The Syndicate

I'm going to have to vote with an eye to self-preservation. At this stage, lynching me for my meagre output is pretty much admitting that the baddies are in command of things. I've actively tried to keep current, and voted based on the cases I thought had the most merit. Just because I don't have time to type out rainbow wall posts doesn't mean I'm bad. And meanwhile, players like Malchus just keep absently surviving. I've TRIED.

Pilate wrote:

Lot wrote:Well, put it this way. Ruth voted for Isaac 4th yesterday, putting him in a position where there was a genuine chance he would be lynched instead of her. Why would the heathen team risk lynching someone no-one knows is heathen instead of someone we already know is?

Samuel's view on Isaac persuades me more about Samuel's mindset than about Isaac actually being bad.

Ruth would vote that way in order to distance herself from Isaac. The genuine chance he could be lynched is what makes it smart distancing, the risk element makes it that much more convincing.

I think that Isaac and Lot are both bad. I'll vote Isaac this time.

The point about the Mordecai/Isaac tie is solid, Mordy's vote makes no sense if they aren't teamies. That, and while I know I haven't made a ton of posts in this game, I've got a decent sense of who I think is trustworthy, and Pilate is one of them, so Isaac is getting my vote again.

"Death's Handmaiden" sounds too much like Epig for me to get on that lynch. Ruth's posts are terrifying me. The case on Isaac is still legit enough that I think he makes a decent backup plan.

Only here for a second, but is there any reason not to lynch Ruth? Why are others getting votes?

I'm starting to get tied up in work again, so I'm going to vote for Belshazzar. I feel strongly that voting patterns are most important, and he did seem to vote in some spots that look like saves. And while I appreciate his output, there have been plenty of players (like MP) who can routinely be the top poster in the game and be bad, so I'm not weighting Bel's output as strongly as his voting record.

I don't see a case on Pilate at all, reading through his posts. He seems to have been putting pressure on both Uzziah and Mordecai, so I'm wondering why he has a vote?

And Belshazzar has been mega-contributive and scum-hunty with the huge vote breakdowns etc. so the issue with him seems to be more that his votes have often hit at suspicious moments, correct? Such as, putting someone slightly ahead of Uzziah, etc? I have a very hard time voting for someone who has posted as much as he has, but I am a believer in voting patterns being the best way to find the baddies. Moving on...

I'm reading back through the posts of some of the contenders for today. In regards to Isaac... I had had civ vibes from him early on, and then I see he went through that whole "vanilla civ/walking dead man" thing and no one activated that night, correct? So where are we now on that? I'm trying to streamline my time as best as possible. And if both he and Mordecai were bad and leading the lynch together, does Isaac's elf-vote mean they considered him a lesser-powered role and tried to save the Big Cheese by lynching the little guy? Thanks.

Lot wrote:I understand Deborah. Please don't take my fainting as criticism (mafia or not). It actually just made me laugh out loud, because it's almost like clockwork.

I'm truly sorry... Someone has meningitis here and that took up the entirety of my afternoon. I'm trying to play, but my job requires that I actually, you know, help people when they need help. It sucks, but it's not negotiable.

I'm so sorry for missing the vote.

Hey all, so I've skimmed the thread, and there are a TON of huge wall posts breaking down every vote from every fucking angle, lol? Can someone point me towards one or two summaries, or conclusion-type posts? I as always have limited time, but I want to actually try to judge the cases and I'm not going to have time read a novel. Any help would be appreciated, I'll be back in this afternoon.

Belshazzar wrote:
Do you ever?

I do apologize. I just have stretched my life out too far and genuinely have trouble keeping current. I know that at some point I'll be lynched for it, it's inevitable, but in the meantime I'm doing my best to try to participate!

Absalom wrote:Jonathan: "Don't lynch me!"
Absalom: "Who should we lynch instead?"
Jonathan: "There are lots of cases out there."
Absalom: "Okay, which one looks good to you?"
Jonathan: "Doesn't matter. Just not me."

Voting Jonathan.

I will go along with this and vote Jonathan. I haven't had a chance to re-catch up.

Sorry for missing the vote everyone, it won't happen again. I'm in way over my head trying to follow this, but I'll try to pick it up.

Belshazzar wrote:See my post, Balaam. Torn between Jacob and Ruth. Jacob looks worse, but not completely irredeemable and he falls strictly under "Uzziah defender" type. Ruth may have influenced Day 3, when Uzziah could actually have been lynched and we would be looking at a different picture right now, but her actions back then make no sense (except for a stringent saving instinct) and there's not much else, other than that, to fully convict her.

linki: A slip up of what? Pilate and Lazarus being twins?

im out of time and from what I can gather laz/pilate is not something to actually worry about, so I will go with your case on the previous page against Jacob. Is as good as anything I will find and I have to stop ignoring my kids.

Jonathan wrote:

Deborah wrote:Im being pushy because I don't have time to be patient. Fact is, this feels like a slip up to me. But at the same time, Pilate pushed hard against Uzziah didn't he? I think that two could be horsemen, but that's not really the target. .. g a h.

What makes you think horseman instead of heathen?

Pilate was strongly against uzziah. Whatever he is, he can't be a heathen. Unless he gunned for his own teammate with little provocation. I don't think it's likely.

Im being pushy because I don't have time to be patient. Fact is, this feels like a slip up to me. But at the same time, Pilate pushed hard against Uzziah didn't he? I think that two could be horsemen, but that's not really the target. .. g a h.

Lazarus wrote:

Deborah wrote:

Lazarus wrote:I think Pilate read my mind.

Had you meant to reply to his post?

Yeah

Well what was your reply?

Lazarus wrote:I think Pilate read my mind.

Had you meant to reply to his post?

Belshazzar wrote:

Deborah wrote:Why is day ending so early?

There was no Night. This Day is ending normally, after a regular 48 hours phase.

Oh, thanks, I really need to keep up. Pilate/Laz, wtf?

Why did Pilate and Lazarus just make identical posts? ??? WTF?

Why is day ending so early?

Belshazzar wrote:

Deborah wrote:What happened to night time? I expected day to have started today. Nice job on Uzziah, I guess sometimes when someone says they are routing for the baddies, they mean it, lol? I will never understand why some players decode to bring such a spotlight onto themselves. ..so I will try to catch up once the kids are asleep, I wasn't expecting such a deadline.

An hour left on the clock, mind you...

Yes, I see that, I won't have time for a proper catchup. I will try to find the car on the top vote getters and I will have to make a snap decision.

What happened to night time? I expected day to have started today. Nice job on Uzziah, I guess sometimes when someone says they are routing for the baddies, they mean it, lol? I will never understand why some players decode to bring such a spotlight onto themselves. .. so I will try to catch up once the kids are asleep, I wasn't expecting such a deadline.

The lynch looks like it is going to Uuziah, so I have placed my vote on Malchus as a little bit of a nudge. Malchus, your posts sink and I'm going to keep pushing you until you come back and play.

Samuel seems to be posting once or twice per day period... it could be a baddie trying to appear like they are staying current. Neutral is the best I could say, here.

And lastly, Stephen and Uzziah. Both of these two are really playing up the meta-sock aspect of the game. Stephen is psoting like some kind of superhero with "Stephen out!" and "Stephen is here!" all the damn time. Meanwhile, Uzziah has the notorious "rooting for the scum" comment and recently had some more flippant posts. I have a very hard time analyzing people who are this deep into a persona. It makes their actions impossible to judge. For instance, why did Stephen talk about suspicion of Ruth and then vote for Uzziah because "fuck it"? Is this a baddie trying to force the lynch away from someone we've been talking about? Perhaps Lazarus? Or is Uzziah bad and his whole schtick is a wifom lover's dream?

I don't like voting for people in meta-mode, so I'll be voting for either Malchus or Lazarus. I'd like to give them both a chance to reply to my thoguhts on them, though, so I won't be voting yet.

Oops, forgot to add Rebecca in there, same basic read as Rahab.

Rahab has little output, but what is there is roughly neutral, nothing really pinged me but nothing soot dout as civvie, either. At least she's around.

Ruth is a bit wishy-washy for me. Lots of posts at the start with lots of jokey day 0 banter, but since then, Ruth has participated but often only on the bigger cases of the moment. It doesn't necessarily point to baddieness, I know that when life is in the way sometimes it is hard to comment past the bigger stuff, but it's still worth pointing out.

I haven't yet found anything better than Malchus/Lazarus for my vote today.

Continuing with my catchup from yesterday, I just reread Rachel. She's very active, a bit antagonistic, and a bit defensive. That said, I'm not sure that makes her bad? There have been lots of people picking at her posts, and I've been defensive as a civ where it reads a lot like that,so I'll put her down to neutral.

@Stephen, why bring up your suspicion of Ruth and then say "fuck it, I'm voting uzziah"?

Lot wrote:I'm also going to look sideways at anyone who thinks Lazarus is shady, tbqh. That means you, right now, Deborah.

Not that Lazarus must be good. But he certainly looks better after Job's death.

Could you explain this a bit, please? Why does Job's death mean Laz looks civvie, to the point that you will eye those thinking he is not?

@Pilate, I just read through your posts. You seem a bit scattered to me, not very on point, but there is nothing there that says baddie, to me. I can see from your tone that you aren't happy with your own play, and i'vebeen there myself, but it doesn't mean you read like a baddie, so I'm not understanding your black & white issues with Uzzi's post.

Like, if Uzziah is lynched and is good OR bad, I don't think in either case I would think of you? No offence, I hope? A declaration of thinking someone is civ isn't a sign of baddieness, I think in my catchup posts today I said that about at least 3 people so far. If they get lynched, will people instantly think of me?

I don't have any real conclusion to pull fro your thoughts on this, I'm just really confused by it all.

I'll get the other half of the poll later, must head to work.

Malchus, holy shit, this is not a civ.

Here is his reasons for voting Cain:

Malchus wrote:I think things point more to Cain being bad than Uzz.

No explanation. He's never mentioned Cain as bad before this. But he's supported Uzziah quite a bit. But thinking one person is civvie isn't a valid case voting calling someone else bad.

this was followed, after Cain's death, with:

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Malchus wrote: How do you defend day 2 suspicion away?

Besides I assumed someone was faking being silenced.

I'm sorry, but this cries out bad, to me. A vote with no reason followed by a shrug.

Pilate reads more as a neutral read... more posts mentioning topics than a lot of players including myself, but they feel a bit like commenting on topics rather than engaging with them. Like, Pilate mentions suspicions and people of interest without really getting in there and contributing real thoughts. And this last post is WTF to me. I await a reply about it, as it's bizarre.

Not a fan of Lazarus. His posts regarding Absalom don't make sense to me. He has one fact about Absalom that constitutes his case; Absalom voted for a player who was silenced. Every post since then has amounted to a variation of "still suspecting Absalom for being shady". But that's a horrid case. First, Absalom was not even the first person to vote for Cain, Paul was. Second, while I see that people were questioning whether Cain was silenced, no one seems to have mentioned that he was lurking until after Absalom had voted (correct me if I'm wrong here, I did a quick skim). So Laz has pushed against Absalom for a very lame reason (a ton of people voted for Cain, why just him? Why never mention Paul, or me, or any of the other 4-5 people at least who voted him?) and this has spanned multiple days.

I'll try to smush more than 1 person in so I'm not posting constantly...

Jeph seems civ to me, he is actively voicing suspicions and commenting on everythin going on.

Jonah is likely a civ, but there is a weirdness to his set of posts. He posted a ton on Day 1 and then dropped off the game for 6 days. Then he says "sorry, I forgot about the game"? I can understand a low poster somehow forgetting, but Jonah posted a lot at the start and was very invested. Unless this was a host player switch and this is really a Jonah 2.0 in which case the comment makes sense? There is also a sort of flippancy to Jonah's posts that feels weird, but it's the kind of thing that generally gets jodged when you know the player posting it, so it's kind of null atm, I guess.

Isaac (both 1.0 and 2.0) read as civ, to me. I won't be looking in that direction today.

@Pilate, I'm still catching up, but can you expand on your vote post? So Uzziah says he thinks you and Absalom are civvie, so you think they are bad for it? That's quite confusing, tbh.

A read of Esther didn't take very long. Not many posts, not a ton of suspicions, but no sense of hanging back and coasting, either. It's a neutral read.

Bathsheba has few posts, but what I see is not crying out "civ". There is a general "just talkin' here" quality to them that sounds like someone just trying to post, and Bath popped onto the Cain bandwagon with the equivalent of a shrug.

Bathsheba has few posts, but what I see is not crying out "civ". There is a general "just talkin' here" quality to them that sounds like someone just trying to post, and Bath popped onto the Cain bandwagon with the e

I'm concentrating my time on people who are eligible to be lynched. The first name is Absalom. I've read back through his posts and I don't see anything ping-y there, he's been actively baddie hunting. Lot's accusations against him are weird, I'd like to hear more from him about that. The comments about Absalom pushing civ lynches hard, etc, Lot is using some Big words with little to back them up.

Stephen wrote:Then there's the group of players that aren't contributing at all: Lazarus, Malchus, Pilate, Uzziah, Samuel, Rebecca, Esther, Deborah, and Bathsheba.

I looked at our options today and literally remember almost no contributions from these players.

I'm actively reading back as we speak! I finally have some time

I self-voted, I have no idea of the state of things. I swear, i will find the time to actually participate in this game or I will ask to be replaced.

Same here (about being busy, I'm not sure what the rest means) ^. I will only have the time to catch up tomorrow, I'm afraid. My life is busy, there's no way around it.

Ruth wrote: Why is her vote more suspicious than Lots?

I do not even see where Lot explained his vote. In fact he said in his one post he would vote for Absalom. That's more weird than pingy, which means i would like an explanation before voting him.

Much more pingy is mary just saying "yeah, nice catch! *votes*"

Rachel wrote:

Ruth wrote:I caught up some today, but don't totally get the Mary suspish. I am going to try to figure out the case there, but will likely vote for Uzziah; can someone give me the Mary Mag cliff notes? I am having problems getting past his Day One antics, tbh.

Mary voted for me under suspicious circumstances.

Exactly this^.

I voted for Mary. My earlier thoughts on her still hold. Very busy, will hopefully chat more tonight.

I'm not liking the case against Rachel. Yes, her opinion of List Man seems a bit wishy washy, as she criticized someone else for the same opinion earlier, but it doesn't mean she's necessarily bad. Reading all of her other posts, I see a fairly active player who is making sense.

Pilate, however, in jumping on the Rachel thing, feels off.

I'm running out of time for my catchup but I feel like I'm getting back a handle on the game.

Lot wrote:
Absalom, who calls the killing of Paul a 'pattern'. I find this incredibly interesting. I don't think baddies tend to go for patterns... unless they can hide their real intention behind one.

I quite like this post from Lot. I find often baddies like to bring up their actions in the thread, if they feel that those actions should have warranted discussion. Like, a silencer will be more likely to be the person in the thread wondering of so-n-so was silenced. Here we've got Absalom pointing out a kill pattern directly. Could be his team is proud of their "kill annoying people" plan and he couldn't help get it out there?

I don't think it's enough to lynch him over, but it's worth noting.