The Syndicate

Oh yeah, Lost was all over the place, but I hadn't totally noticed until Dharma Initiative was mentioned, then saw it everywhere. All the good poll answers too. Wanted to vote on eggs "However Jacob likes them"

Lizzy wrote:So, big group hug and off to the next? :P
Also official thanks to Rob and the Missus, and everyone who took part in it.

Yes indeedy! Thanks to the Es for an exciting first game. Sorry Simon had to be so smart and get Nk'd for it.

Happy Weekend to all

thellama73 wrote:If only you people had paid more attention to the Llama Gambit, Lizzy could have been decommissioned ages ago.

Good game, all!

For sers. That actually could have worked, but we would have got Lizzy and Bullz. Not sure how long it would have taken to figure out Nev and Krissy. Also I should have known this one was yours.

Nevinera wrote:Now I get to die early in 2-3 games again before anyone will believe I'm not mafia >.<

Prolly. Cause if you are too quiet we will notice now.

Lizzy wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Thank goodness you ended it now Epi! I was having a hard time waiting that long to find out. Well it's official, I have no intuition whatsoever. Since snow dog voted for me, I asked him who he targeted, which was Nev. I misinterpreted his answer as Snow Dog and Nev being civ. Clearly it was just Snow Dog and not Nev too, but after the Night, Snow started to think Nev was good, so I thought he knew for sure. I had not figured out Snows role at this point yet though.

I did not use my secret to full advantage either. First day, no one wanted to vote for noobs, so fail. Then once it picked up everyone lynched llama quick, so seemed more and more tricky to play bad and good. So just went for good.

I beg to differ. You figured out my game with that last post, which I though was absolutely amazing. Unfortunately the PM had been sent prior to it.

I think you might be giving me too much credit. I was swinging all over the place between you and Viper. Your posting style is extremely effusive and expressive. Works very well in this game. i just didnt want you to be a dirty diesel.

Epignosis wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

McViper wrote:I was Henry and took out Bullzeye.... my only good move.

Quite a brilliant move actually. So then Andrew took out Nev?

Yes.

How did Andrew know about Nev? That was such a stroke of luck for us.

Bullzeye wrote:Awesome Well done team, especially Lizzy who was basically on her own and new to the game! I really didn't expect us to win this especially after Nev and I died to essentially good guesses, but I got more hopeful towards the end. Snow, last night I was sat in our baddie btsc just waiting for you to cast the deciding lynch vote and hoping you'd end the game for us. Then I figured killing Viper was the best way for us to win because he was either the last steamie we needed to kill, or one of two, and Rey was unlikely to show up to vote in the final lynch.

Snow Dog wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:It's a shame I wsn't informed of this lynch failure.

I was convinced you knew we had you figured out since we kept blocking you every other night.

I'm used to being not trusted, thought it was civ one night and you lot the other. But maybe you are right. I was a total failure at this game.

You did well, and if we hadn't known you were unkillable we'd definitely have wasted at least one try on you because you were a threat to us. Nev and I had worked to make it so that if one of us was lynched the other would have an airtight alibi so we expected everyone to trust at least one of us regardless.

After Nev died, I was convinced you had pulled the same thing for another player too, but based on what I knew of Snow Dog I couldnt figure out how he and Nev could be bad, so I thought it had to be McViper.

Epignosis wrote:Also Snow Dog, there's something about your role that you didn't know.

The Night polls determined who would receive a Really Useful Engine Badge. If you got three of them, you could choose to be protected the next Night or have your name off the poll the Day following the next Night.

The "correct" choice in each Night poll was whichever one Sir Topham Hatt chose.

Ha! Thats why it worked so well when we all voted to same thing. I tried voting in the second place answer since that worked twice, but then it seemed like everyone knew something I didn't on one poll so I just followed the herd after that.

Thank goodness you ended it now Epi! I was having a hard time waiting that long to find out. Well it's official, I have no intuition whatsoever. Since snow dog voted for me, I asked him who he targeted, which was Nev. I misinterpreted his answer as Snow Dog and Nev being civ. Clearly it was just Snow Dog and not Nev too, but after the Night, Snow started to think Nev was good, so I thought he knew for sure. I had not figured out Snows role at this point yet though.

I did not use my secret to full advantage either. First day, no one wanted to vote for noobs, so fail. Then once it picked up everyone lynched llama quick, so seemed more and more tricky to play bad and good. So just went for good.

reywaS definitely throws us off, because there's so little to go on, but I think he would still be voting in Night polls if he has to PM his Nk. Therefore I am doubtful of him. No vote tonight for example.

Basically, based on Lizzy's claimed knowledge of A Person, I think McViper is the diesel. Who knows who will be voted off the Island of Sodor next.

Lizzy wrote:Hey hey, how are you lot? I'm finally done with pretty much everything thesis related, so now I'm back in the game! W00t! Also, if anyone is interested in power-sharing failure in Cyprus at the beginning of the 60s, you know where to find me. :P

Now back to business.

What is this, I don't even... I can't believe you guys almost lynched me instead of a Diesel. (which I have successfully pointed out at one point, although I suppose it was more of a lucky guess ).

Anyway, for those who have not voted for or dare I say, even possibly protected the baddie, I'm watching you. (uhm, that'd be just watching, so... let me live? pretty please )

As for the poll, I have no idea why everyone is going for Jack, but I quite fancy bulldozers me.

(I'm starting to enjoy these smileys quite a bit)

Lizzy, I think this is my favorite post of yours this game, but the rant above is good too! Very expressive and good smiley usage. Right now I am somewhere between these:

if iI cant see the diesel he cant see me right?

Hiding will work!

I know nothing do not kill me!

Sunny side up to cheer us up!

Seriously? A Person was a NG? Were there no other NGs to warn us!?!

Fail!

Well the next Day there will 4 left gang, and it is not looking good. We will have to make wise alliances for sure.

Until then...

McViper wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I admit I could be wrong. If Ap flips civ then Lizzy must be the final diesel. As sure as eggs is eggs. Would explain her vote for reywas too.

Against my better judgement I voted AP because of you Snow. if she's a civ. you're next.

Alright I am also jumping on the "A Person" train. Fingers crossed

Voted A Person

McViper wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Lizzy are you insanified?

This value is not visible, of course not, of course? But remember like you need to know about the snow.

Ok. I do not believe you are pretending. But A person was.

Snowdog, How do you know AP was pretending? Her excuse sure seemed fake. But give me your reasons again please.

I am more and more suspicous of McViper. My vote is leaning there depending on how things turn out.

Lizzy wrote:

McViper wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Lizzy are you insanified?

This value is not visible, of course not, of course? But remember like you need to know about the snow.

Ok. I do not believe you are pretending. But A person was.

Snowdog, How do you know AP was pretending? Her excuse sure seemed fake. But give me your reasons again please.

Trying to find the snake care

Why dont you vote who you suspect or try to list their name? Sometimes it comes out right.

A Person, if it's not you then who do you suspect or plan to vote for today?

If you're not a diesel then, you're a civ and you could know something at this point.

For example, I think I know something about Snow Dog, which makes me think he is a civ. At this point in the game I am becoming more and more certain that he is.

So what do other people "know" or suspect?

6 players left. 1 diesel, 5 civs. 3 players (Snow Dog, A Person, Hedgeowl) have been insanified at some point in the game. 3 players (Lizzy, McViper, reywaS) have never been insanified.

While a diesel could fake being insanified, we know they can't officially self target. If this reasoning works, then we are looking for our diesel amongst Lizzy, McViper, and reywaS. It'd be great to see posts today from everyone, especially if someone would like to post a rambling nonsensical diatribe to help clear their name.

Hosts - Are powers provided like biff and bash required to be used every day or can they be skipped?

Mongoose wrote:

Nevinera wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Bullzeye has been decommissioned. He was Diesel 10.

It is now Night 4. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.

Wow! That is unexpected, but a big win.

I had already observed the bull-snow antagonism, so I feel like snow dog has to be pretty trustworthy now.
I mean, yeah they could have been faking that, but I really don't think bull would have put *so* much effort into that
argument if he were faking it. Given that, and snow's response, I feel pretty good about snow in general.

Since my main reason for suspecting viper was the double-vote with snow (sorry McV, I definitely wouldn't vote for you now),
I guess it's a good thing somebody rewrote the ballots! Good call, whoever you are, though I think I know ;-)

Yeah, through process of elimination, I'm putting McV, Snow and you in my safe list. I'm still wondering about Krissy though.

RIP Mongoose. Trying to learn from your words.

Considering that Nev turned out a diesel these words come back as suspect. Both Snow and McViper can't be diesel, but it feels like Nev is going out of his way to protect someone. Which one?? I am seriously leaning McViper right now, but considering my game "intuition" has suspected more civs than not, it's hard to know.

I find my suspicions are all over the map, but rereading Bullz and Nev showx me how well they ensure suspicion would not fall on all of them if one were killed. I reread Lizzy and McViper and I gotta say both look like possible baddies. Worth rereading there for everyone. McViper targeted Bullz and Lizzy targeted Krissy, but with not much explanation. It could be another way to throw us off again.

McViper wrote:Cures!!!! I missed the vote too! so sorry everyone.


Well Now I think the baddie is either snowdog or mongoose.

Cures! We do need a cure for all our bad judgement picking baddies. Only one more to go gang.

I definitely dont think its Lizzy, based on her pursuit of Krissy and Snow Dog I am surprised she's on your list. Any reason?

It feels like we are all flailing to pick someone, when I am sure together we have better info than that. I'll try to do some more reading, but its hard to get any hints with a lack of posts.

Also, I am voting sulfur rocks, cause nobody wants to smell that, but they would be in plain sight.

Sorry DH, I would have voted for you too if I made the poll before two minutes late. Sigh, we are not really doing that great picking them hey civs?

After this NK there will only be 6 players left and 1 baddie with the power to insanify one person. Anyone insanified now is definitely not a diesel since there's only one left btw. They cant self target. I am not going to wait on coming up with ideas for the next vote in case I am NK'd.

The three people I currently think have a chance of being diesel are A Person, reywaS, and Snow Dog. I wouldn't have thought Snow Dog before, but reread Nevinera. Nev and Bullz (diesels) have quite the antagonism going there, throwing accusations around and Snow Dog is a part of it too. Nev even voted for bullz in a tie vote with Krissy where the diesels obviously knew that there was no chance they would be killed. They created an excellent distraction going back and forth, so if one did get lynched we wouldn't suspect the other.

Snow, I'd be interested to hear why you thought Nev was bad and then changed your mind? Anything in particular?

If anyone else has reasons to suspect someone I'd love to hear it.

Until then...

Snow Dog wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:So my main suspects are Dharmahelper, and Lizzy.

This is my discussion?

Oh good. I'm thinking Dharma helper foremost. What do you think?

I am not sure that Yes, I voted for the dog.

Snow Dog wrote:So my main suspects are Dharmahelper, and Lizzy.

This is my discussion?

Snow Dog wrote:So my main suspects are Dharmahelper, and Lizzy.

This is my discussion?

Nevinera wrote:

Simon wrote: Nevinera -Are you sure you're good?

Very, in-game.
In real life I'm only somewhat decent.

That's what Simon Sh m% d and death.

The normal questions. Search the contents of the list, and diesel fuel. Please

4. Andrew how to kill all the diesel engines, excellent image.

Duck! The conceensus seems to be we are ordering the Duck.

McViper wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Whoa, I leave for the afternoon and things get crazy! I had started to trust Nev, big mistake there. Now I am a little bit at a loss as who to look at next.

I guess we can start by looking at who voted for DH

You mean Lizzy, You, and Me? those who advocated and supported voting for Krissy as a baddie?

Also, its Friday so we need a party

Whoa, I leave for the afternoon and things get crazy! I had started to trust Nev, big mistake there. Now I am a little bit at a loss as who to look at next.

With DH next on my list voting for A Person seems an unexpected move. I am voting DH with Lizzy just in case theres a block this vote. Also wont be here late to see how others vote.

voted DH

Nevinera wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:The feeling of vengeance Tova SE Reyw

Haha, is someone looking for revenge against reywaS for being insanified?

Oooooooooh. I totally thought that was some kind of topical music reference. >.<
I'm not at my swiftest today.

linki: is AP also insanified? or is he just odd?

This is what I was wondering as well, cause isn't there a whole no double targeting rule?

I gotta say I am leaning towards AP. He was in the forum yesterday to the minute before the vote with me, but didn't actually vote. With Diesel 10 gone no one can claim that excuse now.

A Person wrote:What is the map?

Come again? Map?

Snow Dog wrote:The feeling of vengeance Tova SE Reyw

Haha, is someone looking for revenge against reywaS for being insanified?

Nevinera wrote:I couldn't find anything that suspicious in his thread posts, though there was rather a shortage of them.
I'd lean toward people who have voted more first, really -
I don't see a huge advantage to be gained from skipping most of the votes as a baddie.
I mean, I guess diesels can be forgetful too..
but I'd rather do some more analysis of voting and finger-pointing before we convict someone just for being too quiet.
Or you know, have hedge do it ;-)

Haha, well sitting quietly with the computer while the baby sleeps gives me some time. He's got radar for when I leave, I swear.

Also, I am a little weirded out. Why do all my color font boxes have the RIP smiley in them?

Is this a sign???

Jack the front loader looks like a useful replacement.

I feel this way about voting Krissy too Simon. Thanks!

Mongoose wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Or maybe A Person first as he dropped the pretense of being insanified.

Mmm indeed.

He did? Where?

Owl - After seeing your comment, I went back through AP's latest and greatest.

Well now that I reread his/her last few posts, I wonder if s/he lucked into them sounding cogent. I misinterpreted them into being coherent speech.

If you reread the other insanified people you may notice that as well. Some of it almost makes sense.

DharmaHelper wrote:Based on that and because Lizzy sort of sounds like Krissy, I will vote for Lizzy.

This is a silly reason. I am glad we got a baddie finally from group voting though!

Definitely think DH needs a second look and A Person.

Mongoose wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Or maybe A Person first as he dropped the pretense of being insanified.

Mmm indeed.

He did? Where?

voted krissySeveral missing votes today.

McViper wrote:OK, I wnet back and looked at who voted Llama out. they were:
Lizzy, Andrew, Bullzeye , birdwithteeth11, A Person.

We know Bullzeye was bad. Of the above group I think Lizzy, A Person and Birdwithteeth are at the top of my list for being lynched

Mafia beat you to it! Birdswithteeth was NK'd. However, I agree that Lizzy and A Person are worth considering. I think its either Lizzy or Krissy though, and I am leaning more towrds Krissy at this point.

As we've discussed A Person being insanified means nothing froma civ vs. baddie perspective, but also means A Person cant defend against our accusations if targeted. Not sure what to do here.

Snow Dog wrote:

A Person wrote:In order to do this.

In order to do what? Can you expand on this thought?

Was A Person insanified? None of todays posts really make sense.

Bullzeye wrote:Since there's an hour left to vote and it doesn't look like anybody else is coming, I'm going to have to vote to save myself I suppose. Fortunately, I do think DP could be bad, having had his team insanify him to cover up after people discussed him earlier. So that's who I'll vote for, but if I survive I'll also be keeping a close eye on Viper and Snow. Neither seems to have a decent reason for their vote for me and it's a little too coincidental that they both just happen to vote at the same time. If I do die today (though I'm hoping not) then I would urge the civvies to look more closely at SD and Viper.

Linki: Nev, your willingness to kill civvies just to find out if someone else is bad speaks volumes about your alignment.

This makes me think DP is also a civ, because why would Bullz so blatantly throw suspicion on his own teammate?

Bullzeye wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:So many questions. Since DH has clearly been biff'd, is DH now free from suspicion or can baddies target one of their own to throw us off?

Baddies do it a lot, I don't see why it'd be any different in this game.

It could very well be different. This is kind of an easier game.

But if they could only target civvies, that outs everyone they target as a civvie and towards the end it'd get really obvious who the baddies were. Would be easier for them to just not target anyone except for the NK if that were the case.

Bullz randomized his first vote he states and then voted DH. In these comments he casts suspicion that DH could still be a baddie, which makes me think now that DH probably is civ.

Yeah, going over Nev's actions he is off my list for a baddie right now. However, if we can't totally agree, I would support a Krissy or A Person lynch today.

Mongoose, you found the exchange with A Person illuminating in what way?

Simon wrote:Looking at everything, I think I can trust DP, Snow Dog, Mongoose, Andrew, and Hedgeowl. Are you good Hedgeowl?

DharmaHelper - Are you good?

Nevinera -Are you sure you're good?

McViper - Are you Henry?

Krissy is not Diesel 10, she must be Mavis. I still think Lizzy is bad.

I voted "Hey Jumbo-Tron" because its funny.

I wonder if Simon was Toby. This list may be too close to home to let him keep targeting people. I am not convinced Lizzy is bad, but if Krissy isn't bad then Lizzy might be. Since Lizzy was one of 3 people to vote for Krissy on the day 3 lynch when it was tied, and no one was decommissioned from some protection, I don't think they can both be bad.

Wow, didnt see that coming. RIP Simon. I would have supported a Krissy vote for sure, but that seems like such an obvious link to make now with Simon targeted.

I could still be talked into it with good evidence, but otherwise I am leaning towards A Person.