The Syndicate

Celeste

My suspicion of Dom began with Jay/Sloonei’s comments on him before he got lynched. My suspicion of Marmot formed out of Mac/Epignosis’s red skittling and subsequent review of actions. Both of those two looks were founded on the opinions of players I respect. If I couldn’t read them as bad beyond those initial opinions, I would have to temper my reliance on trusting the suspicions of Sloonei and Epignosis. I’ve witnessed both of them be quite wrong before enough times to know they’re not perfect.

If the game continues on past this lynch, I’ll lay down more detailed cases on both. For now, I’m out of time because I have company coming over. If we’re going to make this vote between Golden and Vompatti, then I will vote for Golden because hell if I can read anything out of Vompatti. My only misgiving there is that Golden hasn’t voted and Vompatti has. That may not mean anything. I don’t know.

Evening, all. Fingers crossed.

Celeste

Addendum to my Vompatti breakdown-

He voted both days, though neither time did he announce his vote in the thread. Day 1 he voted for Marmot. Day 2 he voted for DrWilgy. Are the host posts for the polls reflective of actual vote order? I can't tell if there is anything telling from that in regard to alignment. Again, brick wall.

Celeste

Mármot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:20 pm I disagree that meta doesn’t matter. We chose these socks, we didn’t get them handed to us. You have made a good fist of Epignosis, glorfindels done great, I’ve been my best marmot, dom reads as dom, Mac and jay were good facsimiles, and some people felt wilgy was spot on as well.

The gap between the person who wanted to be golden and what they actually are is meaningful in my opinion. Golden is going to be a harder sock to pull off if they roll bad.

I’m climbing again today, so I won’t be around much.

You're right in that we selected these socks, but who is to say that sock-Golden had Golden at the top of his or her list? I can see some validity in your assertion that Golden meta might be harder to fake as scum but I still need more empirical evidence than meta hunches to drive my vote. That's why I went back to re-read each of you.

[mention]Mármot[/mention] If Golden flips scum, who is the logical teammate in your mind?

Celeste

[mention]Vompattï[/mention]

Pros: One more post than Golden?

Cons: Only one on-topic post. The rest was cryptic meta.

Vompattï wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:15 pm Why wouldn't you vote for me is the real question.

Even still, this post comes after Marmot says he's going to vote for either Golden or Dom. Even then this may be flavored with meta. None of his other posts are directed at anyone, leaving no connections to a potential teammate.

Whoever is behind the sock has done a fine job of erecting a brick wall between him/herself and the rest of us.

Celeste

Starting with the easiest ones:

[mention]Gólden[/mention]
Pros:

Cons:
Potential soft defense of Dom here:

Gólden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:58 pm In my experience, Dom is not a player that "chooses" to go after someone. He probes endlessly of anyone.

That quadruple post from Jay seems very uncharacteristic.

Potential soft defense of Marmot here:

Gólden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:44 pm
Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:57 pm
Dôm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:24 pm
Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:05 pm [VOTE: Dunya] aubergine
no you didn't. Why say you did when you didn't?

same question for marmot; he said he was self voting and he didn't. why?

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Sorry, I forgot.

Does Marmot self-vote when bad? In my opinion it doesn't seem like a good move for mafia.
In my experience, it doesn't matter.

Out-of-left-field post that was never elaborated on or followed up by a vote:

Gólden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:58 pm Wilgy-- your zany appearance makes me think you bad!

Thoughts:
Five posts just isn't enough for me to say anything about him with confidence. I am bothered by those two potential soft defense posts, considering that both of those posts concern players who are still alive and prospective scum. The fact that he didn't vote makes my head hurt because, without any actions to consider, those posts are left to just hang there in the ether. I am trying to ignore the meta factor. Sock-Golden not emulating the real Golden doesn't mean shit and shouldn't be considered at this stage imo.

Celeste

I read through the game thread this morning, trying to be objective in my reading. This afternoon I will read through the thread four more times. Each time I will try to read a different person out of Dom, Golden, Marmot, and Vompatti as bad. We’ll see what that yields.

Anybody else have any thoughts or reflections they’d like to share?

Celeste

If you're saying that you'd rather be outwitted than outwaited, then yes, I can agree to that logic. I don't think anyone likes losing that way. It makes the active civvies feel like assholes for cannibalizing each other while the scum team phoned it in.

Choosing between Golden and Vompatti still feels like a coin flip to me though. Neither has much of a breadcrumb trail, which means we have to put our trust in a lot of interpretation. That makes me uneasy. I'm glad we have another day to think about this.

Celeste

As for Glorfidnel's roleclaim- I see no reason to disbelieve it.

Until Marmot's post circling the net on Glorfindel, Golden, and Vompatti, I don't think any of us was suspicious of Glorfindel. At least no one showed any outward signs of it. If he's scum, why would he lose his shit over Marmot's post and make a claim that is one of the easiest to refute? No, if he's scum, he just snickers and goes about his day.

Now I have to wrap my head around the possible combinations of the remaining four. This is complicated by the fact that neither Golden nor Vompatti seem to give much of a shit about posting. Informed decisions are hard to make when there's so little information.

Celeste

I wrote the following down prior to Glorfindel's post. I want to post this and then circle back to Glorfindel's revelations:

The situation we are in bugs me.

[mention]Dôm[/mention] still strikes me as scum but he's not as high on other peoples' radars. That bugs me.

I still can't find a side to fall on with [mention]Mármot[/mention]. At this stage of the game, that bugs me.

[mention]Gólden[/mention] and [mention]Vompattï[/mention] haven't done shit for days and are, at this point, interchangeable, which bugs me.

This game has been too damned quiet and that plays into the hands of the mafia.

Celeste

If Glorfindel is scum then I think we’re fucked and I need to take a break for letting myself get played so hard. I’ll go back and see if I read him the same way you do but, for right now, I just don’t see it. More on the rest of you in a bit.

Celeste

What the fuck does 'disingenuous' even mean in a sock game where everything can be skewed by meta roleplay?

Celeste

What in the literal hell happened in here last night?

Celeste

[mention]Gólden[/mention]

Gólden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:58 pm Wilgy-- your zany appearance makes me think you bad!

Why?

PS- post more.

[mention]MacDöugall[/mention]
Oh, you're still playing? Thanks for showing up.

MacDöugall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:15 am
Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:52 am
MacDöugall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:39 am I think you are a civ. DrWilgy is a civ. Epignosis and Dom are sus. Vompatti and Golden are null. Marmot is scum.
Why is Marmot a scumster?
The guy jumped on the Jimmy wagon for no reason even tho he said Golden was off and now he's gone right back to the Golden well. He's taking easy lynches.

Mármot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:28 pm Because there was no poll. Then I went climbing. I forgot to come back and actually put the vote on the poll.

You know who isn't themselves? Golden. He's only posted an image and something about Dom not liking baseball. That's just wrong, something is off.

[VOTE: golden] aubergine

Looks like I'm breaking a tie. you can thank me later.
Plus he scumslipped and used the word actually. Epigonsis agrees.

That's not how I read Marmot but to each his own. One adverb that makes justifiable sense is forgivable. Two or more adverbs become suspicious.

[mention]Mármot[/mention]
I can't place him just yet but nothing has caused me alarm. He appears to be trying, which is more than I can say for some of you, which brings me to...

[mention]Vompattï[/mention]

Epignósis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:00 pmWe have enough slackers as it is in this game and that's dangerous.

Two posts later...

Vompattï wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:43 pm I checked myself last night. Turns out I'm good.

It's like magic, isn't it?

PS- post more.

Celeste

[mention]Dr.Wilgy[/mention]
He's chosen a clever wall of meta to hide behind. Rainbow lists are bullshit in general but it gives the appearance of being helpful, making him seem harmless. If I were to cater to such frivolities, I would place Marmot in a yellowish green color, so I'm sorry but I don't see what you're pecking at there. Otherwise, I don't mind his actual lists, or most of the placements on them, but he will have to elaborate a little more in time.

[mention]Glōrfindel[/mention]
He asked a lot of what appeared to be random questions early on but he's narrowing and honing in on things. That's good town behavior. I had a meta laugh with him and he stood his ground. That also works in his favor. He's wrong about me, but two out of three ain't bad. I do have to ask though...

Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:18 am I think I know who is under Dom's skin suit and I think they are town in that light.

I will vote for Golden.

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

Why Golden?

Celeste

Contrary to popular belief, stomach bugs are capable of knocking Skeletor on his ass. Now then, allow me to address a few things:

[mention]Dôm[/mention]

Dôm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:59 am Sorry I have been quiet, I have been busy elsewhere, and I plan to be here more tonight.

First, It's fun that I am getting suspish for a cheesy day one vote, when every vote in this game was pretty much a cheesy vote. The only discussion had been meta jokes and FauxJay trying way too hard to turn meta jokes into "scum hunting".

When I first voted, I voted for Marmot, for saying he was voting then not voting. So I said I would take it off him if he came back. At that time there was a four way tie,one vote each. It was not much, but none of the votes to that point was for any real reason that I could see.

Dôm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:34 pm
Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:57 pm
Dôm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:24 pm
Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:05 pm [VOTE: Dunya] aubergine
no you didn't. Why say you did when you didn't?

same question for marmot; he said he was self voting and he didn't. why?

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Sorry, I forgot.

Does Marmot self-vote when bad? In my opinion it doesn't seem like a good move for mafia.
He does it good or bad iirc, but I voted him for saying he did and not doing it. If he comes back I will move it if someone pings me more. But that vote/not vote stuck out the most to me so far. regarless of real Marmots meta.

linki, there he is.

Isn't Day 1 of most sock games meta stuff? I am still waiting for Epi to attack me
When I came back, it was a two way tie, Marmot and FauxJ with maybe 4 votes each, I don't recall. I did not particularly suspect Marmot, and did not really want to lynch him, especially when I said I would move my vote if he voted, and he had. so I switched it to the other guy. Who had pinged me, he was too manic. I thought he was trying too hard.

So there you go. If I had not switched the vote off of Marmot when I said I would, you all would be saying I was bad for that. Had I voted for a tangent third party, you would have said the same. But I felt bad voting for someone when I said I would take the vote off.

And this,

Epignósis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:00 pm I will vote for Dom as well. I think Sloonei/Jay caught onto something when calling Dom out for masquerading subtle set-up shade as meta. It's tangible, unlike the PIA POE bullshit he's fond of.

Dom also didn't react to my swipe at him:

Dôm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:48 pm
Epignósis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:41 pm
Dôm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:34 pm
Isn't Day 1 of most sock games meta stuff? I am still waiting for Epi to attack me
Sorry, I was celebrating the meaningless social construct of my sky-god incarnate dying for our sins and triumphing over death.

Now I’m going to drink beer and check my fantasy sports wagers.
Oh OK. Maybe later.
Either he didn't realize that the real Dom would have seen that for the pseudo-intellectual putdown that it was or he didn't want to get into it with me in the first place. And why would he want to with time left on the clock and a sloppy mislynch train in full swing on Jay?

Let's not just dump votes on Dom though. We have enough slackers as it is in this game and that's dangerous.
I caught your pseudo intellectual put down, but while I at first thought it might have been funny to have a bit of back and forth, I decided that since there appeared to be real tension with them in another game, adding fuel to the fire might not be wise or kind, so I played it for the lulz.

I realize I was the one who poked you to "attack" me, my apologies for letting it dangle.

Celeste

I will vote for Dom as well. I think Sloonei/Jay caught onto something when calling Dom out for masquerading subtle set-up shade as meta. It's tangible, unlike the PIA POE bullshit he's fond of.

Dom also didn't react to my swipe at him:

Dôm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:48 pm
Epignósis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:41 pm
Dôm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:34 pm
Isn't Day 1 of most sock games meta stuff? I am still waiting for Epi to attack me
Sorry, I was celebrating the meaningless social construct of my sky-god incarnate dying for our sins and triumphing over death.

Now I’m going to drink beer and check my fantasy sports wagers.
Oh OK. Maybe later.

Either he didn't realize that the real Dom would have seen that for the pseudo-intellectual putdown that it was or he didn't want to get into it with me in the first place. And why would he want to with time left on the clock and a sloppy mislynch train in full swing on Jay?

Let's not just dump votes on Dom though. We have enough slackers as it is in this game and that's dangerous.

Celeste

Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:32 am It's so hard to read people with so few posts, and not knowing who anyone is. But I feel good about Marmot right now, and maybe Golden, for their contributions. Not as great about Epi and Dom. Epi's been avoiding discussion, and I don't like his vote for marmot where it was. Dom just gives me the willies with the reasoning of his vote on Jay...

I want more talking if we can, because I'm not confident in these at all.

Wrong:

Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:50 pm
Epignósis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:42 pm Now we’re talking.

Hey Glorfindel- I have two questions for you:

1) Are you a civvie?
2) Are you mafia?

Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:55 pm I come back to mafia for one special game, leave for 24 hours, and this is what I come back to? I don't know why I even try. I'm not going to be addressing any alignment questions, or questions about alignment questions.

If I'm guilty of avoiding discussion, can I call you Pot?

But what would you like to talk about- the fact that in a game designed around player meta that very few of us even make meta-sense? Because that's where we're at right now as far as I can see.

Celeste

Mármot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:11 pm Epignosis you should join us to be honest.

Okay. I’ll vote for you.

Celeste

Dôm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:34 pm
Isn't Day 1 of most sock games meta stuff? I am still waiting for Epi to attack me

Sorry, I was celebrating the meaningless social construct of my sky-god incarnate dying for our sins and triumphing over death.

Now I’m going to drink beer and check my fantasy sports wagers.

Celeste

Glōrfindel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:55 pm I come back to mafia for one special game, leave for 24 hours, and this is what I come back to? I don't know why I even try. I'm not going to be addressing any alignment questions, or questions about alignment questions.

You’re evading the questions. Why? Are you unable to answer them without lying?

Celeste

Tell you what- I don’t know what I’m more disappointed with: the Astros for shitting the bed, the Rockets for blowing the spread, or this game. Discussion is the town’s best weapon during the day. Empty your holsters folks.

And [mention]Gólden[/mention], use words, you ninny. This isn’t Image Mafia.

Celeste

Now we’re talking.

Hey Glorfindel- I have two questions for you:

1) Are you a civvie?
2) Are you mafia?

Celeste

A disclaimer? Grown-ass men like me don’t need disclaimers. Let’s all cowboy and cowgirl up and play this straight. No emotional nonsense.

I thought this game was supposed to start around 9? The Yankees are fattening my wallet and my other games still hold some promise. I want to ride me a wave of momentum but the host’s not letting anyone in the pool yet.

Celeste

Oh, this thing started? Terrific. I’ll be around for the start of Day 1 because Day 1 is going to start while I’m watching the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, and Astros make me some money.

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