The Syndicate

Finnian Metalfox wrote:

Etain Royalskull wrote:What's funny to me is there was a sort of rush to push the thread away from Finnian who was the second lynch candidate for a while now. Low posters get mentioned and then all of a sudden bam a *low poster* gets a vote.

I think I shall vote Finnian.

Uggggggggggh.

Or maybe me at least making some forms of attempts are assuaging the suspicions of some? Is there really no excuse for anyone to drop their suspicion ever? Since there was talk of easy targets earlier, don't I sort of make one? You are the second person so far to drop previous things to come after me. If I get lynched, when I come up civ I think people doing this should really be looked at. I mean the "easy target" I picked I have basically no chance of voting for as I was making note of them, and not really suspecting them.

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Interesting observation Etain. I will hold my vote to see how this shakes out.

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Re-reading Deidre, one thing that sticks in my crawl a bit is the Day 2 vote. Deidre spends a good deal of time talking about Laine, and some time talking about Mainchin, but very quickly plops a vote in for Jorhan Day 2. If we're considering the possibility that Rump's team is using the word to conceal their ACTUAL votes, it's worth noting that perhaps Deidre did a drive-by vote for the "strong" Jorhan case after saying the word at one point, knowing he'd be busy and trusting his team to place his vote wherever it was needed?

Just a thought/theory. Anyway, next I'm off to re-read Lane!

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Laine Crystalsteam wrote:

Shand Azureye wrote:As we move close to the deadline, I once more find myself devoid of any level of certainty. It's uncanny how well the mafia have been hiding thus far. There's just that small element of doubt about Carmen and Finnian which makes me wary of voting for either today. Carmen's alleged role hinting, and Finnian, if he were a baddie would he miss lynch polls, thereby surrendering his nightly powers?

Talking of this later, in the absence of any other strong candidates, I thought it might not be a bad idea to look at low posters who were not missing the lynches. They, I believe, are much more likely to be mafia, flying under the radar, but ensuring that they have full use of their evil powers at night.

I found two names: Fane with 11 posts, and Dierdre with 15. Both have voted in all lynches so far. Anyone have any thoughts on these two? All the other low posters have missed at least one vote.

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All I've noticed about Fane is that, when he does post, it's usually about having too much to read and it being hard for Fane to keep up. This is not unusual and I am in a similar situation. But I still find this odd. Even though I haven't posted much of late, I do manage to catch up on what is being said. This might not mean he is a baddie, but it could be as Fane may be, as you suggest, flying under the radar. I'm not sure, though.

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Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:I voted for Finnian last lynch but the more i have thought about it the more I have decided I let my supreme irritation overcome my logic. If Finnian were nefarious I think his team would have been all over him to cast a ballot, and just told him who he should cast a ballot for so he wouldn't even have to study the thread. Not only would they have wanted him to cast a ballot because they wanted the ballots but because they needed the night power.

This doesn't mean I'm totally dismissing Finnian and saying he's definitely on the sunny side but I'm no longer seeing a reason to ballot for him at this time. For some of you who still see him in the crosshairs, why do you think his not balloting adds up to him being nefarious? Don't you think his team would have been after him and convinced him just to ballot who they say? Maybe I'm missing something important here in the logic.

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Finnian Metalfox wrote:No, it was a terrible post. Quiet you.

Also, I find it weird no one has questioned Anchorete's absence but me. I guess s/he said s/he would be sporadic, but 0 posts since Day 2... Just a thought, eh?

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Etain Royalskull wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:

Etain Royalskull wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:Hard to believe the mafia would waste a lynch switch just to frame Carmen. What purpose does it serve? She was going to be lynched anyway and if CIv why would they care?

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Wait, now I'm a tad more confused than before. Can't the Rumple team easily switch lynches if they are close?

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Yes but why wouyld they if Carmen is civ?

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To frame someone, presumably. But I'm not even sure I buy that, my point was, if they could do it easily and they have a chance to do it daily based on a new word or whathaveyou why not do it? why is it a "waste?" I think I need to look at the roles better.

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Etain Royalskull wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:Hard to believe the mafia would waste a lynch switch just to frame Carmen. What purpose does it serve? She was going to be lynched anyway and if CIv why would they care?

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Wait, now I'm a tad more confused than before. Can't the Rumple team easily switch lynches if they are close?

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Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:Metalfox, in twenty posts spread across some seven periods you have contributed absolutely nothing to our counsel.

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Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Wow, I just realized I hadn't absorbed any of Page 15 since I read it at 5am. There's some good stuff in there. Mainchin, you say you're sure your read on Laine is right?

Eurolyvn, very insightful analysis about Carmen and Fane. I'm now also surprised she never gave Fane a closer look. In my personal opinion, Finnian is still a slightly better candidate for lynching tomorrow, but if you and others want to go for Carmen instead then I'm with you.

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:And any reason you'd be up for a Carmen lynch but not a Finnian one? He missed the poll again yesterday and didn't defend himself or offer any thoughts or suspicions, even though he was on the chopping block. Either he's the least concerned mafia player I've ever met, not voting is related to his power somehow, or he's simply mocking us.

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:So I've been thinking about why no lynch happened yesterday, and I can't think of a single civ reason. It has to be either secret baddie power or prize/night poll related, right? What do people think about which of those two? I think just given the odds and the result, it's probably a safe bet that at least one of Carmen and Finnian is bad, if not both.

I learned in a previous game that if someone is nearly certainly bad and escapes a lynch, it's best to try again to make sure. Feel free to disagree with me on that strategy, though. I propose the following: during the night period today we discuss and come to a conclusion about who to lynch, and try to have most of our thoughts on the table before the day starts to avoid Rumpel's power. If people think that'll hamper the exchange of ideas too much feel free to say so; I'm also game for running a 'normal' lynch if we get enough consensus to minimize the chance of manipulation.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote: A) Despite the backhanded schemey way she went about it, Gobnait is right to say we will benefit from spreading our focus.

And thanks, Queran. I will caution that I think spreading votes too much (like I think we did yesterday) is dangerous, but some divergence in ideas is better than a unanimous lynch like Day 2.

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:Ok, then my time settings on this account are just wrong. I'll fix it. Dang.

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:WTF? Did the poll just end early or is it just me? I thought I had around 45 minutes still?

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:This is a tough day. I don't know if Carmen is bad or not. She has caught my eye at least once, so I can't say she is townie either. I can say that at least 2 or 3 of the players with 1 vote are players I know/or think are good. I'm going to vote Carmen to protect them.

I would not put it past Rumples team to vote Carmen or Finnian though, and say the 'magic word', so that he can steal their public vote and use it how he wishes. Here's hoping for the best possible result for the townies

votes Carmen

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Eloquently put.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:I'm not giving up my crusade against the Gargoyle either, I just want to say. The only reason I didn't vote Gobnait was to avoid tunnel vision. And I genuinely think I caught something with Carmen's "Oh I'll read back on Mainchin and get my own opinion" post.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:Hold your vote on Laine. I am sure she is civ.

Ok. Thats pretty straightforward too. Anyone else who already has a vote that you would look at, besides me or Etain?

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:Hold your vote on Laine. I am sure she is civ.

Ok. Thats pretty straightforward too. Anyone else who already has a vote that you would look at, besides me or Etain?

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I liked Dierdre's straightforward case on Laine, she found a ping and stuck with it. I don't totally trust Mainchin (I was trying until the vote on Etain), and he defended Laine earlier in the game, and because I don't want to spread the votes out further by voting Mainchin again, I'm going to vote Laine too.

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:Mainchin's panic vote for Etain does not sit well with me. I understand having the wrong time settings (daylight savings always catches me up) but voting a low poster on Day 3 seems very weak. On top of him voting a low poster who the host said was having computer issues and that player just showed up to post during this day phase! Even doing a light reading of the thread I'd think that was hard to miss. And if you're going to go the low poster vote route, why not a low poster who has been around all game but won't contribute, like Finnian?

Just seems very odd to me.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

bea wrote:Attention:

The hostesses have learned via their mystic spells and crystal balls that Etain Royalskull is currently having internet connectivity issues. It is our understanding that Etain is working frantically to correct this issue as he is really looking forward to playing this game. Please be patient with him while he gets this issue resolved.

Thank-you so much for your understanding. You may all enjoy some wine for your patience.







see...I can share.....sometimes.....

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Hmm, and Fane slipped a vote in there for Carmen while I was Linki'ed. Fane, I wish you'd have said something. I may have been persuaded to join you in voting Carmen, if only to avoid spreading votes too thin.

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:I just need to decide. Going with Finnian, because his total unwillingness to provide any suspicions whatsoever reminds me a lot of Queran. Speaking of whom, he never did come back and mention those other names he said he'd bring up, despite the fact that this lynch is vital if Bac's numbers are right and has required a lot of discussion.

I'm holding onto hope that Carmen may say something useful once the rl concerns she mentioned clear up.

Linki: Oh no, Mainchin! If you're civ we can't afford to have you throwing away panic votes because of clock errors! Can you give further insight into what made you go with Etain, who just joined us, rather than someone about whom we have information to go on?

Linki x2: Carmen, I think others found random votes for Jorhan strange as well. If I'm understanding Ameerah's point here, I think she's asking why vote him on Day 2 if you thought he was the target of a plot on Day 1, as you are implying?

Shand Azureye wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:I just realised the poll was ending in one minute so voted Etain in a panic. Sorry, it was your low posting and no voting.

I do believe the poll closes in another six hours.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Shand, you did have us switched, it was I who voted Mainchin. You said 'you had your eye on him all game, especially coupled with' the rhenfew post, which was of course misunderstood. Why had you been looking his way prior to that?

I did find the indecisiveness in his posts to be pingy, but he has been more forthright in this day. He indicates that he wants the votes to be spread a bit more today, so that if a townie is lynched, it may reveal the baddie. I am worried that if they are spread too much, Rumplestiltskin will be able to use his power to his advantage?
What say you all to this?

I'm still trying to figure out how spreading the vote would reveal the nefarious ones. How would that work exactly? Usually spreading the vote is to the nefarious one's benefit because people can be lynched with just a few votes. I have an open mind, I'm just still trying to figure out how it would work. Some days I am just dumb.

I am not sure why Mainchin suggested this, but maybe he thinks it would be easier to pin down who voted a possible townie out by looking at posts and comparing them to votes. I am not sure it would be helpful at all, due to the interference of Rumpel.

I have spent my day searching posts for leading questions that would require the use of repetition of certain words in a reply, but to no avail. Other than common mafia words, I've seen nothing.

I have noticed that both Lyle and Grutfud have been conspicuously silent today. Our townie silencer is gone, and I am not sure what to make of this.

Shand Azureye wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:I have never ever voted for Myuki!

Good sir, I owe you a sincere apology! I confused you with the other M -- Miyuki, who was the one who voted for you, not the other way round! You indeed voted for Jorhan on day 2, and I take back what I mentioned in the previous post.

Shand Azureye wrote:I apologize for not participating much today; work has been brutal, and I haven't been able to give the game as much time as it deserves. I've read through and enjoyed the eloquent, well-thought out recent posts. Unfortunately, and this could also have to do with my shattered confidence -- I really believed Jorhan would flip bad -- I'm still not getting any strong pings. What also makes my hands a bit shaky as I move it towards the vote button is Bac's idea that there may be another secret baddie team lurking. If this is correct, then our situation looks very bleak indeed, and we most certainly need to choose our target wisely today.

Right now, I'm fairly certain that Gobnait is a townie (else, he's the best baddie I have ever played against), and I'm feeling good about Bac as well. Despite the Jorhan debacle, I still feel uneasy about Queran, but that may just be because of his style. His eloquence and verbosity I appreciate more than anyone else's in the game, and at the same time, it's these same qualities that also make me a bit apprehensive about his agenda. I certainly don't have anything concrete against him though, and while I don't feel comfortable voting for him today, my eyes are ever set on him.

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:Mainchin - Table switcher. First to propose the idea that there is at least one mafia at each table and that the hosts may have decreed that. Says he will likely randomize Day 1, then ultimately decides to vote for a low poster, Gaerwen. He defends Laine here when Laine began taking heat for his posts and vote Day 1. He has a couple of posts defending Gobnait (maybe buddying up to him??). And I was somewhat bothered by his post here. At the end he says he will try to find some time to read back and form some opinions of his own, but barring that will vote for "the most satisfactory argument from my esteemed fellow creatures." To me this reads like a nice little set-up for being able to place the blame on someone else's case if a civvie gets lynched again.

Thank you for the synopses Ameerah, that helped me a lot. I've my eyes on all the three players you mention (Mainchin, Laine, and Carmen). Of the three, I find Mainchin the most interesting at this point, especially coupled with the point that Rhinfrew brought up earlier. Mainchin voted for Miyuki at a point when Jorhan was all but sure to be lynched. This could be a simple baddie tactic to stay out of trouble, knowing (as only a baddie can know) that the town would come after the Jorhan-voters when, eventually, it would be revealed that Jorhan was good. This is a minor ping, however, and truth be told, I'm almost as lost today as I was on day 1. I do have to vote soon because I don't know if I will be able to get on the internet before the poll closes. I will give it another hour or so, and hopefully a second read will bring something to my attention that I might have missed in my first. Failing that, I'm leaning towards a Mainchin vote today.

Etain Royalskull wrote:

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:I was sleeping so magnificently until that insolent cat rubbed against my lamp!

Oh, not you Etain, the thrice-eyed!

I see there is much interpretation to be done, and much that requires my wisdom. Give me time.

Insha'Allah, a foe will fall this Day.

*meow meow meow*

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:I am really quite busy with other things at the moment, but at some point today I will try and put forth a case on Gobnait.

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:

Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:Gobnait, could you share what you are still seeing about Queran? I thought the suspicion was based on her vote for Caillic in that it was supposedly saving a bad Johran. Since that turned out to not be true I'm curious what you are seeing at this point.

Yeah, my original case against Queran carries next to no weight now. Basically my ping now is that I wasn't at all satisfied by his defenses from the morning of Day 2 on. In fact, they've reeked of insincerity to me. The most notable example is his accusation that I was "NO U"ing him and then later deciding to vote me after I had voted him, when it was already clear Jorhan was going to die. That, plus continuous efforts to call me a liar and characterize my statements using mafia jargon (ie NO Uing, backtracking, and others, iirc) instead of having a reasonable discussion about why he's not bad, make me think he is.

However, I think that for today I'll have to look elsewhere for my vote, since others don't seem to share my thoughts and I'd prefer not to throw mine away.

Welcome, Etain! Good to see you, Feline Diviner of Things Undone.

I for one am satisfied by Mainchin's reply to my query, and since I haven't been pinged by anything other than his switch he's out of contention for my vote for the time being. I don't know what to make of Rhinfrew's case on Miyuki since I had been reading them both civ; I think for now it just means he(?) will bear a bit of watching.

I'm frustrated, disheartened, and pinged by Finnian's refusal to contribute suspicions, or really anything of use. Same goes for Laine, to a slightly lesser degree. I also wish Fane would show up and say something. I know he says he's new and seemed to be lacking some confidence, but I think he could contribute to the discussion. The timing of people mentioning pings about him and him disappearing from the thread doesn't give me warm fuzzies, though I don't think it's a major ping yet.

At this point I could see my vote going to Queran if others share my suspicions, or to Carmen or Finnian. I don't think that it's surefire that either Carmen or FInnian is bad though, and my own lack of confidence worries me.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:^My answer was serious.

You would make an excellent court jester, Ironbeast.

You discussed a few vote prospects on day 1, how do you view them now? You also said the arguments for voting Jorhan on day 2 convinced you to vote there. Could you elaborate on that?

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:I agree that we need to hear more from her to know what she's thinking. The idea that she voted Jorhan to clear herself is a clever one.

I've reread most of the posters in the 10-15 post range now. My impressions are far from set in stone, especially with so little to go on, but I thought I'd share anyway.

I don't know what to make of Mainchin yet. His table switch on Day 1 seemed suspect to me (who had incentive to switch? Only baddies, to change their team distribution. All tables were full, and we didn't know what would happen regarding the vote, so there was no reason for a civ to switch). He hasn't said anything super pingy since then though, in my opinion.

Rhinfrew has seemed pretty helpful, and I'm also reading kind of civ on Ameerah, Izett, and Euro Livin' at this point. With a very low degree of certainty, as I said.

I feel less good about Finnian, who has put forward no game-related ideas in any form so far. I'm very torn on Fane, who says he's new, and Lyel, who cited rl reasons for low participation. My thoughts on either of them would be pure guesswork

Does anyone else have a read on the players I mentioned that they'd like to share? I'm trying to generate discussion about players who haven't been discussed much so far

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:And Queran, what are your thoughts on today's lynch? I'm unlikely to believe you, but I saw that you were on and am curious about what you have to say

I'm thinking of voting for you actually.