The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

Phoenix wrote:Phoenix is reset! I do believe I will go about making an actual account. Thanks for a good game, everyone!

Thanks for playing.

Sorry you didn't get to kill anybody though.

Until next time

Phoenix is reset! I do believe I will go about making an actual account. Thanks for a good game, everyone!

Polaris wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:

Polaris wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:So uhm... when I am being rezzed?

You and me both.

Wanna go grab a bite to eat?

I'd love to! How about some Del Taco? And no I'm not a cheap date, I can put those tacos away. And they cater to those on the zombie diet too!

I could go for some brains tacos.

Voting defense. I've always felt more of a protector than a fighter.

Hooray!!!

I think we've been spoiled by our prolific speakers (Mikhail and Havok), and I (and I'm sure others) have a suspicion they've been silenced.

I'm still suspicious of Marrow (I'm not re-re-rehashing my reasons; they remain the same as the last times I stated this), but I've also been suspicious of Deadpool since the last lynch period. He got oddly defensive since then when called out for voting bandwagon-y, and then proceeded to not vote bandwagon, but for Mikhail, who called him out on it. It's weirded me out too much not to go with that feeling, more so than my feelings towards Marrow at the moment. Also, afraid of wasting a vote on Apocalypse, so...

Sorry, dude - I enjoy reading your posts, but I think you're a baddie. Going with Deadpool.

Sebastian Shaw wrote:Foe-nix.

I do love my tea

But care to elaborate why my (purposely misspelled) name has been uttered?

Just my two cents on Professor X, but perhaps the "Sunfire" advice wasn't necessarily off the mark - he did warn us about LOOKING at the Sun (not about the Sun itself), perhaps trying to veer us away from lynching Sunfire. But then again, that kinda has the effect of "Don't look out that window right now!" (try that on a group of kids and count the ones who follow directions )

So I wouldn't necessarily discount what he's saying based on that, or say that he's a baddie in disguise, but I definitely agree that I would like some clearer instructions from fearless leader X. At least this advice about forgetting assumptions is less of a put-down than saying we're all cursed, or that we're boneheads

Spiral wrote:So, what do we make of Shaw's survival yesterday?

If we're looking for possible roles, the sudden "disappearance" in the description made me think of Nightcrawler. Not sure if Nightcrawler disappears before a lynch occurs and it goes to the next person or in the way it was described. Not ruling out other possibilities, but just putting this one forward.

(Aaaand I will likely not be posting much tonight, as I had a grand total of 0 sleep last night. Sooo, gonna catch up on that.)

I am not going to be much help in this poll, as I know absolutely no one. Yes, I've read the arguments, but to someone who doesn't know these lovely people more closely, it all looks foreign to me. Just about any justification I try to make will be...well, made up.

Sooooo, with that being said...Boogs and Sorsha it is, as the names amuse me the most :P

Polaris wrote:
I don't really even know half of these players. I'll probably vote along with someone's judgement I trust, or just vote randomly.

In the same boat. I was extremely confused when everyone jumped to their choices so quickly

Havok wrote:Deadpool pinging me like crazy now.

Me, too. He seems to be getting more defensive, especially with the discussion of Shaw and Marrow. Hmm...

White Queen wrote:

Phoenix wrote:Between Marrow and Shaw, I'll go with Shaw today. Too many weird ping-y posts versus non-posting.

What about Polaris, Spiral, The Viz & me? We all have votes, not just Shaw and Marrow.

Sorry, I was referring to my post earlier that I'd be down for voting for either Marrow or Shaw (my posts tend to get lost in the frenzy )

Between Marrow and Shaw, I'll go with Shaw today. Too many weird ping-y posts versus non-posting.

My apologies for being a bit MIA the last day or so - trying to enjoy the last semblance of vacation IRL

I'm pleased to see others are mentioning suspicions of both Shaw and Marrow, who have made me wary for a while but were not at the forefront. I had mentioned in an earlier post that I was suspicious of Marrow's last-minute, nary-an-explanation voting style, which received no response from either Marrow or anyone else that I noticed, and my confusion as to why many people did not give Shaw's strange postings much thought. I'd be up to voting for either of those two today to confirm my suspicions.

White Queen wrote:I actually think Domino was actually Mystique myself. Why would that make him bad? Some people you apparently trust have said some far fetched things as well.

How do you explain Longshot thinking Apocalypse tried to kill Hawkeye when the post says, or implies, nothing of the sort? For that matter, what is your opinion of Hawkeye or of Phoenix, who also was a last minute switcher, I believe? To tie you and Havok?

Just to clarify, I was not a last-minute switcher - my vote stayed on Havok in the last lynch.

Shadowcat wrote:I'm going with Havok and Mikhail. I was pretty sure about both of them, but after those lynch results, I feel like switching their targets around would give us the most information possible.

I hate to look like a tagalong, but I was having the same idea with those two, since the lynch didn't give us any good information and I'd like to see the results. Voting that way for now (not sure when/if I'll be back today).

Ooh yikes, sorry for repeating your info, WQ!

Shadowcat wrote:That was the worst-case scenario I was worried about: That nobody would be lynched and we wouldn't learn anything. So basically, it's another 72 hours of a whole lot of debating back and forth.

The only thing I've thought of so far is that the lynch ended in a tie, and I know Epig generally keeps those as no one getting lynched? What do others think? Agree or disagree?

According to the roles, our fearless leader Cyclops determines the outcome of ties

I don't think Rasputin is bad, so I won't vote for him. As of late I've been trusting more of the people voting Havok than those voting Rasputin (more, not all - doesn't mean I don't trust some of you), mostly based off the last lynch. Let's find out if I should've changed my vote last time...and hope there's no crazy math involved

Polaris wrote:

Phoenix wrote:I feel like a lot of us are grasping at next to nothing here, and we're all suspicious of each other (except the baddies, of course - they know who they are and are playing off our paranoia ). That being said, I do not have a good idea of who to lynch today. Unfortunately, that means I also don't have a lot of good theories as to who is bad, except that someone who voted for Sunfire is bad. And seeing as I am guilty of having voted for Sunfire, that doesn't give me a lot to go on. My gut was telling me WQ was bad, but now I'm not so sure since her response to the redirected night kills. It looks like I may just have to pick a side and hope for the best, as we are divided again.

I'll be back later (probably via phone) for the vote. Until then, I'll think more on this and read what others have to say (perhaps I'm not reading into the arguments enough?).

If you're gonna get on us for grasping, I wish you would bring a better plan of action to the table.

Haha, I suppose I should've mentioned that I'm guilty of it as well! My apologies for coming off as self-righteous or something as awful as that y'all are at least doing a better job of publicly speculating than I am at this point. I will offer better thoughts as they come.

I feel like a lot of us are grasping at next to nothing here, and we're all suspicious of each other (except the baddies, of course - they know who they are and are playing off our paranoia ). That being said, I do not have a good idea of who to lynch today. Unfortunately, that means I also don't have a lot of good theories as to who is bad, except that someone who voted for Sunfire is bad. And seeing as I am guilty of having voted for Sunfire, that doesn't give me a lot to go on. My gut was telling me WQ was bad, but now I'm not so sure since her response to the redirected night kills. It looks like I may just have to pick a side and hope for the best, as we are divided again.

I'll be back later (probably via phone) for the vote. Until then, I'll think more on this and read what others have to say (perhaps I'm not reading into the arguments enough?).

Phoenix wrote:

White Queen wrote:What escalated,exactly?

The copious amounts of death (sorry, just wanted to quote Anchorman). Not referring to anyone in particular, m'lady

And when I say lots to think about, I also mean your response to Spiral makes me think you're different from what I thought, role-wise. More investigation needed, but you're not my "flavor" so far today, if that helps

White Queen wrote:What escalated,exactly?

The copious amounts of death (sorry, just wanted to quote Anchorman). Not referring to anyone in particular, m'lady

Well, that escalated quickly

Lots to think about...

Definitely have no idea what the letters really mean, and I also looked. Sentinels have model numbers, not letters, and they don't go up to 10.

Going with A because...who doesn't want an A?

(Maybe people who aren't nerds )

Dammit!! RIP Sunfire

Well, "silent voters" is not the proper term. "Silent players" I suppose would be better.

Ugh, what's bugging me about voting Sunfire is that other people voting Sunfire have been pinging me lately in different ways. However, I suppose since the majority is voting for Sunfire, that would be the way of things, wouldn't it? I don't suspect Havok enough to vote for lynching him today. Sorry, Mikhail. I do value your thoughts, as I do others who put forth and explain their ideas.

@Marrow, I know you're on your phone, but your voting pattern for this game has been suspicious to me (coming in last minute and voting with nary an explanation as to why you choose who you do). I know I've been somewhat guilty of this at times, but I haven't heard much from you since Day 0. Care to elaborate/respond when you're on a more reliable source? I'd also like to see more explanation from Mr. Shaw (and the silent voters, on a day when no one is silenced), as I know others would, too.

I don't find Mikhail's ideas totally unreasonable, but I also don't see how Havok in particular is bad for the reasons described. There are other players who have supported and/or have been proponents of weird ideas in a game where most of us are reaching in the dark, looking for clues.

Reading back on Havok's posts, I just don't get particular baddie vibes. Perhaps I am a bad reader of character?

That being said, are only like three or four people going to talk about and engage with Shaw's really weird answers??? That seems WAY more suspicious than Havok at this point!

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:I will be voting for White Queen, the Vision, or Havok today, whichever I think is most likely to be lynched.

I think lynching Sunfire today is a mistake. He might be indy, and the indy roles are powerful this game, but there are still so many baddies out there that we need them gone to have a shot to win. I already think there are a number of civ votes on him, and I'm asking you guys to reconsider. Are you really comfortable voting the same way as the other players who are voting for Sunfire?

Avalanche, Phoenix, Longshot, and Hawkeye, if you have any doubts about this lynch or about the players I'm mentioning, I'd love to talk it over.

Talk to me, Mikhail - you've still got an hour!

Spiral wrote:

Phoenix wrote:
Vision, White Queen, Havok, Spiral, Avalanche, and Vision seem to be somewhat on board with each other, if at least not accusing each other. Sunfire and Rasputin seem to be on another side (or, at least Rasputin is defending/not going against Sunfire). Dunno if Sunfire is actually on board with him. I know Rasputin's been against Shaw for quite some time now, and others seem to be agreeing but not up for a lynch just yet. And I can't really put others who are less vocal (Marrow, Cable, Bastion, etc.) into a camp, but I've already said what I think about the lack of communication from them.

Phoenix, I think that first sentence is very unfair considering I have gotten into a spat with every single one of those players.

My apologies, Spiral! Didn't mean to over-generalize.

Arghhhh had a draft saved but I suppose I was wrong...Let me try to remember what I had to say.

White Queen wrote:For me, steering is giving very strong reactions to opinions expressed by others that are not in sync with ones own. So I have to agree that I think Rasputin could be steering. People with tentative theories or opinions tend to be cowed by steering, and drop them. Which is one way to control a thread, make people feel foolish or off base about their opinions.

And people are just saying what they felt; one person was brave enough to say it, now others are stepping up and saying they felt it too. I don't think we're divided all that much, really. What makes you say that?

Fair enough, I see your point. I still say it's not really out of sync with the way he's been playing throughout the game, but I can see where you're coming from. And I totally have no problem with people stating their opinion about something like that - I just did the same by disagreeing with it, so I have no room to criticize

Looking back at the posts since the end of the last lynch, it doesn't seem to be divided as much as I thought, so I suppose a thanks is in order for encouraging me to look back at what I've been reading. So far, I make the following observations:

Vision, White Queen, Havok, Spiral, Avalanche, and Vision seem to be somewhat on board with each other, if at least not accusing each other. Sunfire and Rasputin seem to be on another side (or, at least Rasputin is defending/not going against Sunfire). Dunno if Sunfire is actually on board with him. I know Rasputin's been against Shaw for quite some time now, and others seem to be agreeing but not up for a lynch just yet. And I can't really put others who are less vocal (Marrow, Cable, Bastion, etc.) into a camp, but I've already said what I think about the lack of communication from them.

I'm not sure when I'm going to return (yay after Easter shopping!), but just in case I'm not back by the deadline (and so I avoid a last-minute vote with no explanation), I'm going with Sunfire for now. At the risk of not repeating myself, I'm not going to repeat what I've posted the last few times about this vote, unless one is desperate to hear my opinion again. I'll add that pretending to be silenced AND voting seems a little more than odd. Why not just NOT pretend to be silenced and throw away the whole charade, and just say you were being quiet? Fishy. If I'm back before then and I see a reason to change my mind, I'll consider it.

Also, now that I have my ID, I've been thinking about what on earth they mean. Anyone got any further thoughts on this? I've been wracking my brain all day and playing with numbers...to no avail.

I see that we seem to be split, perhaps not down the middle but definitely divided at this point, which is both disconcerting (since it can get confusing) and yet oddly reassuring, as there doesn't seem to be too much of a chance of those mass, panicky lynches that we had in the first couple of days. I still don't really know who to trust, so TBH I'll probably keep my vote the same since at least I'm sure Professor X is on my side. I have until tomorrow to change my mind, though, and I welcome a good, convincing argument otherwise

I'm not sure why people are all of a sudden saying that Mikhail is dominating or bullying on the thread. Personally, I see that he's remained rather consistent in his posting and the way he states his opinions; I don't necessarily agree with everything, but I also don't see anything particularly more "wrong" with his approach. AND he definitely explains himself better than some people on the thread; those who pop in, say their vote with little to no explanation, then disappear until the next lynch are a lot more suspicious in my book. Just sayin'.

The Vision wrote:

Mojo wrote: So many people are in grey areas for me and I trust very few of you.

I want to trust you, but your avatar is just so gross, lol.

I can't stop laughing at this ^^^^

The math one, that is. Not the baddie part, fool.

The Vision wrote:Wow, Phoenix reacts with a last-second vote for Sunfire? The intrigue grows! Baddies be doin' sum maths lol?

Haha if only - I panicked without a response bc I realized the time (thought the vote ended at 6:30. Whoops). I'm still suspicious of Sunfire, was way too confused with the whole splitting votes thing, and I'm HORRIBLE at math, but thanks for the compliment

And sorry, just noticed you thought it was weird to be called MR Let's try that again - thanks, Mikhail!

Thanks for the response, MR! Sorry for making you go back and find all that for me.

The last Night and Day have made for some very interesting reading and deducing. Although I definitely wouldn't say I was sure about anybody after the last lynch, I feel even more unsure at this point. I thought the immediate response about Exodus being Mystique was really weird and suspicious at first, but now I'm not so sure, although I was pretty convinced Exodus was Civ. I'm not saying I'm necessarily buying the Mystique theory at this point, but I also am not completely throwing it out as a possibility.

I agree that with the logic produced by a couple of players, I find it hard to believe that the baddies would throw Exodus/Mystique under the bus for the reasons stated (I don't feel like I need to re-hash, unless someone feels that I do to prove I've been thinking about the vote). However, it wouldn't be unheard of, either. Leaning more towards the former, if you must know.

I know I'm a relatively quiet player, but there are other less loquacious players (tee hee, I love vocabulary) that I've been suspecting for a little while now because of the way they've been popping in and explaining (or not explaining) their lynch choices, usually based on the current bandwagon. However, they are not at the forefront, and my pointing out my suspicions at this point probably won't change anyone's mind for today's lynch.

TBH, I can't get Sunfire out of my head. MR, I know you've been asking what makes people suspicious of Sunfire besides Professor X's message. For me, it's the consistent pulling away of attention from him that makes me most suspicious. I could've brushed it off as coincidence a day ago, but it's the second round that people keep pulling attention away. Personally, I've been curious as to why your opinion of him changed (and I'm sorry if I missed your explanation, but I'm a pretty thorough reader, so enlighten me or point me to where you've explained yourself).

(Whew! Amazing how days off will let you catch up )

RIP Exodus, because I'm not buying into this Mystique theory. Every time concrete evidence is requested, some wishy-washy response is returned. I know infodumping is prohibited, but nothing that has been brought forth has convinced me otherwise. And we are still brought away from Sunfire every. Single. Time. His name is mentioned in a post. It's not like I am/was super gung-ho about lynching Sunfire (I was going off of Professor X's advice), but the fact that the conversation keeps being diverted is really suspicious to me, as is this immediate Mystique theory/whatever you wanna call it.

I'm feeling like Deadpool right about now - I can't trust anybody at this point, which is probably what the Brotherhood is going for. Congrats (NOT)

Polaris wrote:I'm self-voting just so Avalanche can have a landside victory over someone tonight...

^^^^ Love this

Sunfire wrote:

Avalanche wrote:

Sunfire wrote:

Avalanche wrote:Okay, two things.

1) can you guys stop silencing me every day? It is getting old. Thanks.

2) Morlock Tunnels, oh my God it is about time! I think you all know who is most equipped (and enthusiastic!) about going in there. Do the right thing. Vote me.

Okay. I'll vote you if you promise not to die

I promise not to die from Morlocks. I don't promise that you and your baddie allies won't kill me.

You don't have to wait much longer, my dear friend

Huh-WHAT? What is THAT response supposed to mean?

I think just about everyone thought of you when they saw the poll

Voting Avalanche as far as I can see!

And by week I mean day, or whatever the timeline is. (Long. Effing. Week.)

Spiral wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:That is true. He's an interesting one; I initially was sure he was bad, but after I read him back I was less sure. I've been waffling back and forth ever since, basically post-to-post.

Personally, I wasn't putting more stock in the Professor's thoughts than in any normal thread post, but the point was raised that he could have info, which I thought was interesting.

Sunfire was discussed a bit at the end of Day 3, was he not?
It seems to me that every time Sunfire is brought up, he somehow gets sidelined.

I've been feeling like this for the last day or so. What makes me think Exodus might not be a baddie was how he was one of the first (if not THE first) to try to turn votes away from QS last week. And although I happened to be the scapegoat for the turn, that also makes me think he doesn't know who the baddies are (as I stated in an earlier post).

I don't know what the Professor might know, but I'm feeling that sun reference could really only point to Sunfire. Putting my vote on him. Let's see how this turns out.

Exodus wrote:

Phoenix wrote: None taken! I do see your point. However, I just found it to be a rather tenuous argument and very panicky from many people who may or may not have been trying to split up votes for the Magneto argument (it makes my head hurt!), and I happened to be the scapegoat. What I'm trying to decide is if

a) those who switched their votes in the last minute to me were genuinely trying to save the (as it is clear now good) Quicksilver by putting votes on me with the tenuous feelings argument, or

b) if they were baddies trying to fearmonger by putting suspicion on me while allowing enough votes for QS to be lynched, thereby attempting to kill two birds with one stone.

I'm leaning towards the first argument, and at this point I'm not inclined to vote to lynch those who were genuinely trying to save QS (as much I feel betrayed by my fellows. Sigh). They were (wrongly) guessing I was a baddie, so they clearly don't know who the baddies actually are. I suppose some could also be Indys, now that I think about it. Others have made an interesting argument about looking at people who voted QS early and stayed with him, but I'm not so sure about that either, as I voted for him and genuinely thought he was a baddie. I'll have to think on this more.

Glad that you're not offended. I'm always scared to accuse people of not being sincere, it hurts some peoples feelings!
As for the suspicion, perhaps some people were just tagging along to make you look suspicious but I personally was not, I found you suspicious before the whole voting even happened. I'll be interested to the conclusions you make, because if I am being honest I'm concerned that you don't really have any strong thoughts coming out of this. But I am willing to wait and see because I know some players take time and I don't want to jump too fast where I stop a civvie from actually reaching their potential if that makes sense. I just feel like I have at least some leads to look at in terms of certain players. What do you think about Sunfire? The switch from him to you?

I'm inclined to think that it might be a ploy to take attention that was starting to build up around Sunfire, especially these arguments regarding semantics of Professor X's clue/warning. While the message is rather cryptic, I find it very hard to believe that it would be so cryptic that it would be a stretch to my name. If we're talking that far of semantics that Domino referred to first, Polaris is a bright star, which is a sun. I am not in ANY WAY accusing Polaris (I don't have evidence to do so, so PLEASE don't misquote me); I'm merely pointing out that a semantic argument like that looks like a way to distract people from the message.

I do like to put thought in my decisions, especially this far into the game with more evidence, but I don't think I'll say my vote just yet until I gather what I need. @Exodus (and anyone else I suppose), besides this whole "emotional" argument, I'd like to know what makes me appear suspicious so suddenly.

Domino wrote:Also team, how would the Sentinels be able to kill? I looked over their original description and it mentions only voting powers. Is the Sentinels one of the people who has won a recent poll??? They had to have gained a NK some how or been recruited.

I was wondering the same thing (wow, I'm talky today)