The Syndicate

So it looks like the kill redirected to Devin who survived and you didn't go to the red room till the next day.

Did you and Juliet's realize I was Henderson after that?

Just finished reading all you wrote DH. Wow, awesome stuff. Seriously you should write ebooks for Kindle for funsies. Self-publishing is all the rage these days. (Granted I hear from some that cyber security pays well too....)

Did you try to kill me the same night you died? I have to check who it was redirected to.

Mongoose wrote:Why can no one ever read me?

</whine>

I felt so bad that my shining contribution to the game was to get you lynched. I was pretty sure from the beginning with your interaction with Llama that you were baddie, but didnt want to bring it up right away since I wasn't sure.

As Henderson, The only threat to me I knew of was lynches and Creeper. I figured as long as I wasn't too suspicious I had a good chance of lasting quite a while. I assumed that if I was targeted and it redirected that baddies would figure out my role and realize I had to be lynched instead. Not sure I was ever targeted for an NK though, so I kept waiting for people to start trying to get me lynched, but they were all civ/Indy lol.

Juliets as usual played an excellent game. I really didnt know about her and she defends herself so well. Lizzy you were so right about DH and I was so trusting for the time being, but so wrong about me.

Glad Elo that I went out as the final Creepsplosion of glory at least!

Thanks for a truly amazing and complex game MP. I loved my role so much. (No PMs and I couldn't be NK'd)

Agreed they both deserve the win and I'd be happy to give it to them. Voted for boomer because he was pretty memorable as tofu boy too.

Under standably I really hope Elo is bad, because otherwise who is really left? Everyone is vouching for everyone else is this game. It almost feels like Elos the only one left or otherwise some of us are not who we have guessed etc.

Votes Elo

Nevinera wrote:There are lots of thing I (for example) do not know.
How would you like me to take them under consideration?
Should I make illogical decisions based on the fact that my logic might be wrong?
Should I vote roughly randomly to compensate for the chance that MP is just messing with us when he tells us things?

Please, recommend some specific alternative course of action while you rail at my behavior.
Any ideas what this "boom" might be, or how we could prepare for it?
Should we lynch boomslang first, based on your feelings about his behavior?
What role do you think he has, and how would lynching him again help us win in that case?

Linki mp - interesting!
And I am confused that they would choose her, since she was one of a small pool of suspects.
Still, I suppose the odds she would waste a Rez to kill herself to throw off suspicion are a bit remote,
so I'll pop her up into the probably civ category with DF.
I wonder if maybe Henderson is still around? That would explain the very odd choice of target.
I suppose BB is still unaccounted for, so that might have been the alarm clock going off.

Linki mp again..
Bah. I hate guessing games!

I am out most of the day, so I am just going to remind Nev of this post before he votes.

SVS, I am most surprised by your vote as I thought you might be the one person to know I was possibly civ. My question to you is how come I never got to play your game?

I am not an important civ by any means, but I am civ nonetheless. Sorry if my attempts at discussion make me a baddie, but seriously I was at least trying in the limited time I have right now. Based on my role, which you will all know soon enough, I have been wathcing and waiting for when the lynch bandwagoning might start around me, as a sign of baddies, That is why I am so surprised its coming from NEev and FH, and thats I had the ZOdac speculation that I did. Think about it.

ok, I am out peace ya'll.

Ebwop: prefer NOT to be lynched. Lol.

S~V~S wrote:Every time i express an opinion, you tell me about hints, or FH tells me what I missed. Like i said, i just sincerely hope you all are right.

You're right there are unknowns but being they are unknown, I can't really factor them in can I?

True. But no one seems to be even acknowledging that the possibility (probablility, certainty) that our host is fucking with us exists. And while some people might not know this, some should. like me, like you. The tone of this remark strikes me badly.

Again, i want to vote for you,~ very, very badly. You are setting off every alarm I have. But more than any other game i have ever played, I feel irrelevant, which makes me doubt myself.

I actually feel like this is something I have been trying to say but failing since several posts I walked away from before finishing. I was really counting on Mongoose being bad and hopefully shedding light on Beas as a possible baddie in thàt case. Since the opposite happened that has made me reevaluate for sure. What I really wonder is if we arè just a bunch of civs sitting around trying to find a baddie or two or whether its the opposite and there have been recruits. I don't know who FH, DF, Elo, SD are and only have guess for Bea, Boom, and Nev. and for the confirmed folk who knows if their roles are right at this point or if something happened with rezzing recruits etc.

If Zodac needs to achieve a balanced game then I could see why more civs need to go. And it makes me wonder about those rezzed by Zodac. I would prefer to to be lynched of course, but I am only one person, so we will see. mongoose felt the same and didnt stop us there.

It would be nice if someone makes at least a small case on me to address, if they are leaning there. Basically those of us who haven't role hinted are being punished by being lynched as unknown, rather than baddie. I'd rather at least lynch a Kate voter, than go on nothing.

Ebwop: I hate that smiley popping up everytime one types : p

S~V~S wrote:A few people seemed to be implying that DF had hinted at a certain role. Maybe it was a real hint, maybe it was a fake one, maybe it was a freaking coincidence. But a hint means someone is a civvie, right? Should that be orange, lol?

Memo to all, if I ever hint again myself, shoot me, K?

:polite giggle:

S~V~S wrote:I was thinking that maybe we have each others "Disarm Bomb" buttons, that would be very evil, lol.

Maybe MP hasnt decided yet and will just use the best guess. So, basically we have no idea what will happen.

Hedgeowl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am just going to say that i am extremely frustrated; I find it highly unlikely that our host would allow his roles to be so easily pinned down, and i find it distressing that no one will take it under consideration that there might be things they do not know.

For a variety of reasons, Boom struck me as someone with BTS, not as an Indy.

Much as i do not wish to lose after dying twice, I must say I will smirk if not laugh when the boom is dropped by the host. As i am sure it will be.

I cna understand your feeling here. I am definitely starting to feel like everyone can't be who we think anymore or if they are then maybe recruited etc? There were crazayee bTS stuff in Bioshock. I just can't imagine it's that simple. However, I just have no good reads on people and when I thought I did I was very wrong.

There are 11 of us left and based on what people think maybe only to baddies and Cohen, so 9 civs/zodac. That seems like a lot, but with another kill tonight potentially 8 vs 2,3 or more.

The list:

Roles revealed as civ: Lizzy, SVS, BWT

People likely to be civ: Nev, Bea

Likely Indy or bad: boom

Unknowns: DF, ELo, FH, Hedge, SD

Without any evidence saying there's possible recruitment etc I think we should focus on the last 5 people. People seem to be given DF the botd, so I must have missed something there. I am conflicted on Elo given her frustration at the last lynch. Except for being very helpful I have no other inclinations on FH, but haven reread her at all and as other said I don't think there much either way for Daisy.

I didn't get much of a response here, so repost.

I have no read or idea on these last 4 people besides myself. FH made a likely case for why she is not on either team, but the same could be said for me almost, so anything else I am missing? Also, DF is playing exactly like I would expect bad or civv and I've been baddie with him twice. Honestly it all feels like a shot in the dark at this point.

Well that's an interesting! WB Daisy, what are your thoughts coming back?

S~V~S wrote:I am just going to say that i am extremely frustrated; I find it highly unlikely that our host would allow his roles to be so easily pinned down, and i find it distressing that no one will take it under consideration that there might be things they do not know.

For a variety of reasons, Boom struck me as someone with BTS, not as an Indy.

Much as i do not wish to lose after dying twice, I must say I will smirk if not laugh when the boom is dropped by the host. As i am sure it will be.

I cna understand your feeling here. I am definitely starting to feel like everyone can't be who we think anymore or if they are then maybe recruited etc? There were crazayee bTS stuff in Bioshock. I just can't imagine it's that simple. However, I just have no good reads on people and when I thought I did I was very wrong.

There are 11 of us left and based on what people think maybe only to baddies and Cohen, so 9 civs/zodac. That seems like a lot, but with another kill tonight potentially 8 vs 2,3 or more.

The list:

Roles revealed as civ: Lizzy, SVS, BWT

People likely to be civ: Nev, Bea

Likely Indy or bad: boom

Unknowns: DF, ELo, FH, Hedge, SD

Without any evidence saying there's possible recruitment etc I think we should focus on the last 5 people. People seem to be given DF the botd, so I must have missed something there. I am conflicted on Elo given her frustration at the last lynch. Except for being very helpful I have no other inclinations on FH, but haven reread her at all and as other said I don't think there much either way for Daisy.

I have said it before that I would prefer not to role hint given the number of outed civs in this game. There is also one civ in particular, who may have a good guess who I am, and potentially the baddie team as well. As a result I have been carefully waiting to see who starts the ball rolling on a potential lynch for me.

I am as lost as anyone in this game as to where to look next because I felt very good about the case against Mongoose. The baddies have done such a good job getting civs lynched, considering what we think has been really bad luck for them getting killed at night.

I think it Boom is Cohen then we need to be very careful voting for him, but if that seems like the best course of action then I am not totally against it. A wasted lynch gives the baddies another Nk though, so I would also prefer to try and lynch a potential baddie.

Rip mongoose. This is definitely a bad result. I think looking at Booms actions this game is essential if we are ever going to lynch a baddie. I feel good about Lizzy and nev, but SD, FH, and Boom are to making me feel good at all right now.

bea wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

bea wrote:I think they hinted. I was not the only person to catch it.

Tbh I only moved her into the question catagory because I feel like I'm the only one who sees her as good. If I'm the only one theni have to at least conciser the life's that I'm a sucker. Right?

It would be the first time that a bunch of civs were wrong, misled, etc. but if she's not Percy then I don't think she good either.

votes Mongoose

Not sure if there was a typo up there or a slip.

I'm sad that people seem to use my moments of doubt about goosey to jump right on that that train. I'm sadder that I wasn't yet again clear enough.
Phone is about to die and I am half a town away from home.
I'm voting elo.

Definitely multiple typos. It would not* be the first time.

It wasn't your moment of doubt for me, it was that I thought there was a very specific civ role Mongoose could be and as a result maybe I was wrong about her as a baddie. Since you weren't thinking she was Percy and SVS didn't either I found myself left with my old thoughts that's she bad. Granted i dont know how to take Booms vote for her at the end if he's Cohen or fetus.

Linki I don't think u hate your cat.

bea wrote:I think they hinted. I was not the only person to catch it.

Tbh I only moved her into the question catagory because I feel like I'm the only one who sees her as good. If I'm the only one theni have to at least conciser the life's that I'm a sucker. Right?

It would be the first time that a bunch of civs were wrong, misled, etc. but if she's not Percy then I don't think she good either.

votes Mongoose

bea wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

bea wrote:Goosey did also imply pretty heavily that she had lots to do with my rez and that it may have been a result of the contest prizes. Again I ask, why would she have rezed me if she wasn't civ? This is one of the things I mean by "her actions in the game aren't consistent with being a baddie."

I guess she could be pulling the wool over my eyes, but it's really, really hard for me to buy that she's bad.

Bea I am interested in this thought right here. Do you still think mongoose had something to do with your rezz? Considering you defended her yesterday but now place her and I as tier 2 suspects I am just wondering. Based on ths statement and some thinking I have been wondering if mongoose is in fact a very useful civvie.

Now that we know it was a tie between Boom and Elo, there are only so many reasons that could have happened. Based on Nevs thought that Percy could have influenced the vote, there are only 3 people that could be: Mongoose, bea, and Elo.

Based on bea statements above if BDH were thomas and his partner Percy had the ability to rezz someone, wouldnt it be likely that person would rezz bea? Only other way I see this working is if bea is Percy. Thoughts?

This would make me reevaluate my stance on Mongoose. Otherwise I will probably vote for her again.

I think goosey rezzed me via a prize. It is how I read her hints. I am not Percy. I do not think she is Percy. I think Percy is very much alive. I was not throwing her under the bus. I did not say I was voting her nor did I vote her. I WAS saying that maybe I'm missing something if so many others seem to think she is bad.


You and she and fh are in this weird middle ground for me.

Linki

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This makes me more likely to vote Mongoose, although she did swear on her cat, which in Animal Sanctuary Code speak is pretty serious.

We still have almost two hours right? I need dinner and will be back.

S~V~S wrote:I kinda think Percy is dead~ I had someone in mind for that role.

I am gonna go with Bea. Her throwing Goosey under the bus so easily after the major production yesterday is making me tense, tbh.

I do keep forgetting about the prizes since no one gave me one. I do not feel good about beas 180 on Mongoose either, but would love to hear from both of them. It occured to me the other day and I wish I had posted earlier.

bea wrote:Goosey did also imply pretty heavily that she had lots to do with my rez and that it may have been a result of the contest prizes. Again I ask, why would she have rezed me if she wasn't civ? This is one of the things I mean by "her actions in the game aren't consistent with being a baddie."

I guess she could be pulling the wool over my eyes, but it's really, really hard for me to buy that she's bad.

Bea I am interested in this thought right here. Do you still think mongoose had something to do with your rezz? Considering you defended her yesterday but now place her and I as tier 2 suspects I am just wondering. Based on ths statement and some thinking I have been wondering if mongoose is in fact a very useful civvie.

Now that we know it was a tie between Boom and Elo, there are only so many reasons that could have happened. Based on Nevs thought that Percy could have influenced the vote, there are only 3 people that could be: Mongoose, bea, and Elo.

Based on bea statements above if BDH were thomas and his partner Percy had the ability to rezz someone, wouldnt it be likely that person would rezz bea? Only other way I see this working is if bea is Percy. Thoughts?

This would make me reevaluate my stance on Mongoose. Otherwise I will probably vote for her again.

Linki

Aww, RIP Timmer! I am almost positive you were a Trusty civ. Daisy, I think it very likely Boom is fetus or Cohen given his survival.

Mongoose - I am remembering our first game together. In the words of Simon, are you bad?

I am not surprised that the lynch was between Boom and Elo at all. I will have to go over Timmers analysis again and think carefully on my next vote. Don't think I will vote Booms again since BWT still has work to do. Surprised he wasn't the target actually.

Linki I keep forgetting about penny and macguyver. Seems unlikely they are both still alive since we have seen no civ ninja.

Mongoose wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote: Something clicked for me and I now understand why you placed trust in Mongoose, Bea. Also, if you are right, she will not be lynched. That will change the next lynch cycle for me a lot I think, so will be interested to see how this night goes.
.

There's absolutely nothing protecting me from a lynch, unfortunately. I know it must seem that I act nonsensically to you all at times, but when has that ever been an indicator of my alignment?

That was confusing. I actually meant because I think the tie is between Boom and Elo, not because of your role.

Lizzy wrote:Hang on! This is a tie between Elo aaaaand...?

Just saw this. We don't know, but if I had to bet right now. I'd say Boom and Elo.

bea wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Bea - cause I am sleep deprived and it makes me sometimes. I was thinking becuase it shows up in the night post. doh!

Zodac - we leave it in your capable hands. Please choose wisely.

fair enough hedgey - I'm near hitting the point where makes me :derp:y.

I hope zodac picks well. His track record is pretty good tbh.

Also- as a side note - since in the red room things are "opposite rules" and "your role in the red room is not related to the role you had in the other game" Anyone else think that the MP role = zodac?

I'm mildly jelly that wine isn't my reason these days. my son turned 10 months yesterday! It's amazing and scary at the same time. 10 months of sleep I will never get back.

Something clicked for me and I now understand why you placed trust in Mongoose, Bea. Also, if you are right, she will not be lynched. That will change the next lynch cycle for me a lot I think, so will be interested to see how this night goes.

Interesting point about MP = Zodac. I have no idea how closely he is tying these two games together. I keep feeling like we are in for a "surprise" Jk this game doesn't matter, or does it...

Mongoose wrote:

bea wrote:life is beautiful is amazing. When it was first released, I had to search 3 counties to find a copy of it in the original Italian. I see it's on amazon prime now - but I'm skeered to re-watch it. If it's not in Italian, it's not right.

You mean it was... dubbed? Oh my.

oh I remeber that. We had to watch the dubbed version and it was hysterically ridiculous. Not as bad as Shrek dubbed into German that I saw in Switzerland. You cannot dub Eddie Murphy.

Bea - cause I am sleep deprived and it makes me sometimes. I was thinking becuase it shows up in the night post. doh!

Zodac - we leave it in your capable hands. Please choose wisely.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm not buying the baddie teams merging thing. In my almost 5 years of playing mafia, I have NEVER been in a game where that has happened. In fact, if someone has been in a game where that's occurred, I would like to know what game it is. Because while I'm sure it's possible, I've never, ever seen it happen before from what I remember.

I'm surprised no one else mentioned it, but I could see bea being Creeper and targeting herself when she had the shield. She survives a nightkill attempt and possibly gains massive civvie cred for it. I used that exact same strategy in Electronic Mafia. DP was on my indy team, and I protected him on the same night when we chose to target him for a NK. One of the baddie teams also happened to target him that same night, and he gained massive civvie cred from that. Enough that we won the game because of it.

So regardless of whether bea had the shield or not, she could still be Creeper for all we know. And I think the only way we will find out at this point is to lynch her. Which is fine since I'm pretty firmly convinced she's bad, and will vote for her until one of us dies.

This is really interesting, so you think it was just that, a story and the same mafia teams. Is tonight a Moriarty kill then we should know soon if he is gone.

Also, the more I think of Elo as Cohen the more the flying under the radar makes even more sense.

Yeah, bea could be Creeper in that theory as well. I just dont know. i am conflicted about the best choice for zodac, because honestly, if he chooses Mongoose or Boom we will not know their role, granted no idea who tied with Elo either.

Nevinera wrote:Bea said she still had the shield then, that it gets handed off every two days in this game.

I had forgotten that, but more my point was if she was BB then why target herself? So she cnat be that role I assume and I ammback to square one.

Linki ok, so i just have things wrong still. Thanks bea!

Looking back at other No lynches, Zodac did not resolve those, so it must be a tie I think.

I am starting to wonder if you are right about bea, BwT. i was just reading the story line and forgot Bea survived kils from creeper and BB, which was the other role I thought she could be. I just cant figure it out at this point.

Linki - but havent the baddie teams merged?

Nevinera wrote:I still have a good feeling about bea, though she is confusing me mightily again.
FH too, of course.

How did that tie happen?
Thomas would fit, but he's out supposedly.
I guess we could have Percy copying him?

I cnat figure it out. Cause its seeming more likely that Elo is civ, but only vote manip. i would think is Rumps if still alive. However, didnt MP say that anyone could get extra vote if they used the word?

Linki but zodac only resolves ties right?

I already gave what I consider a hint to someone about my role in this game, but since we have outed civs all over the place I would prefer not to push further. I have also pointed my initial targetting of VAL, which I would have been unlikely to do if on a team with AP and I also voted for Epi on the other baddie team. While as I said before these are not major evidence of my civihood I think they should be considered in that it is unlikely I am a baddie for either team.

I am very conflicted about this vote as most of us are, but will stick with Mongoose and hope my suspicions were justified.

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And got interrupted typing this and almost missed the vote.

Voted Mongoose.

Linki whoa

Mongoose your response is appreciated. I am just conflicted because all your answers sound so reasonable, but then I expect that from you, so . iDK what to do at this point. I agree with SVS that I didn't love Df's response to it, and I just can't tell with Boom and Elo right now.

My list currently:

Confirmed civ: Lizzy, BWT, SVS

Trusting: Timmer, Nev, Bea

Unsure: FH, BF, SD

Distrust: Mongoose, DF, Boom, and Elo

So unless there is some mechanic we don't of where people are gettin recruited or some unknown shenanigans are going on then I am operating under the assumption that the civs are still who we think.

Most likely my vote will be going to Mongoose or DF tonight.

Linki BWT and goose

RIPIYWG juliets! Apologies for forgetting. I honestly haven't been doing that for anyone much this game because I keep forgetting and so many people are being rezzed etc.

I don't know what to make of Booms frustration, but it reminds me of how Russti acted as a baddie in Mario. At the time it really made me think he was a civ and doubt myself. So makes me wonder about Boomer, but not enough to vote him now.

Lizzy wrote:I think we can start with something. It probably won't work, but I don't have any better ideas.

Hedgie, since you're here, did you receive any offer from Mr Butler?

You mean Grady? No, i have never been offered anything.

Ok I have only made it through 4 pages of Mongooses 8 so far. What I did notice is that she is worried about the PP a lot and bring it up often. Having played Mario with her this didnt seem strange to me but coupled with her voting history it makes me wonder more.

Mongoose:
Day 1 INH
Nevinera (5), Flyin' High (6), Dom (7), Mongoose (8), Elohcin (9), juliets (10), Bullzeye (12), Kate (16), S~V~S (18), Spacedaisy (22) 37%

DAy 2 INH
Mongoose (2), Kate (4), DharmaHelper (5), Flyin' High (6), Bullzeye (7), thellama73 (8), birdwithteeth11 (9), blindfaeth (12), Spacedaisy (14),
Nevinera (15), Elohcin (16), AceofSpaces (18), juliets (19), reywaS (22), DisgruntledPorcupine (24), bea (25), DFaraday (28), Dom (29) 60%

Piranha Plant kill was #11 on K4J non-player.

Night 2 shield:
thellama73 (6), blindfaeth (10), Mongoose (21), Flyin' High (22), birdwithteeth11 (23), juliets (24), Boomslang (25) 26%

Day 3:
DisgruntledPorcupine:
Mongoose (8) 4%

Night 3:
Almost all of us voted for DP to be eliminated except for Bea and FH.
Zodac instead choose Dom who was Bob.

Day 4:
DisgruntledPorcupine
Epignosis (2), Mongoose (5), Russtifinko (7), Bullzeye (8), DharmaHelper (9), AceofSpaces (10), DisgruntledPorcupine (11), juliets (12), Elohcin
(14), Boomslang (15), Vompatti (22) 42%

PP killed #17 which was FH.

Night 4:
Voted SVS and Lizzy too.
Kate:
Mongoose (3), bea (8), Epignosis (15), thellama73 (17), Spacedaisy (20), Devin the Omniscient (31), birdwithteeth11 (34), juliets (43), Vompatti (46), Bullzeye (49), AceofSpaces (57) 19%

Day 5:
thellama73:
DharmaHelper (8), Nevinera (10), Devin the Omniscient (11), Flyin' High (12), Mongoose (13), juliets (16), Elohcin (19), Bullzeye (21), Epignosis(22), DFaraday (24) 37%

Night 5:
AceofSpaces (23 posts, missed no votes):
Lizzy (7), Devin the Omniscient (8), Nevinera (16), juliets (17), Mongoose (18), bea (19), birdwithteeth11 (21), Flyin' High (22), Russtifinko (23) 39%

Day 6:
BigDamnHero:
BigDamnHero (2), Mongoose (10) 8%

PP picked #9 and K4J absorbed it again.

Day 7:
Vompatti:
DharmaHelper (7), DFaraday (10), Hedgeowl (15), Mongoose (16), juliets (20), bea (23), Spacedaisy (24) 29%

Day 8:
thellama73:
Nevinera (5), blindfaeth (7), DharmaHelper (8), Mongoose (10), juliets (11), birdwithteeth11 (12), Flyin' High (13), bea (14), S~V~S (15), Devin the Omniscient (16), timmer (17), Boomslang (18), Elohcin (19), Spacedaisy (20) 70%

Day 9:
juliets:
Mongoose (8) 8%

Of the votes, Mongoose voted with Kate ttwice when Kate was still living, voted to rezz Kate, and voted with Epi several times. What I find interesting is about the PP plant days is she votes early on days where its 11 and 17, but when its #9 she votes #10 right after it was safe. It just indicates to me that she seem to be voting with knowledge.

The one hitch I had examining her record is it wouldnt make sense for her to vote juliets and then her tean NK juliets that same night, so that gives me pause.

Also, I have been quiet for chunks of this game, because I've had less time to post than in the past and was sick. However, I have posted more than Bwt (who called me quiet) and Lizzy. The people who have posted more than me alive ar Mongoose, bea, SVs, and Nev.

Lizzy wrote:Bea - I trust FH because someone I trust trusts her.
SVS - I know.
Nev - Woohoo! We could have a discussion about Cohen, but getting Creeper is a priority right now. If he randomly explodes, he takes at least one person with him. I wonder if Fetus is already dead or if not, at least lynchable.

Ah, just saw you said randomly, so I understand Nev's point now. It's not random I think too.

Nevinera wrote:

• Creeper - [Minecraft] – A creepy green creature. Each night he creeps up on a player and blocks his ability for the night. (Secrets) If Big Daddy (Bouncer) dies, Creeper stops blocking every night, instead blocking every odd night, and tries to kill a player every even night. However, it has only a 60% success rate of killing its target. Additionally, once in the game at any time, Creeper may explode, killing himself, as well as having a 25% chance of killing four other players. He may not select which players, however, as they will be each of the two players alphabetically above and below him among those currently alive on the player list.

I believe this description means that creeper may at any time *choose* to explode, and I don't think he would at this point, since it would kill him.

Yes,agreed i think it reads a choice. Seeing that his chance is only 25% makes me less concerned. If they were 4 kills with higher success, it would a great way to take more control of lynches towards the end. The alphabet thing is interesting. Would hope teamies aren't all B for Baddie for example.

Agree with Lizzy re Creeper. With the teams merging it seems like a good strategy to wipe out playerstowards the end.

As for the list SVS asked about Timmer is the only one I trust. The others I have no great read on, but really want to look back at Mongoose if I get the time.

Wow just doing a quick skim. i was definitely pegging bea as Meat Boy so this throws me for a loop. Dnt have much time now, but will have to look at roles again. BB was def an option, but because of the hnts that it was a significant civ role that made me think of MB as well.

It bea rhink she was being subtle and a ton of us thought Meat Boy, then anyone else have A better idea based on the new info?

Flyin' High wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:If that's true bwt, then Bea warrants a reread.

Word. But I dont understand how that would be possible given the suicide and the BdH defense. Something isnt adding up...

Linki so do we think bdh really is thomas? Or cathy?

Since he was mod-killed and not lynched, I doubt he'd have gotten to choose a role to appear as if he was Catherine Martell. I was attributing BDH's intense defense of bea to the same way that Epi always goes to bat for Elohcin.

I just wasnt sure if that what SvS and Dh were getting st or more that bea was trying to turn it into DH suspicion. I didnt think it would make sense for BDH to do this big personal reveal if he and bea were teamies, but want to understand what other mean. I had bea firmly in the civ camp, so this will be an interesting lynch if bwt is right.

DharmaHelper wrote:If that's true bwt, then Bea warrants a reread.

Word. But I dont understand how that would be possible given the suicide and the BdH defense. Something isnt adding up...

Linki so do we think bdh really is thomas? Or cathy?

wow, i completely didnt realize how early this poll ended.

Lizzy, I dont know DH is civ, but he is certainly giving his all for it, and yes those he insisted were no good, were indies killers, so not technically baddies, but they werent going to win with us either. You defended Llama immensely, and yet he was not a civ and couldnt win with us.

When have you ever suspected me of being bad and been right? It's getting to be a bit like Llama calling me out every single game. It's fitting for the championships its true. I have been thinking on why that is and I think its becasue you are inherently suspicious of those seeming too "civv." Hence me, DH, and possibly Mongoose (although I myself have little worries there this time). Is this the case? Are our games just too civ? I apologize if you didnt like my VAL vote reasoning, but considering who AP turned out to be wouldnt you think it unlikely that I would draw so much attention and say I was going to vote for him or Vomps if I were also a Mani/Pedi? I also did not vote to resurrect Kate who we also suspect at this point is a VG Villian. This isnt proof by any means, but I think it certainly shouldnt be ignored either if you're going to keep saying I am bad with no case, but listing my voting record.

Also, all talk of the minion has ceased and then has been no minion kill right? I am going to stick with Bea's susps on bwt and possible minion connections. I will wait to discuss things more openly with Mongoose tomorrow, but reading through polls her votes dont sit well with me and I think she is a VG Villian.

*Votes BWT*

Lizzy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Alex <3

Hosting is a ton of work, and the host does it for no reward other than to see his players have fun. You don't own anyone anything.

Ture

I really hope MP doesnt own anyone either.

I havent thoroughly read the back and forth between juliets and Dh, but juliets I appreciate your responses. I think many of those points are not a strong against you. Half the game agreed Kate is a champion long-time player and it was sad she couldnt play longer, and voted to bring her back.

I think my issue is I never know if you are bad, so I keep thinking at some point you must be right?? I always have the same issue with Mongoose though and some of her earlier posts made me a bit quizzical if this was her civvie game.

I am curious though DH how certain do you feel on your suspicion aginst juliets?

Lizzy, same question about DH?

There is a very specific role that I have for either Timmer or DH, so I have quite a bit of trust invested in their opinions. I just dont know which one!

What are peoples thought in Devin vs. Bwt? It seems Devin has suspected BWt the whole game, but BwT does not find devin suspicious? These are two others I would like to read, but time is limited for me.

DharmaHelper wrote:I am for sure starting to eye the more quiet players, BF included.l I think it would be far to easy this late in the game for baddies to be quiet and let the civvies eat each alive. I'm typically very skeptical of a persons civvieness if I can't recall a post of theirs I've read in a while, and BF fits that bill.

I think rereading him with an eye to his suspicions is good. I have not played with bf before, so I have given him the botd I guess you could say not knowing his usual style. Does he have a usual playstyle?

What I do remember are his earlier suspicions of both Llama and Nev. Nothing I would fault him for over that, but I would say he is slipping into blendy territory for me now.

I have to say that Mongoose has been bouncing back and forth in my brain and another I need to reread. I am starting to get the feeling that her enthusiasm for baddie hunting is not her usual, but that's just an impression and I will wait on till she can properly respond.

Ok just checked and nowhere is Rumps mentioned. So if by chance he had been killed, then both baddie team only having 2 each would make sense for them to join together. However, since the tie vote with Vomps and Bea, no one has died whose role we didn't know, so the only explanation for the tie I can see is due to Rumps.

Cohen being part of the mix, makes me think he must be someone we voted for, because if not why would he be invited to the party. Or I am reading way to into it..

Linki I think it was Juliet's use of "specific" that Nev analyzed.