The Syndicate

Canucklehead wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Canuck, it was totally strategy, once we found the cops, then the PI. the only non stratgy recruit I can think of was Bullz, and I asked to recruit him because he specifically asked to be recruited.

I wanted to kill more cops (ANARCHY!!) And recruit more civs , but recruits were pretty much a sure thing, kills weren't and the cops had to go.

Totes. I get it and am not biter (honestly, I'm' not).
I'm not whining about not being recruited personally, it's more like I'm whining about the fact that there will always be those who are unrecruited, or recruited last, in recruitment games, and just wondering if there might be a complementary mechanic that hosts could employ to keep those Stalwart Civs-to-the-end from feeling like they're sitting at the party table with just a fork and a plate while everyone else is eating cake.



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Pardon me. Must go eat cake now.

S~V~S wrote:Too bad 12 is not an option

timmer wrote:Canucklehead. She replaced FH who was a complete no-show in the game for days. That makes the entire early phase of the game a bit of a wash. One thing I notice reading through Canuckle's posts is a strong tendency towards fluff posts. Lots of "IMMA FIGHT! ROAR!" type goofiness, a few questions on the game's mechanics early on, but there really isn't a ton of meat to anything she's posted. In fact, Canuckle has no major posts about finding Tyler of anything, until WABAM, this monster:

Canucklehead wrote:Well golly. That was a heavy reading load, and my semester hasn't even started yet.

Because I am supposed to be constructing a syllabus right now from which I will impart knowledge to the future leaders of America, and not playing mafia, I am going to be very brief here and just touch on my thoughts of some of the names that are being tossed around and the debates that are going on:

SVS/llama: this back and forth reads like it contains a lot of tension from a history of playing together. While I think (?) I agree more with SVS's POV on the issues discussed, that doesn't actually make me think llama is bad. I don't agree neccessarily with his thoughts on who Tyler is/was likely to recruit, I also don't really think holding those theories makes him likely to be bad. I don't know llama's style at all, but I would imagine that a baddie who was pushed so hard on a contentious issue would only put up a facade of a fight before acquiesing to the pressure and backing down in order to seem more "reasonable"/less lynch worthy. Llama's stubborness, and the increasing clarity with which he defins and defends his position actually make me think he's probably civ (though still possibly misguided in holding on to his recruitment theory)

Long Con/llama: I can't remember when LC voted for Dom, but I think it was fairly early?? (Please correct me if I'm wrong). I agree with many that it was a bit of a weak rationale for a vote, and seemed quite unlike LC...but I'm not sure I'm ready to vote for him yet. I don't usually find his posting or play style to be all that different from game to game regardless of his alignment, so his vociferous engagement with llama doesn't ping me as out of the ordinary. The Dom vote is weird, but I think there are other weirder things going on in the thread. As for llama, see above. I'm actually not suspicious of him, and think his exchange with LC is getting heated just because it seems to be two vocal, stubborn, and self-consciously incendiary players butting heads for the first time. If it comes down to a LC/llama tie-breaker, I'd throw my vote at LC, but I hope I don't have to.

Where I DO think I might want to throw a vote is at Vomps. I think Timmer's post was really interesting, and while I struggle to think why Tyler would recruit such a seemingly unpredictable and non-participatory player, the voting record is odd. Somewhat paradoxically, however, I ALSO find myself inclined to be a little suspicious of Timmer's sudden push for Vomps. Perhaps a case concocted to try and distract the thread from the other battles that are raging and get people's attention onto someone who, as a low poster and apparent wild card, might be an easy target and easy vote for those who are skimming through??

Long story short, I'm really really divided about Timmer/Vomps, and will probably come down on one side or another of that fence for today's vote.

That's one hell of a post for someone who hasn't said anything about anything but jokes and fights.

Plus, interesting note: since Day 8 Canuckle has had 9 posts in this game. She's had 23 in Misfits Mafia.

Considering that huge post above, I could see Canuckle being a recruit around night 7. She's a high fight level after winning a fight and suddenly there's that monster post but not much else.

I'd bet Canuckle is a recruit, but I give her no chance at being Tyler, I don't think Alex would have allowed such a role to be dormant for the first 3 days of the game.

timmer wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

bea wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Well I have been trying to read and post all day. Either a child got in my way, or work, or my damn internet wasn't working. So much to read today. I went back and read the last day as I had missed a lot. As far as I could see there wasn't much to get out last day. Not much went on or said. The votes weren't really that suspicious.

To be completely honest I'm having troubles remembering specifics from the last couple of pages. So I guess I will have to look at them again. *sigh*

I'm guessing the kids got in the way again during your re-read and that's why you didn't come back with some thoughts besides "I'm feeling so lost right now. OMG this is how the players of my games feel?" it's weird being on the other side of a mind eff game isn't it? You are too good of a player to let you keep sliding on this. I would and have been lynched MANY times for less. see: Day 1 of your last game.

@ MR - maybe it is - maybe it isn't? I don't know. I know that the very name LC is enough of a mind eff that I'm worried that it can't be *this* easy - ya know? Part of me is going - we HAVE to be being played here. Who was it that said - "I feel like I'm sitting in front of two cups of wine?" - yea. That's me re: LC. Also - THANK YOU for actually being up and around. I always feel like I'm talking to myself.

No I went to bed. I was exhausted and I couldn't read anymore. I still haven't gone back.

I'm off today and will be gone till Sunday. I am working the biggest job of my life this weekend. Will be here when I can. I know I am usually more active, but RL has gotten in my way this game.

I find the LC voters very interesting. At this point I hope he turns up baddie. He gets lynched for stupid reasons every game, sometimes he is bad, sometimes he is good. Yes, I do think they are stupid reasons again this game.

I have to vote now, I'm voting for one of the bandwagoners who really had no original thought on it. Not DP, if he's about to die anyways... I went with MR since I feel like llama and Timmer had good reasons, kyle sort of explained himself better. If LC turns up bad then I am wrong, but by my read of the thread it doesn't seem very likely.

Black Rock. Let's start with this post. Bea brings up a good point. Black Rock has spent the last few game days kind of coasting, not really saying much. She says she is busy, and before anyone gets the wrong impression here, I'm sure she is! And she mentioned being away for a few days, etc. But let's take a close look at this quoted post. She pleads not having time to catch up, she says she feels lost. But look at the part I bolded. She sure seems to have an opinion on Long Con, and the people pushing against him. And most interesting, she calls the reasons against Long Con stupid, but then the very next line won't vote for me or llama because we had "good reasons"?

Also of note was the time Long Con logged in as Black Rock and voted in a poll so she wouldn't die. Obviously there are some variables here, such as we don't know exactly when Long Con was recruited, but I think there is a decent chance that a baddie Long Con would have let a civvie Black Rock die in that situation. The fact that he did what he did adds to the chance BR was a recruit or Tyler at the time.

ALSO also of note, though this more abstract, if Black Rock were Tyler, I find it VERY likely that she would have sought out Long Con to recruit him, and if you read her posts from the early phase of the game, she specifically tracked him down in Wilmington. She went there to "find her husband".

I think there are decent odds BR is a recruit or Tyler.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Nobody is positing that our missing party, Kate, might be Tyler? Could be a role that dies once all of its recruits die, or even when the Narrator dies? She fits Timmer's theory as well as any other possibilities. Just one reason why I'm not solely focused on lynching Tyler today, as that may not even be possible. I don't remember when her status was changed to "vanished" though... :/

Timmer, I was a bit unclear on why you thought SVS was a safe pick for fighting, but I think it makes sense now. I was only curious of what made you so sure that you wouldn't kill her in said fight. Mia culpa.

Other issues that I haven't seen resolved or addressed:

-Unfurl's early killing of DP as a result of their fight

-Boomslang not being injured by Hedge

-Keterman not being injured by BR on Night 2; same with SE vs. FH; same with Timmer vs. Daisy Night 1

-Recruiting stopped as soon as the threads merged, right? If I think Timmer's theory about Tyler holds water (that he could only recruit in the town he's residing in), that would make it a bit more difficult for him to recruit the police quickly, as Llama hypothesized. Not impossible, mind you, especially if they moved in a herd. But trickier if they split up.

^That's a few things I've noticed and apologies if they've been addressed. Catching up on this game is a constant process what with how long I was absent.

Now I've got some further reading to do... >.>

thellama73 wrote:Thanks for the analysis Timmer. I'm not sure if I agree with all of it, but it definitely is helpful. I want to think long and hard about this lynch, because I agree it is crucial.

On a side note, I tend to take people's RL excuses at face value, but the cynic in me finds it a bit weird that BWT, Bullz, and Hedge all posted in a row about not being able to be around much today. It almost seems like people are fleeing in order to avoid being discussed.

thellama73 wrote:Hedgeowl, I included you because of this post where you expressed sympathy for the theory that Tyler only recruits from fight winners. Maybe that was unfair, but as I said to Long Con, I was in a hurry to get out the door. I will have to go back and see who initially put these theories out there, but my point was less about the personalities involved and more about the fact that SVS was singling me out for making assumptions while ignoring far stronger assumptions by others.

Hedgeowl wrote: Early on I thought this as well about Tyler recruits coming from fight winners. Someone made the point that the would be such a narrow group and once we found one, we'd find all the rest as well. I think it's too small a group, but maybe not in a game this big, with 4 different fight clubs going on at once before. Recruiting close friends would be a risky move as well I'd think, because they'd be connected to someone instantly if another teammate was caught. Aces died in the no-vote massacre, but hadnt been recruited, which I'd think was smart since DH had been.

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright, I've slept on it and thought a bit more on it, and unfortunately, llama, I don't think I can continue on with your theory. It hinges too much on the cops not having been compromised (which is something I worry has happened). If you can provide evidence to the contrary of how there is absolutely, positively, no way that this has happened yet, I'll hear it out. But otherwise I'm going to go in a different direction for today's lynch.

I don't think it hinges on that at all. It hinges on there being a period of several nights when Tyler considered the cops a threat, and recruited accordingly. If Tyler never considered the cops a threat from the beginning, then the theory falls apart, but unless Tyler is Vompatti or someone who does crazy things for the sake of doing them, I don't think that is likely.

Several nights where he consider them a threat? How would he not consider them a threat at any point during the game? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

If he doesn't consider them a threat anymore, it's because they're all dead. Which would also make your theory meaningless.

Let me try again.

My theory is as follows:

Assumption 1: Tyler does not want his recruits killed by the police.
Assumption 2: Tyler is capable of thinking logically and strategically.

It follows from these assumptions that Tyler will recruit people he thinks are unlikely to be killed by the police.

Why would someone be unlikely to be killed by the police?
1. The police are all dead, and can kill no one, so anyone is a viable recruit. (impossible for at least a few night periods.)
2. A majority of the police have been recruited, so they are no longer a threat, and anyone is a viable recruit. (impossible for at least a few night periods.)
3. The recruit is someone the police are not likely to check, meaning someone they trust or someone they haven't been paying attention to.

For the first few night periods, then, Tyler will have recruited based on criterion 3. Tyler's first few recruits are therefore people who the police either trust or haven't been paying attention to.

All of this follows logically from my assumptions. The theory has nothing to do with how effective the police actually are or whether they were later all recruited. It has to do with the fact that Tyler must have considered them a threat early in the game.

Is that quite clear now?

P.S. Long COn, I will address your post in a moment.

thellama73 wrote:Also, SVS, I wish you would devote the same amount of energy to disputing the numerous, absolutely ridiculous theories of "who Tyler can recruit" based on nothing but wild guess from people like Timmer, Hedgeowl and Long Con.

It doesn't strike you as odd that they keep saying things like "well, let's assume that Tyler can only rercuit people whose name starts with J and who were born between April and June during a full moon on leap year"? And you thought I was making too many assumptions!

thellama73 wrote:

unfurl wrote: Quiet people are quiet, it always happend, but if we go lynching quiet people rather then suspects, we are really handing the game to Tyler

That's nonsense, because the police are an effective method for dealing with "suspects", which means Tyler will concentrate on recruiting "non-suspect" or, in other words, quiet people.

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to lay out my rationale for voting for less suspicious players (not "quiet players," as I have been misrepresented as saying) one more time, since no one seems able to grasp it.

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thellama73 wrote:I'm going to lay out my rationale for voting for less suspicious players (not "quiet players," as I have been misrepresented as saying) one more time, since no one seems able to grasp it.

Imagine you're Tyler. It's Night 1. You have a pool of 29 players to choose from to recruit. You also know that each night the police can check one player and if they learn he is a recruit, can kill him.

Player X is shouting and being unreasonable and everyone thinks he might be bad. Player Y is being helpful and friendly and everyone trusts him. Which one do think the police are more likely to check with the hope of killing a recruit? I would say, and I imagine Tyler would say, Player X.

It would therefore be suicide to recruit Player X, who would have a high probability of immediately dying when checked by the police. It would be smarter to recruit Player Y.

Repeat for Night 2, Night 3, Etc.

Now, to address SVS' point, suppose that Tyler inadvertently gets a policeman on one of the early nights. He then gains the advantage of their BTSC and will certainly start trying to recruit other policemen. The police are unlikely to search each other early in the game, so he is pretty safe, but it would still be wiser to recruit policemen who are not likely to get lynched soon before moving on to the others. If Tyler recruits a poiliceman and he is lynched the next day, we will all learn that the police have been compromised, and the police will start checking each other as suspects, undermining Tyler's double-agent strategy. It is better to maintain the subterfuge as long as possible, by starting with the police least likely to get themselves lynched, i.e. nice, helpful, unsuspicious ones.

Why am I the only one who sees that this makes sense?

Long Con wrote:It's probably safest to just work under the assumption that the baddies share BTSC. They must have some form of unity... If it's blind then lynches don't tell us as much I guess.

S~V~S wrote:The only way I could see it working for Mayhem without BTS would be if maybe Tyler knew who they were, and could send directions or something like in the movie. You never know who might have been in Project Mayhem in the movie, it could be the guy sitting next to you on the train. Only Tyler know who everyone was.

So this could be a plausible scenario~ but the whole point of Mafia is the uninformed majority against the informed minority. So based on similarity to the movie, it is possible, but only if Tyler can direct the recruits in some way.

Sorsha wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

And yes, I'd like to see what would happen if the two players who have killed people would do to one another if they fought. Hopefully we would learn something because this game is going to shit quick for the townies.

.....orrrrrrr you want to see us fight because you're scared of the strength we've gained? Worried that you or your boss won't be able to beat us if/when he has to fight one of us? Trying to turn civvies against the two people who are probably their most capable protectors in the event of a Tyler fight?

......orrrrrrrr I think one, if not both of you, us bad.

I think Tyler would be smart to have chosen either of you as a recruit.

Welp, since I have only just recently proved my machismo and prowess (though I knew I had it in my soul deep down all along ), I'm guessing you think unfurl is the baddie here? I can only assume that's what your implying, since if you're suggesting that Tyler is recruiting strong fighters than Tyler would surely not have recruited me when the only thing I'd done all game was to LOSE a fight to the Great Spaghetti Monster or some such equally non-pugilisitcally-named character. Whether he tries to recruit me now that I've won and proven myself to be a badass motherfucker, I obviously have no control over. But your suspicion of me by the logic presented above (if that is what you are implying) is not so convincing.

Fwiw, I absolutely do not think unfurl is a baddie, and while I am totally willing to fight again, I do not think having me (an unrecruited civ) fight her (who I believe is also an unrecruited civ) and possibly kill one of us (thus losing our AWESOME STRENGTH AND MAJESTY from the civ team) is really a good idea.

I'll fight you, though, if you want.

I think Tyler May have recruited you early after you joined the game, if FH wasn't on his team already. DH was over joyed to have you join the game so I think if Tyler listened to any of his recruits about who should be chosen that you'd be a good pick. But I had forgotten that you had lost a fight (as FH) so that does give me a bit of pause there.

I'm undecided about how I think Tyler picks his recruits. I don't know if it has to do with their winning/ losing record or if he has to be in the same location or not. Early on I thought that it was between winners of fights but I'm not really basing my suspicions on theories, more on who I think would be a good recruit.

And I don't care.... I'll fight again. You or whoever else.

Bullzeye wrote:So now the chaos is over I'm back for the night. This is what I meant with my vote: Llama seems very sure of how Tyler is recruiting, which really makes me wonder. Also the point he makes in the post below is very odd to me.

thellama73 wrote:

unfurl wrote: Quiet people are quiet, it always happend, but if we go lynching quiet people rather then suspects, we are really handing the game to Tyler

That's nonsense, because the police are an effective method for dealing with "suspects", which means Tyler will concentrate on recruiting "non-suspect" or, in other words, quiet people.

He seems to essentially be saying to give any suspicious people a pass and instead just lynch the quiet players, whom I highly doubt are going to be recruited. If I was Tyler I wouldn't recruit a very quiet person and if I were very quiet in this game I would expect not to be recruited. He highly overrates the ability of the police, acting as if they're sure to kill a baddie every night for us when they haven't actually got anyone since DH and there were theories that the police were compromised after INH's death.

I found this interesting as well considering we do know that DH was a recruit and he was one of the most vocal players. Plus the police can check someone before they were recruited, so it's not foolproof.

S~V~S wrote: Has Juliets given an opinion on you? As someone who was spectacularly fooled by a recruited Bullz, I would like her take on it, and don't recall having seen it. I have to go and look. But having recruited you in the past, I don't think I am seeing bad Bullz.

She did after this post, but I'd like to comment that Lost was a totally different circumstance. I didn't really fool OA or JC, I proved to them irrefutably that I was a civ and was only able to do that because I had been one. They had no reason to think I wasn't anymore, or that I had never been while in btsc with them.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Hmmmm...I actually feel like I have a lot to digest from these results. But I have to run out to my now-former store and then Sockalex and I are hanging out for a bit.

I do know I want to re-read unfurl and Canucklehead now. I have a nagging feeling right now about people who fight and manage to kill their opponent. But I want to see if my theory holds any water first.

I'd be interested to hear more about this theory, as I have one of my own that I don't really feel like I should share just yet.

I'm offering my vote tonight out to the first person to ask for it that hasn't yet won a fight.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote: So your vote was more of a shot in the dark for Kyle and yet Bea followed your instincts on this one? Strange,

Bea is very smart. I wish more people would follow my instincts.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Did they also vote based on his vote for you Bullz? I need to check their posts.

I didn't. I am not convinced Bullz is good, so I wouldn't vote for Kyle based on that.

thellama73 wrote:Super busy today and not much time, but I want to make sure I don't miss the vote.

I'm actually going wildcard and voting for Kyle. He is on unfurl's list and I found his eagerness to participate in the last fight a little unsettling. Just a gut ping.

Canucklehead wrote:I randomized! Among those who already had votes! Voted ninjuuuuu! Hooray!

timmer wrote:Okay, hold the damn phone.

So yesterday, near the end of the lynch, you come in and say this:

nijuukyugou wrote:Thank goodness I still had this page open; I nearly forgot the vote! I read this thread earlier, but didn't get terribly strong feelings. However, in the past couple of games I've played, inactive people have often turned out to be bad. Both Nevinera and johns2jj have been so, and I'm not really feeling Bullz as being bad. The flyby vote on Nevinera by johns2jj pinged me when I first read the thread, so I'm gonna go with him. Not a strong feeling, but I must vote so I don't suffer Sock's consequences.

The poll, when you write this, has four people with 4-5 votes. Bullz, johns, nevinera and vompatti. You clearly have read the thread, you say as much in your post. Yours is the VERY LAST VOTE to come in. You vote for johns, the vote that ultimately killed him. You say NOTHING about Vompatti, despite him being in the LEAD with 5 votes at the time of your vote, meaning it was kind of a big deal.

And then here we are today.

You say this:

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm gonna forget to vote if I don't do it now, and I certainly don't want to be modkilled I've read some arguments but I feel rather confused by most of them at the moment. (I blame it on vacation brain.) The one that does stand out to me is the case on Vomps. Not terribly strong, but what is on what is really a "Day 2" kind of vote? I've ignored Vomps before, and he's been good. I've ignored Vomps before, and he's been bad. Yeah, he has his moments of lucidity, but he has been a bit more on point with this game than I've noticed in others (especially those he turned out to be good), and it seems others have noticed this, too. I'm not gung-ho about the choice, but I feel stronger about voting him than anyone else at the moment.

So suddenly, you are confused about most of the cases, even though the case against bullz and nevinera HAVEN'T CHANGED AT ALL. But suddenly, the case against Vomps stands out to you? The case against Vomps, which was largely brought up by me? Because here's the deal, man. I brought up the case against Vompatti YESTERDAY (in game terms), but TODAY I actually said I thought I was wrong. in fact, I don't believe has actually laid out a case against Vomps today, its just been a few people who referenced yesterday, basically.

So how do you go from commenting on everyone but Vompatti yesterday and casting the final, damaging vote in the lynchto suddenly being confused by all of the cases, but hey the one against Vompatti seems best?

I think there is a solid chance that you tried to save one of bullz or nevinera yesterday. I think you're either a recruit or Tyler. I do NOT think you were trying to save a cop, for the record, because INH voted near the end and placed his vote on a third party, which tells me none of his cop buddies were in trouble at all yesterday. So if you were coming to someone's help, they were bad, and so are you.

voting nijuu

timmer wrote:Okay, so... alive people who had never shared a fight club with DH: Boomslang, Hedgeowl, juliets, Keterman, unfurl and Spacedaisy.

Alive people who only shared a fight club with DH day/night 4: Elohcin, FH/Canucklehead, Vompatti.

I personally won't vote for any of them today. Again, any of them could be RECRUITS. I just doubt any of them are TYLER.

@KEterman, absolutely, people need to follow their gut on these things.

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:I wish by now we at least knew what's the cause for potential death in the fights. Really even the smallest piece of information would be greatly useful in deciding who to vote for to fight, but as it is, I'm just not sure. I'm leaning towards vomps now as the next lynch candidate, but I'm not sure if him being in a fight would be a good idea. What if we wins and gets a lynchproof prize or something? Everything is speculation.

I'm assuming (without much hard info) that the fights are determined by comparing the fighters' strengths, plus some kind of randomized process to introduce uncertainty, and that a final difference between fight levels determines whether the loses is injured or killed.

I'm leaning towards agreement with you, but that's a lot of assumptions without much hard info as you admit yourself. And even accepting that this is the case, the public isn't aware of this final difference between fight levels that you speak of so we don't know who would be a wise candidate against whoever we want dead.

We do know how many fights each person has won or lost, though, so if we put up a winner against a loser, the odds are good of seeing the outcome we desire.

By my calculations, the only people left who haven't fought are Kyle, Boomslang, juliets, DP 2.0 and Elohcin. If this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight, so maybe it would be wise to pick two of them.

Canucklehead wrote:I want to fight.
I am a weakling, and wish to prove my manliness through physical violence. I firmly believe that my worth as a human is directly tied to my ability to physically dominate another person. Please allow me to enact my latent desires by pummeling a fellow player into a weeping, bloody husk of muddled flesh.

timmer wrote:@Hedge, you make a fair point. I did swerve from bulls to Vomp, but it's because I noticed the Vomp stuff afterwards and bulls' replies made some sense to me.

timmer wrote:

bullzeye wrote:

timmer wrote:Day 2, in Wilmington, DH was still talking about moving groups together: "Also, what I suggest would be funny would be if BWT, myself, boogs, and whoever wins this upcoming fight all go to the same place." Also, DH and bullz voted to move together that night, heading together to DC, along with Nevinera and SVS. Only bullz lost his fight badly and had to sit out.

So I could see a connection between DH and bullz, especially because Day 2 DH mentioned that he was considering voting for bullz to fight,

DH had nothing to do with my vote on day two. Read my posts. I wanted to go to DC because I wanted to go somewhere I hadn't been and of the two options (DC and Penn) more people were talking about going to DC.

Its easy to say that. But the fact remains DH tried to help you get the fight and you followed him twice but the second move failed due to your loss. You will likely get my vote today.

timmer wrote:Bullz has a point, here. In many ways this is like a Day 1, and the points I brought up about him and DH, while I feel they could be valid, aren't exactly concrete, so for people to jump on that blindly is very poor.

I'm going to look at things a bit differently now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we even know when DH was recruited? I've been thinking that it was night 1 when he fought, but who's to say it wasn't night 2, or 3? Everything I pointed out about Bullz is irrelevant if DH wasn't yet recruited.

So let me point something else out, that I just found that feels pingy... gimme a sec to put it together, the lack of quoting sucks.

bea wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Look, I can't be any clearer -- there is absolutely NO meaning to whether people may or may not have gotten a PM after a fight. Everyone should have. Regardless of alignment and regardless of whether they won or lost or whatever. If they did not, it's my fault, though nearly everyone should have received one. The only affected parties should be those who were not seriously injured and lost, and only on one particular night. The PMs specified whether the player won or lost, if they seriously injured, killed, or did not injure their opponent, and whether they won any fighting skill levels (losers did not ever gain fighting skill levels).

It says absolutely nothing about the alignment of any player who may or may not have gotten a PM or not. It was clearly my oversight because I overloaded myself with too many things to track in the first part of this game while I'm trying to get ready to move.

This should not be an issue to be discussed merely because I failed to send a PM to someone when I should have. It would also not be in anyone's best interest to lie about not receiving a PM because there is nothing of substance in a non-injured loser PM (and hence why I might have failed to send these out, since they only would have said "you lost and were not injured").

So what you're saying is, if someone didn't get a PM, they are definitely a recruit? Got it.

Of all the funny things you've said this game, this one made me spit coffee on the monitor. Thanks for that llama.

thellama73 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I think it's ironic that I'm getting bandwagoned because I'm supposedly a recruit when I'd been really hoping to get recruited and never did.

Maybe you'll get recruited tomorrow! Hope springs eternal.

If you do, be sure to let us know though, okay?

Black Rock wrote:By my point of view the recruitment of winners doesn't hold much water. I won a fight and nothing happened besides my fighting skill got better, or whatever it is. After that I wasn't comfortable fighting any first timers so I bowed out. DH would have known as a winner that he would have been more likely to beat and maybe kill a first timer. The only suspicion I would have of a winner is if they were pushing to fight like DH did.

I don't know if I missed this but Unfurl, do you know why you were able to kill DP in your fight? I wish I knew how the fights were designed but our dear host will not enlighten me.

S~V~S wrote:I am in Penns Grove Night 4, and so far DH has been fluffing everybody.

Linki A, Thanks Sorsha, although in Penns Grove, i saw Bea mention it, i think so far the only mention of it I have seen.
Linki B, @ Hedge, he might want to fight again to gain powah. Level up, etc.

thellama73 wrote:

timmer wrote:Interesting. hedge, any follow-up? considering thellama's reply too you, my ping is getting stronger. ..

Roxy, I make no apology for wanting to fight! it seemed like the game was going to be a serIes of fights and if you go through my posts youll find one where I broke down in detail my thoughts on how people would survive this game. it involved poker analogies. I stand by my reasoning. I think trying to find baddies by looking at people whowanted top fight, when the game isfight club, is maybe not the greatest idea personally. what do you think of hedge??,

I actually think she is telling the truth. I was just messing with her.

timmer wrote:So I've got a question for Hedgeowl. On Day 2 when I shifted fight clubs, I had noticed your post from Day 1 where you said that the hometown in the thread's title meant nothing to you.

You said: "I saw that, but it didnt mean anything to me. So you think other people are in a different hometown?"

i speculated at the time that, considering that Tyler is a figment of the narrator's imagination, maybe the Tyler role PM didn't feature a hometown. It's a longshot, admittedly, but your post pinged me because of it.

So my question to you is simply... why did the fight club hometown mean nothing to you?

Hedgeowl wrote: Hellooo Wilmington! Ketermen and I have returned from New Castle bearing news, but no beer.

So, I just caught up on the thread and you know what's funny? DH proposed that all people from New Castle move as a voting block to other cities. While I don't remember if he advocated killing all the others, it is funny that llama got all the flack for that. In my mind they basically proposed similar ideas.

Is Timmer here? Since we don't have a poll I don't know who to respond to. Yes, I was initially confused about what hometown meant and no I didn't read or remember in detail the contents of my PM. (I have since reread it ) I am at the beach this week, but promise to be more attentive next week.

Also, Kate was seriously injured and did stay behind in New Castle.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I am voting for Nevinera because I haven't seen hide nor hair of him all game and because his wife is having a baby tomorrow and he has no business playing mafia at such a time and also to stir the thread up and make everyone say "why is llama voting so early? that is sure suspicious!" and other such silly things.

I am actually looking for a replacement for Nevinera.

Does this mean I won the fight?

No. You did not win. He just asked me the other day for a replacement due to the reasons llama stated above.

Speaking of fights...

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I am voting for Nevinera because I haven't seen hide nor hair of him all game and because his wife is having a baby tomorrow and he has no business playing mafia at such a time and also to stir the thread up and make everyone say "why is llama voting so early? that is sure suspicious!" and other such silly things.

I am actually looking for a replacement for Nevinera.