The Syndicate

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Ok, the bronwyn account is cleaned of all pms. That was all we were supposed to do right?

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DharmaHelper wrote:What did I do to Bronwyn? I forget :P

Right DH.

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Oh, and hosts, I think you know already that I loved, loved, loved the game. and Oh Epig, i forgot i was logged on as her - I am juliets.

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Queran - DH - I'm going to get you back some day for what you did to me! I was Bronwyn Mightyfeet. Timmer, I would have never had guessed that was you. My first three checks by the way were Carmen, Queran, and Rhinfrew.

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You can do it civvs! Bye everyone!

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So we are moving toward the end of the time where we can talk. Is there anything else we need to discuss? And i agree with not using the word vote when we put up the name of the person we're voting for.

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I vote for silence. And like I said, if I'm not here for night end know that i will go with the majority (which I hope is everyone except maybe Rumples team) on the vote.

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I was thinking of all days when I suggested smilies for common words since they would not have to be changed every night. But if we continue this method it could work as well.

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But if we decide the code at night Rumpel can just use one of the words we decide on since he picks the word at night, unless you had something else in mind.

Oh, I just thought of something. Rumpel has to pick a word. What if we substitute smilie faces for some of the more common words we want to use like civvs, baddies, vote, suspicion, etc.

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Ameerah I think you make a great point. I also want to point out that I was pinged by this Queran post below. It sounds like he's trying to distance himself from Carmen, trying to say I really want to vote for her but since I made a case against Gob I better vote for him. He could have voted Carmen, saying he was leaving Gob for another day but he didn't. All in all the post was odd and has caused another crick in my brow.

If the majority want a Queran post instead of a Carmen one I can roll with that because he is second on my list.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:I'd feel like a tool if I didn't vote for Gob, so I will do that. I will also offer my thoughts on Carmen however:

My failed theory that she was a baddie connected to Mainchin did not pan out, and her role hinting had given me pause in terms of voting her in the past, however she denies having role hinted, so that scratches that.

Whether she was saved or not is irrelevant in my opinion, Rumplestiltskin and Friends could have chosen to save a civvie just as easily as they might have saved one of their own, as evident by the Finnian lynches. I feel like I'm having difficulty putting what I think about this down in words, but what I'm trying to say is that Given the scope of Rumple's power, and the results of the Finnian lynches, it's not possible to determine legitimate saves vs. confusion causing saves.

HOWEVER: That being said, the way Carmen has been posting recently has set off more than a few bells in my brain. The tone/content of the posts reads almost as a sort of ingenuine "Oh my gosh I had noooo IDEA you guys thought I was hinting that is SOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY!"

So in summary, I can see the suspicion of Carmen, as Carmen a few days ago sounds completely different than Carmen does right now, but I made a big post and a big case on Gobnait and would be foolish not to put my money where my mouth is.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:We are doing terribly so far, so I think a change of tactics is indeed in order. Thanks to Shand for his wise words about only speaking at night. I think we should definitely do that.

I know that many disagree, but I also think it is imperative that we try to be as unanimous as possible for the lynch votes to lessen the odds of stealing. Let's figure out who we want to lynch TONIGHT and all stick with it. Do people think the Gobnait lynch implicates Queran strongly? I am not wholly convinced of that, but want to hear what others have to say. Diedre makes an interesting observation about Carmen being possible unlynchable, but my gut tells me that this was still a Rumpy protection. He would only have needed to move four votes. So I would be good for another shot at Carmen if people agree. Most important, though, is that we work together on this and not let the baddies sow confusion and doubt so that we have scattered votes all over the place.

BTW, I voted Grimm's because, as others have said, they are dark, but also because of the sheer absurdity and lack of moralizing in so many of them,like the one about anthropomorphic sausages.

I just want to say I agree with you Fane. I don't think Carmen is unlynchable either, I think we've just provided Rumpel with the words he's needed to get the votes to move. The way to solve that is to make sure we don't give him the word, so trying to do all of the talking at night appeals to me. I also would vote Carmen if we can get everyone to agree - well, we might not be able to get the baddies to agree but they would risk being exposed if they won't. I'm open to talk about others too but I'm going to be out most of today and tomorrow I'll be on my phone again so I'll be mostly reading along.

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Voting Grimm - I like my fairy tales dark.

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Damn. Once again she is saved. RIP Gobnait, and goodbye princess and the pea damnit.

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I am going to have to go ahead and make my choice because i am not sure when I'll be back today. I don't think it's any surprise I'm choosing Carmen. As I've stated before, her comment noticing that Fane chose the wrong person just sticks in my side like a thorn. I was filling in a spreadsheet and didn't even notice because I was too busy trying to make sure I knew who I had to chose among.

I also think that first set of choices Rumpel did rescue Carmen by moving choices to someone else and then when the Finnian distrust arose the choices were changed on the next set of choices to frame Finnian. In short, I think the first one was real and the second was a frame-up so that people would look at it and do just what they are doing now - saying since Finnian was not abominable then Carmen probably isn't either. I'm convinced this was a well done distraction away from Carmen.

Finally, Carmen denies all hints that people think she was giving. That takes away the slight pause I had when I did not choose her and chose Finnian instead.

*Chooses Carmen*

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Gobnait and Queran, your positions were both well reasoned but I need more time than I've got left during this bright time to think through each one. Gobnait, I don't see your point about Queran's tallies for civvs 4 or 5 times as all that relevant because of two things: one, not counting the dead people there are 9 people who have not casted their choice one or more times. Were they avoiding casting their choice because they did not want to give themselves away or for some other reason? I don't know but I'm suspicious. Also, there are people we just don't know about yet that could be good or bad that people have casted choices for. Either of these things could lead to many more people who could have casted choices for civvs 4 or 5 times. Aside from this point though I found your arguments compelling.

I agree with Fane though this round. I'm not sure about either one of you at the moment, could be both abominables, both admirables, or one of each. I have to vote today in just a bit and I think -unless something I hadn't anticipated comes up in the next little while - I'm going with my long held distrust of Carmen. Queran and Gobnait, your positions are much appreciated and could well be a factor in my next choice of an abominable.

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Queran, I did misunderstand you, thank you for pointing it out. But suffice it to say Carmen's latest just supports my original views.

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:The only one I can think of, Grutfud, is her initial panic after I brought her up as a suspect drove her to make the flawed case, and after that fell apart, she thought any wiff of backing entirely off would bring suspicion onto her.

But she said she thought it was funny! She didn't seem at all concerned that admitting there wasn't a hint is problematic. As others have said here, this knocks a big hole in her defense.

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Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Ok, if it'll help people I'll put it up. Tomorrow though, since it'll be long and I only have phone access today. As Shand noted, it'll be biased, but I'm ok with that. And Bronwyn, to be more clear I wasn't pinged by your request, which I find totally reasonable and in the spirit of mafia, just by the timing of the request, because it seems to give Rumpelstiltskin and friends a chance to use my words against me, literally

Ok I see. I really thought you would be putting it up in our last sunlight time and then when you didn't, I sure didn't want to ask you to do it during the nocturnal hours as most people do not like to illustrate their position during those hours. That's why I asked during the nocturnal hours if you would do it during this sunlight time. There was no intent to wait until Rumpel could get you.

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Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:RIPIYWG Bac and Etain. I'm pretty sure Bac was, and was starting to lean that way on Etain.

My favorite Grimm character my be the Big Bad Wolf. "The better to eat you with" is one of the all-time great bad guy lines. And his plan, while nonsensical, is sort of brilliant.

Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:Gobsuit, I saw where Queran says he's going to present a case on you today so we can see why he thinks you're suspicious. Will you also layout for us why you are suspicious of him?
I can do this if people want. I have reservations. First, I likely die either way. Either folks believe him and I "win the popularity contest" or he flips bad, everyoje believes I'm civ, and it gets me NKed. Second, why ask me to write a super long and detailed case now, right after Rumplestiltskin comes back into play, after we've had 3 rl sunny periods without him? That super pings me.

That said, if people are set on deciding between the two of us and too lazy or busy to read up themselves, I'll go for it. Anyone else have input on this?

Gobnait, cases are fundamental to the game. Generally, people have thoughts about others and share the reasons for that with others. Then, others either find more evidence or see logic problems with the information presented. This is how we play. My asking you for your case is not ping worthy, it is normal. With that said, don't do anything you are not comfortable with.

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Gobsuit, I saw where Queran says he's going to present a case on you today so we can see why he thinks you're suspicious. Will you also layout for us why you are suspicious of him?

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RIPIYWG Bac and Etain. Bac i was getting a good feeling from you and Etain I hadn't seen anything about you that made me suspicious.

My favorite character was always Rapunzel. I was fascinated as a child with how Rapunzel grew all that hair that would allow people to climb up it. I also liked the way Rapunzel and the Price overcame that nasty witch and lived happily ever after (with those children that appeared before they were married...I was too young to understand).

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Fane Winebattle wrote:
Laine Crystalsteam wrote:Why do you find him shifty?
Because I am a good judge of character, I assume.

But is there something he's said or done to make you feel this way?

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I'm wondering if someone is going to lay out the case against Queran.

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Dallon Redwarlock wrote:What are the thoughts on me? Would anyone care to summarise? If not, and I can understand why, then of course I will read back. But even a link would be nice.

Dallon I dont recall any real talk about you but the way to check is go to advanced search in the upper right hand corner of the screen, put you name in for key words, then select The Current Job to search, then Search. Anything that's been said about you should come up.

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Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:
Thanks Fane. I have been musing a bit on these three as well. There's just so little to go on. I agree that the timing of Dallon rejoining is pingy, but I think for now it's probably wisest to give him a chance to establish a thread presence while looking at candidates I have a better feel for.

I also agree that I would almost feel bad putting Lyel up for lynch because of the difficulties he's mentioned. If he's lying to hide baddieness then it's extremely poor form, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that's the case. However, if it is true I still have no idea whether he's good or bad. Same with Grutfud. I think these baddies have shown they're too powerful and too tricky to take a chance lynching someone we can't read (or slightly better, since baddies now outnumber us, but my point still stands).

What are people's thoughts on leading lynch candidates for tomorrow? I know Carmen has still been getting some attention, but who else do people think is on the chopping block, as it were.

Oh! And as a side note for the folks keeping tally at home, I believe Queran has now voted for 5 straight civs. 4 are confirmed and then 1 vote for me. Just sayin'.

Gobnait, I count 11 civvs and 7 baddies that we know of. What makes you think the baddies now outnumber us? WARNING: Still on my first cup of coffee so may be missing some obvious logic.

Also, I agree with your thoughts on Lyel, Dallon and Grutfud for today.

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Izett Cruelsinger wrote:
Izett Cruelsinger wrote:
Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:
Bac Wunderelin wrote:
And I personally think of two nights/no days as a civvie thing, not a baddie thing. I understand the survival/benefit concept, but this would seriously hurt the baddie team by taking away all night powers, especially Rumps word. I think it would be TOO harmful to the baddies for the hosts to use it in this context. I don't see it being a baddie thing, I see it being a civvie thing. Maybe they tried to kill the wrong person the prior night or something like that. I HAVE seen that done before, and it is a powerful thing, a civvie role that TRIES to draw NKs in order to produce this very effect.
Bac, I'm wondering if you don't mean two days/no night is a civv thing instead of two nights/no days. Two days/no nights is definitely a civv thing as the nights are when the mafia has its chance to kill and theoretically, the days are for the civvs to kill through lynching.

I have not caught on to the suspicion about Ameerah so I will be going back and reading what people have said about her and what she has said. I'm trying to wrap my head around the Finnian thing but I keep coming back to why a baddie team would allow him to not vote thus not be able to use his powers. I think my problem is I don't really understand the argument for him being bad. He was aloof, yes. He didn't vote, yes. But how is that making everyone so sure he is a baddie? Maybe someone will help me out and explain that and I could get comfortable with a vote for him. And yes, I have a suspicion as to who he is as well though I wont know till the end. I still suspect Carmen though I do understand what someone said about giving it a night period and seeing if what should happen does from the hint (I am not at all convinced it is a hint though).

Ok, I have busy days today and tomorrow (my birthday!) but i will be in here to stay caught up and add any thoughts I can.

This one of Bronwyn's pings me too. I may end up doing a reread here.

As of now, I'm still on board with Finian, but I think this may be an area worthy of a little investigating too.

This pings me a bit. It reads as basically poo-pooing (yeah, I said poo-pooing ) theories / ideas / options in the thread while not offering anything. A subtle defense of Ameerah (or not so subtle), a subtle defense of Carmen, and the subtle defense of Finn... which at this point could be read again as "trying to get out in front of something". Now, since I missed the poll (poo ) I'd like to go back and see your vote post and who you voted for. That may make this particular post seem more or less meaningful.

It's not much, but it stuff I noticed, and it pinged me on my first read through. And now you know why.

If you think i am trying to defend Carmen you need to go back and read my posts, especially the two posts where I talked about my theory about Carmen's switch being the real baddie one and Finnians being the distraction. I had that thought before the lynch and I repeated it afterward. I think I'm on record in the thread as being pretty strongly in favor of a Carmen lynch. And as i just said, I have offered something in the thread, the theory I just talked about. Did you read all of my posts? I have been not sure of Finnian for a couple of days and have stated that directly in my posts. I ultimately decided to vote for him because I felt the last lynch was moved away from him but obviously that was not a good reason. The only thing I said about Ameerah here is I haven't noticed anything and will read back on her. I hardly call that a defense - its clearly an "I don't know".

If you would like me to pull quotes about Carmen or Finnian that show how I have felt about these two this game then I will gladly do so.

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Izett Cruelsinger wrote:
Izett Cruelsinger wrote:
Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:
Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:RIP Mainchin.

So if Rumpel was involved in Mainchin's demise, then the word must have been said quite a lot since Finnian had accrued a large number of votes... That's disheartening.
1) RIPIYWG Mainchin and I was leaning good for you though who knows.

2)Yes, I'm afraid we're going to have to be super careful with our words. I have tried but i need to try harder and change synonyms every day. As you say, it had to be a lot of us who said the word in this last day period.

3) I looked back at my "castle" word - it was after we had to pick between castle, grandma's house and the woods. I was making a point to Gobsuite about my kidding about wine at the castle. I looked at Rhinfrew's usage too and it was equally benign in my opinion. I didn't see anyone else who used it on day 2 but maybe i missed someone. I'd encourage everybody to take a look at the posts. Just search for castle under advanced search for current job.

I'm still reading up on the thread, but wanted to stop and mention how much this post of Bronwyn's pings me before I forget.

Ok, more reading.

The section pings me for a few reasons - I think each of the pingy issues by itself wouldn't make me think that much, but grouping them together really did ping me.

1) For starters, Mainchin's role had been revealed, and was revealed to be civ. Throwing in that "but who knows" just feels to me like trying to sew some seeds of doubt, or even just covering your tracks.

2) I just find that an interesting reaction. "We're going to have to be super careful with our words". We know for a fact Rumpy's "magic word" was a word in the night poll... and you were one of the ones who used it! So how exactly would changing out synonyms be helpful in beating this power? This just feels to me like a misleading tactic, an idea designed to keep our focus on what we're saying (word choice) instead of who is doing what in the thread.

3) Here it feels to me like trying to get out in front of something. Getting out in front of the "magic word" usage, and then either a subtle defense of Gob or grouping yourself together in with Gob to seem more benign.

I'm going to start answering this tonight but finish tomorrow.

1) I just flat forgot his role was revealed when I was writing this.

2) So, I'm not sure I understand your point here. We have to change synonyms often or rotate them in some way. For example, we have used the word ballot for vote several if not many times. If i were Rumple I'd think about making that my word of the day. For me, its time to find another synonym for vote. I also want other synonyms for baddie, good, civv, etc. Words that Rumple would not expect me to use. The reason synonyms beat his power is they are words that are alternate words to the ones we regularly use and if we keep changing them he can't simply change his word to our newest synonym. I don't understand why you say "so how exactly would changing out synonyms be helpful in beating this power" - isn't it obvious?

3)I am trying to get out in front of the magic word. I do not want to use the normal words or any of the synonyms that I've been using. I want to change those words so he does not get what he wants. That's what I'm getting out ahead of - his changing his magic words based on the synonyms we've been using.

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I'm thinking of my favorite TV show ever, The Wire, and what stands out there is the characters. They could have been doing anything in the story, it was the characters that made it great. So I'll vote characters.

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Oh gosh Bac you're right. And it took me forever to say that one little thing!

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A sad story. Rest in Peace Finnian the Elf. I don't see Elf listed but I'm assuming by the story the Elf was one of the bonne(French) ones. I like my theory even better now that the Carmen killing-by-day was the one where the abominable ones saved one of their own, then did it again on the next killing-by-day to Finnian, a bonne one, knowing he would draw the killing-by-day decisions. I think the first one was real and the second obviously a sham.

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I believe Izett also mentioned something ping worthy in regards to the genie, but I will search for it later. It is necessary to consider everything Fane v2, as it may catch a baddie later, or it may reveal the genie has the towns best interests in mind.

Izett did say he/she was pinged by two of my posts but I'm a gypsy not genie. (I have asked for her/his explanation regarding why the ping but so far I've not heard anything back).

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I am going to vote for Finnian today.

Though I still think its more likely a baddie would not miss three votes in a row, the lynch yesterday did seem to be moved away from him. I still am suspicious of Carmen and there is a part of me who wonders if moving the lynch away from Finnian was just a way to capitalize on the growing movement against Finnian and take the heat off of Carmen. I won't vote for her today though because she is secondary on most peoples lists until this next night has passed. Finnian did have a lynch moved away from him so I'm looking at that being the deciding fact despite the concern I have above. I'm hopeful that we've found ourselves a baddie. I will be busy most of the day so I'm going ahead and voting now.

*Vote Finnian

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Izett Cruelsinger wrote:
Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:
Bac Wunderelin wrote:
And I personally think of two nights/no days as a civvie thing, not a baddie thing. I understand the survival/benefit concept, but this would seriously hurt the baddie team by taking away all night powers, especially Rumps word. I think it would be TOO harmful to the baddies for the hosts to use it in this context. I don't see it being a baddie thing, I see it being a civvie thing. Maybe they tried to kill the wrong person the prior night or something like that. I HAVE seen that done before, and it is a powerful thing, a civvie role that TRIES to draw NKs in order to produce this very effect.
Bac, I'm wondering if you don't mean two days/no night is a civv thing instead of two nights/no days. Two days/no nights is definitely a civv thing as the nights are when the mafia has its chance to kill and theoretically, the days are for the civvs to kill through lynching.

I have not caught on to the suspicion about Ameerah so I will be going back and reading what people have said about her and what she has said. I'm trying to wrap my head around the Finnian thing but I keep coming back to why a baddie team would allow him to not vote thus not be able to use his powers. I think my problem is I don't really understand the argument for him being bad. He was aloof, yes. He didn't vote, yes. But how is that making everyone so sure he is a baddie? Maybe someone will help me out and explain that and I could get comfortable with a vote for him. And yes, I have a suspicion as to who he is as well though I wont know till the end. I still suspect Carmen though I do understand what someone said about giving it a night period and seeing if what should happen does from the hint (I am not at all convinced it is a hint though).

Ok, I have busy days today and tomorrow (my birthday!) but i will be in here to stay caught up and add any thoughts I can.

This one of Bronwyn's pings me too. I may end up doing a reread here.

As of now, I'm still on board with Finian, but I think this may be an area worthy of a little investigating too.

Izett, you have said two of my posts pinged you. I can't answer you unless you tell me why on each post. I agree, you should re-read me.

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Bac Wunderelin wrote:
And I personally think of two nights/no days as a civvie thing, not a baddie thing. I understand the survival/benefit concept, but this would seriously hurt the baddie team by taking away all night powers, especially Rumps word. I think it would be TOO harmful to the baddies for the hosts to use it in this context. I don't see it being a baddie thing, I see it being a civvie thing. Maybe they tried to kill the wrong person the prior night or something like that. I HAVE seen that done before, and it is a powerful thing, a civvie role that TRIES to draw NKs in order to produce this very effect.

Bac, I'm wondering if you don't mean two days/no night is a civv thing instead of two nights/no days. Two days/no nights is definitely a civv thing as the nights are when the mafia has its chance to kill and theoretically, the days are for the civvs to kill through lynching.

I have not caught on to the suspicion about Ameerah so I will be going back and reading what people have said about her and what she has said. I'm trying to wrap my head around the Finnian thing but I keep coming back to why a baddie team would allow him to not vote thus not be able to use his powers. I think my problem is I don't really understand the argument for him being bad. He was aloof, yes. He didn't vote, yes. But how is that making everyone so sure he is a baddie? Maybe someone will help me out and explain that and I could get comfortable with a vote for him. And yes, I have a suspicion as to who he is as well though I wont know till the end. I still suspect Carmen though I do understand what someone said about giving it a night period and seeing if what should happen does from the hint (I am not at all convinced it is a hint though).

Ok, I have busy days today and tomorrow (my birthday!) but i will be in here to stay caught up and add any thoughts I can.

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I don't know if this has been asked, or made clear. If the magic word is used in a quote, does it also count as a vote for Rumpel to steal?

I assumed so but lets ask:

Hostesses: if we quote someone where they have used the word of the day does our quote count as a separate instance of the word?

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Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:RIP Mainchin.

So if Rumpel was involved in Mainchin's demise, then the word must have been said quite a lot since Finnian had accrued a large number of votes... That's disheartening.

RIPIYWG Mainchin and I was leaning good for you though who knows.

Yes, I'm afraid we're going to have to be super careful with our words. I have tried but i need to try harder and change synonyms every day. As you say, it had to be a lot of us who said the word in this last day period.

I looked back at my "castle" word - it was after we had to pick between castle, grandma's house and the woods. I was making a point to Gobsuite about my kidding about wine at the castle. I looked at Rhinfrew's usage too and it was equally benign in my opinion. I didn't see anyone else who used it on day 2 but maybe i missed someone. I'd encourage everybody to take a look at the posts. Just search for castle under advanced search for current job.

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I have to cast a ballot now because i have other things to do and so I'm casting a ballot for Carmen. I think that she was able, with the help of her team, to move the lynch to Bac. I also think Bac spotted a slip by Carmen and they wanted to get rid of Bac before she made any more of it. Then her comment about what Bac said being "mumbo jumbo" was just...well it was just ridiculous. What Bac was saying was perfectly clear. I really think she was just trying to dodge. The others may get more of my eye tomorrow (though if Finnian is bad I don't think its for the reasons put forth).

Vote Carmen

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Carmen Brightsun wrote:
Bac Wunderelin wrote:
Bac Wunderelin wrote:
Carmen Brightsun wrote:These "random" votes for Jorhan don't sit right with me. Especially this one:

Fane Winebattle wrote:I haven't been feeling well and the names are confusing me lol.
I will randomize my vote and I got Jorhan.
According to the chart, Fane, you are seated at the table of Happiness, and therefore you could not have voted for Jorhan.

This makes me think Jorhan is likely good. And because I'm beginning to trust Shand, I am going to vote for Caillic Lustroushair.
So you think him good based on the behavior of others? What think you of him showing up to make a second post soon after taking a vote for not posting, yet not voting?

The two lottery style votes made me nervous as well, but that one post soon after taking a vote really is one of those things that make you go "hmmm".
Yes. Ms Mightyfeet, you are correct

It WAS Carmen who pointed this out. I am not a fan of role hints, and never see then anyhow, while the illustrious Lady of the Imps made a good point, this also nags at me; thanks for the reminder

Maybe that Razor thing applies here, and Carmen it was who was saved, and Carmen it was whom I offended?

Simulpost with Ameerah. I shall do so

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I honestly have no clue what you are talking about. Sounds like mumbo jumbo to me.

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I just noticed this and seriously Carmen, you don't have any idea what she is saying here?? She is saying maybe it was indeed you who were saved, as I think is obvious, and maybe the decision to put the lynch on Bac was because Bac made the observation that it was odd that you noticed Fane's ballot was for someone at the wrong table when everyone else was doing their best to just remember who they could vote for. I could understand you saying you disagreed with the logic here or offer some reason that this wasn't the case but to say it was "mumbo jumbo" just looks like a way to dodge to me.

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Fane also hasn't posted since May 14th. I don't know whether to chalk that up to inactivity because he's trying to fly low or inactivity because he is still confused about the game. He (or she) did indicate earlier that they were a new mafia player so that may account for it if it's true. Fane, I think it would be in your best interest to speak up and tell us what is going on and what you're thinking about your ballot today.

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Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:
Shand Azureye wrote:Carmen was voted for by: Fane (6), Etain (9), Lyel (10), Eurolyvn (12), Miyuki (13), and Ameerah (14). My question to you guys -- have you at all changed your mind about Carmen, or are you prepared to vote for her again today?
Carmen is/was still on the top of my list. I have some reservations now due to this supposed role hinting. But if they aren't really role hints then I don't feel like I have a reason to trust her.

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I haven't changed my mind about Carmen either and still support her lynch.

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I voted for Finnian last lynch but the more i have thought about it the more I have decided I let my supreme irritation overcome my logic. If Finnian were nefarious I think his team would have been all over him to cast a ballot, and just told him who he should cast a ballot for so he wouldn't even have to study the thread. Not only would they have wanted him to cast a ballot because they wanted the ballots but because they needed the night power.

This doesn't mean I'm totally dismissing Finnian and saying he's definitely on the sunny side but I'm no longer seeing a reason to ballot for him at this time. For some of you who still see him in the crosshairs, why do you think his not balloting adds up to him being nefarious? Don't you think his team would have been after him and convinced him just to ballot who they say? Maybe I'm missing something important here in the logic.

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Saito

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:If Rumpelforeskin, et al. moved the lynch to Bac, why Bac? Bac had zero votes, which leads me to think they could have chosen anyone.

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Maybe for the same reason someone chose to shut her up by having her speak Japanese. The only thing I noticed with regard to Carmen and Bac is Bac's the one who pointed out that it was interesting Carmen could figure out Fane (I think it was Fane) voted for someone at the wrong table when she Bac (and i venture the rest of us) was having trouble just figuring out which people she had to vote from.

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Saito

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:I doubt it was framing Bac because if Bac hadn't said he lost his lynch save, then I don't think we would have even realized the lynch had been switched to him. I certainly thought it was Carmen that survived the lynch.

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This ^^. Why even tell us he had a lynch save much less that he lost it unless it was true unless he's trying to set Carmen up and I just don't see Bac doing that.

I just read through all the posts about carmen and now I'm going to read through her posts.

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Saito

Finnian Metalfox wrote:Someone wanna tell me how missing the vote makes me bad?

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i can tell you what bothers me about it. If you're civv, then your inattentiveness to the game leading to you not voting leading to you not having a nightpower hurts the civvs. Your other comment is that your rl comes first, and of course that is true. Every one of us has a rl that comes before mafia, not just you. You say this is temporary though - how temporary? If you said I missed it and apologize.

With that said, I realize its possible I'm just very irritated with you and need to separate that from whether I think you are bad. It's hard to do because I don't think I've ever seen a civv so cavalier, though someone above made sense about you missing votes when you're a baddie not making sense either.

I really have to re-read some of this game today - I feel like it looped around me while I was out of town.

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Saito

Bac, if I'm understanding correctly you won a prize that was a save from that activity we do during the day to (hopefully) catch mafia members. Then, the hosts informed you that your save had been used because of an attempt on your life through the process we use to hopefully catch mafia. I believe you, and have had it happen several times before where I won something like a np and the next night a Mcbaddie tried to kill me - so I know it can happen. You sound sincere to me and I believe you, which really makes me turn my head toward the person who should have died in that process we use to try and catch mafias - Carmen. I will spend some time tomorrow looking further at her.

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Saito

oh gosh, I got back just in time to vote. I'm going to vote rune because it is a new word that I just learned.

Saito

The person who has caught my attention more than anyone else has been Finnegan. The last post that Rhinfrew (sp?) quoted above is where Finegan said he would go take a look - can't figure out if that was sarcastic or not but he hasnt been back to tell us about it. I was already pinged now just more so. Vote Finnegan.

Saito

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Shand, you did have us switched, it was I who voted Mainchin. You said 'you had your eye on him all game, especially coupled with' the rhenfew post, which was of course misunderstood. Why had you been looking his way prior to that?

I did find the indecisiveness in his posts to be pingy, but he has been more forthright in this day. He indicates that he wants the votes to be spread a bit more today, so that if a townie is lynched, it may reveal the baddie. I am worried that if they are spread too much, Rumplestiltskin will be able to use his power to his advantage?
What say you all to this?

I'm still trying to figure out how spreading the vote would reveal the nefarious ones. How would that work exactly? Usually spreading the vote is to the nefarious one's benefit because people can be lynched with just a few votes. I have an open mind, I'm just still trying to figure out how it would work. Some days I am just dumb.

Saito

EBWOP: Not your post Laine, the summary post that I think Ameerah provided.

Saito

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:
Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:Thank you Ameerah for that synopsis. Maybe it would be helpful to know why Laine is still pinged by Queran when he even admits the case against her/him was based on Jorhan being bad, which he of course wasn't. Laine, what else are you seeing there?

And thank you Gobnait for answering my question. I am starting to lean civv on you.
Firstly, I'd just like to inform everyone that I am female.

As you say, and as I have said in my post, I don't think my suspicions of Queran are valid due to the Jorhan vote and realised that even as I was writing my post.

I'm glad I know to say "she" now - I'm so tired of him/her, s/he. I apologize because I misread your post. I didn't realize you were saying your suspicions weren't valid.

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