The Syndicate

Congrats civvs!!! And who was everybody? I've been dying to know who everyone is both behind the puppet and their role. MP, who were you?

Epi c'mon I'm dying here.

yes everyone.

I just cast my vote for Rahab. I couldn't sleep last night thinking about what if I vote the wrong way and the baddies win. All those people I'd let down. If we win this we win it on the backs of people like Absalom, Balaam, Stephen, Samuel, Lazarus and many more who steered the thread in the right direction or made sacrifices that got them killed. They aren't the only ones. Almost every civ did something to advance the game to this point. If we lose the game I don't know what to tell you except you don't deserve the loss. At the end of the day it's Lot and I who made this final vote and I think I can speak for him when I say we take the responsibility if it goes wrong. Pilate and Rahab, whichever of you is bad played a phenomenal game.

Oh Pilate I missed that you had already voted so it's just Lot I want to hear from and I think he's thinking the same thing I am from his posts.

Now for Rachel:

1. I'm voting Uzziah now. Pilate has been sketchy AF all game, but his point against him was good.
2. I'm gonna ask, Pilate, if you want to try and build a case on me, that you present reasons. I am a civvie and you are doing nothing to help the civvies by blindly saying "LYNCH RACHEL!!!" because you don't want to keep up with the game.
3. References 3 posts Pilate made about her and says: This wording seems awfully specific. Don't you think? I don't know if it makes Pilate bad, but I'm certainly unsure of what he is doing.

Again, there was not much there about Pilate or Rahab. I'm getting discouraged about finding any cases on either one of them. I'm thinking I'm going to just go with what I think and that's Rahab. I won't do anything until I hear from you Lot and Pilate I would assume that is the way you would vote too.

Ok next is Jepth - not sure if he was alive long enough but maybe there will be something:

1. I didn't like Pilate's vote with Absalom who he supposedly thought is bad. But he voted Uzziah first, two times. That makes him look pretty good.
2. The next non Ruth vote is Pilate who voted for Absalom. Yeah, it can be an attempt for a save, but if it is, why not find a reason to vote Rachel too, to make this closer? Still, Ruth has only 2 votes at that point, so it's an open game.

Again, not much at all. No focus whatsoever on either Pilate or Rahab. Also, I forgot to mention in the last one I did there was also no focus at any time one either one. I am more convinced as I go along that neither of these two were very suspicious during the early and middle part of the game.

Also Rahab and Pilate I agree with what Lot just said. This is nerve wracking thanks to how good you guys are.

Not much from Isaac, but here's what I found:
1. I set a trap and it looks like the 2 remaining Heathens took the bait. I'm voting Belsh now. Rahab should be considered for the next lynch.
2. I will also be keeping an eye on Pilate's voting style (not necessarily his pattern :P ). I haven't been a big fan of his, but for now
3. Also, Pilate's latest post feels like a major gambit. The wifom is strong with this one. hooooooo purhhhhhhh. (Pilates response to Uzziah saying Pilate is good)
4. This ^ I don't like the way that Pilate's been voting at all. Could just be me, though. I half agree with Deborah saying that he could be neutral. But voting Pilate just because is sooooo tempting.
5. I simply didn't like the way Pilate voted or the substance of his posts during and after his vote. I even stated so (albeit sarcastically) in the same post.

I should have said this in the first place but I go backwards through the posts so the most recent is on top.

There was so little from absalom about either one (pilate or rahab) that I'm just listing the comments. First comment is mine, rest are absolam.

1. Rahab was the last person Absalom voted (as a gut vote) before Absalom died.
2. A part of me thinks Rahab might be an exceptionally devious baddie who managed to voet for her teammate three times at more or less safe points. It's always the quiet ones.
3. Pilate is unimpeachable.
4. Pilate is frustrating in his unwillingness to actually do anything constructive.
5. Responds to Pilate when Pilate thinks absalom is uzziah's teammate.

There was no focus on either of them.

This is the second one where there is no focus on pilate or rehab. I'm starting to think the focus on them was all toward the end. Maybe instead of doing Rachel next I'll pick someone who was still alive near the end.

I re-read Balaam and he did not focus on Pilate or Rahab. They get mentioned in his lists but he was suspicious of other people. Here are the two entries from the last list he did which is the most he said about either of them:

PILATE:
Takes Uzziah at his word D1 and votes for him. Misses D2 & D3. Votes Rachel right out of the gate D4. Votes Uzziah right out of the gate D5. Votes Absalom D6, giving people another alternative to Ruth. Unswayed by the Jeph distraction D7 and votes Jonathan. First vote for Jonathan D8. Puts Mordecai 1 vote into the lead D9. I wouldn't call him unimpeachable but he's a lot like Absalom. If he's Heathen, he's done a masterful job and it had been a pleasure watching him work.

RAHAB:
Convenient late-D1 vote for Uzziah. Her D2 vote puts Cain way out into the lead (now up to a 4-vote lead over Uzziah). Ballsy vote (for a Heathen) D3- brings Uzz to within 1 vote of Mary. Follows Mordecai in voting for Laz D4. The 7th vote for Uzziah D5- making it all but impossible for Jeph to catch up. Weird Pilate vote D6. Weird but consistent Pilate vote D7. Sticks with Jacob as more sus D8. Her D9 vote puts Isaac into the lead over Mordecai. Feeling good but not ready to friend her on Facebook just yet.

Now on to Absalom. I dreaded doing he and Balaam becasue their post count is too high.

Lot, based on what I've read since the lynch I too am leaning toward Rahab.

Lot! You're so far ahead of me! I have some things I need to do tonight still so i can't start looking at the non heathen until morning. I could possibly stay up later but then I'd just sleep later which would get me off to a late start. So I'm going to keep my normal schedule and start this in the morning.

i have to fix some dinner now but I'll be here while I eat.

Yes, thats a good idea. I will look through the non-heathens and see if anyone made a case or some hard points against either Pilate or Rahab (I know Samuel for example has some hard points somewhere). I'm hoping Pilate and Rahab make this easier by contributing their own view as to why we should vote the other one.

Lot do you remember anyone building cases on either Pilate or Rahab?

I also think it looks good for Pilate that Esther voted for him and it looked like Rahab was wound up to vote for him but voted Esther in the end because she was gone anyway and he thought it might help his cred. (that last part was conjecture taken from the facts)

That's a great deduction Lot. I guess I will start by looking at the two candidates day 9 through the end votes.

RIP Samuel. I was surprised to see you go but I know you said you expected it. You played a great game.

Judas, you too are playing a great game. I sure hope we get you today.

Lot, this could be a lot worse. We could be in a situation where we had not one person we could trust.

Thank you Lot!

I don't really have much to say before the NK except I have an open mind to Rahab and Pilate. What they have to say today and tomorrow will help me with my decision.

Oh no! Why did Laz die? But on the other side woohoo! We got us a heathen!!!! It just feels a little less joyful that Laz went too. RIP Laz.

Since both Samuel and Pilate have checked in I'm voting for Esther.

Lot, if Samuel will vote for Esther then I'm sure Pilate would vote for her and we'll be 3-2. And we just might be looking at the three civs vs. the two heathens (this doesn't count you and Laz but obviously you two are civs too).

Samuel, who are you planning on voting for? I think you have the key vote in this lynch. I'm likely to vote Esther but I want to see what you are going to do.

Lot, thank you for doing the voting analyses and I can see right away why Esther stands out on your list. Esther got mad at me for asking questions of her but later apologized and asked if we could be buddies. I thought that was kind of odd at the time but I'm nothing if not a sucker for emotional appeals. In hindsight, if I were a baddie I'd like as few people to not like me as possible. I'd like to re-read her today just because I like to have the complete picture in my head, but your vote analysis is very compelling. And I agree that we (not including you)have to vote together.

Lot wrote:

Bathsheba wrote:Lot, could you tell me why you have me so high on your suspicion list? I know you are going to look at the votes and I think you'll find mine to reflect my civvie status but I'd like to know what I've done or said that puts me high on your list.

Every single person left in the game is a person I've trusted at one point or another, and everyone (I think) has some legitimate things they can point to for why they are civilian. Someone has to be bad. The ranking reflects how confident I am in my former reads of people.

Ok, just let me know if there are any questions I can answer.

Lot, could you tell me why you have me so high on your suspicion list? I know you are going to look at the votes and I think you'll find mine to reflect my civvie status but I'd like to know what I've done or said that puts me high on your list.

Ohhhhh noooooo! What happened? RIP Stephen and Jacob. WTF.

Jacob wrote:Also I thought Judah or someone was modkilled already?
Judah's info on the front page says "smote by the Lord" so I thought that's what happened

Maybe Epi has changed his tune when it comes to modkills, cause you're right - that sounds like a modkill.

Samuel, why do you think Lot and Lazarus are voting for each other? And I agree with you on the Epi not modkilling people thing but I don't know how to explain what happened to Malchus.

FYI, I won't have much to say during this night period but i am keeping up.

Pilate wrote:

Bathsheba wrote:

Pilate wrote:

Bathsheba wrote:No, I don't believe Lot is Simon. I think you've misunderstood something along the way. Lazarus would likely be dead if Lot was Simon. I don't know that I can say who simon is though. I thought everyone knew. And it's obvious why they vote for each other.

Nope, I don't know who Simon is. I haven't paid much attention to the voting records. Why do they vote for each other? I'm missing the obvious.

I think many of us speculate they are being forced to vote for each other.

I have seen that speculation. How would that happen? A Horseman secret? They have to vote each other... forever??

So Malchus was Modkilled for nonparticipation then, and used Phinehas' spear to both kill him and reveal to us that Rachel was Phinehas?

A horseman is what I would speculate and I don't know what the curse is exactly but it seems to be a long time.

I'm not sure if thats why Malchus was killed or not but it makes sense.

Pilate wrote:

Bathsheba wrote:No, I don't believe Lot is Simon. I think you've misunderstood something along the way. Lazarus would likely be dead if Lot was Simon. I don't know that I can say who simon is though. I thought everyone knew. And it's obvious why they vote for each other.

Nope, I don't know who Simon is. I haven't paid much attention to the voting records. Why do they vote for each other? I'm missing the obvious.

I think many of us speculate they are being forced to vote for each other.

No, I don't believe Lot is Simon. I think you've misunderstood something along the way. Lazarus would likely be dead if Lot was Simon. I don't know that I can say who simon is though. I thought everyone knew. And it's obvious why they vote for each other.

And if I've misunderstood it I need to understand it. I thought it was due to some votes.

I was answering Pilates first question for me up there ^.

Mostly because Lot vouches for Stephen. And Pilate, I would need to understand how you were unimpeachable but now are not before voting you. I think that will be a discussion point tomorrow.

I hear you Stephen and I agree on everything you just said. (Though I can't vouch for anyone I believe your vouches and agree on Jacob and of course me). I'm ready to stay united on whatever direction we go.

I felt certain Rebecca was bad but it appears she was not. RIP Rebecca. And I'm glad Malchus is gone but I wish I knew who he was.

I think I'm voting for 24 hour days but I want to hear some opinions on it before I vote.

Thanks TGG - I knew the "A" at least.

Ok, I see everyone is arriving and thinking it's time we voted for Rebecca. Haven't heard anyone say we should consider someone else so my vote is going in now.

Jacob in the first Bible jeopardy the participants all were disguised so we know Anon (I think it was Anon) won but we didn't know who that was. How do you know who it was? Did they eventually announce the winner and I just missed it?

Also I am ready to vote for Rebecca. I'll check the voting to see if we have enough of a consensus that we've started voting yet.

Just taking another look at the votes, Rebecca has not voted one baddie the whole game. And yes, I'm in on Rebecca.

EBWOP: I meant to say Rebecca not Deborah.

I agree with you about Deborah Stephen. I notice that she didn't post between May 21st where she voted Jeph and today June 7th except to step in and vote Isaac twice. On the 7th of course she voted Lot. I think this is baddie play, stay out of the conversation and contribute some votes to the cause. I could see her teammates convincing her to come out and vote for what could be the most important lynch in the game. By the way, she had other gaps in her posting this was just the most pronounced.

Well I guess I will vote for Jeph for the game.

Oh no wait I misunderstood. Never mind the question. I need more coffee.

Stephen wrote:My guess is that Pilate is Judas. Call it a gut thing. If you think about Pilate's behavior all game, it seems most likely to me explained by civilian who can betray at some point type of play.

Stephen you did say in a post above that it was Pilate and Rebecca that looked terrible out of this lynch and you would probably vote one of them. Is the thought you express here after a little more reflection and mean Rebecca really looks like your lynch candidate today?

I couldn't tell who died but hooray it was Deborah. You played a good game Deborah, always putting us off with your "Behind and I need to catch up". You'll just never be able to use that excuse again. Now we just have one more to get. Problem is there is still too much choice.

I re-read Deborah and looked at her votes again and I'm going to take Lot and Stephen's advice to vote for Deborah.

Samuel, I misremembered what you said. I just looked it up and it was: "No. You all have already decided to lynch me so do it. Then see how badly you have played this game. The mafia deserve to win frankly. I'm done talking."

I don't know that we are talking about the same question anymore. What I'm talking about was my question about why you found me suspicious. The answer post was something to the effect of "No. I'm not going to let you guys get me to say something to bait me." That is paraphrased from memory. I never did see an answer as to why you found me suspicious so if you answered it later I just missed it. If so, my apologies. At any rate i said before I don't suspect you and I still don't.

Samuel wrote:
Regarding Esther I am open to discussion on, since she and bathsheba were two who parroted the incorrect statement that I had not answered the question.

This does not make me see Esther as bad because I still don't think you answered the questions that were asked. Instead you refused to answer saying we were trying to bait you. I was only asking two questions and even though I told you I didn't suspect you at the time your answer was defensive and unhelpful.

RIP Absalom. I can't say I'm surprised because if you weren't heathen they had to get you out of here right away because your instincts are so good and people follow you. Jonah goodbye as well and RIP.

Pilate I don't understand where your belief that Lot is bad comes from. You say it's not his vote records so it must be the things he does and says. You listed as an example him mentioning Isaac trying to gain civ cred because he probably is bad and knew isaac was good. What else you got? It doesn't seem like that's really enough to call someone a heathen. It may raise a flag but you used it as the only example I can find of why you voted him. I may have missed some earlier things, sorry if you have to repeat yourself.

Stephen, Esther has also been pinging me but it seems to boil down for the most part to her not carefully reading the thread and missing things that she then comes at people about. What are you seeing in her?