The Syndicate

Well, you know what to do post flip. Gl!

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:31 pm Whatley, what about Steinbrenner man. What about him.

I thought he was covering 4 me

I planned to reveal earlier if needed but work got in the way.

K I'm cop, Leo's a Mafioso. I haven't used my 2nd check. This is why Elaine s claim game spooked me.

[mention]Uncle Leo[/mention] If I vote Frank, what will you do?

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:32 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:31 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.

Would you like me to vote for myself? I will gladly do that. As a matter of fact, moving my vote to me right now since you all are so sure.

VOTE UNCLE LEO.

If you are a civilian and you lynch yourself with the game on the line, that would be the most petulant, despicable thing I've ever seen in a Mafia game. I have played in a lot of Mafia games.

^ This. If your civ, convince me I'm wrong instead of killing yourself.

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:31 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.

Would you like me to vote for myself? I will gladly do that. As a matter of fact, moving my vote to me right now since you all are so sure.

VOTE UNCLE LEO.

What the hell Leo?

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:29 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.

This is a very VERY bad decision, Jerry.

Why though? Why Jerry in specific?

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:35 pm Alright, I'm back, SERENITY NOW'ed, and ready to vote for George now that Jerry has also seen the light. Will look at Whately just to be fair.

He looks to me like a civilian being thrown into the game and wanting to engage with the main posters, make sure they didn't escape suspicion. That both of those main posters have turned out to look eminently civ is just the way the game unfolded.

Joining in Day 2 I was very much fixated on Elaine and Jerry. So much so that I've decided to take a step back and review other leads and questions I have.

The thing that looks worst to me is this.

Regarding my Peterman vote without much reason, truth is there was none other than me wanting to gauge reactions. I figured if Peterman was bad, I should pressure vote and see who scrambles. This didn't happen

That's after previously defending the vote with this:

Interesting. What should I say over his 7 posts that hasn't been said already?

That strikes me as a lack of transparency, which isn't a great look at this point in the game, when we're all really scrambling to solve and avoid LYLO. My gut says it's good for him to come clean rather than fabricate a reason, but I realize that's open to interpretation.

In summary, I still think George is a stronger suspect based on what he's said about Estelle and Jackie.

Regarding this, would you say that this makes sense following my reveal of this being a pressure vote or not? How was my vote supposed to be transparent, when I had no real reason for it other than for observation? I want to know why you are valuing transparency here as it seems to be irrelevant to me.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:12 pm Whatley voting for Leo and not voting for me (to bring the votes 3 against each of us) also reads townie move to me tbh. He had all the reason to build a case and vote for me with Jackie cross references but he chose not to.

I think either of the two leading wagons results in a civ lynch so w/e

During day 3, no one seemed to hard oppose a Peterman vote. The only person that jumped at my pressure vote was you, and I don't think you had malice while jumping at it.

I voted Uncle Leo. It's the only vote I feel good about placing right now.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:52 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:37 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:27 pm Whatley, defending yourself is pointless at this point. Just do that hunting. That hunting is your defense. Who's bad?

Leo, Frank, recent posts makes me want to look at George but I can also see the angle of a frustrated civ taking heat solely based on mafia actions.

George, how do your actions counteract what is being claimed? Can any of your actions hold you accountable or no?

Tell me more about Leo and Frank. I'll give you two options, please address one or both:

1) Why do you suspect Leo and Frank most?

2) Why do you suspect George and Peterman less?

1) Leo's vote day 2 pinged me hard and that ping never went away. Frank because of POE, but I must admit that Peterman and George can be swapped with Frank, but that leads me to...

2) My reads of George are tonal. I just don't read him as mafia, even recent posts I read tonally as civ, but the problem I have is that I know there's some bias. Part of me wants to believe he's civ because I want to be right on that judgment call. The same bias applies to you and Elaine. I don't think we had a tie between two mafia, so I'm excluding Peterman.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:43 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:39 pm

George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:36 pm Would be hilarious if Jerry is scum though. I mean really, hats off to you. While no one is questioning Elaine and Steinbrenner, you're not even a confirmed PR and no one's questioning your alliance.

I have a reason to think that Elaine and Jerry are civ. Steinbrenner however I'm not 100% on, I recall liking his thought processes and questions during day 3.

What kind of reason do you have?

Steinbrenner is the confirmed 2-shot cop.

If Jerry is mafia, why is Elaine still alive? It feels like those two have been in a back and forth so consistently that if Jerry was bad, Elaine should have been killed by now.

J Peterman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:43 pmTim Whatley - Good Jackie vote last round. My issue at this point is that he keeps saying he voted me and is voting people for reactions, but I haven't seen much of what intel he's actually garnered from these so-called reactions. It makes me think he's just saying that to say something. Have I missed an explanation?

Let's talk about how Elaine's hard claim came shortly after, hindering the time I had to judge. The only person I saw a reaction from was Jerry, but Jerry is... Y'know a troublemaker. Unless you are scum Peterman, his reaction meant little.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:36 pm Would be hilarious if Jerry is scum though. I mean really, hats off to you. While no one is questioning Elaine and Steinbrenner, you're not even a confirmed PR and no one's questioning your alliance.

I have a reason to think that Elaine and Jerry are civ. Steinbrenner however I'm not 100% on, I recall liking his thought processes and questions during day 3.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:27 pm Whatley, defending yourself is pointless at this point. Just do that hunting. That hunting is your defense. Who's bad?

Leo, Frank, recent posts makes me want to look at George but I can also see the angle of a frustrated civ taking heat solely based on mafia actions.

George, how do your actions counteract what is being claimed? Can any of your actions hold you accountable or no?

So... I guess we are en route to lynching me. Positives are that me dying won't end the game, negatives are we'll be closer to it.

I was hoping to come here and get to hunting but looks like I gotta defend for a moment, so let me take care of that first.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:39 pm I could vote for Whatley. What stands out to me most about his posts right now is three similar instances of him giving unsatisfying answers for his questionable behavior:

Spoiler: show

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:12 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:41 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:17 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:12 pm Do you think it would be unwise for power roles to claim at this point in the game?

Depends really. There are too many variables in play still.

@George Costanza Where are you and where is your head at? Why did you vote the Soup Nazi day 1 but not day 2? You did say you had a bad feeling about him.

This is a true assessment, Whatley. Who knows what roles could be out there at this time? But I have a bone to pick with you here and Big Stein's gonna fight, you better believe that! First, you criticize Elaine because she asked for role claims. But then you can't point to any specific harm that could come from this. You gave a non-answer. The Yankees are all about answers! I don't know how you do it in dentistry, but here we get to the bottom of things! I'm as iffy on Elaine's roleclaim as anybody, but I don't understand what you're saying about her here.

I see, I interpreted what she was asking differently. I see no harm in asking for role claims. I see harm in people who are lying to make vague statements about needing to get more information.

This relates the core of our situation. We are always trying to get more information. I'm sure when we have more information and the time is right to share, we will. Elaine should know this.

Sien, what do you think of Uncle Leo's vote for you? What do you want right now?

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:33 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:52 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:13 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:42 pm Don't be so upset Jerry, discussion will come.

Your theories regarding Steinbrenner, that's a lie isn't it? At least in regards to having deeper thought on him.

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm lying about welcoming opposing reads on him?

Tim Whatley, I'd like an answer to this question please.

Ah, sorry. I was just poking you to see what would happen. Nothing interesting unfortunately.

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:53 pm Good evening everyone. I'd like to apologize for my absence today. The office was slammed.

Regarding my Peterman vote without much reason, truth is there was none other than me wanting to gauge reactions. I figured if Peterman was bad, I should pressure vote and see who scrambles. This didn't happen.

I probably would've swapped to Leo or Elaine if it weren't for her hard claim.

I will review my suspects tomorrow. Until then, goodnight.

I don't feel he ever adequately explained why Elaine's plea for information was troublesome, and his two claims of reaction baiting don't really address the underlying thought process of his gameplay. His prod of Jerry came out of nowhere and looks bizarre to me, and he waves his hand at the Peterman vote claiming it was done for reactions, but as far as I can tell he disappeared from the thread soon after and didn't return until well after the deadline had passed.

How was that unsatisfactory? Elaine had pinged me with her claims, I think I had pointed this out. Then for the person who I was suspicious of to come in and request further information (while lying) pushed my ping into full suspicion. Elaine's plea for information wasn't troublesome, more so unnecessary and this is because we were already trying to get more information. We are always trying to get information, that's the only way for us to solve this game and is a given. Fluffy unnecessary posts along side purposeless lies create a chaos state and I didn't think it was assisting us in solving the game, only promoting some scheme she had going on (which I was technically right about).

And my pressure vote on Peterman? Is there anything wrong with that? am I supposed to not hunt and generate information? Also, to go back to the events of my Peterman vote, if I had a reason other than it being a pressure vote, why the hell did I swap to Chiles?

I suppose you either don't have an understanding of what I saw or you don't want my answers to satisfy you currently.

Good evening everyone. I'd like to apologize for my absence today. The office was slammed.

Regarding my Peterman vote without much reason, truth is there was none other than me wanting to gauge reactions. I figured if Peterman was bad, I should pressure vote and see who scrambles. This didn't happen.

I probably would've swapped to Leo or Elaine if it weren't for her hard claim.

I will review my suspects tomorrow. Until then, goodnight.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:52 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:13 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:42 pm Don't be so upset Jerry, discussion will come.

Your theories regarding Steinbrenner, that's a lie isn't it? At least in regards to having deeper thought on him.

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm lying about welcoming opposing reads on him?

Tim Whatley, I'd like an answer to this question please.

Ah, sorry. I was just poking you to see what would happen. Nothing interesting unfortunately.

That's what we needed right there.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:21 pm It's not LyLo, so all this move gets the mafia team (if Elaine is lying) is a push to LyLo with a confirmed mafia in place. That's not terrible for them, but she'd have no need -- unless Peterman is also mafia.

If it's a claim for teammate save I'd be somewhat shocked, it feels too early for that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:10 pm I'm also speculative of Elaine' s claim. Ever hear the tale of the boy who cried wolf?

Linki - I guess we'll see.

Whoever this stranger is has a good point.

I'm also speculative of Elaine' s claim. Ever hear the tale of the boy who cried wolf?

Linki - I guess we'll see.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:55 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:24 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:24 am I also keep forgetting Tim Whatley exists. That's not ideal.

Why do you think this is this the case? I feel like I've voiced my thoughts consistently?

I'll be voting Peterman. I don't feel bad about it, but there are a handful I can say that about. Let's see where this goes.

Stein, if time allows, I'll review those you asked about.

*opens Tim Whatley's post history*

*CTRL+F for "peterman"*

1 mention in entire history, and it's in this post with this vote. Naw.

Voting Tim Whatley.

Interesting. What should I say over his 7 posts that hasn't been said already?

Seinfeld, do you have a fascination with me. Why is this the case?

George Costanza wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:37 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:17 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:12 pm Do you think it would be unwise for power roles to claim at this point in the game?

Depends really. There are too many variables in play still.

@George Costanza Where are you and where is your head at? Why did you vote the Soup Nazi day 1 but not day 2? You did say you had a bad feeling about him.

Day 1 votes generally aren't really substantial or based on actual specific clues or content. I didn't feel good about the Newman bandwagon. I didn't vote for Newman.

I'm someone who goes by gut instincts a lot, and I felt Uncle Leo was wishy washy in his stances, as long as he didn't draw attention to himself or garner too much opposition and preferred following the bunch; insincere; not as vocal or skeptical as people should be on Day 2.

My opinion on him hasn't changed yet.

I'm noticing a trend of people who just didn't give a damn about their day one vote. How is this acceptable?

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:24 am I also keep forgetting Tim Whatley exists. That's not ideal.

Why do you think this is this the case? I feel like I've voiced my thoughts consistently?

I'll be voting Peterman. I don't feel bad about it, but there are a handful I can say that about. Let's see where this goes.

Stein, if time allows, I'll review those you asked about.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:41 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:17 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:12 pm Do you think it would be unwise for power roles to claim at this point in the game?

Depends really. There are too many variables in play still.

@George Costanza Where are you and where is your head at? Why did you vote the Soup Nazi day 1 but not day 2? You did say you had a bad feeling about him.

This is a true assessment, Whatley. Who knows what roles could be out there at this time? But I have a bone to pick with you here and Big Stein's gonna fight, you better believe that! First, you criticize Elaine because she asked for role claims. But then you can't point to any specific harm that could come from this. You gave a non-answer. The Yankees are all about answers! I don't know how you do it in dentistry, but here we get to the bottom of things! I'm as iffy on Elaine's roleclaim as anybody, but I don't understand what you're saying about her here.

I see, I interpreted what she was asking differently. I see no harm in asking for role claims. I see harm in people who are lying to make vague statements about needing to get more information.

This relates the core of our situation. We are always trying to get more information. I'm sure when we have more information and the time is right to share, we will. Elaine should know this.

Sien, what do you think of Uncle Leo's vote for you? What do you want right now?

[mention]Uncle Leo[/mention], why did you vote Stein day one? Your vote on Puddy, was that you crying "No you?"

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:07 pmpeterman
-why: hasn't said much of anything substantial. voted for Puddy

Arent you in the same boat?

I guess I should share where my head is at if I am to ask this of others. Joining in Day 2 I was very much fixated on Elaine and Jerry. So much so that I've decided to take a step back and review other leads and questions I have.

I'm curious about the Soup Nazi and Stein voters from day 1. I'm reviewing them now.

I could currently vote for Costanza or Elaine.

Jerry, I'm unsure what to think. Truth be told, I'm unsure if I'm suspicious of Jerry, or just afraid.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:12 pm Do you think it would be unwise for power roles to claim at this point in the game?

Depends really. There are too many variables in play still.

[mention]George Costanza[/mention] Where are you and where is your head at? Why did you vote the Soup Nazi day 1 but not day 2? You did say you had a bad feeling about him.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:54 pm Do you feel like Elaine's misinformation is directly impeding your efforts to solve the game, Whatley?
And I can assure you Seinfeld voted for me earlier.

My efforts in specific, not at all, what bothers me is that she requests information from others. Why request that of us as a whole based on roles in play when she's lying about her role? What purpose does that carry?

Thank you for the vote information.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:09 am

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:12 pm So I've just about read everything I'm going to and I have 3 specific points of interest.

What are our thoughts on Jerry? He's a troublemaker.

What are our thoughts on Elaine? She's here, but what has she contributed?

What happened to the Soup Nazi voters? What changed your mind?

I've contributed a lot, Tim. More than you have.

First of all, Tim is a re-gifter. A re-gifter people. Of a label maker. Does anybody use label makers anymore?

Why is he asking about the Soup Nazi? Doesn't his job prohibit stuff from touching his teeth? Does he make meth after hours? Doesn't meth ruin your teeth? Inquiring minds want to know!

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:15 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:48 pm

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:39 pm Also kinda shocked Jerry not NKed N1 when he's probably the SPK -- I have no idea who Kramer is even.

K bai

What is the purpose of this post?

Im glad you pointed this post out. I wondered if you would. Before Estelle answers, why do you think this post was made?

This post though...the methy dentist guy is asking Jerry to answer for Estelle. Jerry refuses to answer- I think rightfully- but then Estelle is dead.

I'm going to borrow methy dentist guy's direction and rephrase the question:

Jerry, why do you think Elaine Costanza died instead of you or me?

Your not wrong, you have contributed more than me. Since joining up with you fellows I've not had the time to flesh out full reads. Just slight tonals from my skim.

In regards to Estelle not answering and then dying, if these events were related all it means is that the mafia can read. However, I wouldn't think that my question would prompt a kill.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:14 am Looking at the matrix, there's a cop, tracker, killer, or blocker. Someone should have some information by now. Get it together people.

Elaine, I understamd wanting to solve the game, but how should someone have solved the game when your throwing out misinformation?

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:44 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:43 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:36 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:25 pm You're a funny man, Seinfeld. Big Stein appreciates humor in dark times. But I will not stand for this kind of funny business, you hear me! Is this some sort of test? Trying to make Big Stein sweat, are we? You're gonna have to do better than that! I'll let it stand for now though. But come this time tomorrow I expect to see results on the table! Tell me what you want from and I'll have the entire Yankee organization at my back.

I'm a 2-shot tracker. Bania/Whatley did nothing on night 1. You killed Estelle on Night 2.

I don't know what the point of your little trick is, Jerry. You're making up false allegations about Big Stein, and for what? You want a piece of the Yankees? Talk to my people, see if they can cut you a deal. But you have to be straight with us. Honesty and integrity are a big part of what we do here at Yankee Stadium!

Yes. I'm definitely pulling a trick. Mmhmm. Definitely. You should spend the day making tons of reads. Yep.

Did you even vote him when you said this?

Don't be so upset Jerry, discussion will come.

Your theories regarding Steinbrenner, that's a lie isn't it? At least in regards to having deeper thought on him.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:48 pm

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:39 pm Also kinda shocked Jerry not NKed N1 when he's probably the SPK -- I have no idea who Kramer is even.

K bai

What is the purpose of this post?

Im glad you pointed this post out. I wondered if you would. Before Estelle answers, why do you think this post was made?

Aren't there bigger issues than who posts first?

So I've just about read everything I'm going to and I have 3 specific points of interest.

What are our thoughts on Jerry? He's a troublemaker.

What are our thoughts on Elaine? She's here, but what has she contributed?

What happened to the Soup Nazi voters? What changed your mind?

Hi everyone, glad to be here. Allow me a moment to catch my breath and I'll join you in chit chat shortly.