The Syndicate

White Queen wrote:Yeah, Rasputin, being real obvious about secret win conditions would be wicked smart of me (hypothetically, ofc)

OK then, you have been wanting to lynch Havoc on and off for ages, let's do that instead.

*changes vote*

White Queen wrote:

Havok wrote:Why would you have be taken off the poll for that theory to work? Even if Archangel knew who Apocalypse was, why would Archangel waste time taking Apocalypse off the poll?

Well, to make that person look ...not Apocalypse?

It's an interesting theory.

Havok wrote:and why should we listen to anything you have to say on the subject of how to defeat Apocalypse?

And why should we listen to anything that the person suspected of being my #1 crony has to say either?

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Spiral wrote:Mikhail why are you less concerned about finding baddies lately?

What are you talking about? That's a hell of a charge to make. I'm all about finding baddies, and always have been.

Sebastian Shaw wrote:Maybe Longshot is bad. I can vote there.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Hmm.

First off, I wanna point out something I noticed. Spiral earlier tried to claim credit for the Marrow lynch and said I "stood in the way" of it by not voting that day. Turns out, he didn't vote that day either. He also hadn't helped lynch a single baddie, until Polaris (where I agree he deserves a good deal of credit for putting the first vote on her). But still: Pot, kettle.

Avalanche wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Avalanche wrote:I really think you guys are making a mistake voting for Havok. As he pointed out, he voted to tie Polaris. Voting records are the one thing I trust. I smell a rat in the state of Denmark.

I am voting for Longshot, and I hope the rest of you sensible people will join me. Remember, I was right about Polaris.

p.s. sorry I've not been around. I was out of town with little/no reception.

I was right about Polaris too.


why Longshot more? Can you talk more about it?

I'm King of the Morlocks. I can talk about anything I want.

Look at Longshot's voting record. He voted to put the nail in Bullzeye's coffin. He tried to put the nail in yours. Recent votes matter more than old ones, because there are not many baddies left and they are being forced out of their hidey-holes. Polaris would not be dead without Havok, which makes me trust him, at least more than Longshot.

Avalanche wrote:I really think you guys are making a mistake voting for Havok. As he pointed out, he voted to tie Polaris. Voting records are the one thing I trust. I smell a rat in the state of Denmark.

I am voting for Longshot, and I hope the rest of you sensible people will join me. Remember, I was right about Polaris.

p.s. sorry I've not been around. I was out of town with little/no reception.

Longshot wrote:

Spiral wrote:Longshot, I actually just read back, and I feel like I mischaracterized you. I apologize.

But logic tells me you are less likely to be civv than the rest of us.

ok thanks for telling me.

What is the logic that tells you I'm less likely to be civ? I would like a chance to respond.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:I don't think Shaw is a good idea.

Of the 8 players on the poll, I strongly believe 4 of them to be civ, so this shouldn't be that hard. But I can't decide which of the 3 I believe could be bad and are killable should get my vote.

White Queen wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Geez! Bad night. RIP Elo, and RIPIYWG Deadpool and Banshee.

To Apocalypse: Are you killing civs on purpose now? Because iirc, someone posted something a bit back that makes it nearly impossible Banshee was bad. If you are, you should know we have a problem.

WB Bullz! Glad our mistake was fixed so quickly.

Bullzeye wrote:Woop! Thanks for the rezz! Hopefully my being back can make a difference. I have a theory actually about something: I think Magneto might be dead. We've lynched a few baddies but never seen his power come into play and I'd think especially this late in the game it should have done at least once. Either he's targeting people that have no impact at all on the lynch or he's not targeting anyone at all.

I actually mentioned this a few days ago, and it was dismissed as crazy. Even I thought it was overly optimistic at the time. But you're right, Magneto is supposed to be horrendously powerful, and we haven't seen him affect even one lynch. So I am also cautiously optimistic he's dead.

What made it almost impossible that Banshee was bad? Not something based on the roles, I hope. Do you also think Deadpool was civ? And I think Magneto was in play in the lynch that was switched to me. The careful manipulation of the numbers by all the last minute vote switching led me to that conclusion. Do you think otherwise?

Bullzeye wrote:Woop! Thanks for the rezz! Hopefully my being back can make a difference. I have a theory actually about something: I think Magneto might be dead. We've lynched a few baddies but never seen his power come into play and I'd think especially this late in the game it should have done at least once. Either he's targeting people that have no impact at all on the lynch or he's not targeting anyone at all.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:
He survived a lynch! Baddies CANNOT DO THAT.

Havok wrote:
Now, I think I was subscribing to the theory that Dazzler was a civvie and that it was unlikely that the kill could have been redirected to the killer, but look at the above quoted host post.

Dazzler is killed on night 3 by Sabretooth. Pyro takes over the team's NK on Night 5. Who dies between nights 3 and 5? Domino, Exodus, and Sunfire. That's it. All 3 were lynched and none of them were Sabretooth. No other kills occurred between Sabretooth's last kill and Pyro's first.

Dazzler must have been Sabretooth. If Bullzeye is Dazzler, I am voting for Bullzeye today. Can anyone give me a reason why I shouldn't???

Banshee wrote:i'm still leaning towards white queen, i think the behavioral change after the white queen/apocalypse theory became prevalent seems telling.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:EBWOP: However, Spiral, if you want to never ever try killing me, I totally support that motion. So carry on, please.

Sebastian Shaw wrote:I don't know. I have to think.

Deadpool wrote:whenever i see a white queen post all i hear in my head is the teacher from the peanuts goin WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH

White Queen wrote:Someone up there ^^ said he was specifically targeted by the bad team. But in any case 4 (or is it 5?) different people have survived NKs. They cannot ALL be the civ that survives NKs or Apocalypse. So the fact that there are only 2 roles with NK saves written in and more than 2 people have survived NKs pretty much voids that as a defense in my opinion.

Havok wrote:Rasputin's defense of that argument is that he's survived 2 NKs and that they couldn't both be from outside forces.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:
Are you even reading the thread?

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Havok wrote: Fair point, but in order for Spiral to be a Polaris team mate, Spiral would have had to make the decision to vote for a team mate yesterday and keep the vote there. That makes no sense when Spiral is the other lynch candidate.

It kind of does, though. Like Longshot said, Polaris was Toad, and the other 3 possibly living baddie roles are Magneto, Pyro, and Juggernaut. It's possible Spiral or their team to decide Toad was less valuable than whichever of those Spiral was, and when no one else is even on the chopping block for lynch. I'm not saying it's the most likely explanation, (I actually find it somewhat unlikely) but it's definitely possible.

Longshot wrote: I did not feel comfortable about my vote.

What made you uncomfortable about it, and if you were uncomfortable, why vote as you did?

Polaris wrote:

Spiral wrote:Wanna know what's surprising?
Everyone who has been antagonizing me all game that we've lynched?
Turned up bad so far. Hawkeye. Polaris.
And you want Longshot to take responsibility? The post I'm going to respond below is pretty much the biggest shirk of responsibility I've seen. You literally just go, "Well that was HAWKEYE!" What the fuck, man?

I don't play mafia on a personal level, hence I also don't antagonize people.

My death was stupid, but it happens. Carry on.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:
Take some responsibility!

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Wow, nice job, people! Sorry I was no help. We're on a hot streak!

I vote Greymalkin Industries. It seems like a cool place, I guess. And they spell Grey properly, so good on 'em!

Edit: No they don't. Oh well, much too late to turn back now.

These lynches haven't been much thanks to you, I see.

Fair enough.

Someone seems a little bitter about that. Lighten up! You're not perfect either.

No. I am not. But you have stood in the way of quite a few useful lynches.

Let's make sure we're playing with facts, here. I have not "stood in the way" of any lynch, and "quite a few" is so much exaggeration it's laughable.

Day 10: We got the baddie on this one, so did I help? Of course not. But did I "stand in the way"? No.

Day 9 we got Hawkeye. Not sure if you wanna say I'm on his team, given that he's an indie and doesn't have teammates at all. My vote didn't matter because it was clear from the beginning of the day that he was getting almost all the votes. And I did repeatedly acknowledge that the case on him was rock-solid, I just wanted to hear from him first.

Day 8, Hawkeye single-handedly lynched Marrow. Did I help? No. Did you? No. Did anyone? NO.

Day 7 Shaw survived. Not much to say there.

Day 6, Hawkeye tried to lynch White Queen and failed. Again, all him for real.

Both Day 5s and Days 1, 2, and 3, I believe we lynched civs. A number of whom I was decidedly against lynching, by the way.

And Day 4 we got Exodus. Another case like Hawkeye where my vote didn't matter because it was clear where the lynch was going. I agreed (and have been saying for AGES) that Exodus probably was actually bad, and refused to vote him because of my personal beliefs about how mafia should be played. If that's "standing in the way", fine, you got me on one.

I get that you don't like me suspecting you, or voting you two days in a row. But if you want to NO U me, at least read my voting history. And don't lie to make a sensationalistic case on me based on exaggerations.

Longshot wrote:

White Queen wrote:Well, this is them:

Sebastian Shaw (6), Polaris (7), Bullzeye (8), Longshot (10)

Polaris obviously was a baddie. Of the three left, I think Shaw is bad for sure. Longshot I waffle on, and I am least suspicious of Bullz. This vote was somewhat damning, but one vote is not the only thing, the totality of his game makes me think he is less likely to be bad.

I would be fine

So was Spiral good? I may have missed that. I'm not going to say I'm sure he is bad because I'm not but I don't think anything happened to prove he was good either. Correct me if I am wrong.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Wow, nice job, people! Sorry I was no help. We're on a hot streak!

I vote Greymalkin Industries. It seems like a cool place, I guess. And they spell Grey properly, so good on 'em!

Edit: No they don't. Oh well, much too late to turn back now.

These lynches haven't been much thanks to you, I see.

Fair enough.

Someone seems a little bitter about that. Lighten up! You're not perfect either.

Deadpool wrote:spiral i was silenced yesterday thats why u didnt see me runnin my mouth or votin

Bullzeye wrote:Glad to see I was wrong about Polaris Voting Weapon X because it sounds coolest.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Wow, nice job, people! Sorry I was no help. We're on a hot streak!

I vote Greymalkin Industries. It seems like a cool place, I guess. And they spell Grey properly, so good on 'em!

Edit: No they don't. Oh well, much too late to turn back now.

Bullzeye wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Polaris wrote:

Spiral wrote:I am placing a vote on Polaris for now. I do not want to miss the poll. It seems like no one wants to talk today.

Why?

Because I don't think you are civvie. I think you have used the Sentinels lynch as a false form of civvie cred.

Where did this happen? I found your comment interesting so I went through her posts to check but I don't really see it anywhere...

Polaris wrote:That's two votes with kind of half-assed reasoning. I don't like the looks of it. I'll probably end up voting for Deadpool for self-preservation.

In the meantime, I'll do a little more research and post my thoughts just in case I am lynched. I just realized we are getting very close to the deadline and there are only two votes.

Polaris wrote:

Spiral wrote:I am placing a vote on Polaris for now. I do not want to miss the poll. It seems like no one wants to talk today.

Why?

Polaris wrote:

Longshot wrote:Hi all, I'm now in a place with internet and just skimmed over the last couple of posts where people were talking about Shaw and Polaris. I need to go back and find the place where I left off and at least skim through the posts that I missed. Is there anything in particular I should be looking for or anything in particular I should pay very careful attention to?

It seems like we're at a standstill today. Mikhail thinks Shaw is good and doesn't want people voting for him. I can understand the explanation he offered (which you should check out too), but I still don't like what Shaw has to offer.

Anywho, I think we should try to lynch someone today who has not survived a NK. Since the Sentinels are now dead, the other NK survivors are presumably civvies (possibly rescued) or indies, and my understanding of Omega Red is that he is not necessarily a threat, while Apocalypse is just an unlynchable. Thoughts on this?

Polaris wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

White Queen wrote:There is a civ reason, and an Apocalypse reason. But then there are the same two reasons for surviving an NK, and we have had four (I think, that was where I stopped counting) NK survivors. So non role related stuff is happening.

But if I recall, the day after his survival, he was not votable (Off the poll? Silenced?) and we moved on.

Shaw is votable, so idk what this means.

The Sentinels do have secrets, like Spiral said. I personally think Shaw is almost assuredly civ. Sure, he's been unhelpful, and he's clearly one of the "avant-garde" mafia players, as I've heard them referred to, but the way the lynch post read to me and the survival itself jive with the civ explanation. I will absolutely not vote Shaw today, and I'll be kinda suspicious of people who do. That's just me, though.

I do think Deadpool could be bad, but I'm still undecided on him. I do really still wanna hear his case on Spiral, so I hope he actually posts one.

He won't because there isn't one to be made, tbh.


Then, I am at a loss. In the past I have suspected Polaris?

You don't want to end up on Mikhail's suspect list, so you're defaulting to me as a suspect?

Sebastian Shaw wrote:I'm sorry for missing the last vote. It was my mistake. I went to my brother's birthday party.

Spiral wrote:I don't trust Shaw one bit. He refuses to contribute to the game and does not participate in any discussions about anyone-- unless that discussion is about himself. I don't know why he survived, but I know that no one is clamoring on him for being apocalypse.

If you're just joking, then I'm not going to lynch you.

I'm going to wait till tomorrow to vote.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

White Queen wrote:There is a civ reason, and an Apocalypse reason. But then there are the same two reasons for surviving an NK, and we have had four (I think, that was where I stopped counting) NK survivors. So non role related stuff is happening.

But if I recall, the day after his survival, he was not votable (Off the poll? Silenced?) and we moved on.

Shaw is votable, so idk what this means.

The Sentinels do have secrets, like Spiral said. I personally think Shaw is almost assuredly civ. Sure, he's been unhelpful, and he's clearly one of the "avant-garde" mafia players, as I've heard them referred to, but the way the lynch post read to me and the survival itself jive with the civ explanation. I will absolutely not vote Shaw today, and I'll be kinda suspicious of people who do. That's just me, though.

I do think Deadpool could be bad, but I'm still undecided on him. I do really still wanna hear his case on Spiral, so I hope he actually posts one.

Polaris wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:We did not! Great discussion to have, imo.

I don't trust Shaw one bit. He refuses to contribute to the game and does not participate in any discussions about anyone-- unless that discussion is about himself. I don't know why he survived, but I know that no one is clamoring on him for being apocalypse.


In addition, White Queen, I am sure that the secrets must have a lynch stop in there. That would tend towards civvie. I am feeling a bit lost. :/

Hawkeye did survive a night kill and he was the Sentinels. So there is an example of somebody surviving without a known cause.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:We did not! Great discussion to have, imo.