The Syndicate

Thanks, MM89! Still no baby, but it's got to happen soon.

Sigh. I am busy, and I'm not around much, but I am civ. I can't read too much into Llama's early vote; his behavior rarely varies with role. But Johns didn't give any reason for his vote for me that I can see. Since I can't afford to miss this vote apparently, I'm going to go ahead and vote for john...

I'm going to stay where I am, to cut down on extra reading. I know that's not the best way to win, but it's really all I can manage at the moment. I went somewhere a few nights ago, but I never got around to reading through the thread, so you won't get much off of me :-\ Did the plot of the movie mo...

I'll fight you hedge! Sorry I've been so absent, not that most people can have known that. :-P

Votes self.

I'm going back to delaware too, just to cut down on how much backpost I have to read over >.<

Damn. I remembered I needed to check in today, but forgot that the poll ends in the middle of the afternoon.. I've been sick for the last few days, but not the kind where you lie in bed playing mafia on the ipad. Sorry :-\ I still don't have a clue what significance being picked to fight has, but I'...

I don't like to make plans with so little information - if I change my mind later about what the right course of action is, I'll have no way to explain to you why I did so. I certainly don't want to be committed in my future actions when I know so little. I will plan to come back next chance I get t...

I've got no better ides, voting for bwt also.

Ebwop: linki svs, concerned that non - civs might have advantage in fight though.

I can see this is going to be painful.

I think logically it must be at least risky to go fight right now. The four threads logic makes sense, but I can't say I see how this game is going to work at all. I mean, it doesn't seem likely that those four would just compare numbers, and it seems probable that fighting is dangerous.. Anyway, I'...

Llama hath persuaded me, but I will be extremely unavailable - new baby coming in the next few weeks. At least there's no wall of text of powers to try to understand ☺

So yeah, I'm in.

She was running the show most of the game, I was pretty lazy this time :-)

Just about missed it! Lizzy sounded honest to me, so I voted Bea.

Really? Well then, this can only mean two things: you're either on the same boat with Bea, Franz or... she's got you right where she wanted. :mafia: If Matt was right, it looks like you're not even trying anymore. But looking at Vomps, I'm inclined to take a little gamble here. Whatever the case is...

Clearly that makes you Lydecker bea, there's no other way you could be alive again.
So VL must be franz and cody?
I'm a bit lost here, but I don't see good odds for us :-\

A Person wrote: i hope you're bad cuz the civs just lost

It's possible, but it doesn't seem very likely to me.
The only thing that fits with that voting outcome is AP and Timmer as a team -
if they get a kill and a 'random' kill tonight then we could still lose, but otherwise I think we're home free :-D

If Lizzy and Vomps were the team, she wouldn't have just voted Timmer - they would have both voted for me.
Timmer's the only one left that makes sense.

I'll go ahead and vote Timmer. His defense and the fact that he 'holds to his vote to save himself' when he has no votes, does sound like a cornered baddie to me. I would be doing the same thing, were I him, baddie or not. Nobody wants to lose :-\ I don't like this. The evidence is definitely in fa...

I was planning on voting timmer again, because he's the only one with evidence against him, but I'm interested. Why did you think Timmer was an indy and SVS a baddie? Was there some interaction there that provoked your interest? Or is this one of the 'feels'? I'm not used to you agreeing with me, an...

I was leaning toward timmer before, but SVS flipping Indy gives me pause. Since they killed one civ, I think it makes sense to think that they need civs dead, And SVS really seemed to want timmer dead. Does anyone have a clue what their win con could be? If they need both teams to die, they'd just b...

Oops, missed the Linki - yeah, I spent a lot of time this game agonizing over what information I could legitimately reveal, and how. Logic is easy to manipulate, but I feel the same way about instincts and feels - you don't even really have to manipulate them, you can just make them up, and nobody c...

Nev you played an amazing game as Zodac. One thing I've been curious about, how were you so sure I was civvie? Did it have to do with the numbers of civs, mafia, and indys before I died versus after? Good game everyone!!! And congratulations to all of the winners. :fiesta: Yup, that's it exactly. M...

An Indy, huh? I'm still not clear on their win conditions, so I can't even say if I'm happy about that outcome :-\ SVS killed someone I was pretty sure was a civ, but then she claimed she felt the opposite about him.. I don't know. I guess a reread is in order, since she had btsc - I'll take a look ...

I don't understand what happened to all the other people who were alive. I thought maybe they blew up but I don't see any post saying that. Someone, what happened? They all won - the endgame is down to boomslang (who is Cohen) and bea (who is a civ that voted for Cohen). Since nobody else remaining...

After a few days of observation, Nev's posting style in this game screams baddie to me, so I vote for him. I hope I'm right, but I think they've nearly won at this point anyway. If I don't reply to this, you'll say I'm "ignoring your post", but I really don't have anything to say to that....

Those are both mafia roles, but one of them kills 'randomly' - that's why I said we got lucky with that kill. And I used to try to use my instincts and gut feelings about things, but I was so *consistently* wrong that I decided to just quit trying that. Now 'gut' for me is basically a code word for ...

Wow :-\

I've been expecting a hedgeowl kill for a day or so, but I guess we got lucky on the Cody kill.
I'll miss you hedge :-(

Also, I feel like the way I played my role kind of broke the game, and I didn't intend that to happen. I apologize for that. When moriarty mentioned me early, I hinted a little because I thought I was going to get creamed in the lynch vote, but them MP gave us a code to break that clarified my win c...

Also, I am happy that the boxes didn't explode and kill us all! :-)

I voted bea to win, because I'm pretty sure that was the plan we all would have followed.

I am impressed by how close boom got though! Not at all an easy role to manage.

Damn, I trusted him :-( Rip, sir. Pretty sure you were good. I don't know, I kind of thought the opposite. He pinned the final vote on Dom, which is the type of evidence I trust most. I thought he might be Indy, but they used their one kill on him, so that seems unlikely now. You and I have radical...

Damn, I trusted him :-(
Rip, sir. Pretty sure you were good.

Woo! That helps our odds a lot - the numbers were starting to look a bit grim there. Further cements my trust of hedge too, not that I had any real doubts. I'm in the ER for kidney stones, and my pain meds are AMAZING. Sure makes me glad I voted early, I was in no shape for thinking when the poll cl...

I'm not sure I'll get back to this tonight, so I'm going to go ahead and vote for Roxy.
I still don't understand the case on SVS - is this anything other than VAL randomness?

Hedge, do you have any other thoughts about Roxy? I think I'm going to vote that way, based on her D2 vote to save Dom. It seems like a risky move for her to make, but it's a lot less risky in a speed game than it would be in a full one. If it worked, she'd save a teammate, get a civ lynched, and it...

This is great thanks! What are your thoughts on SVS and Roxy based on votes? Besides Timmer they arè ones Id look at too. I would also rather wait to vote Timmer tomorrow, but it would be worthwhile to reread him as well. Despite SVS's thoûght that its convenient for Timmer to be silenced it was du...

I'll do a full reread later today, but for now I've got voting analysis at least. (Forgive me if I retread old stuff, it's new to me) First, Dom's death: he wasn't in the lead on that vote, so either we have vote manipulations in play (I would guess that the coffee might be a vote bonus?), or hammet...

Bah, forgot it was speed mafia. The other game's pace has me used to long days.
Sorry hosts, I'll be better :-(

I hate when I stop mid-post and come back later;
I always end up sounding stupid because I reuse words and phrases unconciously, I guess.

I guess that could make sense. The description of that role made me think "Crazed violent death rampage" descriptions would be evident, rather than 'mysteriously died' type descriptions. I still think that Bigelowe is more likely though. So we think that only non-outing statements can be c...

Ah well, after the deaths last night I guess that was expected. I'm not sure what to make of the first response. I can't tell if he's cautioning us to be careful with construction, or that he's not going to let me turn the game into a complex logic problem :-\ I guess it would only matter if we knew...

Why do you think Boo was NK'd? Do you think it was Wilder? I mean Kindler has *secrets*, so it could be, but I don't see how they would get two kills last night. In fact, I don't see how they would have gotten *one*, unless the kill passes. Doesn't it usually say that when that's the case? I mean, I...

I guess I should direct that last one to our hosts:

@hosts: are there limits to (a) the nature or (b) the complexity of statements Keyes can test?

I'm still a bit lost - does boo's death suggest that he was Bigelowe? And could anyone summarize what was up with timmer? I don't really understand the suspicion there, and I won't have time to reread the whole thread with full attention in the near future :-\ There seem to be a lot of informational...

You've never once thought I was a civ. Actually, I don't recall a single person ever remarking that they thought I sounded 'genuine' in any way, and I've been lynched for it in the early days of nearly half my games. Whatever.

I'm a civ. Hopefully that will help.

Anyway, hi! I see we've already got this game in the bag, so thanks for doing all the work without me :-)
Though I guess now we have a long slog to find everyone else, with no intentional kills left to give us clues.

Bah. I should have read the roles list a little harder, sorry.

Why is everyone talking as if the baddies are on a btsc team?
I see that Wilder is specifically listed as being on a team with Hammet, I'd think that kind of indicates the reverse.
Forgive me if this came up before, I only skimmed the thread.

You're just the only living person who has voted for him. So if you died for some random reason tonight, he could again win with the civs. Not advocating for that, just mentioned it as an aside.

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