The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Tomorrow when I am rested I can give this game my full Mafia focus. I'm finally only in one game.

Cheerleader wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Damn. I was hoping an element would be killed. Better than a civ being gone though. Do we have enough numbers to lynch a mafia today? I'm concerned that at this point civs cannot win the game at all, no matter what happens today???
Also...weed (which we lynched last phase) has voted for DF today.....whatever that might mean.

Lol u make me laugh.
We tried to help u.
but now we just dont care. we culdnt sigh any louder n our btsc about u civs.
Whatevs. Still rootin for the camerata aka JJJ and Drumbeats. It's only a matter of time.

I'm goign 2 state cheer competition tomorrow. Wish me luck! Xoxoxoxo

kneel4justice wrote:Damn. I was hoping an element would be killed. Better than a civ being gone though. Do we have enough numbers to lynch a mafia today? I'm concerned that at this point civs cannot win the game at all, no matter what happens today???
Also...weed (which we lynched last phase) has voted for DF today.....whatever that might mean.

nijuukyugou wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We know what every Process element in the poll can do today aside from Luna if that applies.

The Process can still exert too much control over the lynch because it has two votes that count for something -- Fetch and Weed. I think we need to lynch one of those today.

Of course you do, so you can buy more time for your team and people will avoid voting you and seeing you for the baddie you are. Two confirmed civs (assuming NK'ed llama was a civ, which I will most certainly assume) knew it, saw or knew something we didn't, and tried to show it with their crazy votes, but were too busy to prove it beyond that, it seems. Lucky you.

But I'm not too busy. I'm done with work. And I'm coming for you, Jimmy.

DrumBeats wrote:If I were mafia an element would've been shot last night, and much sooner than they were in the game. That simple

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:llama being killed indicates he was neither mafia nor Process, and I thought he was a good candidate for both. I need to reassess this game; there are only two town left after me. When this basketball game ends I'll start trying to look at everyone from a fresh perspective.

nijuukyugou wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:GUYS I JUST FOUND OUT WHAT LUNA IS!

If you look at the Transistor wiki (http://transistor.wikia.com/wiki/Sandbox) page here apparently Luna is a friendly Fetch found in the game's sandbox mode.

Additionally, the lack of a kill means that mafia either shot the Process, shot an element protected by Cheerleader, or shot a civ protected by a doctor if that is still present in the game. Operator's role is interesting and better taken out before the others die, so I am happy it is out, though the fact that it didn't have a vote makes me feel that it might not have been the best lynch option.

Process elements I would be willing to vote today: Man or Fetch

I feel like elements are still the way to go for now. It would be best to err on the safe side with them before we fight the civ vs mafia war that could drop our numbers below that of the Process.

I might be crucified for saying this, but no way, dude. The mafia misses a kill, giving us an advantage when they have (presumably, barring shenanigans) TWO members left this late in the game, and you want to waste the precious day on a Process element? I understand your numbers analysis. I appreciate that you're not ignoring a dangerous indy. But this focus away from baddie hunting for so long is starting to smell. Bad. I agree with JJJ - Epi may be evil, but he's not SO unbalanced (game-wise; can't speak for his mental state :P ) that we couldn't use the day to hunt baddies.

I'll be doing some vote listy-analysis that's helped me in the past to organize my thoughts, now that I'm able to focus more again. Will post. Will discuss. Would like to see others' thoughts on this matter, too.

...Where is everyone?

DrumBeats wrote:Mafia, if you don't want to lose, you should shoot an element. If you shoot a civ tonight then the minumum voting spread would be 4/2/3 (Process + Badcell + Weed). That's not too bad, but then we have the maximum, which would be if Man, Fetch, Luna, and clucker have votes. That would put us at 4/2/7 and it would be autolose for everyone but Process. Autolose would still occur if only three of them had votes, putting us at 4/2/6.

agleaminranks wrote:Argh. If JJJ is a baddy, he is playing one hell of a good civ game. That level of analysis is stupendous.

I'm actually surprised at the result of his analysis with me. Frankly, if I were outside looking in, I would be hella suspicious of myself. I misplaced faith in two people who flipped bad when I doubted them originally. That would just look like bad attempts at distancing, and I haven't participated in a successful baddy lynch yet.
I know I'm good, but if I didn't have that insight, I would think I were bad. Which, if I had to have a suspicion of JJJ, would be the only one I could make: it would be that if he were bad, he would know I wasn't, and could use that to his advantage if I were lynched. But I want to believe JJJ is good just by how useful his analyses have been as a whole. It just seems highly unlikely to me that someone would be willing to go to those levels if they were lying through their teeth.

I'm a little inclined to agree with his analysis at the end here. llama has been tunneling JJJ since Night 2, apart from the one vote on the nutella train. Mac has agreed with llama in a couple of posts and done somehow even less to support his votes. I don't like either of the two.

I'm voting Mac.

Man wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Seriously guys, let's not be dumb here. Based on the number of votes we know Process to currently possess and the 5/2/1 ratio we know to currently exist, we HAVE to lynch an element today.

If we were to misfire and hit town, we would be down to 4/2/1, which ordinarily isn't bad, but when the 1 at the end is guaranteed at least 3 additional votes through elements, it effectively becomes 4/2/4. If after that the mafia kills one of us instead of an element it would drop down to 3/2/4, EVERY TOWN AND MAFIA PLAYER WOULD HAVE TO VOTE THE SAME WAY IN ORDER TO STOP THE PROCESS. And that is assuming that the Process does not have any more latent vote power through elements we've yet to see.

Basically, if we mislynch a townie, today is auto lose for both the town and the mafia. If we lynch the mafia, we will be in relatively good shape, but would need to take out elements following that to stay alive. If we lynch the Process then we will likely be at MILO the next day due to mafia killing a civ. If we lynch an element, then we prevent autolose by Process votes, scum can't really target us tonight if they want a shot at winning because they're low enough in number at this point to not stand a chance against process alone. We NEED to back and forth lynch/shoot elements before acting elsewhere or it is very likely we will lose.

I just counted and only about one-third of your posts consist of you looking for mafia. A majority of your posts focus on Process hunting instead. Even some of the posts I counted as "scum hunting", for the majority of some of those posts you were discussing the Process.

Really I hate to be that cliche sock puppet who comes at you but why aren't you interested in finding the Camerata?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Should I bother asking, Cheerleader?

MacDougall wrote:I think it is strange that you would say that to me considering you voted for me. The inconsistency makes me think your offer is fairly self serving.

DrumBeats wrote:I just looked back at agleam's ISO, and I am not a fan. I've got to go in a sec, so I'm not going to pull quotes, but I highly encourage everyone to look back on it.

Agleam's opinions on Elo were all over the place. He consistently referred to Elo as a "helpful civilian" but would then say she pinged him, but provide a statement afterwards to nullify the suspicion such as "I'll give her the benefit of the doubt" or "Not sure what to make of it"

Then comes Agleam's interactions with MP, in which he suspects and votes him the day Elo was lynched, a safe time to place a distancing vote. However, in his next post, he nullifies his suspicion on MP by saying that the revelation of Royce's role makes it so he cannot hold onto the suspicion. The problem is iirc, Royce's role was revealed before Agleam voiced the suspicion anyway.

I still think lynching Creep is the best option for today, because if agleam ended up a mislynch and mafia kills a town memeber successfully we would be down to 3/2/1 and Process would have at least 3 votes (Creep, Badcell, Weed's negative vote) And that is not considering Clucker, Fetch, Man, Jerk, or whoever this Luna is. That would put the votes at 3/2/4 at minimum, which would mean that literally every non-Process player would have to agree to take out the Process. The more I think about it now the more dangerous the Process is at the moment.

Voting for Creep

thellama73 wrote: Oh, and JJJ? Stop pretending you aren't bad.