The Syndicate

Spiral wrote:Unfortunately, it's not really defendable.

Spiral wrote:Longshot, I actually just read back, and I feel like I mischaracterized you. I apologize.

But logic tells me you are less likely to be civv than the rest of us.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Anyway, I have to leave. I'm voting Bullz. Like I said, from a readthrough I don't really lean either way on him, but from the case Havok has presented it seems literally impossible that he could be any role other than Sabretooth. Gotta go with the facts.

Linki: Almost entirely because of your late Spiral vote yesterday, and because of what I thought was weak reasoning for it and trying to blame me for your vote. That may seem unfair, since I voted Spiral too. If it makes you feel any better, you don't have to worry about it today, and we have plenty of time to talk it over before the next lynch.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:I will say I like that we're talking so much today.

Oh, and that if Bullz isn't bad, either Cable or Bastion was. However, that all requires the assumption that Epi basically wrote the post as if Sabretooth were killed before executing his kill. Not sure why he'd do that, (could be order PMs were sent, maybe?) so I'm not totally comfortable with the idea.

Linki: Well, I think Shaw is a TERRIBLE idea for a lynch. I'm leaning slightly away from a Bullz lynch at the moment, but I'd still like to discuss it more and see what others think of what I posted. I'm strongly considering a Longshot vote, and thinking about one for you as well.

Who are you thinking of voting today?

Havok wrote:
Solidly civvie on Bullz, you say? You don't think it's possible that Bullz is Sabretooth? Dazzler was killed on night 3 and on night 5 Pyro takes over the NKs for the Brotherhood.

Epignosis wrote:Participants in this Exercise:

Avalanche Link - Killed Night 7 by The Sentinels. Resurrected Night 9.
Banshee Link
Bastion Link - Killed Night 5 by The Sentinels
Cable Link - Killed Night 5 by Omega Red
Dazzler Link - Killed Night 3 by Sabretooth and The Sentinels
Deadpool Link
Deathlok Link - Destroyed Day 1 ... Bishop
Domino Link - Destroyed Day 5.1 ... Gambit
Exodus Link - Destroyed Day 4 ... Gambit
Havok Link
Hawkeye Link - Destroyed Day 9 ... The Sentinels
Longshot Link
Marrow Link - Destroyed Day 8 ... Blob
Mikhail Rasputin Link
Mojo Link - Killed Night 5 by Pyro
Phoenix Link - Killed Night 8 by The Sentinels
Polaris Link - Destroyed Day 10 ... Toad
Quicksilver Link - Destroyed Day 3 ... Psylocke
Scarlet Witch Link - Assassinated Night 2 by Psylocke
Sebastian Shaw Link
Shadowcat Link
Spiral Link
Sunfire Link - - Destroyed Day 5.2 ... Rogue
Thunderbird Link - Destroyed Day 2 ... Forge
The Vision Link - Killed Night 9 by Pyro.
White Queen Link
Bullzeye - Brought back Night 7.
Elohcin - Brought back Night 7.

Alive: 12
Dead: 14

Now, I think I was subscribing to the theory that Dazzler was a civvie and that it was unlikely that the kill could have been redirected to the killer, but look at the above quoted host post.

Dazzler is killed on night 3 by Sabretooth. Pyro takes over the team's NK on Night 5. Who dies between nights 3 and 5? Domino, Exodus, and Sunfire. That's it. All 3 were lynched and none of them were Sabretooth. No other kills occurred between Sabretooth's last kill and Pyro's first.

Dazzler must have been Sabretooth. If Bullzeye is Dazzler, I am voting for Bullzeye today. Can anyone give me a reason why I shouldn't???

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Damn crypticness.

That to me sounds like it's implying Apoclaypse's not-dying thing is win-condition related. So I won't vote White Queen unless someone convinces me I'm wrong about that.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Havok wrote: Fair point, but in order for Spiral to be a Polaris team mate, Spiral would have had to make the decision to vote for a team mate yesterday and keep the vote there. That makes no sense when Spiral is the other lynch candidate.

It kind of does, though. Like Longshot said, Polaris was Toad, and the other 3 possibly living baddie roles are Magneto, Pyro, and Juggernaut. It's possible Spiral or their team to decide Toad was less valuable than whichever of those Spiral was, and when no one else is even on the chopping block for lynch. I'm not saying it's the most likely explanation, (I actually find it somewhat unlikely) but it's definitely possible.

Longshot wrote: I did not feel comfortable about my vote.

What made you uncomfortable about it, and if you were uncomfortable, why vote as you did?

Deadpool wrote:yah im willin 2 admit im probs wrong about spiral bein bad. i dont think the votes woulda gone down the way it did if him and polaris were team m8s.

and banshees right bout the votes movin during the marrow lynch. longshot voted 4 marrow at the start and said he might change it, then viz called the marrow vote "easy" so longshot switched his vote 2 me. longshot also subtly tried to get banshee to switch his vote too. then there is of course the vote 4 spiral yesterday that could have saved toad. if im goin just by voting record id say longshot fits the brotherhood mold perfectly. longshot blames his vote on not readin closely enuf....... my question for longshot is what would u have done differently with ur vote if u had read the thread better? that excuse dont make sense2me.

tryin to decide whether mikhails missed vote for spiral makes him more or less likely 2 b bad......... raspys a crafty guy im not sure what his angle is.

but i got another idea for todays vote. see the way i read it last night was M-Day meanin a bunch a mutants lost their powers which means we could potentially b dealin w/ a depowered apocalypse today. i was wonderin what yall thought about that. personally i got 2 suspects for apocalypse, white queen and sebastian shaw. my vote today will likely go to one of em cuz i think its important to try and get apocalypse out while we can. i fear the window of opportunity might b closin on that one after today. leanin queenie over shaw what does every1 else think

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Longshot wrote: So was Spiral good? I may have missed that. I'm not going to say I'm sure he is bad because I'm not but I don't think anything happened to prove he was good either. Correct me if I am wrong.

This is a surprisingly good point. I actually hadn't thought of it myself. You came into the day my top suspect because of your vote, and I still may go that way. Your reason for your vote (below) is very pingy to me, even though I guess I appreciate the trust.

Longshot wrote:I have just skimmed the thread becasue i have had no time but I didn't want to miss another vote. I'm going to go with Spiral because mikhail who I trust would have voted him and not Polaris.

Take some responsibility!

Longshot wrote:I only had time to skim through the thread which I need to rectify before the next vote. My vote for you Spiral is I saw Polaris as slightly less suspicious than you. I probably should have just not voted having not had time to read in detail the parts I missed when out of town and so really wasn't totally sold on you either.

This just read as weird to me. The parts I put in green seem like kind of a cop-out. That may just be me, idk. You didn't have time to read? Literally nothing happened in the thread the whole day.

White Queen wrote:Well, this is them:

Sebastian Shaw (6), Polaris (7), Bullzeye (8), Longshot (10)

Polaris obviously was a baddie. Of the three left, I think Shaw is bad for sure. Longshot I waffle on, and I am least suspicious of Bullz. This vote was somewhat damning, but one vote is not the only thing, the totality of his game makes me think he is less likely to be bad.

I would be fine

The Vision wrote:Holy crap where is everyone? I have no real idea today, none at all.

I feel like hawkeye voting marrow feels too easy.

Spiral wrote:

Longshot wrote: I think I agree with AP - not sure of bullz, I may go sorsha. She doesnt have any votes so looks like a safe option. I'll go ahead and vote AP now and continue to think about the bottom selection.

Why is she safe because she has no votes?

Havok wrote:One thing I don't think that we've discussed is why this 7? There have been 11 players either NKed or lynched in this game, so why are we choosing between only this lot?

5 players have been NKed in this game while 6 players have been lynched. If the top 4 on the poll are the lynched players, I would bet that Exodus and Domino are both represented there. k4j could very well be Exodus like is being discussed. If I had to guess, I would say that Boogs was Domino. Thinking back to Domino's posts, Boogs is a good match IMO. Therefore, I will likely vote for either Elohcin or A Person for the top portion of the poll.

I'm still contemplating the bottom half.

Hawkeye wrote:Perhaps Apocalypse needs a specific recruit. There was an instance somewhere where Apocalypse resurrects Mystique, Magneto and some other people to fight the Sentinels. Just throwing it out there. It might not be true.

I don't know about you people, but the only one on that list I'm 99% sure is a civilian, is AP.

Observe.

I do miss Bullz's insight though, but with all the weird speculations, I might want to be a bit cautious. For those still wondering: Dat behaviour spelling.

Anyway, I think my votes will most likely go to AP and Bullz.

White Queen wrote:I think Roxy was Scarlet Witch, based on her wording. But I also have an idea who Bullz was, and I very much think he was on the civ side. He was NKed by The Sentinels, and Scarlet was NKed by Psylocke, who probably actually was Psylocke, IMO, not a Seemer.

White Queen wrote:

Longshot wrote:But Polaris, it is not common for any of the people on the list of the dead. It is only common to k4j. I understand they use it at mafiascum but we don't have any mafiascum players on the list of the dead. Exodus used the language. Exodus is dead. k4j uses that language. k4j is the only person on tht list that uses that language. Everyone on the list is dead, including k4j. k4j=Exodus.

You don't think that someone could use jargon to fool people in a sock puppet setting? I know i have done so when playing a sock game. It is very possible that K4J is Exodus, but i am not sure why it is so sure that Exodus is the bad Gambit as opposed to the other Gambit.

Polaris wrote:I do understand the situation. My problem is that I don't know anyone's meta, so all I have to go on is the word of others. Since you seem convinced that Exodus is k4j though, I'll gladly stay away from that one. I'll probably end up going with Roxy and AP, since they're the only two I know, lol.

Avalanche wrote:

White Queen wrote:

Longshot wrote:

White Queen wrote:

Longshot wrote:I'm pretty sure k4j is Exodus. Exodus used the language "scum" scummieness" and "scumhunting" in his posts. I made a mental note at the time that Exodus had to be from ksite where they use that language. k4j is the only person I see on the list from ksite. I don't know where each person stands on the Exodus controversy but I did want to add that insight into this decision.

FZ is also someone from KSite. And people try to disguise themselves in these games. I know i have affected British/Canadian spelling in other sockpuppet games (colour, etc). So i would not be so sure that that has any bearing.

Linki; so much the better. Clear eyes. I love this poll

I don't see FZ's name up there. That is my point: k4j is the only one from ksite on the poll, therefore he is the only one from ksite who is dead. Exodus is dead. Exodus used language that they use at ksite only. Where does FZ even figure into this? If she's in the game she's still playing - she is alive.

My point was that other people might try to switch it up by using terminology they normally would not. i think it unlikely that K4J would say "scumhunting" in this game because it would so obviously pinpoint him (or FZ). I have seen people in sock games go out of their way to affect the game styles of others. I would expect the same here.

Yeah, like how I have been saying "scum" this whole game, even though I am not from KSite.

White Queen wrote:

Longshot wrote:I'm pretty sure k4j is Exodus. Exodus used the language "scum" scummieness" and "scumhunting" in his posts. I made a mental note at the time that Exodus had to be from ksite where they use that language. k4j is the only person I see on the list from ksite. I don't know where each person stands on the Exodus controversy but I did want to add that insight into this decision.

FZ is also someone from KSite. And people try to disguise themselves in these games. I know i have affected British/Canadian spelling in other sockpuppet games (colour, etc). So i would not be so sure that that has any bearing.

Linki; so much the better. Clear eyes. I love this poll

Avalanche wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
Danger room error...Code 2112...Host drinking.

And the meek shall inherit the Earth...

Lucky ID 13! About time.

I'm voting for Roxy.