The Syndicate

Dom 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Dom 2 wrote:

Dom 2 wrote:Hostmuffins! was the mafia's nightkill inherited?

A) it seems you must already have the answer to that. I wrote this before FS actually answered. What I mean is apparently bass 2 never hid behind you, and we've been making a bad assumption.
B) the mafia kill was odd nights, so it's the recruit kill tonight anyways.

No I didn't. I asked the question yesterday, but did not get an answer.

But it's good to know if anyone is doing the killing tonight. Why are you trying to make this out as if I already knew this? Are you trying to frame me now?

I think it's either you, Cookie 2, or both of you, in which case were screwed.

Right now I'm leaning towards it being you, since despite Cobalts blooper-logic, I don't think based on other things he said that cookie 2 actually holds up as the most likely recruit.

So that leaves you. I had assumed Epi was bad for lots of reasons, but if it wasn't him with the kill stuff last night, and what it did at the start of the day, then you're the only person who could have done what we saw happened still alive.

Dom 2 wrote:

Dom 2 wrote:Hostmuffins! was the mafia's nightkill inherited?

A) it seems you must already have the answer to that. I wrote this before FS actually answered. What I mean is apparently bass 2 never hid behind you, and we've been making a bad assumption.
B) the mafia kill was odd nights, so it's the recruit kill tonight anyways.

Golden wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Both trivia have been answered.

The answers are:

Spoiler: show

SVS and

What does it say about me that I answered both of those. Am I in touch with the common man?

I think it means you are the common man.

Pleb.

This isn't even vaguely convincing. I am voting now.

Epignosis 2 wrote:Okay this means someone who was afk choice not to kill someone agreed? I will say thisagain read my posts my posting style/ votes haven't changed. Lynching me will be a waste.

Also just curios why on the front page does it say Cobalt 2 is dead?

What do we think about Cookie she self voted, but trust Cobalt 2.
Rico said Cobalt 2 was recrutiee yet he then flipped mafia.
Dom saved his vote until very near the end.
While Cobalt/Lip voted early two phases ago each on a different person yet voted the same early today.

Gee, I wonder, what could I mean?

Oh right, literally exactly what I said, which you know, because you asked about it like 15 minutes ago.

Cookie 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Epignosis 2 wrote:Okay this means someone who was afk choice not to kill someone agreed? I will say thisagain read my posts my posting style/ votes haven't changed. Lynching me will be a waste.

Also just curios why on the front page does it say Cobalt 2 is dead?

What do we think about Cookie she self voted, but trust Cobalt 2.
Rico said Cobalt 2 was recrutiee yet he then flipped mafia.
Dom saved his vote until very near the end.
While Cobalt/Lip voted early two phases ago each on a different person yet voted the same early today.

Lol, you saw the first post but want to sell us on believing the kill just wasn't sent in?

No, it means you, the killer, had your target switched with someone who didn't send one in, meaning there was no one to be killed, and that you tried to kill Cobalt 2.

There could be other possibilities

Last lynch I self voted becasue I was kinda over the constant push in my direction and i wanted to push the envelope and force the point; put your money where your mouth is. Subsequent developements have given mew pause, and I can hold off for the time being. I am 90% positive i was wrong about Dom 2, so i want to hear what he thinks about all of this.

There is more than one possibility, but yeah, he was expecting someone to be dead.

Could be. Cobalt and I just had a plan based on a few things, and from this result it looks to me like it sort of worked, in the sense everyone is alive, but not entirely since the kill didn't actually get redirected.

But i guess you picked a RB up at some point, since you seem to think it was something else.

Epignosis 2 wrote:Okay this means someone who was afk choice not to kill someone agreed? I will say thisagain read my posts my posting style/ votes haven't changed. Lynching me will be a waste.

Also just curios why on the front page does it say Cobalt 2 is dead?

What do we think about Cookie she self voted, but trust Cobalt 2.
Rico said Cobalt 2 was recrutiee yet he then flipped mafia.
Dom saved his vote until very near the end.
While Cobalt/Lip voted early two phases ago each on a different person yet voted the same early today.

Lol, you saw the first post but want to sell us on believing the kill just wasn't sent in?

No, it means you, the killer, had your target switched with someone who didn't send one in, meaning there was no one to be killed, and that you tried to kill Cobalt 2.

Epignosis 2 wrote:I am defending myself not backpedaling, are you going to answer my points either in my defense or why I voted with Rico, my suspicions against your case?
You are simply accusing me of backpedaling not answering any of my points.

@Cookie Dom do either of you think Lip is 3P? Frankly I don't trust anyone left but lookin at Cookies post she was suspicious of Lip as well.

Wow, you really thought you had it, huh? This is some textbook third stage of grief.

Epignosis 2 wrote:

Ricochet 2 wrote:Well, ok. Good luck. It's not my fault if you lose. You should have lynched epi first, then you would know.

Well first off I won't be backpedaling I didn't like the argument you presented, I didn't like how you tried to play on my emotions saying he would vote for me so I'm voting for him. I stand by my vote and don't regret it.

Also lets say for one second I'm on this other team why would I vote with the suspected mafia when I wasn't on the radar? I could have followed your reasoning and just said "yeah I will vote for Rico since he wants me lynched" but I didn't preserving Rico would have done nothing for me. I would have had to kill him anyway and he could have killed me it makes no sense. If your so set on trusting Cobalt 2 then look at Dom/Cookie I think if anyone Cookie is most likely to be the last ninja, she completely avoided today's drama by self voting.

So, you say you aren't going to backpedal, and then proceed to backpedal, when you say you think cookie is the most likely to be the last ninja. Which means you're either going to vote for cobalt or I even though you don't find us to be the most suspicious, or you're going to vote cookie, because you're backpedaling.

fingersplints wrote:

Golden wrote:Well played peoples. I tried.

You did so good. Some things just weren't in your favor.

Like my profound awesomeness.

Or lucky timing.

It's one of those.

Nice try Golden and Co.

Epignosis 2 wrote:Well Dom lets hope I'm wrong if not then the civs loose.

@Lipsticklacey 2 I think your mafia if so when Rico flips civ I will be coming after you tomorrow and you have yet to say why you think I'm mafia when you have had the most suspicious reasoning this phase. Your reason for why I should vote Rico alone was scummy.

I look forward to your back pedalling after Rico turns up bad.

I know what your plan was voting with him, I'm just surprised you didn't see the obvious flaw of working with him. But I guess once his role is revealed you'll understand that as well.

Ricochet 2 wrote:Well, ok. Good luck. It's not my fault if you lose. You should have lynched epi first, then you would know.

Still wasn't convinced about Epi until he decided to chance it and vote with you.

Ricochet 2 wrote:Lacey - I may be going today. If I am, so be it.

However, if you are not on a team with cobalt, I really suggest that you consider him strongly for lynch tomorrow. That's my advice. I implore you to listen.

Good luck to the town whoever you are. I hope it's lacey, I hope you pull it off.

That's it from me, I don't need to keep playing with a salty cobalt. Only he knows his alignment, and whether he really thinks I am bad, for sure. I wish I had been around one more day to prove it, but it looks like this isn't how it is going..

He isn't salty, he's just bummed because he had been trusting you and thought his read was right, but then you went and made it obvious that it wasn't.

Don't worry, the town is going to pull it off. You're going to get lynched, Epi will NK someone, the survivors lynch Epi, the game will end. It got down the wire, you were really close, but a few things came together perfectly for us.

Epignosis 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:See, this is why you should wait.

While you have a history of game-losing resses; I think; some of us do have things under control. Maybe I was trying to keep you safe at night with suspicion. Or I really suspect you but get thrown off by better targets. Which is happening again. But as usual, it's not to join a bandwagon, it's because there's someone else to lynch, who I put the first vote on.

I am voting for Ricochet 2. He's been spinning for days, and I haven't trusted it. Now we have the numbers to handle it. Epi 2, he wants to vote for you, so help us out by retaliatory voting him. Cobalt 2, we can figure out who is next if we haven't won after he is gone, but help me get rid of him for a start. Dom 2, you still playing? cause that would be helpful as well.

I think your mafia or if there is a recruiter team your on it. I'm thinking and I could be totally wrong that you and Cobalt are on the same team. Yesterday you voted quite early for Sig 2 and he voted for Llama 2 turns out they were both civs your know both together voting for rico why are you doing this? You don't think he could be bad. I had doubts for awhile, but nothing to really back it up with. I will need to think it over but I think I will be voting for Cobalt 2. Also this so help us out, it could just be wording I've made plenty of such mistakes but a combination of that and saying I should vote for him just for retaliation? So because he said he might lynch me I should vote for him and help you out? Then notice the second portion you say to Cobalt 2

"we can figure out who is next if we haven't won after he is gone" this also doesn't sound like something a civ would say. Dom read this post over it reeks of scum, they are know more confident so aren't as stealthy as before. Plus Rico being the only one to consider I might be bad is a plus for me, I don't know if he is civilian but I don't think he is mafia. Dom if you aren't mafia trust me look over Lip's post that I quoted and vote with me for Cobalt. When Cobalt flips mafia we can lynch Lip next phase.

Good job with this. I was wondering if you or Cookie was a living recruit, and in a single post you've convinced me its you.

Well Cookie 2, the good news for you is Cobalt 2 and I never made the mistake of working together to lynch you, so we should still be able to win the game as long as Rico 2 is lynched today, and Epi 2 is the only surviving recruit. That should give us the numbers to mean one of us being NKed won't lose us the game.

We just can't let them win any prizes and pick up the manipulation stuff that is still there.

Ricochet 2 wrote:Exactly.

I've been 99% certain you are bad for a while, which is why your vote doesn't surprise me. I expected it entirely. I haven't been able to get traction, but I think thats because you have pulled the wool over peoples eyes. Not my eyes.

Seriously, though, I think if Dom and Epignosis join me today then they still have a chance of winning the game, whether or not they are civ or recruits or bad. If they do not join me, I think you win the game, with whoever your teammates are, and me and the civilians lose. It's as simple as that.

This doesn't hold up.

We know Cobalt 2 isn't original baddie.

We cannot say the same for you.

Cobalt 2 can only be bad if he was recruited. You could have started bad, or have been recruited. And one of those is the case.

By your own logic of whatever alignment Dom 2 and Epi 2 are, they are better off voting for you. Especially if they are civilian.

Cookie 2, the thing you tried to do last night, have you asked if you're allowed to try doing it again tomorrow night, and if so, was that a yes or a no?

See, this is why you should wait.

While you have a history of game-losing resses; I think; some of us do have things under control. Maybe I was trying to keep you safe at night with suspicion. Or I really suspect you but get thrown off by better targets. Which is happening again. But as usual, it's not to join a bandwagon, it's because there's someone else to lynch, who I put the first vote on.

I am voting for Ricochet 2. He's been spinning for days, and I haven't trusted it. Now we have the numbers to handle it. Epi 2, he wants to vote for you, so help us out by retaliatory voting him. Cobalt 2, we can figure out who is next if we haven't won after he is gone, but help me get rid of him for a start. Dom 2, you still playing? cause that would be helpful as well.

Huh. and given the llama 2 result as a blocker, you don't find that interesting?

Ricochet 2 wrote:Well, Lacey, here is where things are from my perspective.

I feel like the recruiter must be the team that killed SVS, so even night kill. I think the baddies must be odd night kill.

I am thinking cookie may not be a baddie, but if not I think she could be a recruit.

I am worried that one of the factions has more than one remaining member. I feel confident in you and in dom - if you are the recruit, then well done... I think you will win because you have me fooled.

I have cookie/epignosis/cobalt left, at least two of whom I think must be bad but I think it is possible all three are.

The only person that I think is clearly not original baddie is cobalt.

My preferred lynch today is Epignosis, who I could see being a member of either team.

That doesn't make sense, me, Cobalt 2, and maybe Dom 2 all had Bass 2 said they hid behind us. So, unless you think there's another seemer in the game, none of the three of us can be original baddies. Why only mention cobalt?

Are you an original baddie?

Cookie 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:I think you're a more likely recruit than Cobalt 2, Rico 2.

I know it isn't me.

I had been most suspicious of Cobalt 2 being the recruit, but that has stopped being the case based on llama 2 being civilian.

The timing of her death would suggest it isn't Dom 2 from Bass 2's possible vouch, but based on that last post, if it isn't just a post for the sake of it and does contain information; which the first page says won't be the case, so @Hostesses, can you confirm anything in that regard for us?; then it would suggest that there's at least one surviving Elohcin 2 recruit, and they inherited the ability to recruit, which means Dom 2 could also have been recruited. I probably wouldn't go with him first, because from a numbers game it doesn't make a lot of sense to do it that way, but it is a concern now.

Since I think Cookie 2 is the last baddie, that leaves you and Epignosis 2 as the top contenders for who I suspect most as the recruit. I lean a little towards suspecting you, but that's mostly because, if it turns out one of you isn't a recruit, but is actually a baddie, I think it's more likely to be you.

All that being said, I think our best bet is to lynch Cookie 2 today. We still don't actually know the recruits win condition, and taking out a baddie that's listed as a baddie seems like the better goal with this lynch.

Right, all the baddie super geniuses kill the person they have been suspecting for days. Give me a break. I trusted you out of the gate based on my thoughts on who you were, and as usual, baddie you bites me trust in the ass, Never trusting you again, lol. I also trusted Cobalt and that was apparently a joke as well, since Dom has flipped civ.

OK, the civvies are hosed anyhow. Lets lynch me. If there is only one baddie left maybe this will expose him, or her, however s/he may appear.

Voting Cookie.

Also, to the person who blocked me. Blocking me was fairly pointless, as someone else is the killer

Lets do it Lacey.

You were blocked this most recent night?

If you think I'm opening a video where the still image is flavor flav, you're insane.

I think you're a more likely recruit than Cobalt 2, Rico 2.

I know it isn't me.

I had been most suspicious of Cobalt 2 being the recruit, but that has stopped being the case based on llama 2 being civilian.

The timing of her death would suggest it isn't Dom 2 from Bass 2's possible vouch, but based on that last post, if it isn't just a post for the sake of it and does contain information; which the first page says won't be the case, so @Hostesses, can you confirm anything in that regard for us?; then it would suggest that there's at least one surviving Elohcin 2 recruit, and they inherited the ability to recruit, which means Dom 2 could also have been recruited. I probably wouldn't go with him first, because from a numbers game it doesn't make a lot of sense to do it that way, but it is a concern now.

Since I think Cookie 2 is the last baddie, that leaves you and Epignosis 2 as the top contenders for who I suspect most as the recruit. I lean a little towards suspecting you, but that's mostly because, if it turns out one of you isn't a recruit, but is actually a baddie, I think it's more likely to be you.

All that being said, I think our best bet is to lynch Cookie 2 today. We still don't actually know the recruits win condition, and taking out a baddie that's listed as a baddie seems like the better goal with this lynch.

Epignosis 2 wrote:Well never mind then I guess Sig 2 wasn't mafia. I will need to reread some stuff but right know I'm at a loss of who could be mafia.

You, Rico 2, and Cookie 2, assuming none of the 4 people Bass 2 vouched for are seemers.

Roxy wrote:

Someone wrote:"I like-a da sauce. I also think Long Con is bad."

There was a Someone post N1 though... unless llama 2 was redirected or something, that seems weird, because I really think he targeted Sig 2 that night.

Although maybe it is just that he was redirected onto the the killer n1, since there was no Someone post with N3, and there were only 2 missing PMs.

There is no confirmed redirect though, so either the role is still alive or has been modkilled if there is one.

@FS/Roxy: how did LCs borrow power work? Did he borrow the power to then use the following night/was allowed to save it, or did he choose a player whose power he wanted to use, and used it that same night?

Keep reading.

Llama 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Llama 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:It's really awesome people can make posts they pretend are genuine, and then immediately revert to using a lazy stand-in name to say a person should be lynched. That makes the whole thing seem really sincere, and not forced on top of forced.

On the flip side, you seem nothing like the real lipsticklacey.

And you haven't even cracked 100 posts yet, which puts your llama-ing at like a B-, tops.

I haven't needed to. Why post extrenuously?


As for the quiet night from the mafia, it sounds to me like their target was protected or they were blocked, as opposed to a missed PM. Unless this mafia is plum-dumb I don't think they all missed an attempted kill PM. I think the brunt of the mafia is active in the thread, and had a very unlucky night.

And there is this post.


I think llama 2 blocked Sig 2 on N1, and became suspicious of him then.

So I'm back to thinking we should lynch Sig 2 tomorrow, without a coin flip.

Llama 2 wrote:Well done people that saw LC as bad! I will have to save supatown for another day. Tired llama is tired.

Syn, this does not completely absolve you. But it does you credit for the civ cause. Glad to hear you're ready to appear civ again. Welcome back on board!

Golden, I'm glad someone is watching me and MM. I'm sure we'll be on our best behavior for you.

Sig, I hope you are feeling less sick so you can add to the discussion, mr. baddie.

linki- @Syn Elohcin the puppeteer was bad. Elohcin 2's alignment is yet to be determined.

There is this post.

Llama 2 wrote:Ok.

So SVS' team will be killing tonight; I would like to eliminate that team today if possible.

I acknowledge that if we take Bass 2's hints as gospel, we can assume that these people are not bad (or at least not on an original mafia team. They could still have been recruited by Elo after Bass looked at them):
-lacey
-MM
-Cobalt
-maybe Dom, though not circumstantiated

That leaves on an original team:
-Cookie
-Epi
-llama
-Rico
-sig

Based on voting records, I don't think Cookie is on SVS' mafia team.
I'm not certain yet either way with Epi, but I'm not getting bad vibes from him as of now.
I am a camelid.
Rico has a lot to say, and will look into him more.

But I feel worse about sig on that list. I voted for him on day 3, and will do so again today.

To second guess myself some more, maybe it is is Sig 2.

But then I can't figure out Someone, unless my original theory that that's just the baddies making use of a bunch of prizes is right, and I don't even think I ever posted about that because it seemed a little to crazy to me.

Maybe I'll flip a coin to decide between Sig 2 and Cookie 2 tomorrow. One of them has to be bad, and this post makes me go back to thinking llama 2 thinks one of the kills on an odd failed because he blocked Sig 2.

Oh, and Ricochet 2 is at the top of my Elohcin2 recruit list now, since Cobalt 2 has lost that spot.

Ricochet 2 wrote:Dammit. RIP llama/scotty.

I'm really frustrated and surprised at that for more reasons that one.

I mean, if he was going to come back civilian, it isn't remotely surprising he was the blocker, he's made lots of subtle hints at it.

I am confused though, because in the non-outty answer he gave to my question of who he blocked last night, he said Cookie 2. I had assumed Cookie 2 was 'Someone' though, which was actually making me think we were going to be ok lynching him.

The other candidate that makes the most sense to me for someone is Sig 2, since they had both been not around, and one of the more recent messages from Someone was also to that effect.

So, I think we should lynch Cookie 2 next now. She's not on the even night kill team, but getting rid of her might eliminate the odd night kill team.

I've been going back and forth, worrying that Cobalt 2 had been recruited and that Elohcin 2 was making the baddie team 2, but with llama 2 coming back as the blocker, i think nothing has changed from when Bass 2 checked him. The kill did go in last night, but I'm pretty sure Cobalt 2 was one of the two people who missed sending in an action.

I want to re-read llama 2 and see if I can puzzle out any of his other night targets, because I do think he is the reason so many of the odd night kills were failing, but if he were targeting a surviving player on odd nights, and not confirmed dead baddies, then it might have not been Cookie 2, but someone else sending in the kill. I don't expect that to be the case, but it's worth trying to figure out if he left any clues, in the chance I'm wrong about Cookie 2.

Cobalt 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Cobalt 2, top 2 choices for this lynch?

Man, it'd have to be llama 2. All signs point to early recruit.

The other? Tough to say, I have to think it over some more.

So you agree with the theory Ricochet 2 laid out, that Bass 2 targeted him, was killed because of it, and llama 2 was RBed last night as the even killer?

Llama 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Llama 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:I am not sure what the rules on this would be, so if it's not allowed to be answered, then it's a bummer but:

llama 2: If anyone, who did you target last night?

As much as I would love to play telephone, I am very sure that violates the info dumping policy.

Also, to what end do you want to know?

If you're a civilian with the role you've making it sound like you have, and you get lynched and do turn out to be that role, it would be handy to know.

where is cookie, anyway?

Why would I know?

Roxy wrote:

Ricochet 2 wrote:OK, that's really useful. We know that these four reads were all legitimate.

One more, splints - if Bass checked someone and they were recruited the same night, what would the outcome be?

It would be all about the timing.

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Follow up FS. If a baddie had a power, and inherited a kill, would you be counting that as 1 or 2 missed actions, for the purposes of my last question?

You mean if they failed to send a PM at all?

2.

So, if Bass 2 sent in his PM first, and then the person was recruited, the result would have been civilian, and if not, Bass 2 would have died. I'm not sure this changes a whole lot, most of us Bass 2 vouched for could have been recruited after he checked us anyways, and we don't know for sure that he ever did check Dom 2 at all.

Yes, that was what I meant.

So, I think we have two options.

The first is we lynch llama 2.

If he is bad, I think both missing actions were a single person, who had been recruited by Elohcin 2, and that that is a second baddie team, and they missed their PM last night. We would lynch them next. In this scenario, Bass 2 was killed because they hid behind llama 2.

If he is good, that re-confirms 1 result Bass 2 had, imo, and we lynch Sig 2 next.

Or we lynch Sig 2.

If he's bad, we don't have the same information we get from llama 2 being bad. For me though, I think it's more likely Sig 2 is bad, so that's why this is my preference.

If Sig 2 is good, we lynch llama 2 next. Then we get the same information from lynching llama 2 that we would get from lynching him today anyways.

Unless there is anyone who doesn't think either of them is bad, which isn't the feeling I am getting, I do not think we need to worry about a third option.

Epignosis 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Epignosis 2, are you still with us? Any thoughts to share?

I'm here finally, I will need to look things over we had some very early votes this phase which is strange.

@Lipsticklacey 2 could you tell me why your voting for Sig 2 or why should I vote for him?

Bass 2 do we know what his role did? am I correct in saying his role lets him hide behind civilians, and when he hides behind a mafia member he will die? This means we might not have even had a kill last night and he might have hid behind someone and died or he was just killed. His top two were Llama and Sig, what I don't understand then why was there only one death? Bass 2 death wouldn't have counted for the mafia's kill right? This being night 8 was the night that the mafia has been killed in.
If Bass hid behind a SK would he still be killed or no?

I don't like this post from Sig 2, he also very quickly jumps on Llama 2 this could be becasue he thought he found something or because he is scum and trying to set up a lynch. Thoughts on this?

Sig 2 wrote:Hey I'm here. I've been on holidays for the last week but kept up as best I could. My tunneling on LC2 should be enough to show my civvie Ness I would think, but either way I should start contributing more once I've settled in tomorrow. For now I need to rest my poor neck.

What Bass has said about Llama is damning, however I'm not sure, Llama gives a good counter and I started to feel off about Sig awhile ago. Sig also jumped on Llama very quickly.

What I need to know is this, if Bass hid behind a Serial Killer/Independent would he die or is that only if he hides behind mafia? IF he would die no matter who he hides behind if they aren't civilian then I have a theory.

Cookie why are you voting for Dom?

I will most likely be voting for either Sig or Llama I'm just not sure which yet.

Based on what FS has said, Bass 2 would have died if there target was any alignment other than civilian, including independents/a SKer. Yes, you have what Bass 2's role did correct.

I voted for Sig 2 because he spread misinformation, and I think it was an attempt to get an early bandwagon on llama 2.

Llama 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Ricochet 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Rico 2, are the only 2 people you're really considering today llama 2 and Cookie 2, or is there anyone else?

There really isn't, not today. There is a narrow band of people who can be bad, and that does include Sig, epi, and potentially cobalt. Those three I don't get particularly bad vibes from, enough to justify a vote ahead of the other two.

Although I strongly lean llama over cookie right now.

I'd agree with that, between llama 2 and Cookie 2, I think it would a mistake to go with Cookie 2.

You're sure whistling a different tune. Cookie can't give you milk like a llama can. Not much milk, but milk nonetheless.

I don't like Sig 2's reasons, because he's lying about things. That doesn't mean there are no reasons, and they hold up better than the reasons for Cookie 2 being bad.

Ricochet 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Rico 2, are the only 2 people you're really considering today llama 2 and Cookie 2, or is there anyone else?

There really isn't, not today. There is a narrow band of people who can be bad, and that does include Sig, epi, and potentially cobalt. Those three I don't get particularly bad vibes from, enough to justify a vote ahead of the other two.

Although I strongly lean llama over cookie right now.

I'd agree with that, between llama 2 and Cookie 2, I think it would a mistake to go with Cookie 2.

Llama 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:llama 2, I'm not really sure who you're leaning towards. Assuming you do not need to use your vote to try and save yourself, who would your top two choices be for your vote today?

If Rico 2 isn't in that top 2, do you suspect him at all?

I'm not particularly leaning bad on him, but haven't given him a good read through.

Let me pose this to you- who do you currently view as being on SVS' team?

That might help me make a better decision.

Golden 2 probably was.

Scotty 2 could go either way.

I'm not convinced LC2 was on that team.

For surviving players, the only people I don't think can be are me, MM2, Cobalt 2, and Dom 2.

Cobalt 2, top 2 choices for this lynch?

Dom 2, on a scale of 1-13.7689, how weird did you find Cookie 2's vote for you?

Also, top 2 choices for lynch today? If Cookie 2 is one of the 2, can you please include a third.

MM2, do you have a clue now?

Epignosis 2, are you still with us? Any thoughts to share?

llama 2, I'm not really sure who you're leaning towards. Assuming you do not need to use your vote to try and save yourself, who would your top two choices be for your vote today?

If Rico 2 isn't in that top 2, do you suspect him at all?

Rico 2, are the only 2 people you're really considering today llama 2 and Cookie 2, or is there anyone else?

Llama 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:I am not sure what the rules on this would be, so if it's not allowed to be answered, then it's a bummer but:

llama 2: If anyone, who did you target last night?

As much as I would love to play telephone, I am very sure that violates the info dumping policy.

Also, to what end do you want to know?

If you're a civilian with the role you've making it sound like you have, and you get lynched and do turn out to be that role, it would be handy to know.

Follow up FS. If a baddie had a power, and inherited a kill, would you be counting that as 1 or 2 missed actions, for the purposes of my last question?

I am not sure what the rules on this would be, so if it's not allowed to be answered, then it's a bummer but:

llama 2: If anyone, who did you target last night?

Ricochet 2 wrote:One of those nights was ended very early, and it was only 6 possibilities. Take out night one (possibly cookie missed) and that leaves you 5... including death night. MM night three, lacey night four, cobalt night five, dom night 6, llama night 8.

Unfortunately, if that is correct I think it also leaves some of the earlier results open to having been recruited afterwards?

All things considered, I keep coming back to Cookie as the best choice for a lynch.

N7, but PMs were still accepted, based on what Roxy said in thread between the lynch ending and the night ending. It was a small window, but if Bass 2 were around then, it's possible he got his PM in.

I was including N2 as a possibility for a PM, since it's possible he did get one in that night. I had already assumed n1 cookie sent in nothing.

Llama 2 wrote:If Bass 2 died behind a mafia member tonight, then why was there no mafia kill?

Can you plausibly answer that, sig?

It does look pretty clearing for Lacey, MM and Cobalt. *Possibly* Dom. That is a point I agree on with you.

Not knowing the date when WrDilgy replaced Cookie, we won't know how many people Bass 2 was able to look into and hide behind.

WrDilgy replaced in on day 2. I think he missed the N2 pm, but that one I'm not sure. That leaves n3,4,5,6, 7 and 8. So of 7 total possibilities, he had 3, maybe 4 names for people he trusted, and he planned to target you. If he targeted the same people twice, since he knew he was safe to, that would account for missing names. He could also have been RBed, but told that was the case, but that's still an outstanding question.

Cobalt 2 wrote:I don't want you to think I'm defending sig2 here, but lips, why vote for him so early? I agree with him that Bass 2 was the goose the laid the (PARDON THE EXPRESSION) golden egg here. Its not foolproof I agree......but isn't this the kind of information a hider is supposed to provide to the town?

To counter him. Whatever his intention, and I do not believe it was a good one, not calling him out could have easily led to a bandwagon that missed the obvious.

This whole game has seen lots of early votes. If one person had come in after him, agreed with, and also cast a vote on llama 2, i think things would have spiralled from there.

The easiest way to make people slow down was to back it up with a vote, otherwise it's easier to ignore.
So I did that, and now we still have 7 votes left with things even, instead of only a few votes left and a badndwagon.