The Syndicate

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sprityo here?

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[VOTE: Bravo] aubergine

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Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:53 pm Kilo is Bravo’s teammate

Can see. Kilo/Delta only team can’t see.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:09 pm Posts since this day phase started:

Alpha - 11
Bravo - 15
Delta - 0
Kilo - 8

the whole "Bravo is inactive" thing doesn't add up

112 posts total. Bravo quieter, not inactive.

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Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 am Alpha - tentative civ read still. I feel less confident than before. I find their recent posts more disjointed, which gives me s one mild concern. But overall, I feel like twenty heir content looks like someone putting the work in. I like Alpha currently.

Bravo - Relies heavily on snark and condescension without substance to back up opinions. I had him as light bad read during my first read list and he has only gave me more reason to find him suspect since then. I don’t feel like he has put in effort to game solve, instead is latching onto one person that he thinks he can get lynched. Looks bad imo. But then again, I’m that person so I may have a bias involved. My big pause is I really do believe Juliet was bad, and I don’t see a lot of teammate compatibility between the two. Looking at him alone however... Still have him as light bad.

Charlie - Solid civ read to me. My early read stand and ha wonky grown from there. Clear effort to game solve.

Foxtrot - What has Foxtrot even done this game? I’m beyond unimpressed with him. I’m downgrading him from null to slight bad read.

Hotel - I can see why people are questioning if Hotel might have been a target for the disguiser, but I feel like the voice change came before the kill. It was towards the end of the first vote, that rp seemed to start to drop. Also, feel as though his thoughts look like a civ trying to consider the possibilities rather than jumping to conclusions. I still think I’d read them as light civ at this point, but I wouldn’t clear them by any means.

Kilo - I overall find that Kilo’s opinions are very similar to my own way which makes me feel like he has a civ mind set. I can’t decide if that is me putting on blinders or not. I think there are some posts that really feel very civ to me. Like his response to Charlie’s post where he votes Alpha. I’d say slight civ read here too.

Right now I would be comfortable putting a vote on Foxtrot or Bravo. Probably preferably Foxtrot because they are putting significantly less effort in than Bravo. I’m open to hearing opposing views on Alpha, Hotel, and Kilo if there is something others think I am missing there. I’ll look at the deadies later.

Only Charlie read strong. Others shaky. Foxtrot vote weak.

Bravo/Delta fight for days. Delta silent now. Bravo maybe disguised.

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Delta/Kilo likely for other scum. Kilo votes Delta. Delta does nothing.

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Possible no disguise.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:57 pm
Alpha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:53 pm
Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:52 pm @Alpha who looks the most like a person wearing different skin today?
Bravo
tell me more

You look fine.
Kilo looks fine.
Disguiser not switch to Delta then dip.
Bravo quieter, early focus on disguiser.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:52 pm @Alpha who looks the most like a person wearing different skin today?

Bravo

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Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:47 pm
Alpha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:47 pm
Was simple misunderstanding. Want be understood.

No scum benefit from Charlie survival.

i've left you alone all game long. i am still alive. there's a reason i am still alive.
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You are barking up the wrong tree. I can't tell you why you are alive. Maybe scum was just avoiding the obvious doctor target.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:41 pm
Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:44 am Dropping voice again because my train of thought here is important. Because no, I don't know why you think that. I misremembered something I did.

When Juliets died, I saw Sprityo's post about it. I was checking in, but didn't have time to read everything. Juliet's death was AFTER the echo post I've just reacted to, and I hadn't read that. So when you suspected me, I assumed it was because I was reacting to something even though I posted later than it. Inconsistency.

Only I hadn't posted later. Misremembered. There was no way you would have known that I jumped in and saw a later post. The false inconsistency that I thought you'd 'seen' didn't actually exist.

So why do you think that?
this entire post is nonsense overexplanation from a mafioso who thinks they've just slipped.

i'm still alive because Alpha benefits from my survival.

[VOTE: Alpha] aubergine

Was simple misunderstanding. Want be understood.

No scum benefit from Charlie survival.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:22 pm we now know with certainty that Juliet was a civilian. so everyone had opportunities to talk about Juliet post-mortem, and that should be revealing. i have provided a few examples in recent posts, and i am still looking for others. i want interpretations immediately.

Dropping the voice to respond to this.

Delta's posts look the worst out of the ones you brought up. They were assuming Juliets was scum and limiting their perspective to one scum left standing. This does not feel honest and may have been intended to mislead the town into accepting their position.

But I can't find any other examples of them doing these other than the two you brought up. So while I suspect them slightly for this it is not very strong.

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Delta not posting only reason feel okay. Strategy in scum kill. Missing scum not strategy.

linki - Hello Charlie

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Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:46 pm Yeah I really don't see why mafia would kill Hotel.

Then again this same mafia killed India.

Not see why know India not disguiser. LYLO mean both alive.

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Hotel probably disguiser. Maybe was India first. Not important. Find new disguiser today.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:08 pm they all flipped horses at the last second and i didn't react fast enough before the poll expired

Does make some better. Okay.

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Want assume Charlie town.

Now unable. Help.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:32 pm a mafioso who wants to remain alive does not intrinsically care who gets lynched in their stead.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:59 am D-1-C
F-3-D,H,K
K-3-A,B,F

What fresh hell

Understand Charlie flip on Kilo. That leave Foxtrot and Delta 'Meh.' Not vote Foxtrot?

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Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:26 pm i appreciate that 1) kilo was selective with their self-preservation and 2) they're content in the end to choose Foxtrot, who if a mislynch is easy game-winning bait at LyLo

Not see why Foxtrot need not survive game. Too late.

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Bravo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:03 pm It would be hilarious if Charlie is taking the piss

Not funny. Considered, but nothing can do if case.

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[VOTE: Kilo] aubergine

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Will lynch Delta/Kilo

Can move vote

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Want lynch Fox voters

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

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what dick

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Vote any bottom three. Considering.

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Alpha
Charlie
Foxtrot
Bravo
Hotel
Delta
Kilo

Rainbow

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Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 am Foxtrot - What has Foxtrot even done this game? I’m beyond unimpressed with him. I’m downgrading him from null to slight bad read.

Opinion: Associating Foxtrot play with scum not honest. Consider Delta only two scumread, Foxtrot Bravo, this reaching.

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Hotel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:56 pm
Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:17 pm This look language someone not used to capital in mafia. Real Hotel slipping, because they not usual capital? Or replacement under pressure?
This is the only post I could find which resembles the thing that Delta was talking about in their "read" on me. But Alpha is not eyeballing me for dropping my roleplay, they are eyeballing me for dropping a few capital letters. Which feels just as weak. On the one hand, at least they're looking past the too-simple basis for baloney suspicion, but on the other hand it almost feels as if they wanted to accuse me of switching bodies for the lost roleplay but were afraid of pursuing such an obviously weak angle, and so they poked at something else instead.

The same person has occupied this skinn from Day 1.

Not intention. Check tone, if feel forced, problem. Subtle thing. What good disguiser drop obvious roleplay right when switch?

Tone change may coincide roleplay drop, not reliable indicator. Not enough lynch you.

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sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:26 pm yes, it does

Ah time nice because busy today

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Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:24 pm i can generally agree regarding Hotel, Alpha. my recognition of the character of Hotel's posts diminishes after Night 1, and it isn't just the roleplay. i'm less concerned with capitalization and more concerned with the tone and structure of sentences. pre-Day 2, i see a friendly, inquisitive individual with a splash of roleplay. post-Night 1, i see an emotionless analyst

Activity falloff too.

Possible extra indicate disguise India. But not certain.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:16 pm
Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:08 pm
Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:53 am [VOTE: Kilo] aubergine
This because Kilo weird defensive thing, tone, then disappear? Or other reason?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgree with those
they've been more self-aware than most. Echo was also the one who was most animated about lynching them.

This assume echo not disguiser. Not bad assumption, just note

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Spoiler: show

Hotel problem.

Roleplay dropped when needed, like my scream. That fine. But grammar is suspect.
If Hotel replace disguiser night one, may explain. Grammar after night one very force. Stiff language, no abbreviate. Feels more stiff than before. Example.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alpa] aubergine. I do not like this vote. I do not like that Alpha was cautious about sheeping Echo too much. I do not know if I believe either of the tells they mentioned are real things.

But there is slip after.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:04 pm
Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:01 pm
Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:04 pm So... I guess this makes all previous reads unrealiable?
I do not like the underlying intention of this post.

The logic is disagreeable, given that there is still probably a wolf wearing the same sheepskin here, and the comment only serves to reset civilian reads. I do not see why a civilian would have this opinion.
it is hyperbolic. there is a need to reset some reads. there is no need to throw day 1 out the window.

This look language someone not used to capital in mafia. Real Hotel slipping, because they not usual capital? Or replacement under pressure?

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Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:53 am [VOTE: Kilo] aubergine

This because Kilo weird defensive thing, tone, then disappear? Or other reason?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgree with those

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Kilo should be no

Mixed up list

Alpha - yes
Bravo - no
Charlie - very yes
Delta - middle
Foxtrot - no
Hotel - yes before stop being hotel, now no
Kilo - no

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very yes because effort, not because meta knowledge that nobody know

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Difficult for disguiser to be now

Alpha - yes
Bravo - no
Charlie - very yes
Delta - middle
Foxtrot - no
Hotel - yes before stop being hotel, now no
Kilo - yes

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Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:52 am
Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:44 am. . .

Dropping voice again because my train of thought here is important. Because no, I don't know why you think that. I misremembered something I did.

When Juliets died, I saw Sprityo's post about it. I was checking in, but didn't have time to read everything. Juliet's death was AFTER the echo post I've just reacted to, and I hadn't read that. So when you suspected me, I assumed it was because I was reacting to something even though I posted later than it. Inconsistency.

Only I hadn't posted later. Misremembered. There was no way you would have known that I jumped in and saw a later post. The false inconsistency that I thought you'd 'seen' didn't actually exist.

So why do you think that?
i've read this four times, and i still can't figure out what you mean. please rephrase.

i don't think it anymore. i didn't recognize the voice in your initial bit there that i accused, and the sequence of quoting some echo post followed by "oh derp" looked fake.

I thought I had posted after the Echo post I'd just reacted to. Since I didn't react to the Echo post until now, I'd assumed you were calling me out on the inconsistency.

But I'd only checked for the night post, and had not posted. There was no inconsistency for you to call me out on.

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Will determine readlist today

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Do think Echo could be disguiser though

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Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:38 am
Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:36 am
Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:27 am
Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:15 amOh Echo died
no he didn't. he's you.

[VOTE: Alpha] aubergine
Can see why you think that

But no
why do i think that

. . .

Dropping voice again because my train of thought here is important. Because no, I don't know why you think that. I misremembered something I did.

When Juliets died, I saw Sprityo's post about it. I was checking in, but didn't have time to read everything. Juliet's death was AFTER the echo post I've just reacted to, and I hadn't read that. So when you suspected me, I assumed it was because I was reacting to something even though I posted later than it. Inconsistency.

Only I hadn't posted later. Misremembered. There was no way you would have known that I jumped in and saw a later post. The false inconsistency that I thought you'd 'seen' didn't actually exist.

So why do you think that?

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Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:27 am
Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:15 amOh Echo died
no he didn't. he's you.

[VOTE: Alpha] aubergine

Can see why you think that

But no

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Oh Echo died

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Echo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:28 pm I didn't ask the host because I assume that he left that particular thing ambiguous for a reason. I also wanted to use it as a discussion point to create more content from. ie. I am quite sure that you are now being town read by Charlie because of this... I have yet to determine whether I agree with him. I have a theory about you.

Egghh

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On note we get no flip unless oracle exist and die. If Juliet scum we not know. No lynching for info, only for scum.

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Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:07 pm
Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:06 pm
Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:05 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:31 pm Sure they do, they’re probably someone else now.
Wait, that's not how it works, is it? If mafia targeted a player to kill and assume control of their account, I don't think the kill would be announced to the thread.
Why not? How can we even distinguish it from a normal kill?
I assume we would see "no kill" and one of the accounts would secretly switch owners.

This another gambit thing. Not as strong pushed as the other one mentioned. More genuine, or just better fake.
Not make sense, though. Falls apart with look.

Not thinking Juliet can say thing to change way I look at this.

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Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:12 pm @Alpha what are you waiting for with your vote

deadline in 5 hours. someone tell me why Juliet is a civilian

Because they not dead?
But maybe not disguiser. Death and rebirth not option.

I'm liking vote there.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

Is a thing I want to talk about, but will post again.

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Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.

Is this real life?

Is terrible

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I am dropping the weird voice for one post. This is important and I am unsure about it.

Echo has claimed to believe that there are possibly two kills in the game. He/she/they/it has argued about this, asked for proof, and badgered people about the answers.

The rules at the beginning of the game do not make this clear. I checked. They don't. But mafia would know one way or another by day two, and Echo supposedly didn't.

Why did Echo not ask the host?

Echo's ignorance is not genuine. If they wanted to know, they could have easily asked privately. And further, I'd say that if they have any conception of game balance, they would already know the answer. And even further, this setup was played on this site before. So we are faced with two options:

Echo is pleading ignorance for a hard townread. It is a scum gambit.
Echo is prodding others to see why they assumed there would only be one kill. It is a town gambit, and a nearly useless one for the reasons stated above.

I would like a response from Echo. If the ignorance is genuine, why not ask the host? If it's not, what do you hope to accomplish?

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Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:33 pm Hence why I am asking this question Delta. There are other ways a second kill does not appear. Quite basic and ordinary civilian roles exist to prevent Mafia kills.

I never even remotely entertained the notion that there was only one kill until this flip and nobody batted an eyelid. I was entirely under the impression the disguiser kill was an additional one.

This setup run before with only one kill

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Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:47 pm I am surprised, as I was expecting two deaths. I did not expect the disguiser kill to replace the factional kill, but rather to be an additional kill to the regularly scheduled factional kill.

If I believe this, you are town

Need to decide if I do.

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