The Syndicate

Absalom wrote:It's okay. The afterlife isn't so bad.

Have some death wine. Belsh makes the best!

Hey you! Don't think you can skip out on taxes in hell!

Lot wrote:Mr Isaac tunnel vision

Absalom wrote:

Isaac wrote:I'm sorry for not being very helpful this week. I am INSANELY busy at work. I will try to check back in later, but I may just vote for Lazarus with Lot. Any reason I should not?

I have two reasons why you should not. Lazarus is not a Heathen and Lot is in no danger of being killed by him today.

Good enough for me.

I'm sorry for not being very helpful this week. I am INSANELY busy at work. I will try to check back in later, but I may just vote for Lazarus with Lot. Any reason I should not?

Good result! So, late train on me, huh? Lot, technicolor votes please?

Lot wrote:I didn't push at all against Mordecai. I did push hard against Isaac because I caught him in a boldfaced lie - something most people didn't bother to read. I just find this game too tiring right now. It's pointless being in the thread because neither my words nor my vote have value.

So what did I lie about again? Maybe if you stop yelling at everyone and pulling your hair out like a crazy person, we would take you more seriously.

For the record I went ahead and voted because I will not be around for the rest of the day and may not be back tomorrow, either. If people start agreeing with Lot that we should not lynch Ruth today (which after her post ^ I'm afraid to see what happens), then just go back to who we were suspecting the previous day. i.e. Rahab, me, etc.

Esther wrote:Well, this sounds fake:

Isaac wrote:Yeaaah. I'm with you there Absalom.

He was agreeing with Absalom that we should vote for Ruth but then he doesn't vote.

How is this fake? I voted for Ruth right away... Did you bother checking?

Yeaaah. I'm with you there Absalom.

No need for asshattery.

Lot wrote:Basically, on Lazarus, it's either:

He's bad and I survive; or
He's good and I die

So for me, I see merit in lynching him either way.

Half of your Laz related posts read to me as if you're being mind controlled.
If you're not being mind controlled, then you're okay with dying to prove he's civ, and living to prove he's bad? Is it all that worth it when no one else is voting for him?

?

The odds of you being wrong about me are even stronger. Btw, you seem so sure about me. Why continue to vote for Lazarus when no one else is willing to.

Great result, imo. Despite Ruth being rezzed of course. I really doubt Ruth has changed alignment upon her rez. If Belsh could do that as Death, I would assume, based on his post, that he would rez someone like David to join the Heathens. In sum, I think an immediate Ruth lynch would be ideal.

Deborah wrote:I'm reading back through the posts of some of the contenders for today. In regards to Isaac... I had had civ vibes from him early on, and then I see he went through that whole "vanilla civ/walking dead man" thing and no one activated that night, correct? So where are we now on that? I'm trying to streamline my time as best as possible. And if both he and Mordecai were bad and leading the lynch together, does Isaac's elf-vote mean they considered him a lesser-powered role and tried to save the Big Cheese by lynching the little guy? Thanks.

Oh Deborah, you have no idea how appropriate the term "elf-vote" is for me. Ha Ha... Ha.. ha... Whew, but no.

Jacob wrote:Well if not Isaac I guess.

Is this to mean that I could be Belsh's teammate or Deborah's? I'm confused by both, but especially one in particular.

I would be a mislynch. I don't think Belsh will be

Lot wrote:

Belshazzar wrote:As I've wondered (before being labeled as desperate), maybe Isaac is Heathen, and Mordecai chose not to sacrifice him by saving himself. But if that's true, and I were also Heathen, why would I sacrifice Isaac when Mordecai didn't?

This is a very good point. I still think Isaac could well be heathen as well.

There's only one way to convince you isn't there?

Lot wrote:

Isaac wrote:Thank you for voting Lazarus, Lot. I would have died had you voted for me.

It evened out your self vote. Don't self vote again.

One time tactic

Belshazzar wrote:

Isaac wrote:Another non-biblical voter? I wonder what his reasoning is...

Belshazzar wrote:Day 9: Mordecai giving up. Possible scenarios: Rebecca and Jonah out of picture. Samuel saving Mord. Jacob bussing Mord or looking better with his vote. Isaac, tbh, looking better with his self vote.

Nice backpedal,btw.
I'm pretty comfortable with my vote.

Did you explain why you self-voted? Are you even aware that your self-vote didn't do you any good and partially influenced you almost getting lynched? Oh that's right, you were baiting. Cool.

Am I supposed to figure out on the spot what's up with your self-vote? Isn't the whole point of a post-lynch analysis to elaborate closely how the votes look like? I gave Balaam my basic read, so it was just my first impression that I could come up with. In contrast, I spent the entire last Day extensively re-reading the game and look where it go me.

Enjoy your vote. If you're bad, it only aids you for me to be mislynched. If you're civ, good luck setting your next baits.

It was a risky tactic that I wanted to try. If I was lynched, it would have made Lot and many others rethink who they were looking at, which is what I would have wanted. Now that Mordecai has flipped Heathen, it gives us quite a lot to go on with this lynch vote in particular. Especially since it was such a close vote (a tie even). And no, you weren't supposed to figure out what was up with my self-vote. That's the entire point behind it.
Before anyone asks, I suspect Mordecai didn't vote for me because 1. he may have been the Heathen distancing vote. 2. there were 6 players who didn't vote, so maybe he was hoping more would pile onto me.

Balaam, did you say who you would have voted for?

Linkie: Hope the day's nice for you (genuinely)

Another non-biblical voter? I wonder what his reasoning is...

Belshazzar wrote:Day 9: Mordecai giving up. Possible scenarios: Rebecca and Jonah out of picture. Samuel saving Mord. Jacob bussing Mord or looking better with his vote. Isaac, tbh, looking better with his self vote.

Nice backpedal,btw.
I'm pretty comfortable with my vote.

Isaac wrote:

Lot wrote:

Jacob wrote: If we give the ultimatum "if he's not NKed let's lynch him" then duh obviously the baddies aren't going to NK him so they can get a free pass out of a lynch.

Why do people keep saying this since it is patently not what I or anyone else actually suggested....

I suggested that any disciples searching for another disciple to activate, target Isaac. When did this get bastardized into the heathen killing him?

I read it this way last night, as well. If that's not what you intended (making me a human sacrifice), then I apologize for misconstruing things. That would be why our convo got a little out of hand. I felt as if your whole intention was to get me killed one way or another just to be absolutely sure about me. If I do get activated, I really hope you're right about the protection. (I'm still not fully okay with this plan, though. I'm pretty comfortable on the fence).

I intend to be helpful today. I am very curious to see where this Rahab thing goes, so I will be on board there if that sounds like a good idea to everyone else.
I could also go for Mordecai vote, however, I don't know how I feel about both Pilate and Jacob backing me and wanting to vote for him....

What are current thoughts on Jacob, btw?

Just going to throw my night post in here. I now feel much better about Pilate and Jacob not being Heathens. They could still be Horsemen, but we should not vote for them for now.

I was getting annoyed with your technicolor posts, Balaam. But they've really helped me out this time. So thank you for them

I don't claim to be a master of anything. (particularly not voting. I agree with you there).

I'm also not saying that your surprise about a dead player's vote going through is suspicious. You clearly wanted me dead over Mordecai. Your vote for me broke our 3 - 3 tie.

@Epi

Belshazzar wrote:My top suspects are Rebecca, Jacob and Isaac, if it needs reminding. I've revisited the vote records and they still look just as bad, in context of Mordecai's flip.

In the context of Mordecai's flip? Forget you not, brother, that I suggested a Mordecai lynch before the night ended and before I went silent.

Lot wrote:Also, in my mind the team was Isaac, Belshazzar, Lazarus. I was surprised to see Belshazzar vote Isaac, because I actually expected him to vote Mordecai to save Isaac.

He voted me to save Mordecai. Note his surprise that Samson's vote caused a tie.

I set a trap and it looks like the 2 remaining Heathens took the bait. I'm voting Belsh now. Rahab should be considered for the next lynch.

Thank you for voting Lazarus, Lot. I would have died had you voted for me.

Lot wrote:

Jacob wrote: If we give the ultimatum "if he's not NKed let's lynch him" then duh obviously the baddies aren't going to NK him so they can get a free pass out of a lynch.

Why do people keep saying this since it is patently not what I or anyone else actually suggested....

I suggested that any disciples searching for another disciple to activate, target Isaac. When did this get bastardized into the heathen killing him?

I read it this way last night, as well. If that's not what you intended (making me a human sacrifice), then I apologize for misconstruing things. That would be why our convo got a little out of hand. I felt as if your whole intention was to get me killed one way or another just to be absolutely sure about me. If I do get activated, I really hope you're right about the protection. (I'm still not fully okay with this plan, though. I'm pretty comfortable on the fence).

I intend to be helpful today. I am very curious to see where this Rahab thing goes, so I will be on board there if that sounds like a good idea to everyone else.
I could also go for Mordecai vote, however, I don't know how I feel about both Pilate and Jacob backing me and wanting to vote for him....

What are current thoughts on Jacob, btw?

Rachel wrote:It's only fitting that I be killed before the people who out themselves.
Thanks for the wonderful game, Epi-- maybe I can come back.

I didn't want to out, K? I hope you do get a rez. Sorry I went after you.

Lot wrote:Isaac doesn't make me like him any more by trying to claim that it was ME who pushed him out into the open when it was HIM who role claimed.

If you are going to role-claim, you better be damn well willing to back it up. If you are scared of being killed by the heathen for being a 'confirmed civ', then don't role claim. For me, it's really simple.

For the record I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. I also wasn't trying to be specific. That's where it gets dangerous. We're getting into the specifics of my role if I am activated, and the heathens will most certainly kill me before end game, if not immediately. You're clearly more upset about this than I am, though, so I'm just going to step away and let things play out. I'm sorry it got this far.

No matter what happens, I hope I stop being a distraction so that the hunting may continue. Good luck to everyone on my side.
Mordecai, Jacob, and Rahab are good players to scrutinize next. I'm sure there will be a positive outcome there. Do with that what you will.

Isaac out

*further out in the open. I was already under a magnifying glass with my voting record, etc.

Because I will be confirmed. Then civs would have no reason to lynch me. And heathens would have no reason to let me live.
Like everyone else, I want to live. I want to win. Whether there will be immediate or long-term protection for is a HUGE If. And as I see it now, I'm safest on the fence than off on either side (where there's clearly sharp rocks on one side and snakes on the other).

I'm a walking dead man because you and Jacob have just painted me red and pushed me out in the open.

That is extremely heartless, Lot. I'm quickly becoming a human sacrifice. As to what Belsh is referring to: If I am "activated" tonight, I have a target on my head. I'm a walking dead man if that happens either way you look at it. (It physically hurt to read your post. Are you human?)

If you'll take 2 seconds to reconsider what I said before: I think Mordecai and Rahab are 2 good ways to look next in order to make some progress on this bitch.

So is there any way we can stick with wifom and not give the heathens an excuse to kill me?

I had zero intent to out myself. I simply said I was a vanilla civ. I thought I remembered there being more. Jacob pointed out otherwise. And thus, I'm fucked.

Linki: Yeah. That too.

I'm gonna die soon.

Absalom wrote:

Isaac wrote: Calmallama down for a sec and look at the roles page. I call myself vanilla because there is absolutely nothing next to my role on that page.
My only slip up is forgetting to search for other apostles

If Isaac is telling the truth, he has to be either Matthew, Philip, or Simon Peter. Does anyone have any reason to believe he is not one of these three roles?

You are not.... wrong.. Don't smite me please!

Absalom wrote:I'll take a breath here and say, at this point, Isaac, Jacob, Mordecai, and Belshazzar look worst. I'm very interested to see what Rahab will yield though.

Yup. Lol. If it's alright with you, though, I'd like to look at Mordecai and maybe your Rahab suspicion first. Mordecai has been on the back of my mind for a while now and I couldn't really figure out why. It's nice to have your analysis here to show me why. Although I will inevitably prove that vote history isn't perfect evidence. I'd be willing to toss a vote here, though.

I had this all typed out and forgot to post it!

Jacob wrote:Oh wait, no, I misread them. The special abilities are the ones there, in brackets. Never mind.

Sorry Jacob, didn't see this before my response. You are correct, though, I totally forgot about it, tbh.

Now I've lost my place. Great.

Jacob wrote:Wait a minute, don't all the apostles have special abilities? Are there any truly "vanilla" civs? Was that a Vanilly slip, Isaac?
Could be he's an unactivated apostle and is essentially vanilla, but still.


Absalom, why no analysis of Rebecca? What are your thoughts on her? She keeps getting skipped over in discussion, and I think she's still worth looking at.

Calmallama down for a sec and look at the roles page. I call myself vanilla because there is absolutely nothing next to my role on that page.
My only slip up is forgetting to search for other apostles

Rachel wrote:

Isaac wrote:I would be guaranteed a spot in your top 4, Balaam. Maybe even your top 2. I'm telling you, though, I'm just a vanilla who's made A TON of mistakes with my shit playing this game. I'm with Jul... I mean Jonathan No more sock games for me. Way to easy for me to mess up in my reads of others.

......... Yes?

Lot wrote:

Isaac wrote:I like your analysis on Balaam and Belsh. It helps me open my eyes a bit and look beyond their "super helpful, civ-friendly" play style. There could definitely be some sneaky behind the scenes action going on there.ky:

What do you make, then, of Absalom saying my voting record seems to exonerate me, and my vouching for Balaam?

It means to me that Absalom and I are pretty much in the same boat about you, then. I've been back and forth with my suspicions of you quite a lot. I'm not going to let my guard down, but I've been feeling very good about you lately.

Lot wrote:

Absalom wrote:Isaac
Day 1: Third vote on the Samson wagon.
Day 2: Missed.
Day 3: Second vote for Job, after Uzziah, making it a tie with Uzziah.
Day 4: Missed.
Day 5: Fourth vote on Geoff. Uzziah had seven at the time.
Day 6: First vote on Rachel, Ruth had none.
Day 7: Missed.
Day 8: Missed.

Observations
Both Deborah and Issac's Day 3 votes could potentially have been save attempts. Apart from that though, there's not much here to raise my eyebrow. Esther was clearly replaced around Day 4.

Did you miss the fact that Uzz was in the equal lead with two votes when Isaac was the third vote on Samson on day one?

I totally regret Isaac 1.0s move that day.

Absalom, you're probably the one I trust the most right now. I like your analysis on Balaam and Belsh. It helps me open my eyes a bit and look beyond their "super helpful, civ-friendly" play style. There could definitely be some sneaky behind the scenes action going on there. I think these 2 are clever enough to cover their tracks carefully, though. Ruth, however, I can see making mistakes, such as voting so closely after Balaam voted (presumably after they just finished discussing in there chatzy).

This is all assuming and theorizing, though. I'd like to hear more thoughts on this.
Now to go estimate when the next poll will close

I would be guaranteed a spot in your top 4, Balaam. Maybe even your top 2. I'm telling you, though, I'm just a vanilla who's made A TON of mistakes with my shit playing this game. I'm with Jul... I mean Jonathan No more sock games for me. Way to easy for me to mess up in my reads of others.

Well it looks like 70% of the players (including one who isn't playing ) voted for Jonathan.
I know it's easy for me to jump in and say this, but I actually had some really good vibes from Jonathan (especially after I saw who the player was) I don't know who I would have voted for currently.

I missed another vote. I blame the holiday weekend this time. I was out for most of the day. I had a great day other than missing this vote.

I'm an awful replacement

Haven't said this yet, but thanks for posting the polls, Balaam! It really helps out those of us who missed it completely :/
Unfortunately, I would have added to that Jeph train. As I said before, I promised to follow Balaam and Lot in whomever they voted for, and I intended to keep that promise. This only makes my shitty voting record shittier, though!

Epignosis wrote:Go into your user control panel (top left) and change the time zone.

Thanks! It was on Western European time

Second question I meant to add to the previous post: can I change the time that is displayed to me?

Okay, serious question: what time zone does this follow? I thought I had 3 more hours to vote!

In fact I will help vote for the one of the 3 of us that everyone wants to see lynched first. You have my word.