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report//DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:After reading through the thread, I cannot find anyone seeming like they have more information than others (exception DrumBeats). Perhaps the process is hiding amogst low posters. Interesting how quickly Drum and MP bussed one another.
linki-Cell, who do you want to win?
re//JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Yes, MP is the other "named" player that Snapshot has had a grievance about. He/she suggested that lynching one of those two gives us a "50% chance", I assume of a productive result. I don't know if that's meant to imply organic suspicion or information-based suspicion. Snapshot, are you able to add any clarity regarding your suspicion of MP?DFaraday wrote:I think JJJ makes some good points about Snapshot. If it's role checking people we shouldn't be quick to dismiss its suspicions (for that matter, it was also suspecting MP, right?). And I agree that one player controlling that many abilities seems unlikely, so we can't say that Snapshot is necessarily synonymous with the Process. I'm considering a Drum vote today, but I also want to look over the MP case, since I didn't quite catch what the case on him is about.
Sorsha wrote:Nope.
Like I stated, I can't crumb for free. Don't want mafia murking me (a confirmed role checker) before the process is eliminated. I will only validate that there's at least 50% chance to get a baddie if you vote between the two. I would like to add, I have no Idea what Luna is and it worries me.
If I ever give you 100% on someone though, nuke them off the face of the map.
re//JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Later Scotty.
Snapshot was revealed as a role checker. My immediate reaction to that is it's not a good look for DrumBeats. My perception that Snaphot's ISO on DrumBeats didn't seem entirely sincere could be resolved by the role check -- if Snapshot knows DB is bad, then he/she/it has to convey it somehow, and a big ISO is an ideal method.
Mongoose wrote:Which is why we should stop indiscriminately killing elements and look to whomever is mafia and the process.
So here's how this works. I'm not crumbing out my data for free. If town wants my resources, then they need to focus on finding the process. My list regarding the players is still the same, MP, Drum, Man, Luna, and Cell. Though, if you choose between the two "named" players, I can assure you a 50% chance.
Adios Scotty, I trusted you 2nd most.
static response//Scotty wrote:No.thellama73 wrote:I'm back from the convention, guys! Did I miss anything good?
Hey guys, I'm back from the nearest star nebula! Did I miss anything good?
No.
Ello Guys! I'm still busy, but very excited to reply to everyone! Did I miss anything good?
re//JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I am inclined to agree. I don't really feel like Snapshot provided an unbiased perspective of your post history. The point it made linking you to the night kill of Young Lady strikes me as especially dubious, because it'd be an inconsistency to associate your early game anti-Process talk, which always required the baddies to make the first move, with this sort of "worry that caught up to you". That'd be to suggest that you're the only player in the game who'd kill a process element at any point, and that's not an association I think is sensible. I'm not entirely convinced that we have to perceive every element of the Process as being partially or completely motivated to assist whichever player has that role, because that would seem overpowered to me -- a lot of abilities that would combine to create an extremely formidable arsenal. Snapshot's move against you though, being sort of anti-anti-Process as it is, would seem by extension pro-Process.DrumBeats wrote:Wow, Process wants me dead. In response to JJJ thinking the Process has an agenda in ISO'ing me, that much is obvious. I am a threat to them because I have been and will continue to be the most vocal person in pursuing the eradication of the Process.
I'm sorry but that's very silly. I made a few posts in succession while I was around and apparently nobody else was. There's really nothing more to say about that.DrumBeats wrote:Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh. So yeah. We need to lynch one of these. I actually based on that ISO suspect JJJ or MP to be the Process controlling all of these. One thing I noticed was that the whole time JJJ posted, he was uninterupted by these Socks.
Enrique wrote:I'm not going to lie about what caught my eye and why I originally ISO'd DrumBeats, and yes it was his targeting of us elements. In regards to lynching other elements, I don't think they are actually scum hunting, and I don't think they can all be town aligned. Drum, MP, Man, Luna, Cell. Sad that the Young Lady was killed because out of all the elements, I thought she may have been in the same boat as I (if I were an element of course).
u - Perhaps, you are correct. Drumbeats I found to be the most vocal in regards to killing off elements, and in my head I linked them together.
b - When does this flip occur? I'm looking for those who have more information I would advise everyone else do the same.
I don't have time to respond to Drum's in ISO responses, I'll try to do so before EoD.
(also, if there's a means to learn what I do, that may be able to assist you in reading me)
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:That Snapshot bothered to compile that ISO on DrumBeats at all suggests to me that some kind of agenda is being pursued and that we probably shouldn't entirely ignore it. I'll allow DrumBeats to answer to it before I state my own perspective.
Spacedaisy wrote:The agenda hasn't changed. Locate and destroy the process, help civilians while doing so.
It is entirely possible and likely that DrumBeats and MP are on the same team. This is based on DrumBeats interactions with MP.
cloning data//Luna wrote:Grrrrrrrrrrr..bark! Bark!
sending report//timmer wrote:Is this your opinion regarding my whole ISO? None of it makes sense then? A shame.
Dog, why do you think Luna wasn't mentioned here?DrumBeats wrote:Thanks mafia!
I say we lynch an element today. Operator has a name that sounds important imo, snapshot is probably a decent option too. Cell seems relatively useless so I would suggest leaving cell alive.
Feel free to answer this Drum. I am curious as to what the dog says first though.
replay?>.agleaminranks wrote:I know if the mod isn't just having a lot of fun with the Elements. We should be paying serious attention to at least some them. Especially that ISO if I'm civ or want ro find the process.
instances compiled//Roxy wrote:I think it's time we lynch Drumbeats. I did an ISO on him and here's what I got.
instance//Roxy wrote:So here's almost half of drumbeats posts, they deal mostly with finding and eliminating the process via targeting the elements. 1st of all, I don't understand were the notion that the elements are the process came from.Makes me think that there are both players and elements that serve the process. Perhaps some are civs and some are mafia. All I know is that this game isn't as clear cut as some believe.Epignosis wrote:The Process will manifest itself in multiple ways.
Something to be noted about the last &^*@^#$*& was Drumbeats worry. Drumbeats not only encouraged mafia to kill an element (a cute one at that), but was also worried about the elements. Perhaps that worry caught up to Drumbeats and forced his hand during last nights NK?
Also in Drumbeat's &(*@#(* quote, we see first sign of suspicion towards Zebra, based on supposed slip.
quick load//DrumBeats wrote:Here are the reads I have atm:
Town reads/leans:
MovingPictures07 - Seems to be genuinely pushing discussion
Elohcin - Active and given me no reason to suspect them. Could be a biased opinion due to them being the one person who actually acknowledged my idea without twisting it into "lets ignore the mafia"
JJJ - Seems to be genuinely scumhunting. A little less active than he seems to usually be but he's in a ton of games at once right now iirc.
Null reads:
DrWigly - How the hell do you read somebody like this
Matt - Seems to be different than the conspiracy theory Matt I've seen before, though I'm not sure what that says of his alignment. Very unhelpful and I don't like the early vote, but I'm still not sure here.
Scum reads/leans:
Zebra - Potential scumslip, plus acting WAY too confused about everything. Has contributed nothing and locked a vote way early. My largest scumread right now.
Illyria - Haven't seen much here, but one thing I noticed is that I think Illyria is just skimming. Illyria expressed distaste for my plan saying that we can't trust the mafia and then basically suggested a less civ-beneficial version my plan by saying we should just wait a few days and do it. Should that idea go through it would get rid of scum obligation in removing the threat, which makes me scum lean Illyria a bit.
Dependent read:
Nutella - Depending on the answer to my last question.
instance//Roxy wrote:A townread on Eloh, a scumread as two players I ANALYZE as being good... noted in Illyria re// Drum seems to have a solid mindset on what the mafia want to do, and will do (from last night). A vague gap left for Wilgy.
@DRUMBEATS how did Wilgy compare to Illyria?
quick load//DrumBeats wrote:Gotcha, thanks for the answer of there was no malicious intent possible. It was an opportunistic suspicion that you thought you could bank on without actually having a base for it.nutella wrote:Aw bye Illy, sad to see you go. Welcome Mac.
Drum: I admit I didn't fully understand your plan at first. But I still think it's somewhat dangerous to focus on lynching the one rogue rather than the mafia, and we don't even fully understand how targeting elements of the Process works. It just seems like a waste of lynch opportunities to me -- perhaps it would weaken the Process but at the cost of keeping the mafia alive.
Current "vote": Nutella
Fabricating a scumread for malicious intent that you cannot back up or provide makes the read feel forced and opportunistic.
instance//Roxy wrote:Looking back. Calling Nutella Juice opportunistic for not agreeing with your plan and starting the Nutella Juice line of product isn't a good look.
quick load//DrumBeats wrote:Nope, you don't know how I felt because you didn't have literally the whole thread misconstrue and not actually read what you were saying. I will say it again though, no trust is needed. It doesn't even have to be a back and forth with the mafia, I'm just proposing a 1:1 trade with them. They kill an element instead of us, we lynch one. Easy and harmless for us, and it hurts the Process.nijuukyugou wrote:Argh. Now I understand how DrumBeats felt. I didn't misconstrue what he proposed, at least as far as I know. I know the plan was contingent upon the mafia acting first in civilian favor. I reiterate that even if this happened, it STILL requires trust in the mafia to do the back and forth, and for us to be on their side by lynching an element. They would still have to comply in lynching the element with us, too. But I suppose now that I think about it, it would be hard to hide if you chose not to vote along as an "agreement." Still, it's too risky, their team is too big, and there are too many unknowns at this point, especially at the point that the plan was proposed. Does that make sense? I don't blame him or think he's bad for suggesting the plan; I just don't think it's a good idea.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:nijuukyugou
This is snipped from a larger post. She asserted that Zebra's behavior was "weird as shit", but didn't make a definitive accusation. I'll follow the progression.Spoiler: show
Her comment @DrumBeats strikes me as a misconstruing of what he was proposing. This came after he reiterated/restated his idea to emphasize that it required no actual trust of the baddie team (because it required them to make the first move). I'm not sure what trust nijuu was suggesting had to exist for this plan to function. I don't know whether that means anything, but it's something nijuu can talk about and perhaps that'll substantiate any resulting read.
I'll post more substantially later tonight or tomorrow, but I did want to respond to that first.
Linki - The site's been kinda funky lately, at least for me, and I think others, as well, but tonight it's cooperating
instance//Roxy wrote:Rather harsh to say the whole thread miscontrue'd something. Miscontrue'd is not a string within my database. Unkown if this hurts the process, but Drum continues pushing the notion.
quick load//DrumBeats wrote:Think you're grasping at straws there. There are barrels of WIFOM behind anything the Process posts, anything they say about people are inconclusive honestly. You grasping onto that makes me wonder if you're scum or mafia trying to take an easy shot.thellama73 wrote:I'm glad McDougall is here. He can usually see through the nonsense. The Cell reads JJJ as inconclusive. Is that not suspicious to anyone else?
instance compiled//Roxy wrote:All accusations of opportunism are discredited based on data above. Seems to be a common angle with Drum. Slips and calling opportunism. Perhaps it can be called opportunism here, but these claims seem too easy.
instance//Roxy wrote:I find this humorous. RIP in peace Nutella brand Juice cartons.
quick load//DrumBeats wrote:I've laid out my reasons and I do not find Elo to be a better option imo.
Nutella
instance redacted//Roxy wrote:Mentioning Elo, where it doesn't need to be mentioned is a very bad look.
results final//Roxy wrote:My final processing of Drumbeats is rather bad. Two theories come to mind. He's either mafia, or he is somehow aligned with the process. These set in stone thoughts about the process leads me to believe he might know more than others, and wants others to think in a certain manner. His confiding in the mafia to eliminate us also can point to either Drum being mafia or process. I do not believe eliminating me will assist in your search for the process, and I do believe we are being scapegoated. Mentions of Elo that are wrong, or misplaced cause for worry. Voting off wagon civs until his wagon came around is not good either.
Final percent:
70% Mafia
30% Process
re//DrumBeats wrote:Thanks mafia! Which I am.
I'm mean to cell and assumptious regarding the process.
report failed//birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't think Mac is mafia. Probably a lazy civ. I have my doubts regarding llama and drum. Snapshot should review him when it has the chance.
nijuukyugou wrote:Voting Young Lady.
Scotty wrote:In a situation like this, I (Scotty) think that we should pressure the likes of Mac and Llama. They are around, but not. Dead, but talking.
MacDougall wrote:I'm bad and need to be voted on. I'm not contributing and should be lynched. Sadly I am not on the poll.
re//JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The easy thing about Day 3's limited poll options is that we're left in a position this day phase where it's easy to progress reads in a meaningful way. There were three choices and one of them was lynched by a pretty wide margin. I think each player remaining needs to establish a !#$@% set of reads on everyone else to facilitate the most productive dialogue this phase before we begin to approach the deadline. Maybe we can even try a G[o]T[o]H[ell] exercise, though in this small/slow game it might be difficult to get a decent number of people in here simultaneously.
Golden wrote:I would compare the Nerolunar voter's suspicion from before day 3's poll to thier suspicion on day 3 if I were here.
re//MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP Wilgy!
I've been pretty busy with PhD stuff, and now Draconus's Attack on Titan game has started so my mafia attention is already split between the two games. I'm going to re-examine the lower part of my rainbow list today.
To everyone: Whom are you considering for a vote today (tentatively) and why?
present errors 3//Epignosis wrote:Citizens...?Alive
agleaminranks
AllAlongtheBoardwalk //error entry not found
DFaraday
DrumBeats
DrWilgy
Illyria //error entry not found
JaggedJimmyJay
YumYum
MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou
nutella
reywaS //error entry not found
thellama73
Dead
a2thezebra - Lynched Day 1: Farrah Yon-Dale
sig - Killed Night 1.
Elohcin - Lynched Day 2: Sybil Reisz
Matt - Killed Night 2.
Nerolunar - Lynched Day 3: Subject Not Found
present errors 3//MovingPictures07 wrote:vote today //error 3 invalid entries
Scotty wrote:Hello, boys and girls.
I'm behind. Which of the 3 on the poll is a member of the @&$^!)*?
It's ok if you want to confess a bit. I'm a great ^@&^@.
kneel4justice wrote:Hi everyone! D:
I haven't played mafia in nearly 9 months, I think? I used to be addicted, lol. I'm excited to be back!
Sorry to have missed you ^@&*! (I was really hoping to get to play with you again) not Sig.
I've been reading/skimming the game as it happened for the most part, so I'll see if I can get some of my thoughts posted tonight (no promises though).
errors cloned 3//MacDougall wrote:Hello you friends. I am [not] on your %^&$.
thellama73 wrote:I just want to say I think I'm "slight mafia". Shows I still have my edge. :toast:
