The Syndicate

Jack Shephard

The sexiest player in the game is now cleaned out.

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Thanks and dead for three days to boot.

Jack Shephard

Havok wrote:So, White Queen, is there any way we can all win together? I'd say everyone left in the game has played hard and is deserving of winning.

Havok 286
White Queen 264
Mikhail Rasputin 225
Polaris 191
The Vision 191
Spiral 188
Avalanche 158

Everyone is averaging over 10 posts per mafia day, so there are no slackers in the group. Whaddaya say?

Thank you for the inclusion.

Jack Shephard

Hawkeye wrote:
Polaris wrote:
Hawkeye wrote:So uhm... when I am being rezzed?
You and me both.

Wanna go grab a bite to eat?

I'd love to! How about some Del Taco? And no I'm not a cheap date, I can put those tacos away. And they cater to those on the zombie diet too!

Jack Shephard

Hawkeye wrote:So uhm... when I am being rezzed?

You and me both.

Jack Shephard

Spiral wrote:Wanna know what's surprising?
Everyone who has been antagonizing me all game that we've lynched?
Turned up bad so far. Hawkeye. Polaris.
And you want Longshot to take responsibility? The post I'm going to respond below is pretty much the biggest shirk of responsibility I've seen. You literally just go, "Well that was HAWKEYE!" What the fuck, man?

I don't play mafia on a personal level, hence I also don't antagonize people.

My death was stupid, but it happens. Carry on.

Jack Shephard

What an ugly picture, can you switch it out for my avi instead?

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I ain't paying you anything.

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I agree, all it took was one player to make claim, which was quickly disproved and he backed out on.

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Who are you thinking of voting?

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Havok wrote:13 players and only 5 votes so far? This is either going to be a crazy finish or it will be incredibly lame.

I just put mine in, and I think Mikhail forgot to vote.

Jack Shephard

Just some thoughts

Avalanche - we've considered him good for a while now, but he's offered nothing in return for days. And we don't know why he is alive again. I know my opinion of him has grown less and less as the game has worn on, but his reasoning for voting me today (now that he's stated it) is hard to argue. I'm still putting one big question mark next to him.

Banshee - Now here's a player I've overlooked, and a lot. Reading back, I recall that Sunfire trusted him, which is probably why he fell off my radar. It looks like he also helped with that lynching of Marrow, though Hawkeye did most of the work there. I'm curious of what others think here? I'm leaning civvie, but that's based on what Sunfire had said, not playstyle.

Deadpool - He's made a couple good points around a bunch of other less helpful inclinations. The thing that has pinged me the most are the several times that he has asked others where he should vote. Is it just lack of caring, or conforming? I probably would vote him if he was on the poll.

Havok - I was quite suspicious of Havok several days ago, but we have seen eye-to-eye on a lot of things since then. I guess I'm still leaning civ on Havok.

Longshot - Another player I've overlooked. He seems aloof to me, but that could just be since we've had zero interaction. I'd still lean civ.

Mikhail Rasputin - Like Havok, I was suspicious of him before, but we've agreed on many things since then, swinging my scumdar the other way. He sometimes makes his agenda quite clear, but I'd still lean civ.

Sebastion Shaw - I agree with what Mikhail said, that he's probably civ. The flavor of the lynch survival points to a particular role, and I'm willing to believe that he is that one. Some longer posts would be nice though.

Shadowcat - When she posts, she's typically been semi-helpful. I'd still say she's civ based on the Exodus/Domino incident.

Spiral - I've waffled on Spiral, and lately I've been leaning towards bad. I'm still trying to figure out if that's just an OMGUS reaction, or if it's a legitimate reaction. I'll think more on this, but I'll probably vote him today anyway for self-prez

White Queen - I think she's Apocalypse. But there's nothing I can do about it (that I know of).

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Spiral wrote:Is anyone else weirded out that no one died between Nights 3 and 5 (other than lynched people) and Pyro started killing between those days.

That is a good point. I'd assume that Sabertooth is dead then, but who could it have been? Dazzler's kill could have backfired, meaning he was Sabertooth, but that would just disprove Shadowcat's information about Exodus.

I guess Scarlet Witch could have been Sabertooth, but Sabertooth also killed after she died...

Linki: thanks Elo.

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Sebastian Shaw wrote:I think you are making fun of me.

Are you roleclaiming?

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I just realized that myself. Apparently someone thinks Deadpool is civvie.

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That's two votes with kind of half-assed reasoning. I don't like the looks of it. I'll probably end up voting for Deadpool for self-preservation.

In the meantime, I'll do a little more research and post my thoughts just in case I am lynched. I just realized we are getting very close to the deadline and there are only two votes.

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White Queen wrote:Once again, Rasputin, although only 2 roles show lynch survival as a role related thing, 4 (or 5?) people have survived NKs, with the same number of roles showing this possibility. So I think role related reasoning does zero to exonerate anyone. It is a possibility, but not the only one. I am also curious that, with those 4-5 NK survivors, no one has made that supposition regarding me and even tried to NK or lynch me again.

Eloh made a good point about that. Not that i want you to, but the string of suppositions in this game baffles me.

Lynch survival and NK survival are two different things. I'm not sure we're all on the same page here.

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Longshot wrote:Hi all, I'm now in a place with internet and just skimmed over the last couple of posts where people were talking about Shaw and Polaris. I need to go back and find the place where I left off and at least skim through the posts that I missed. Is there anything in particular I should be looking for or anything in particular I should pay very careful attention to?

It seems like we're at a standstill today. Mikhail thinks Shaw is good and doesn't want people voting for him. I can understand the explanation he offered (which you should check out too), but I still don't like what Shaw has to offer.

Anywho, I think we should try to lynch someone today who has not survived a NK. Since the Sentinels are now dead, the other NK survivors are presumably civvies (possibly rescued) or indies, and my understanding of Omega Red is that he is not necessarily a threat, while Apocalypse is just an unlynchable. Thoughts on this?

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Spiral wrote:I am placing a vote on Polaris for now. I do not want to miss the poll. It seems like no one wants to talk today.

Why?

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Spiral wrote:
Mikhail Rasputin wrote:
White Queen wrote:There is a civ reason, and an Apocalypse reason. But then there are the same two reasons for surviving an NK, and we have had four (I think, that was where I stopped counting) NK survivors. So non role related stuff is happening.

But if I recall, the day after his survival, he was not votable (Off the poll? Silenced?) and we moved on.
Shaw is votable, so idk what this means.

The Sentinels do have secrets, like Spiral said. I personally think Shaw is almost assuredly civ. Sure, he's been unhelpful, and he's clearly one of the "avant-garde" mafia players, as I've heard them referred to, but the way the lynch post read to me and the survival itself jive with the civ explanation. I will absolutely not vote Shaw today, and I'll be kinda suspicious of people who do. That's just me, though.

I do think Deadpool could be bad, but I'm still undecided on him. I do really still wanna hear his case on Spiral, so I hope he actually posts one.
He won't because there isn't one to be made, tbh.

Then, I am at a loss. In the past I have suspected Polaris?

You don't want to end up on Mikhail's suspect list, so you're defaulting to me as a suspect?

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Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Oh! And I know we all still don't know what Danger Room IDs do, but does anyone think it's weird that a deadie got one? And is this the first time that's happened?

No Marrow's came up on the previous phase, but I think that was the first one from a dead player. And Epi did provide us with a very vague clue.

Epignosis wrote:
Havok wrote:Since our awesome host was willing to be helpful with the night poll....

Epignosis: What is the significance of the Danger Room IDs?
They provide The Danger Room with critical information that may or may not be used against you.

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Spiral wrote:
Mikhail Rasputin wrote:We did not! Great discussion to have, imo.
I don't trust Shaw one bit. He refuses to contribute to the game and does not participate in any discussions about anyone-- unless that discussion is about himself. I don't know why he survived, but I know that no one is clamoring on him for being apocalypse.

In addition, White Queen, I am sure that the secrets must have a lynch stop in there. That would tend towards civvie. I am feeling a bit lost. :/

Hawkeye did survive a night kill and he was the Sentinels. So there is an example of somebody surviving without a known cause.

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Maybe? I don't recall hearing a whole lot from you the second half of the day phase. But I don't want to start a fight about it either.

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Havok wrote:
Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Great work, everyone! This game is really turning around quick, in a great way! Once again some very good sleuthing. (I think by Polaris this time?)

Spiral wrote:Do you think Mikhail and Deadpool did a good job?
I do!
Why do you think it was Polaris that brought forth the case on Hawkeye?

Though I had intended to bring the idea to the table before you said anything, you are correct that you had posted it first. I just happened to post more.

I am voting Sebastian. I agree with Mikhail about voting someone I don't trust, and he is the one.

Jack Shephard

Sorry we had to do it while you were away/silenced Hawkeye, but it had to be done.

Nice job everyone. Except Sebastian...

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Epignosis wrote:
Important: Day 9 will end on Saturday, May 3, 2014, at 7pm EST.

T-minus 6 minutes and counting.

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In 7 minutes.

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Mikhail Rasputin wrote:If Hawkeye is lurking and faking, that would be terrible, though. So I may switch based on that. To be fair, though, he's responsible for revealing Apocalypse (I think) and lynching one of two lynched baddies this game. So maybe putting it in his hands wouldn't be such a bad thing. And as I said, he could always be silenced and lynched later. I'll think it over before I leave in 10 minutes.

I understand the sentiment, but if he is the Sentinels, he's still a threat no matter how many baddies/indies he helps us kill.

But I do like your point about us being able to silence/voteblock him later. If they are both still around, that could also work out. But we'll still have players dying each night and every lynch he can join is a risk of another civvie going.

Jack Shephard

Elohcin and Hawkeye are the only two who haven't posted today, so there is a good chance they are both silenced. Not guaranteed, but still likely.

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Per what Bullzeye said, I think that if Magneto is alive and smart, he would rather have the Sentinels lynched now over later. The baddies objectives also state that they need to eliminate the Sentinels to win. There was also the failed kill attempt on Hawkeye by the Brotherhood the other night too.

Anyway, I honestly believe we need to put every vote available on Hawkeye. What if Hawkeye is just lurking and faking a silence, and will pop in at the last minute to put his vote on someone else to kill?

@ Sebastian, why Banshee?

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You'd also risk dying by making that post. I was afraid I would be targeted if I had said something. Looking back though, since you mentioned Hawkeye specifically, it would be far too obvious if he had targeted you for his kill.

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Ok. 14 players alive. 13 not including Hawkeye. Worst-case scenario of 11 votes.

I'll be back on later when I can count properly...

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I screwed up the math again, since Phoenix is dead and it wasn't updated in the OP. So there are 15 players alive. 14 without Hawkeye. Possibly 12 including those silenced/voteblocked.

I don't think voting anyone else will help. It is an odd day, so if Magneto did target Hawkeye, then it wouldn't matter. Whoever the votes are transferred to would still be lynched. If Magneto's not involved, then the only way voting someone else would help is if it turns out that Hawkeye is not the Sentinels, and we could hinder the real Sentinels' vote power if we're lucky.

But considering we need to get 10/(12-14) players on board, and given the way voting has gone lately, we need all the help we can get. Another reason not to spread the lynch votes.

Jack Shephard

Good point, I did miss that one.

I'm still looking at everyone else, just in case.

And scratch my numbers, I forgot about the revived players. We've actually got 15 players we would need to get on board, with a possible minimum of 13.

Jack Shephard

Okay, so here is a list of Hawkeye's daily voted trends, and his received votes.

Day 1 - Received no votes, +1 (1) - His vote was insignificant

Day 2 - Received one vote, +0 (1) - His vote was insignificant

Day 3 - Received no votes, +1 (2) - His vote was insignificant

Day 4 - Received no votes, +1 (3) - His vote was insignificant, voted the lynchee

Day 5.1 - Received no votes, +1 (4) - His vote was insignificant

Day 5.2 - Received no votes, +1 (5) - His vote was insignificant, voted the lynchee

Day 6 - Received no votes, +1 (6) - Significant vote, see below

Day 7 - Received no votes, +1 (7) - His vote was insignificant, voted the lynchee

Day 8 - Received no votes (not on poll), +1 (8) - Significant vote, see below

This means that since he has a vote power of nine today (if he can vote), then we need 10 of the other 13 players on this wagon. If two are silenced/voteblocked, we need 10 of 11.

This is all assuming no vote manipulation of any kind of course.

So on Day 6, Havok and Mikhail tied for the lynch lead with 5 votes apiece. White Queen was behind them with 3. No one was lynched that day, but White Queen claimed to have survived the lynch, meaning she received the most votes. And then there is this post. Hawkeye claimed credit for the lynch of White Queen. Yesterday, he voted Marrow, who ended up being lynched while being behind in the vote count 2-4. The only thing that worries me, is that he could be Cyclops, because seemingly in both cases, that vote would have decided the lynch, again assuming no other vote manipulation.

Anyway, I'm also going to look at every other player's vote results to see what may lie there, just in case.

Jack Shephard

I voted Hawkeye as well. Also putting my case together now.

Hawkeye, though I'm convinced that you are the Sentinels, I hope you can still come in and respond.

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Epignosis wrote:X-Men
Must defeat The Brotherhood, The Sentinels, and Apocalypse

Let me also repost this, as these are our objectives. The Sentinels are supposed to be eliminated.

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Epignosis wrote:
Phoenix has been killed by The Sentinels.

So I am going to be looking at Hawkeye today, I know some other have mentioned interest there as well. I'll be posting my case a bit later though. It is also my belief that he is the Sentinels.

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Havok wrote:Did you not read the sentence right before that? I said my theory of the baddies playing a really bold game (Shadowcat and Domino being Brotherhood) was looking more and more like I was wrong. I meant that during the big debate on who is the real Gambit, they likely just sat back and let me run with it.

You didn't put any names in that post. If you meant to say that or were referring to that, you probably should have said so.

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Phoenix wrote:Voting defense. I've always felt more of a protector than a fighter.

Likewise.

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Havok wrote:Yeah, I figured, Bullz. That's why the twisty words was directed at Polaris.

Also, I have a theory about who the sentinels is. Hawkeye has only been voted for in one lynch so far in this game, so if he was The Sentinels his vote is currently worth 7. Think back to the day that Rasputin and myself were tied and White Queen had 3 votes. I don't think we ever got a clear answer on whether or not White Queen was actually the one up for the lynch, but I think it's more than likely that she was. Anyway, Hawkeye basically took credit for that. He made a post saying that he thought he could affect the lynch in such a way as to lynch White Queen by himself. And then yesterday's lynch, Marrow is lynched while having fewer votes than 2 other people.

Anyway, that is what popped into my head after reading the lynch result. Question: Is there any evidence that would go against this that perhaps I'm not remembering at the moment? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we got Marrow out, but we also need the sentinels out.

You're bold. I was going to wait until the day phase to say something about that.

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Havok wrote:
Polaris wrote:
Havok wrote:So sorry I missed the vote today, guys. Congrats on finding a baddie! It looks as though I was totally off about my idea of the brotherhood playing a bold game. It looks as though they were sitting back and letting us go after each other. lol. I haven't been able to have much free time the past 2 days, but I will catch up on everything in the morning.
We've officially successfully lynched a baddie finally, and they just happened to be the quietest player, and so you think the baddies are all just playing low-key? I doubt they all are, I'm definitely disagreeing with you here.
That's not what I said. I didn't say they were all playing low key.

Maybe you didn't say the words 'low key', but your post reads that exact idea. If you were trying to imply something else, I didn't get it then.

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Havok wrote:So sorry I missed the vote today, guys. Congrats on finding a baddie! It looks as though I was totally off about my idea of the brotherhood playing a bold game. It looks as though they were sitting back and letting us go after each other. lol. I haven't been able to have much free time the past 2 days, but I will catch up on everything in the morning.

We've officially successfully lynched a baddie finally, and they just happened to be the quietest player, and so you think the baddies are all just playing low-key? I doubt they all are, I'm definitely disagreeing with you here.

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Hawkeye wrote:It is very likely that I had been targeted by Magneto on Night 6 for Day 7. V, I think you might have unknowingly saved me and one other person by choosing Shaw. Thanks. So looking at the day 7 poll, there are a few possibilities. My best guess is, we're likely to find at least one baddie in the following group: Marrow, Polaris, Deadpool. Of the three I would be willing to vote for the former because she seems like the one most likely to be protected by Magneto. I don't know if she can be targeted again tough. What I do know is that I am safe today, but I don't want to endanger anyone in case any of those I have mentioned are protected. I'm open to suggestions. Also, I am leaving in an hour.

This may make sense in your head, but I'm having a damn hard time following the logic here.

Jack Shephard

Still 5 players who have not posted yet today.

Havok, Marrow, Mikhail, Sebastian, and The Vision

I'm just going to assume that Marrow and Sebastian are being their standard inactive selves, but what about the other three? Especially Havok and Mikhail.

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I'm also convinced that Shadowcat is civvie, and that's the only player I trust is good right now. I don't think even Professor X could sway my opinion there.

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This was my theory earlier, and tbh, I'm still partially-convinced it was true. Especially considering Sunfire's flip, and the 'information' Professor X passed on before and after his lynch.

Polaris wrote:Just a theory on Professor X. Maybe he had found Sunfire and recruited him. He wanted to recruit Cyclops next, and so he wanted no one to vote for Sunfire except for Cyclops (hence the info he passed on). A bit of a stretch, but after Sunfire's flip it seems slightly possible.

@White Queen. I was only being half-serious on that comment. And I was trying to imply Epi was just posting generic comments rather than someone else posing as Prof X.

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White Queen wrote:
Banshee wrote:I feel like Professor X is just fucking with us at this point. :0 It seems like earlier on he was generally much more helpful.
Why would a civvie be fucking with us?

Maybe he's dead and he's not actually saying this?

Jack Shephard

Epignosis wrote:A message from Professor X:

All of your assumptions are wrong. Vote the opposite of what your instincts tell you, and good results will follow.

Thanks Professor, I'm sure you're talking to someone(s) specifically then.

Jack Shephard

Spiral wrote:So, what do we make of Shaw's survival yesterday?

Oh, presents...

I don't even know anymore tbh. I'll get going later on a tally of everyone's who's died or survived some sort of kill.

It seems Avalanche's previous survival was one time thing? I'm wondering what to make of the fact that he survived a kill from the Brotherhood, but not from the Sentinels.

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