The Syndicate

Golf

Thanks for the thoughtful post, MP. As I said, I am more than happy to let the hosts make the call on this whichever way they see fit. I do not feel that I or my team has done anything improper, but if it is judged that way, I will abide by the decision without complaint. I have thoroughly enjoyed this game and the hosts have, in my opinion, done a great job.

Golf

If the hostesses decree that we have violated the rules in any way, I will of course defer to their judgment, but I don't see anything lame or unfair about the the strategy Eurolyn proposed. On the contrary, I think it was an inventive way around certain defeat. I'm sorry you are taking this so hard. We may well still lose, but this was or only hope, and if we do lose I will be happy knowing we did everything we could.

Golf

If you were so concerned with keeping the roles secret, why were you only to happy to call out baddies on whom you had info? You're allowed to out baddies, but we're not?

It's not sour grapes in the least, it's called strategy. It was plain that the civvies knew all the remaining roles and outnumbered us, so we had two choices, either roll over and allow ourselvs to die, or keep fighting to win. Explain what rule was broken.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:
Fane Winebattle wrote:
Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:Anyone except one of us. I do not know who has what role right now as far as the civs go, but obviously getting rid of the ability to block would be great, but I'm clue free there. I will not go after any of you, you do not go after me until the civs are sufficiently depleted and you can win. You should know, I cannot be night killed so don't waste a kill on me in case you are considering betraying our alliance. My kill will be blocked each night I am sure but perhaps you all can manage to do some damage on that front. I still have some tricks up my sleeve to help out. The only important thing is that we do not go after each other first. Numbers are key here.
Well, I nominate Orangesprite then, as he has been howling for my blood for days and it's starting to annoy me.
I annoyed you by playing fairly? I knew you were bad through game machanics and called you out? If you need to win so badly that this is how you need to do it, congrats.

Wear that banner with pride.

I don't have any problem with how you've played the game, but I fail to see why it's "unfair" for me to form an allieance with Euro rather than meekly allow ourselves to be voted off.

Golf

Right then, I'm voting Miyuki, whose talk of weather has me weirded out.

Golf

EBWOP: She, not he. Sorry Orangesprite.

Golf

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:Anyone except one of us. I do not know who has what role right now as far as the civs go, but obviously getting rid of the ability to block would be great, but I'm clue free there. I will not go after any of you, you do not go after me until the civs are sufficiently depleted and you can win. You should know, I cannot be night killed so don't waste a kill on me in case you are considering betraying our alliance. My kill will be blocked each night I am sure but perhaps you all can manage to do some damage on that front. I still have some tricks up my sleeve to help out. The only important thing is that we do not go after each other first. Numbers are key here.

Well, I nominate Orangesprite then, as he has been howling for my blood for days and it's starting to annoy me.

Golf

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:Well interesting things are afoot. Since I have already been outed, Wickeds, I think now is the time we talk. I cannot win this game, we all know that now. I can only delay the inevitable. As such, I propose an alliance. One which will allow you to win, even though I cannot. If I am going to lose, I fully intend to lose big and in such a way that the end result of this game is affected. I doubt you all can win without my help, and I know I can't win either way about it. Want to play ball? I know who you all are, and I am sure the civs all know as well at this point. That is no bluff to pull you out, if one of you is willing to speak freely then let me know if you are up for some "wicked" fun.

I will accept your deal, Eurolyn. Whom do you want to lynch?

Golf

Before you guys vote, I would urge you to take a long, hard look at those players who have been very quiet lately... quietly laughing their way to victory.

Golf

Shand was definitely bad, and Eurolyn is right beside him. I will probably be giving my vote to her today. I don't know why Grutfud has it in for me, when I have been helping kill baddies all game, including the nefarious shand.

Golf

I'm guilty because I'm pulling out all the stops to kill a bad guy, Izett? You'll be sorry when Shand and his gang kill off the rest of you. Sadly, it looks like I won't be around to say I told you so.

Golf

I voted Shand alright. Shand is evil. Mark my words.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:
Fane Winebattle wrote:There's been a lot of "whatever anyone else wants" from Miyuki lately. Just saying.
Thanks.

You are most welcome.

Golf

There's been a lot of "whatever anyone else wants" from Miyuki lately. Just saying.

Golf

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Lyel, my main thought was that if a rezz had been town-driven, gobnait would have been rezzed. Since a quiet player of unknown affiliation was rezzed, it looks pretty mafia-driven. Have you any thoughts you can add to the game, that will make you seem more trust-worthy? You have been alive long enough now to have formed some opinions, yes?

This is sound reasoning, and why I think Lyel is one of the bad ones left, unless he somehow rezzed himself, but I don't see how that could be possible.

Golf

I voted Magician as well.

Golf

Izett Cruelsinger wrote: Looks like Orangesprite, Shand, Dierdre & Anchorete were the first 4 to vote Fane.

Yeah, the four most likely to be baddies out to kill poor old innocent Fane. I still don't understand why you think this humble dwarf is so bad. Grutfud's case seems to be built entirely on the fact that I was suspicious of Lyel and then became less so. I defy you to find any player whose suspicions don't change as the game progresses. Yet everyone is following Grutfud like lemmings to the sea.

Golf

Yay I'm still alive! Thank goodness for potions, eh?

You guys, seriously. I'm not bad. I hope I can make you see that before the end of the next day period.

Golf

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:Ok, finished a few more rereads. Fane gives me the willies. I'll say that. It would not shock me if s/he were on one of the remaining baddie teams.

Orangesprite I could really go either way on. There is nothing glaringly obviously baddie there that I saw, and there was definitely some helpful posts. For now, I'm ok there.

Izett, I have been sticking up for your civvieness for some time now. I would urge you not to blindly trust Orangesprite as everyone else seems to be doing. I don't know what she thinks she knows, but info can be bad and people can be good liars.

Anyway, I am not going to be around this afternoon, so I will go ahead and vote. I'm voting Shand. I am convinced that he is bad, and if others will vote with me, I'm confident they will see my suspicions confirmed.

Golf

Ugh, I'm going to bed. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in the morning and people will see Grutfud's sudden fixation on me for what it really is.

Golf

I really think Izett is civ, Anchorette, and you have been awfully aggressive lately. It reminds me of Queran just before he was finally killed, and smacks of desperation.

Golf

Shand Azureye wrote:
Fane Winebattle wrote:It is possible that I am wrong. That is always possible. But as far as I know, the town doesn't have BTSC or any real way of knowing your alliance. I know I don't. So this seems less likely to me than the three wickeds sticking up for you while a few townies have just been shy about giving opinions in general.
So three wickeds are sticking up for me, and what does that make me then, the fourth wicked?

Well, you didn't group yourself in with the townies in your earlier post, so I was just following your model.

Golf

Shand Azureye wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:I don't believe Shand is wicked.
And I, good sir, feel comfortable saying the same about you.

Fane, what are your thoughts on Anchorete?

Well, her pursuit of you makes me like her, but her pursuit of Izett really puzzles me. It does feel a bit like an attempt at misdirection. The talk of her refusing to be quiet during the day period would carry a lot more weight if there were any of Rumple's team left, though. Frankly, she might well be bad, but I haven't made up my mind yet.

Golf

Shand Azureye wrote:
Fane Winebattle wrote:
Anchorete Playfulure wrote:My best guess right now is that Shand is a wicked one with his team backing him up silently, and Eurolyn might be an SK.
There are nine of us alive at this point. Of those, two have responded to your suspicions of me. One (Anchorete) has been even more persistent than you, and the second (Eurolyvn) reads me as civvie. Other than you and me, that leaves five players. Do you know what team in the game is the most likely to have five players? That's right, the town. Maybe a re-read of the townie roles is in order? You've played brilliantly so far, but perhaps you failed to take some things into account.

It is possible that I am wrong. That is always possible. But as far as I know, the town doesn't have BTSC or any real way of knowing your alliance. I know I don't. So this seems less likely to me than the three wickeds sticking up for you while a few townies have just been shy about giving opinions in general.

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:I don't believe Shand is wicked.

Well, you believe I am bad, which I am not, so forgive me if I don't wholly trust your judgement.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:
Fane Winebattle wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:I don't think we should necessarily discount what carmen said completely but we also shouldn't pit all our faith in rumplestiltskin. That being said. I think we should lynch fane.
Hold up a second. I don't like this bandwagon that's forming against me. First Grutfud lays out a perfectly logical case for Lyel's resurrection being a sign of his baddieness, and then all of a sudden he wants to lynch me with no explanation?

I'm sorry, but this seems like a set up to me. There is, in my view, substantial evidence that several other players might be bad, but just because Grutfud says so everyone is willing to hop aboard a Fane lynch? This makes no sense to me, and I hope others will not be suckered into what is likely a baddie bandwagon against me.
Last day period I asked you if you still wanted to lynch Lyle and you hemmed and hawed something awful. You danced around my question and ended with yea how about that Shand and, was it Izett? Made me do a reread. I feel most sure that today's the day to lynch you.

He was your suspect early on when he was not posting AT ALL. Right? But then when he woke up (was replaced) you let him off the hook. However his behavior didnt really change but you couldn't explain why you let go of it? What was up there? Distancing? Recruiting? Then no mention of substance when he was rezzed? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

I frequently have early suspicions based on minor pings that become less relevant as the game progresses and more substantial evidence comes to light. Based on the way the game has turned, with more people being active and more voting records to go off of, someone being a bit quiet doesn't seem as suspicious to me as it did in the first couple of days. I did say that I agree that the rez looks bad, and I would agree to a Lyel lynch today if others agree. Right now my prime suspect is Shand, however.

Golf

Anchorete Playfulure wrote: So no one has an opinion on Izett, Euro or Shand?

I read Izett as civ. She has been blendy, it's true. But a lot of civs are blendy.

I was reading Euro as bad, but since you and her have been the only one's responding to my question of hand, I at least don't think she's on his team.

My best guess right now is that Shand is a wicked one with his team backing him up silently, and Eurolyn might be an SK.

Golf

Shane is questioning me for my persistence about asking for opinions of him, so I'd like to explain that.

I asked for everyone's opinions on him a while back just because he was one of the few people who had not received much scrutiny. No one replied, and to me, this was noteworthy. I later asked again and still, no replied. I found this noteworthy too.

Finally, I asked a third time and this time Eurolyn and Anchorette replied, but no one else did. Even though Shane has done a masterful job at being helpful and seeming innocuous, the only reason I can think of why people would be unwilling to talk about him is if he has teammates who think he stands a better chance of surviving the less he is mentioned. I'm going to hold my vote for now, since I may need it to protect myself, but I'm willing to state that unless something changes I will be voting for Shand.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:I don't think we should necessarily discount what carmen said completely but we also shouldn't pit all our faith in rumplestiltskin. That being said. I think we should lynch fane.

Hold up a second. I don't like this bandwagon that's forming against me. First Grutfud lays out a perfectly logical case for Lyel's resurrection being a sign of his baddieness, and then all of a sudden he wants to lynch me with no explanation?

I'm sorry, but this seems like a set up to me. There is, in my view, substantial evidence that several other players might be bad, but just because Grutfud says so everyone is willing to hop aboard a Fane lynch? This makes no sense to me, and I hope others will not be suckered into what is likely a baddie bandwagon against me.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:
Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:I believe the night should be over so I feel a bit safer talking right now. I think it is interesting that three people have been bringing me up all at the same time. One of which was rezzed in what I would bet was likely an attempt to rebalance for a team after a host mistake. Another of which has already had what appeared to be a slip up that may have indicated his having BTSC which I have been talking about from the start. I doubt these three talking about me now at the same time are a coincidence. It just confirms to me what I have already suspected. How am I blendy when all along I have been talking about Fane when no one else has? How is it blendy that I have gone along with the Carmen lynch because I believed her to be on Rumple's team? I think you need to take a look at those who are coming after me and ask yourself why now all of a sudden are three people coming at me at once? I will likely be voting for Fane in the next lynch poll because I believe wholeheartedly that he is bad.
I think that rezz is as dirty as a $3 wh...well I think its filthy. Why would anyone rezz Lyle unless he was bad? I can't think of any good reason. I have no idea which team he is one but I'd sure bet he's on one of them.

You were brave to say it before the post went up. I was itching to do it, but I'm a coward.

I am out of town right now and have less time for mafia than I usually do, so I am just catching up on things now.

I agree that this looks mighty strange. I am not aware of anyone with rez powers, so I'm not quite sure how it happened, but there don't seem many possibilities for it unless he is bad. It makes me think my initial read of him was probably right.

Golf

Actually, Shand, I read your posts as being quite civvie. It is other people's behavior when talking (or rather not talking) about you that made me look twice. Given the number of baddies left, I think we have some good liars among us, and I have to go by more than just reads.

Golf

Thanks for posting those killing, Izett. I guess I haven't been very good at keeping track of them. So at the very least we have two baddies left to kill, probably more. I've asked twice, but still no one has been willing to give an opinion of Shand which makes me suspect him, and I feel like Eurolyn has been acting a bit strange. I will have to do a little more rereading before the day period, but I welcome anyone else's thoughts.

Golf

Oh that's right. I forgot about that. In that case, I think it indicates that we should be looking for less active players, unmotivated to send in night kill PMs, don't you? I feel like they've been lurking in the shadows and picking us off like sitting ducks.

Golf

Come to think of it, we haven't seen a second NK from the SKs for a while now have we? Last night there was no kill at all. Is it possible Snow White and Rose Red are already dead?

Golf

I think I will drink the potion. Glory to the brave, right?

Golf

Hooray! BIH Carmen. Now I guess we just have to find the Wicked Ones, and maybe Snow White and Rose Red. I'm unsure if we can win with them or not.

Golf

Carmen

Golf

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:
Roxy wrote:I am very sorry for mistakes I have made this game. Please if you were affected accept my most deepest apologies.

That said- How would everyone alive like to be declared a winner?
You are the host, we play at your sufferance, if you are having fun and want to keep going, that is what I want to do.

If the funny has been killed, and you are done, then that is what I want to do.

<3 whatever you uultimately decide

Pretty much this. I am having fun and would be happy to continue, but if you feel for whatever reason that the game needs to end, I am fine with that.

Golf

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:i must have missed something.

I find myself somewhat confused as well.

Golf

I am voting Sleeping Beauty based on the Disney film, with one of the best, darkest villains and a beautiful score by Tchaikovsky.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:In fact, read the nixies role description. I believe there is no doubt Carmen is rumple now...

Ah, I didn't see that. You are right. Okay, let's do it.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:Since laine was a rumple role I would bet that rumple can't die until his teammates are dead. I think the best thing to do is have a silent day and lynch Carmen. Does anyone else have other thoughts?

We could try again, and I would go along with that, but it makes me nervous since we have tried so many times and failed. I hate to waste another lynch.

Golf

I just looked over Shand and his posts read extremely civvie. The only thing odd I noticed was that his voting has been extremely scattershot, jumping around to a lot of different players, which is something I've seen baddies do before. Whoever they are this time, they are doing a great job of hiding it because I am sincerely stumped about who to vote for tomorrow.

Golf

I am now thinking that Carmen must be an unlynchable (at least for now) Indie role. Rumplestiltskin wouldn't have switched the vote to his own teammate, even if he had the votes to switch, which I doubt.

Which means, I guess thta we have to concentrate our energies elsewhere. The back and forth between Anchorette and Miyuki is interesting, but I'm not sure I'm convinced, as Miyuki has seemed pretty helpful all game. Then again, that is perfect cover for a baddie. I still want to get people's thoughts on Shand, as he is the only one who has not really been discussed and I was ignored last time I asked about him. I will reread him today as well.

Golf

I vote 24/24 because I am an impatient dwarf and these (mostly) silent days are killing me.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:It appears that Carmen has not voted yet.

Yes, you are right. My apologies. I counted ten votes and ten players, but failed to notice one of the votes is not from a player.

Golf

Everyone has voted. Can we end the day early? There is not likely to be much discussion anyway due to certain bad powers.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote: Of those three, you are right, the only one that's gotten any heat has been Lyle. Can you expound some on your suspicions of him from earlier in the game? I don't really see much of a difference from v. 1.0 to 2.0 to warrant a change in opinion. But since you saw something at one point, maybe its worth looking into.

That being said, I agree that I think Carmen will go tomorrow.

It's been so long, I had to go back and look.

I think my original suspicion of him came from the fact that he kept offering different explanations for his absence, and this struck me as strange. When he was replaced, I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if the new Lyel did anything to arouse my suspicions. You're right, he has been quiet, but he hasn't done anything particularly ping-worthy. Since no one else picked up on my initial suspicions, I decided that I must have had tunnel vision about him and was willing to chalk up his oddness to the personal problems he was dealing with.

That is where I am coming from. Of course, he might still be bad and he's worth looking at in more depth. I would also like to get people's opinions on Shand, since he really hasn't been the subject of discussion yet.

Golf

I am hiding in the closet as I believe my dwarven stature will allow me to go undetected amongst the coats.

Golf

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote: You don't really seem to be giving any reasons to lean Izett, just saying her name as a potential candidate. Why not Lyle, who you were suspecting for some time? What has the new Lyle done that has made you so strongly change your tune? I hardly even notice he's playing. I would think your former suspicion of him would be more than a minor ping of Izett?

Let me be clear on this. I am not pinged by Izett. I merely said that I had no read on her and that she seemed blendy. Lyel has been similar as well, and I am open to him as a second choice as well. I wanted to bring up Izett however, because there has not been any discussion of her yet and I wanted to get people's thoughts. It seems now that she has a lot of defenders, which is fine.

I think Miyuki is acting very civ, and has been quite helpful. Eurolyn has had a post compulsion, as have I, Diedre was attempting to warn us. I read Orangesprite as very civ. Anchorette, I think, has made some useful contributions. That leaves Laine, who has already been talked about a bit, Shand, Izett and Lyel. Of those, Shand and Izett are the only ones who have not received significant scrutiny (since I talked about Lyel a lot earlier and no one seemed interested in it then) so I thought I would try to change that.

Golf

Izett Cruelsinger wrote: Well now I'm confused. If you wouldn't be opposed to me as a second choice... and the point of the second choice is so that person dies if the first choice doesn't go through... doesn't that mean you aren't opposed to lynching me?

I don't WANT to lynch you. The only person I WANT to lynch right now is Carmen, because she's the only one I'm sure of. I suggested you as a second choice (which I don't think we need or will be relevant) because out of all the remaining people I have the least sense of whether you are good or not. So if we have to put someone as a second choice, I wouldn't be opposed to it being you, but I certainly wouldn't vote for you while Carmen lives. This is more of a process of elimination than anything else. Whom would you suggest for the second choice? I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions.

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