The Syndicate

If by having my dad arrested a few months ago and having a restraining order against him means this is his punishment LC, then perhaps.
I'm quite numb to it all now, doesn't surprise me and don't let it get to me anymore.

Baddies have had this game in the bag for a long time. Not surprised I'm going to bite the dust. Got it wrong fellow townies.

Is there anybody left in the game that hasn't found me suspicious?

It would be awfully unkind of my baddie teammates to throw me under the bus like that if I had them.

Put it this way, I got bored in mafia games and that's why I stopped playing 2 years ago. The same reason I got bored is what has happened this game and I've tried to get involved anyway and I have enjoyed myself.

But I am fed up with how this game has gone and perhaps, to some degree, how it has been played by some. It's not an attack on anyone or anything, this is just an observation on how I feel about mafia.

I may be suspicious but that's because I am fed up of this game.

2 votes already? Where's the random person coming to vouch for me from nowhere? That's the thing this game, isn't it?

I'm voting DF for same reasons as before.

Long Con wrote:Ambrag, you want to save MR, don't you?

Did I tell him to move it to you?

I'm not moving it back. DF isn't going to get lynched. Snow I would think about changing yours too, it's a waste sitting on DF.

Snow Dog wrote:I actually think DF is bad. But LC could possibly be too.

I'm voting DF for now.

I say that then you come in and do that.....

FZ. wrote:I took a shower and am passing by on my way to bed.
Ambray, sure, I hold a grudge ...but that's not why I'm thinking of voting you.
I think baddies try to vote early instead of later so they don't seem like they bandwagon. You were an early voter in many of the lynches.
It's interesting that you moved your vote to LC. What happened to make you feel he's a baddie? Is it a gut thing too?

As I have explained - I am an early voted because of timezones. Simple as that.

I moved it because my vote did nothing being on DF.

I've moved my vote to LC, just because.

*wouldn't save him

LOL, how out of the blue is that?

I don't even have any votes or have really been discussed this lynch and you say to MR "Do you want to vote for Ambray?"
LOL. Really.

That wouldn't even say him.

I think you're holding on to a grudge that I helped lynch you last time, FZ. :P

What do people think of Simon?

"I don't see how your previous lynches were based on any evidence." There would be your presumption.

I was pinged by a post of his earlier this game, one I didn't quote at the time. When I went back to find it, I couldn't identify which it was and I actually felt better about him. However, I've thought about it today and wonder if I feel better about him because his posts are very hard to find anything in, I felt - it's a very careful game.

I've felt bad from him most of the game. I talked myself out of voting him yesterday. We've yet to lynch a baddie because of being swayed by what has been brought up in the thread - I'm sticking with my gut this time.

FZ. wrote:

Ambray wrote:The fact that thread evidence has got us nowhere and we are yet to lynch a baddie - I'm going with my gut. I know I talked myself out of it yesterday, but I'm sticking with it now - voting DF.

I don't see how your previous lynches were based on any evidence. This seems like a really good excuse to just lynch anyone, because heck, it's your gut feeling, so no need to actually explain your vote. If you have explained it in previous days, I apologize, but is there anything besides "gut". Your track record isn't any better than yours, so why does your gut tell you he's bad?

You are obviously yet to read the thread, so I'll let you catch up before I reply to your presumptions.

The fact that thread evidence has got us nowhere and we are yet to lynch a baddie - I'm going with my gut. I know I talked myself out of it yesterday, but I'm sticking with it now - voting DF.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Honestly, I may vote for Ambray or MR instead of LC. Both of them have practically bandwagoned or voted Snowy/Made every lynch. Not sure yet. Need to hear what others think.

WTF? How the heck have I bandwagoned?
I was the person that brought up blooper on D1 and the first to vote for them. I was the first to vote FX. Granted Made has been discussed before this lynch, but I was the first to bring him up regarding this particular lynch and vote for him.

Your use of the word is being thrown around quite easily and I don't accept that.

I even said when I voted Made, I was voting there because of the inconsistencies and the WIFOM he and Snowy were creating, but I wasn't advocating his lynch - I just needed to vote early. I wasn't expecting people to follow me like they did and I will be eyeing them.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Not only that, but DF has a relationship with both Ambray and LC that will be clarified when he gets lynched -- LC is vouching for DF heavily, and Ambray distanced somewhat sloppily (if so) from DF, and DF hasn't talked about Ambray really at all, but agreed with her earlier and voted Llama due to his vote on Ambray.

I think this makes the most sense today.

I am offended if you think I am that bad of a player to distance myself from DF in the way you describe.

I decided to read through Made's posts as I mentioned earlier he's not giving me good vibes all of a sudden. I really have wondered for a while if Snowy and Made and teammates and by vouching for each other so strongly in the thread are hoping not to get lynched. I have seen the tactic used before and work very well.

Read his posts here - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&start=40

Seeing Made's posts in all place has pinged me for sure. Reading them along in the thread, they fit in well. Especially at the beginning, asking questions about roles, game mechanics, other players and getting involved - while I'm sure civvies do it, there is a point where I feel it does become something that is seen more by baddies trying to come across well. I feel Made is stepping pretty close to this line for D1.

When FZ's name was first mentioned in the thread by MP I feel Made posted her name a few times but feel it was non committal - fanning the flames?
He then decides to drop this suspicion quite quickly following a post by Splints.

Made wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Rox, I think FZ is a civvie. She is always fairly outspoken. But she was throwing out a lot of names yesterday and to me it read like she was really just trying to consider everyone. (as opposed to when baddies do it to just see what will take)

Ight, dropping suspicion on FZ for now.

Made wrote:

FZ. wrote:Also interesting is the fact that after llama got his third vote from Black Rock, ninju received all her votes. While I can see 1-2 being genuine, the fact that all votes went to the same person makes me think someone is trying to protect llama.
I'm going with llama

Not sure how i feel about this post. Having been in the above position before, often, I get losing confidence in an argument based on the people who voted for it, but it just feels off to me

Any other names i should be looking at closer. Ik FZ said Splints yesterday,

Then very soon after takes FZ's suggestion to look into Splints.

I don't know, I find that interaction odd.

Quite a few inconsistencies in Made's posts. During the FZ lynch he wrote this "Just a thought, imo FZ seems far more invested in the game than Bass, could we kill him instead? More seems to ride on bass anyways. (his "slip" vs her lack of logic)"

After the lynch he writes "I'm not seeing a solid case against Bass due to how much that weighed on FZ being mafia."

By his first admission in the first quote, he didn't think that the suspicion against Bass was connected to FZ, it was because of his slip.

Another one - after FZ flipped civ and I was the first voter in 2 civv lynches - " Why do we care so much that Ambray was the first to vote FZ? Is there more background or context that i'm just overlooking? It isn't arguable that Mp was the driving force behind FZ's lynch. Are people who are throwing Ambray's name around contesting that?"


And now after my name has been tossed about - "What I find more interesting about Ambray is her influence, she was the first vote on 2 civvie lynches, but isn't talking as much as the more active members of this game. Nothing against the amount she's been posting, but to be on the wrong side of lynches in the fashion she's been is interesting"

Changed your tune.

There are several of these inconsistencies in your posts, have a read through you'll notice them.

I also notice that you are piggybacking, Made. I haven't seen any original thought brought to the thread. You're posting a great deal, but on actual read through, there isn't a whole great amount of substance, I feel. Nothing new. As I said earlier, feels you are throwing stuff out and seeing what sticks.

You've also just posted this..

Made wrote: My argument against DF...that's all i can think of off the top of my head.

I can't see any argument against DF in your posts.
Looks like you are posting this to sound like you are doing more than you actually are.

The more I think about it, the more I think you and Snowy have created some fantastic WIFOM. You haven't really come to Snowy's aid anywhere near as much as he has. But still...now this idea is in my head, I unfortunately will be doubting you two for the rest of the game.

As reading DF has come up with nothing, I am voting for you Made. I need to get going, timezones and all that.

I am not advocating a Made lynch, I made that clear - but with the time I have, this is my strongest suspicion. I'm hoping you will go on to discuss more as you have plenty of time before the lynch ends.

While you do that, I'll enjoy Middle Earth.
One. Last Time.

Well, DF - I have read back through your posts and I am stumped on what it is that pinged me. I wish I had quoted and posted it as I went. Haha, lesson learnt.

If anything, reading through your posts has made me feel a lot better about you.

Made - in reply to my votes being the first in 2 civvie lynches - I can only put that down to timezones. The poll tends to finish between 3-4am for me and I 'try' to be asleep before midnight. Speaking of, cannot see an end time on this one...hosts??

I am going to read through DF's posts tonight and go from there. I also have to vote tonight because I won't be around tomorrow - will be at the cinema watching the hobbit 9 hours straight..not that I haven't mentioned it before..i'm just a teeny bit excited. SQUEEEEE.

Made, I feel like you are throwing out suspicion left, right and center suddenly - I've felt you are civvie most of the game, but recently you are starting to not give me warm and fuzzies.

Somebody has deleted their post.. I think I remember who, but not saying names unless there is a way for sure to say who it was? Admin people??

MP's was the 2nd post on this page when I read it an hour ago.

As I explained - I don't want Made lynched and the only other people with votes are you and her.

Oh, I also thought it worth commenting this is not Boogs' first drive by vote. I have noticed in previous lynches him doing the same.
I cut him a bit of slack for it because of his post the other day saying he was going to ask for replacement - hosts, has he done this?
If he hasn't, I am not cutting him any slack for it because he's obviously been in the thread. I find it interesting he voted Made though. The fact DF has voted there too makes me think perhaps there's a save going on.

Urgh, sorry. I fell asleep as soon as I got home from work and have just woken up - will be going straight back to sleep. Haha.

I have not got around to reading DF's posts and I don't want to add another fish to the barrel when there is already a lot of names being tossed about at the moment.

I don't think Made is bad, nor MP, unfortunately that means I am voting Roxy - it's not my first choice by any means but that is where the only other votes are. Wouldn't be the case if she hadn't moved her vote, but that is how the cookie has crumbled at this exact moment in time.

Roxy wrote:So I guess Ambray is going to ignore the posts about her and those suspicious of her

If you can quote where someone has actually said something I can reply to, I'd be happy to do so. All I can see is my name being thrown around and nothing to go with it.

DFaraday wrote:

Ambray wrote: I am however more and more looking at DF. Just reading his recent posts and going by gut, I am sensing baddie. I need to look back and see where that post is that pinged me initially and I mentioned but didn't quote. I don't know if I'll have time to do that tonight, but I'll definitely go and look back before the day period is over.

When you have your suspicions at hand I will be at hand to answer. Well, actually, I'll be at church and then watching Fellowship of the Ring, but THEN I'll be at hand to answer.

Getting ready for the finale? Only 4 days to go! I get a bit choked up thinking about it. Pathetic, I know. I don't want to even think about what I'm going to be like in the cinema.

Sorry, I think I missed the last lynch AND the night poll. There are excuses, but I won't make them.

I am torn, because I am not getting the same vibes from Made that everybody else seems to be getting - can somebody please, in a nutshell, show what it is exactly that Made has done to make him suspicious? I feel like I have read little things here and there and am missing the bigger picture with him.

I am pinged by Snow's defense of him however, I feel like it is starting to go overboard tbh. To the point where I could possibly see him doing it because of being baddie teammates. If that would be his style or not, I don't know. However, once again I am not picking up on all the things others seem to be feeling from Snow in terms of bad vibes. So I don't know what to make of it at the moment.

I am however more and more looking at DF. Just reading his recent posts and going by gut, I am sensing baddie. I need to look back and see where that post is that pinged me initially and I mentioned but didn't quote. I don't know if I'll have time to do that tonight, but I'll definitely go and look back before the day period is over.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I want to hear from Hedgie. I want to hear from all the quiet ones hiding in the background, because so far this game is being lost because the vocal people are playing.
Someone said it before, I think Snowy? That I think the mafia are sitting back and just rolling with the punches because things seem to be going their way at the moment.

The fact that I caught up on Bass's slip before MP posted about it would indicate that perhaps I wasn't coasting along with him and fanning his flames as you suggest Roxy.
I saw his post saying MP was the target for the NK and I questioned when this was brought to light - it was after this that MP made his post that actually laid that all down for other players to read in a thought out process - I am positive if he had not done so, I would've.
I however had not made the lead of Bass and FZ being baddie teammates until I read MP's case.


I find it very...flippant?...that you keep using quotation marks and dismissive language when you speak about MP's cases because I thought they were well though out, concise and believable with evidence from the thread that backed it up.
Perhaps it's because I was there at the time, reading along and posting that I got caught up in it all and found it easier to believe, but I couldn't fault his logic one bit.

FZ was ridiculously dismissive, I have never seen someone so dismissive about a case brought up against them. The fact that she didn't want to spend a single post defending herself and wanted to focus attention elsewhere made me believe she was a baddie.
Here's the though process on that - I'm a civvie, great! I know that. You don't. It's my job to make you believe that, that is after all the game. She didn't want to spend any time trying to show me that when, I felt, there were genuine things being brought up against her.

And 3 civvies have been lynched in a row? So what? No, it's not great, but is that anything new?? Sorry that I am not infallible and have made mistakes with my voting.

Please show me where the baddies are and I'll vote there next if you'll think you'll get a hole in one Roxy?

Suffice to say, I'm a bit frustrated at the tone of this game.

Voted DJ

DFaraday wrote:Ambray, what exactly was it about me that pinged you? I'd be happy to respond to any charges against me.

I'm going to have to go back and reread because I can't remember off the top of my head.

I read a few things earlier by DF that cricked my brow, but...and I hate to say it....it would rely on Bass coming back bad.

I'm going to put my vote there, because I do think that MP was genuinely onto something and I didn't think the case on Bass was connected to FZ honestly, the case on Bass was that it looked like he slipped up by knowing who was targeted for the NK.

MovingPictures07 wrote: have slipped and I don't get other interpretations to what he said, plain as day. But I'm willing to consider the fact that there was a miscommunication because it is possible.

Considering now what has occurred, I do wonder why Ambray subtly pushed me and agreed with me re: FZ. and my case. Is it because she thought my observations were astute and she is civvie or was she trying to steer the lynch away from a teammate or just trying to manipulate the thread? I honestly don't know.

I would hardly call it subtle pushing. I may not have posted the exact case you did, but I would say I was just as deep in that as you were.

I still think you were on to something with Bass.

Voting Dom because he's quiet and I miss him.

MP - I know, I was just poking fun. I was an idiot.
I still don't have any idea how I confused the PM page for the posting page.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, just answer me this:

Do you think Ambray is not intelligent then because she outed her entire team on mistake?

All humans make mistakes.

I do not think any of the three of you are unintelligent. I think you DUN GOOFED.

Dude.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ambray wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This is seriously the most obvious baddie connection since Ambray went in the thread and outed our entire team in Spongebob.

We don't talk about that.

Lol.

Seriously though, do you not agree?

Not a single one of my points has been logically refuted. Instead, Rox, FZ., and Bass all try to use emotion and manipulation to make it appear like I'm not being reasonable.

NOW, seriously, I will be back at lynch closing time. I believe I've already made an incredibly convincing argument as to why the three of the aforementioned are bad, but especially FZ. and Bass.

Oh I do agree that you have laid down a very compelling case and I will be surprised if neither of them come back bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:This is seriously the most obvious baddie connection since Ambray went in the thread and outed our entire team in Spongebob.

We don't talk about that.

Roxy wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Roxy wrote:I think I going to "relax"(:p wish you were here splints) for a few and let these latest posts sink in.


Linky wall 'o text tldr going to "relax"

you have no idea how much I wish I was there too and how disappointed I am I didn't make it there this trip. Too much to do and too little time. I shouldn't have worked.

There is always next time! Besides work got in the way for both of us if I rememeber correctly


So glad you think me such a poor player that I would openly defend a teammate.

Christ MP you are reading way too much into stuff and over looking the obv staring at you laughing.

What's the obvious staring at him laughing?

MP I think you may be onto something there. The reason I asked my question about the night kill is because had asked you how you survived and I thought I had missed something somewhere that said it was you.

I am more inclined to vote Fz. The fact that she is just dismissing everything and being a bit rude about it too, tbh - doesn't ring civvie to me.

Infact, I'm going to place my vote there now.

About to ask a blonde question - but just want to clarify once and for all because it's messing with my head now.

The mafia only targeted one person last night but it could've been either MP or DF? Or both?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, if you had to vote right now, who would it be for and why?

Ambray, how strongly do you feel about that?

About FZ?

To begin with, not overly, just a ping. But I decided to read back on her posts and now a bit more strongly.

Firstly, there have been several posts were she has referred to someone as civ - now once again I say I don't know if times have moved on with how you word things/play now, but I have always seen this as a way to try and get people on your side and gain some back up from people.
You, MP and Roxy she has read as civ so far.
I find for D2 that's very quick to form such opinions. Roxy's especially she had formed by N1.

I also feel she is following the thread with what is happening and whoever are the current big suspicions - she is following them.

And call me being picky but..

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched.

It's more of that I don't really know which one. llama gave me a bad feeling from the first day, but people keep saying he's an easy lynch because he's like that, so I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong, and with BR, it's that one post, which really pinged me, but it's one thing. So neither is like a sure thing. I'd rather you not die, and since I'm not feeling too good about either of them, I want to make sure it's one of them and not you.

..as far as I can see it's only MP saying llama would be an easy lynch.
In my experience baddies tend to over exaggerate to make the situation sound a bit better.

linki - woah - don't find me suspicious so you don't care why I find that you are? WTH!?

TOO MUCH LINKI LET ME POST PLS TNKS

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched.

It's more of that I don't really know which one. llama gave me a bad feeling from the first day, but people keep saying he's an easy lynch because he's like that, so I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong, and with BR, it's that one post, which really pinged me, but it's one thing. So neither is like a sure thing. I'd rather you not die, and since I'm not feeling too good about either of them, I want to make sure it's one of them and not you.

Suddenly you're not giving me warm and fuzzies anymore.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched.

I agree with this.

thellama73 wrote:

Ambray wrote:[quote="birdwithteeth11"

So basically, we have 7 people who fall under the category of either joke or bandwagon votes: Made, Boogs, MP, DFaraday, llama, Snow Dog, and possibly, but much less likely, Ambray.

Not sure how my vote can be classed as a bandwagon when I was the first one to bring him up and vote for him.

Who is blooper that people keep talking about?

MP - in regards to llama, I don't really remember why there were votes on him from D1, so I will have to go back an re read what happened.

Alright I'm dropping my vote in am day for now. She doesn't I a me that well and this post rang insincere to me. I think she saw defending me albeit non commitally as a way to gain civvie free. Going with my gut![/quote]

Lol, that is classed as defending someone nowadays? Yikes!!

Lots of strong opinions - speaking in very black and white terms already - "Person A is civvie" "Person B is baddie" That's cricking my brow a bit. Nothing that makes me want to vote for anybody yet, but something to keep an eye on.

If anything I read Snowy pulling a "no u" on MP, not the other way round? Perhaps I need to re read that. However I'm not picking up any bad vibes from Snowy yet.

Oosh, I don't know who I'm voting for just yet, but it'll have to be soon.
I want to hear from Hedgeowl. Memorable to me from D1 but I haven't seen anything from them since.

[quote="birdwithteeth11"

So basically, we have 7 people who fall under the category of either joke or bandwagon votes: Made, Boogs, MP, DFaraday, llama, Snow Dog, and possibly, but much less likely, Ambray.
[/quote]

Not sure how my vote can be classed as a bandwagon when I was the first one to bring him up and vote for him.

Who is blooper that people keep talking about?

MP - in regards to llama, I don't really remember why there were votes on him from D1, so I will have to go back an re read what happened.

Sorry for not voting in the night poll, I did intend to - but I went to a work do last night and got unintentionally very drunk...infront of all my bosses. Please please let me still have a job come Monday!!!

I'm quite interested by all the 'joke votes' on D1 that ended up not being a joke at all because they were never changed. I think overall that led to spread out votes and an easy to manipulate poll. I'm going to have to go look at it again to remember what the end result was.

Oosh ignore me, found it.

Wow, this changing vote around business is going to confuse me big time - haha. Is this a new game mechanic for all games?