The Syndicate

Eff you, buddeh.

That's a very good point. Changed my vote.

Voted Shaw. No time to post much lately, sorry for my lack of content.

Hawkeye, if you are silenced, switch your settings so that you arent hidden, and let us see your name at the bottom of the thread.

I put my vote on Hawkeye for now. I'll move it later if need be, but for now he seems like a solid target.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:
Well this is the only useful thing I found. Whoever built the case on Marrow was right, she did a TON of distancing from civ lynches. So good sleuthing there.

I'd like to hear from Hawkeye regarding the him being Sentinel thing

Wow I owe Hawkeye a big apology!! Finally! !

If hawkeye were on the poll I think I would vote him, tbh.

as it stands, I'm going to vote with shaw, phoenix is promoting the "vote marrow" idea and I feel weird aboutit now due to hawkeye so the whole lynching marrow thing feels like a magneto based plot to me. Its all I got, im at a loss for better.

I dont know, im just not sure I trust hawkeye, so I thus dont trust his choosing marrow, especially after his reasoning seems backwards. Marrow is likely to be protected, lets vote marrow? Maybe he jnows marrow is protected and slipped... like, after shaw yesterday marrow is the next low posrer. I could see magneto targeting marrow and then the baddies planning to vote that way since "magneto wouldnt protect marrow"... it all feels weird.

Holy crap where is everyone? I have no real idea today, none at all.

I feel like hawkeye voting marrow feels too easy.

What does hawkeye mean by saying he is safe today? He means he cant be lynched?

Deadpool, whatever happened to your suspicion of me?

I don't get it.So Hawkeye thinks Marrow is protected and then votes her? He must have mistyped something??

Only back for a second. Hawkeye, I dont have any specific thoughts, so if youve got an ideato promote go for it...

I couldnt follow the rezz stuff much, can anyone tell me ehich sock names we assume eloh and bullz to be?

I will say this, though. Ive read back enough to say that I find it very interesting that the instant prof x tells us to look elsewhere, the idea that he is dead and the msg is from someone else shows up. More later.

I'm here, sorry I'm just tied up with stuff, I'll try to catch up...

Havok wrote:One thing I don't think that we've discussed is why this 7? There have been 11 players either NKed or lynched in this game, so why are we choosing between only this lot?

5 players have been NKed in this game while 6 players have been lynched. If the top 4 on the poll are the lynched players, I would bet that Exodus and Domino are both represented there. k4j could very well be Exodus like is being discussed. If I had to guess, I would say that Boogs was Domino. Thinking back to Domino's posts, Boogs is a good match IMO. Therefore, I will likely vote for either Elohcin or A Person for the top portion of the poll.

I'm still contemplating the bottom half.

I wonder if some of the earlier deadies replaced back in to other roles, and thus are unavailable for rebirth?

Lol, hmm.... snyway...

I'm no good at figuring out roles, someone tell me who is dazzler, and who is quicksilver, and I'm good to go.

White Queen wrote: I know i have affected British/Canadian spelling in other sockpuppet games (colour, etc). So i would not be so sure that that has any bearing.

Linki; so much the better. Clear eyes. I love this poll

Some of us don't need to "affect" that

Interesting poll...

Polaris wrote:And if he flips bad, no one give Vision credit, and just say you did your homework.

People have to read back through a guy's posts and make up their own minds.

I swear to God, if Shaw flips civ and those later voters turn on me as if this is MY fault, imma be pissed. Own your vote, don't be all hesitant about it now. Either we are right or we are wrong, but make sure, if you are going to follow my vote on somebody that you do your own homework, I'll never take responsibility for your shit, lol.

Marrow wrote:The problem is, if I vote for Shaw, and he's civ, you'll just look at it and say: "Guess he's keeping to the trend."

If I vote for him, and he's bad, you'll just look at it and say "He must have realized that we caught on!"

There's no way for me to win. I find him suspicious, but that's beside the point. I don't want to self-vote or vote for some random guy, because I want to actually catch someone, but I'm not seeing any way I can without you jumping all over me.

Also, for the last few in-game days, I've been coming into the thread a few hours before the poll ends. That's when I read up and vote. That's why I immediately saw Vision's post about me being quoted by Spiral second in the thread. That caught my attention. So, you suspect me for being inactive, which I'm going to try and stop being, not voting for civvies, and visiting the thread a couple of hours before the poll ends, as I have been doing most of the game.

I don't even know what to do anymore.

TBH, I try to not play with blinders on. Obivously, sometimes inactive players are inactive players. The tone of your posts is what pinged me more than the number of them. So, if you can read thru some of the cases, explain why you think A is a better place for your vote over B etc. I will reevaluate as needed. My mins isn't made up about anyone in this game.

No matter what, don't throw in the towel. Hell, even if you're bad, you shouldn't. Always fight until the end.

FWIW, I'm voting Shaw over you today, so you've got no worries from me for the moment, anyway!

Deadpool wrote:i actually wanna vote 4 u viz becuz i think u and mikhail rasputin are brotherhoodlums 2gether but i have no idea how 2 make a case on either 1 of u and if i speak out against u ill probs get killed and i dont wanna die

so i dont really care 2 convince u of anythin lol i think ur bad and i think spiral mite b one of the horsemen.

So you think spiral is bad, despite never having mentioned him in a negative way before, and when I ask you to explain your thoughts, you NO U me and call me bad? Da fuq?

It seems calling out Marrow and Shaw is having an interesting effect around here.

Oh, and Deadpool we don't actually know that there are any horsemen, remember?

Speaking of Apocalypse, hey White Queen how do you feel about a Shaw lynch?

As for the formula, I'm not worrying about it too much today. I feel like so many new names are being thrown around, that trying to guess which ones Magneto may have messed with is likely impossible. For me, anyway, give it a go if you want to try to guess, I'll listen, lol!

Hawkeye, I read back thru his posts an hour or so ago because I saw Mikhail had voted him. I think Spiral is active, a bit snarky, has gotten into some fights with Mikhail and others, and definitely could be bad, but I could read him as a good guy, too. He's in the middle for me, so I doubt I'll be voting him today. I feel like he and Mikhail and just alpha-maling against each other, frankly. I'm curious to hear what Deadpool has to say about it, though.

Deadpool wrote:viz i think spiral sounds bad im probs gonna vote4him

Deadpool, I searched your posts, and you've only mentioned spiral twice before this, and neither time in a negative way. in fact, the first time you mentioned him you agreed with him about something.

Why is he suddenly bad? If you think voting Shaw/Marrow is a bad idea and spiral is a better one, I need more than "sounds bad", man.

Deadpool wrote:so after all that jibberjab u guys wanna lynch a low poster on day 7. real original guys i guess the baddies must truly b runnin the show after all. thats some weaksauce. i wont be votin for shaw or marrow just cuz they aint been as prolific of posters as some of yall

I'm open to suggestions, deadpool, gimme a case to peruse!

Avalanche wrote:So Marrow doesn't post anything for a week, and then after her name is brought up, she pops in to explain herself? Seems fishy, eh?

I didn't want to say it, but... lol, yes.

Since you are here Marrow, tell me, would you be up for a Shaw lynch? You can read his posts, there aren't a ton. LMK what you think of him. And if not Shaw, who will you vote for? And why?

Marrow wrote:I want to apologize for not being around enough, RL has gotten in the way, and I'm struggling to vote every day. Other than me not being around, which is not my choice, your only other point against me is that I didn't lynch civvies. I see no flaws in that logic.

There's a subtle difference here, though.

Player A has a vote history of not being on lynch trains of civs. They always discuss their reasoning for voting how they do, they put forth suspicions, they defend who they feel is civ and try to keep people from voting them.

Player B has a vote history of not being on lynch trains of civs. They never really pursue any suspicions. They never explain why they feel how they do about people. They just say "oh, that guy's civ, I'm not touching that lynch train".

Guess which tends to be a baddie?

Epignosis wrote: That's quite a loaded question, isn't it?

:P C'mon man, spill.

Longshot wrote:I am fine voting Shaw or Marrow or Spiral. I've thought Shaw is hinky ever since he refused, no matter how many times i asked, to explain why he voted for Cable other than "he's bad". I just think it's important for us not to split our votes if we can help it. Who else is on our side that we can count on to vote with us?

There's no time to build a consensus for this lynch. I'd say vote who you feel is likely to be bad, and hope others do the same.

I'm voting Shaw. He has a bit more meat to his posts than Marrow, and should yield more leads if the lynch is a success.

I just read through Shaw's posts, all 27 of them.

He's done the same thing as Marrow; consistently saying "oh, that guy is good" with no explanation, and then when "that guy" is lynched and is civ, Shaw says "shoulda listened" or what have you.

These two sound like baddies coasting along, because baddies know who the civs are. And civs, if they have an info role or info from a prize, would try harder to convince people not to vote for civs; Marrow and Shaw just kind of put it out there that so-n-so is good without any thoughts.

I'm fine voting for one of them. Interesting to note, Shaw has been fairly supportive of The White Queen.

Marrow has been very unhelpful. Reading thru the content takes about 3 minutes. And Marrow made a point a few times of staying clear of some eventual-civ lynches "I'm not touching THAT" etc. Baddies know who the civs are, so when someone is so defiantly against lynches that the rest of us felt were worth following, hindsight sometimes is telling.

But is that enough to warrant a lynch? It's Day 7, we've talked about so much... to now turn and lynch a quiet player seems weird, frankly. Is there a different quieter player whose got a better case to be made? I don't have time read back on Shaw or Deadpool, but I'm open to listening to cases there, and if we do go Marrow I'll support it, but I'd rather something a bit meatier.

I've reread the Shadowcat/Exodus/Domino clusterfuck about 4 times, and every time I come up unsure. If Shadowcat is bad, she played it perfectly. If Exodus was bad, he played it horribly. If Domino was bad, it could go either way.

But here's my sticky point. if SC is bad, and Exodus was Gambit, I'm not sure I get why Domino (thus also bad, did what he did). If Domino kept his mouth shut about everything, we'd have likely lynched SC next. But by doing what he did, Domino died instead. One way, you've got a dead SC. the other, you've got a dead Domino and a Shadowcat STILL not cleared. It's wasteful, and when have you ever seen a baddie kamikaze like that for a teammate?

So I guess I'm leaning towards Exodus being Mystique, Shadowcat and Domino civs playing with very little subtlety about info lol, and the baddie team must be made up of a lot of inactive, unhelpful players?

Shadowcat wrote: That wasn't the intent. From some additional info I had, it made me start to think there was a good chance Exodus was bad. But I wanted to go back and re-read him because I felt that, in context, what he was saying would either confirm or eliminate my suspicions of him. In this case, however, it most certainly confirmed it for me.

And before I forget, votes Exodus.

A question for SC.

What could Exodus have said that would have eliminated your suspicion of him?

I don't mean to infer that you might be the Sentinels, that was just an example of the various vote things in this game. And I've scrambled enough and caused enough scrambling in this game to not judge you for last-minute panicking. I just like to flesh these things out and read responses, etc.

As for the Shadowcat issue, the thing is, I feel her information was genuine, something Havok doesn't seem to see. He keeps calling it fake. But as I think you said, Exodus basically said that her info was correct, whatever it was, but that he hadn't come to such a definite conclusion as her, etc. So I don't think there is any doubt that shadow cat had that info, it's not fake. The question is whether she lied about it to pre-empt what she thought was an imminent such attack from Exodus.

IMO, yes a shadow cat would answer that question, of COURSE it would, but I don't like such ideas; the idea of lynching a player to find OUT if they are bad, is misguided. I do think we have to solve the Gambit question, but I feel like there has to be an answer somewhere in the thread. We've got to be smart and decide without blindly lynching SC. Counting how many players are left in the game, and IF Apocalypse has any kind of ties to some players, there are potentially very few of us civs left, so the idea of tossing one to the wolves for info isn't appealing.

Polaris wrote:
Like I said yesterday, the reason I did switch my vote at the very end was because I just wasn't certain, so I figured that it couldn't hurt to pass the decision on to Cyclops, someone we know is a civvie, assuming he's alive.

There's one problem with this explanation of yours. You clearly have your finger on the pulse here, you know how Cyclops' role works and you say that you tied up the lynch to put it in his hands. Yet, making the lynch a tie is in fact a way to guarantee that it WON'T go into Cyclops hands. His vote is worth three. And you don't know which player he is (I assume). So by definition, you say you wanted to put the lynch in Cyclops' hands but you created a situation that was VERY unlikely to do that, unless you also had knowledge of, say, the Sentinels' current vote strength etc.

If you wanted Cyclops to have the best chance to get a tie to judge, you should have made the lynch more lopsided and hoped he had voted on the lesser side.

I find it interesting that you had Cyclops' role so much in the front of your mind, but forgot this simple part of his role.

Mikhail, I'm a little surprised that you have me so high on your list of suspects. I've never attacked you the way others have, and I've explained my shifting feelings about everything in the game as best I can. I covered the Magneto stuff like crazy during that one lynch because I found myself suddenly cleared to post with like 90 minutes left in the lynch period, and I had a lot to say in a short time. And remember that that pulled votes off of a civ; me barrelling in like I did made no sense if I were bad, why even admit i could speak in that scenario? the lynch was going fine, from a baddie perspective. I've been clear that I think solving the Gambot issue is paramount… basically, I'm surprised, because it seems like a lot of what I've been saying is similar to what YOU'VE been saying, thus your suspicion baffles me. Also in the last lynch, with people switching votes to WQ etc. my vote was on a third party. Why would I waste my vote if the assumption is that the baddies were working so hard to get enough votes where they wanted them?

I know I've been siding with Havok, but I've had my reasons and I've mentioned several times that I'm not 100% sure of my thoughts there, but I'm comfortable with it still.

I think we need two things. We need to lynch a baddie to solve the Gambit question. And then we need to talk about Apocalypse. But you won't get any of that from eyeing me. I'm going to go back now to figure out who might be best.

Longshot wrote:Vision, I have the hosts permission to tell you that my book option did not have anything to do with players.

Interesting. Okay, I can get on board the idea that WQ could be Apocalypse. I'm not going to say it's for sure, but it seems like a pretty decent idea, anyway. I've got to put some thought to this...

White Queen wrote: focusing on that role will not be helpful when we have not lynched a single baddie

We have lynched one. We just don't know which it is, lol. Frankly, figuring out which Gambit was the fake would go a LONG way towards figuring this game out.

True, the horsemen idea is just a working theory of mine. How else could he die though? He has to die for us to win, but he can't die by lynch or NK, so I'd bet I'm right.

@White Queen, I'm mulling over the last few posts regarding you and your various survivals. Can you elaborate at all on how you've been surviving, if a) only Apocalypse seems to have protection from both NK and lynch built into his role and b) it doesn't seem as if you've won any of the various night polls, etc?

@Longshot, Avalanche, Sebastian Shaw, who chose the same book as WQ back on Night 1 or whenever that was, can any of you, without blurting out details, say whether that book could possibly have something to do with WQ's survivals? Or, if you don't want to even touch on that, do you support her atm, or do you feel she is bad?

Thanks.

I'm not in favor of lynching you Mikhail, I'm not sold 100% yet against you. My problem is more with some of the people around you.But for the moment, my main question for you is this. You said that we now know wq is Apocalypse. Show me hoe we know this. Pretend I just subbed in or something, and I know nothing. How do we know this?

Bansheee, I know what you mean, and it's a serious concern. In the comics, Apocalypse always found 4 mutants and amped them up, heightening their powers and calling them his "four horsemen".

Considering that Apocalypse can't be lynched or nk'd, I think it is a logical guess that he had to recruit some players to be his horsemen, and I think he will only die when they are gone.

So with two split lines, it could be Brotherhood on one side, horsemen on the other, with the rest of us spread amongst them, siding with whichever side seems civ. I know that I believe Havok to be civ, but he technically could be former civ, aka a horseman.

So yeah, I hear you. I know which side I'm supporting, but I have hesitated a bit recently to be too strident about it, because I do have some small doubts about all of it.

And if push too heavily against the brotherhood and leave Apocalypse to the side, we could end up unable to stop him later. I do feel, though, that if one side IS brotherhood and the other IS apocalypse-based, we have a good shot of lynching someone worth lynching today. I think it likely both sides are trying to weaken the other atm.

If we're going to remain split down two rough lines, with Team Havok and Team Mikhail, I'll take Team Havok.

Havok wrote:Shadowcat, Polaris, or Hawkeye today IMO. :nod:

I'm in.

Went with Avalanche and Mikhail!

Polaris wrote:

The Vision wrote:Interesting… baddies be coin' da maths…

What?

doin lol, not coin'. If there was some last minute vote splitting, I find that interesting.

there were last minute vote switches? Interesting… baddies be coin' da maths… i've got to catch up on the specifics of that!