The Syndicate

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Which is why my case on her fell on stony ground. She wasn't even phased by my continuous accusations. And neither was MP. In fact he came out all aggresive offense. Remember my scenario post after you came back? Did that not shake you just a bit alex?

It did cause me to panic a bit, but I figured the best way to combat it was an all-out aggressive offense against it, to prove that it was baseless. Seems that it worked.

If you and Bass had gotten Hedge lynched immediately, that also could have changed some things.

I was thinking of Nking Hedge at the end. But my only chance of a win was a hope of being recruited. If Hedge died, after Dom i was undoubtably the next lynch.

Funny story, the recruit would have passed down.

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:LC - I thought you were playing a really good game. I was going to target you N3 for it, but couldn't bring myself to do it.

I appreciate that!

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, I agree you played an awesome game as 1.0 and 2.0. Honestly, I think if you remove the recruiting element completely from the game, civvies would have very likely had a win here.

No doubt about it! We just needed to take out Hedge early and it was unquestionably the Civvies' game.

I have to learn from this game to inform my baddie game, clearly being a little quieter makes a world of difference. Maybe I should miss the first couple of days of every game I play, and spend the next couple 'catching up'.

I seem to remember you getting called out for being quiet early on as well while we were still playing Monty python. Trying to save our sinking baddie ship in Clue took up a lot of my early time as well. I honestly had no idea I was suspected so much, but recruiting Roxy seemed necessary, because she was never going to let it go. at that point we didnt have to do anything because the thread was taking the daleks down. The Cybers had blocked Roxy the night the daleks targeted BR, so we knew she'd been blocked and it was just a matter of time, before they came for her.

I didn't see it listed, but what night did you role check me Cybers? That's basically how we knew who some of you were, because bass and snow were sure I was bad.

Without this role I think the civs would have had a chance, but the Master was a worthy adversary plus having MM who would inherit the kill, would have brought the game down in numbers as well.

I had a blast in btsc with my teammates and loved our intense plotting and scheming. We had excel charts that changed every day for all kinds of scenarios for end game. It was a very fun group of people to be bad with and I loved our hodge podge gang of Dalek, Cybers, Strax, Wilfred, Martha, and the Doctor.

Linki keys is also my new favorite person. Just sayin'.

Ah I had forgotten that BR's statement was what convinced us. How cruel it was have used Dom to kill her then.

I owe a big thank you to Chris actually for my continued survival. His conviction that I was not the recruiter because I voted last for MM and secured his lynch really helped. I would say that after the way Chris completely fooled me as the serial killer in SFU and toyed with me all game that we are even. Mm being rezzed and pretending he was recruited continued the charade. We saw no reason to enlighten anyone either.

I spent three days playing a computer in chess trying to get a better "losing" result than MP. Turned out he didnt have time to play anyway, but I finally beat the game with 20 minutes to spare. It was a well earned recruitment of the Doctor.

Big thank you to Bea and BWT for this awesome and amazing game! I loved the game, my role, and my teammates. I am sorry it is over because I will miss btsc with such an awesome group.

I was incredibly lucky with my first recruits and that really set-us up well from the beginning. I was so sorry to lose Roxy so early, she was a huge help in the beginning plotting and getting us to the win. She pinpointed so many things accurately in this game and I was so lucky to have her suspect me.

The TH lynch was a result of last minute thinking that he was the Master, and we used zeeks lynch switch prize. We were so bummed when he flipped civ. Simce we knew MM wasn't our recruit, we were able to look at Epi voters and narrow down who might be the Master. TH had missed the vote, but that led us to redirect Dom's action to BR. It was another stroke of luck, which is how we found him out, but we spent days trying to figure out how to take him out or recruit, since he had played such a brilliant game and no one suspected him.

I have more thoughts, but back later.

Linki I answered that here

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was going to wait until after the end of the game to comment similarly, but seriously, Dom. Hats off to you. I don't know how you avoided serious suspicion for so long, and you really only got nailed by process of elimination.

I'll be glad to have your role gone, but your playing this game was outstanding.

And on that note, I think we're getting close to a civvie win. Just need to get rid of the Cybers after this, I think.

Thank you MP, we can talk more in the post game. But I truly tried my best this game.

I think you are right about that, tbh

MM also wasn't recruited by the recruiter. So, yeah Chris, you were wrong all along.

I would really agree with this. You played a great game and I am sorry to see you go.

Looking forward to all the endgame discussion. This is such an amazing game!

Oh whoops, then technically I missed the poll. I was just thinking from the end time and forgot it was delayed.

Well, it didnt need my help, but voted Dom.

So sorry you are frustrated Dom!

Long Con wrote:Maybe the Cybers really believed in the theory that Zeek was the Recruiter, and wanted that huge unknown factor diminished so that they can have a chance to win?

RIP keys and zeek!

I would agree LC. That is the only thing I can think of that would make sense in NKing zeek for the Cybers. If Dom is the Master though I really can't see him targeting zeek for revenge. it just doesn't seem like Dom's style to me.

keys56000000000 wrote:Well, no answer from the hosts as yet on whether it was a tie or not, but pretty much exactly the same people voted Dom as did MM, so no new information can be gleaned one way or another. Epignosis, Juliets, DFaraday, Snow Dog and Hedgeowl, all potential Cyberheads.

How am I a potential Cyber head? Did I not also help lynch Bass?

Good night sweet Bea!



Oh and also don't forget to check your pants before you stand up.

zeek wrote:

Chris wrote:

zeek wrote:

Chris wrote:LC, what if zeek knew who Dom was because he's "the recruiter"?

Except I've been dead half the game.

And?

Lynch me then, you'll be absolutely mortified when you find out who I am.

This sounds familiar....

Dom wrote:
I will say that you will hate the result of my lynch. I am not the Master. I am not a Cyber. I am not recruited. You will not like my lynch.

Chris wrote:

Dom wrote:Welp, I'm gonna be honest with you all-- it's gonna look a lot like me being the Master-- and this is why I didn't want to be lynched.

But, alas, I am not.

There's nothing to suggest any civ can survive a lynch.

How are you going to explain surviving?

^whs.

Did you get a prize?

Alright, I feel fairly sure that DF is not the master, so I will vote Dom seeing as he is still a question.

Votes Dom

Linki

keys56000000000 wrote:I've got nothing on Hedgeowl. She appears to be a great civvie, completely clean. Looking for a case against her in her posts is like looking up at a smooth glass building and wondering how to climb it barehanded. If you're bad, Hedgeowl, bravo! You are an adversary of refreshingly high calibre.

I'm going to change my vote, but to whom?

Well, glad to have your questions answered.

Dom wrote:I'll check in tomorrow. I must get back to work and sleep.



However, on the subject of role hinting--

I really hate it. I really, really hate it. I just really hate it. Always have. Always will. There has been an absurd amount of role hinting and outing in this game and, to be honest, for those who either don't get it immediately or do not feel comfortable (and for baddies who can't really role hint) it kind of ruins the game. I don't care if this is construed to be a baddie whining (It's not, but I discussed this with my team in a previous game... the last LOST game on RM), but it's honestly not fun to me. It completely demoralizes a large group of players and it really isn't fun. In that LOST game, my team only lost because some players were essentially forcing people to role hint and out themselves and if they didn't, they were lynched.
How fun is that?
Not very.
So, no, I will not role hint. I will not do that. I will not do what I am completely against.

I will say that you will hate the result of my lynch. I am not the Master. I am not a Cyber. I am not recruited. You will not like my lynch.

I remember that all too well and completely understand. I think based on the role of the Doctor and his searching for companions that is almost impossible to prevent. It is quite like Aapje's circle of trust you are right, until we took him out ( ). I agree with your view on role hints and apologize for my role in this as well. It didnt affect me really this game and I honestly didnt think about it as many others didnt either. I applaud your choice though.

Epignosis wrote:Where were you on the night of January 16th, 2014?

at home. The same place I've been every night...

keys56000000000 wrote:Fair enough. Well, I'm still intent on a Hedge lynch. I guess I should pull my finger out and make an actual case. *sigh*

Like a real life case for me? I'll be waiting to answer any questions you have.

keys56000000000 wrote:Chris, Juliets says you defended Hedgeowl, is that true? Why didn't you list her as a possible The Master?

Snow Dog - MP supports Hedge but hasn't vouched for her.

I'm comfortable with my vote for Hedgeowl. Y'know how some people, when accused of lying, can't help but smile, even laugh? Like they just can't contain how funny it all is? That's what I get from Hedgeowl. Like she's over there smirking, giggling, enjoying fooling us.

Who accused me of lying?

Smirking and giggling don't really seem to work together. Maybe smiggling, or girking?

This is me smiggling then.



Linki orly Chris?

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Long Con wrote:Black Rock was also killed by The Master very soon after stating that she thinks Dom is The Master, but has no proof.

Thought that might factor in.

I do not remember that post from her. It would seem weird for Dom to kill her if that were the case though...

I'm curious, Hedge, what do you mean by "weird"?

Weird, odd, strange, obvious, peculiar.

I just mean, do you think it is something I wouldn't do?

Ah, ok. I actually am not sure, but I am wondering whether you would or not.

Chris wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Long Con wrote:Black Rock was also killed by The Master very soon after stating that she thinks Dom is The Master, but has no proof.

Thought that might factor in.

I do not remember that post from her. It would seem weird for Dom to kill her if that were the case though...

I'm curious, Hedge, what do you mean by "weird"?

Weird, odd, strange, obvious, peculiar.

I'm curious Hedge, what do you mean by odd, strange, obvious, peculiar?



Just kidding.

I always felt that people who automatically discount a kill because it would be obvious are missing the beauty of hiding in plain site.

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Long Con wrote:Black Rock was also killed by The Master very soon after stating that she thinks Dom is The Master, but has no proof.

Thought that might factor in.

I do not remember that post from her. It would seem weird for Dom to kill her if that were the case though...

I'm curious, Hedge, what do you mean by "weird"?

Weird, odd, strange, obvious, peculiar.

Long Con wrote:Black Rock was also killed by The Master very soon after stating that she thinks Dom is The Master, but has no proof.

Thought that might factor in.

I do not remember that post from her. It would seem weird for Dom to kill her if that were the case though...

Long Con wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:He's not gonna tell you.

Is that a strategy I don't know yet?

Not really the way to get votes. Why can't Epig be The Master?

Idk, why can't Epi be the Master?

Linki

S~V~S wrote:He's not gonna tell you.

Is that a strategy I don't know yet?

Snow Dog wrote:Look Hedge, sweet Hedge. Just recruit me too so I can win as well!!!

keys56000000000 wrote:I might have ragequitted a little back there, my apologies.


I think I might give DF a bye for his role hint. No one has come forth to contest it, so unless he knows whom The Odd was, or is gambling that he knows whom The Odd was (I certainly don't recall anyone else hinting at it, but I'm not a show-watcher), he might very well be The Odd.

Any thoughts on Hedgeowl and Gotrees? I'm curious to know if anyone can vouch for Dom. I'm considering a Hedgeowl vote.

It's the Ood. Sounds like, what is that yellow pus exuuuding from your leg?

Also, I really appreciate your support this election season. Thanks for that vote of confidence.

Linki bsg

No idea if SVS is recruited, but she pretty clearly is a role MP knows and she has hinted herself, so I don't get this new idea about her.

DF - oh man I love your posts right now. Well played sir, well played. I am putting you in my, likely civ category, but the devil is in the details, so we will see.

Snow Dog wrote:

zeek wrote:

zeek wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Kind of I guess. But not as certain as I am of Hedge and now i am getting convinced of DF.

Zeek! You are one of the ones I trust...am i wrong too?

What makes you more sure of those two, over Bass?

I'm glad you trust me but I feel like if I disagree with you you'll say I've been recruited as well. I haven't, I'm the same old loveable zeek.

nty

I have played with Hedge plentyi of times so i know her but the clincher for me was...she hadn't mentioned me as suspicious all game then suddenly its "Snow DOg" . just felt forced to me. Thev right thing to say..whatever. It pinged the hell out of me. she is bad. I hate this keyboard

DF. Ok not certain of him at all but he seems to fit the bill and the Mast is a prority. The cases on him seem sound. it appeals. seems right.

Bass. i havev read his posts and i don't see it. He could be bad and if he's lynched I hope you are right. Not my top prority though But i hardly know him so maybe i am not seeing the case. think I pkayed with hi once on another site.

I am trying to catch-up and this is something I wanted to make sure I responded to. I have in fact mentioned you multiple times Snow. That was not the first time by any means, so you must have just missed it. It might be worth it reading through my posts again.

Chris, you were influential in the lynch on Sabie, the case on Bass, but keep going with ideas and sometimes people will disagree with you. That should be expected. It's definitely not personal and I think you have come up with some valuable ideas.

I think the math you and LC started is great and should continue, but as LC said, he was just getting started and people can keep building on that. No need to knock it down.

In light of this lynch with no result, it definitely looks like Bass has some high value. I think it makes the most sense that he is Cyber, rather than the Master.

i am still sick and having a hard time focusing on reading these long texts, I hope to be back up and running tomorrow or the next day. Sorry for the lack of focus.

Alright, I think I understand everything going on currently and while I applaud others finally showing some attention to DF, I am going to stick with my Bass vote after that lynch switch. There's a chance he could be the controller and therefore not NK'd. If DF is likely the master, then I think I will let the kills next Night target him since that might be more effective. He has already been the target of Strax once and the Cybers and Strax could easily take him out tonight if that were the case.

Linki lol Chris, I hear ya.

Linki Epi I think your first statement works sometimes too.

bwt and Bea, you have done an amazing job with this game. Thank you for all your hard work on such an awesome theme.

Also guys, I have a fever today, so won't be around much except to check in as needed.


All I can say Bass is that you are wrong about me. You didnt give me much to work with either in defense, since you feel I am bad, but haven't presented any evidence. I tend to prefer vote analyzing though when possible and you, Snow, and DF are those that crick my brow as sabies teammes currently. After the last lynch and switch I see no reason to wait either. I am interested in looking at DF again and Snow, but for today Bass it is.

Voting Bass

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Chris wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

So my conclusion that the recruiter wouldn't want to lynch Hedgie because they want to recruit her is a "downright ignorant conclusion"?

That's a pretty strong statement keys.

Why is it that every single theory I put out, you refute? Quite aggressively I might add?



LINKI @ MM: But why even put a vote on him like that? Jesus, if it's a warning vote, 30 minutes before the poll ends, for a guy who hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours, how is he going to see it when the poll goes away at the end of every lynch.

"Oh yeah, by the way TH, MP voted for you"

It just doesn't add up.

Actually, that's the EXACT reason I'll bet MP put a vote on him. If TH hasn't been on much, and popped in to see the lynch tally, he'll see 2 votes on himself. That will make him realize "Oh shit, I probably have to address something". Otherwise, TH might not notice that we've been talking about him if he had just skimmed through.

I did the same thing to zeek on Day 2 I think.

Linki: well we could always try lynching him for proof. He'll come back anyway right? I knuow you'll love this idea...

I completely agree. This happens all the time. People often vote for someone else if its obvious who is getting lynched.

Chris, do you remember in SFU when lorab was lynched with one vote, because the baddies ended the day early and used a switch? They did it at the time to make it look like I was lying about my role. There are always crazy game mechanics at play is what I mean and speculation only takes us so far.

Linki no problem, i was confused catching up until i checked the poll.

Chris wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

So my conclusion that the recruiter wouldn't want to lynch Hedgie because they want to recruit her is a "downright ignorant conclusion"?

That's a pretty strong statement keys.

Why is it that every single theory I put out, you refute? Quite aggressively I might add?



LINKI @ MM: But why even put a vote on him like that? Jesus, if it's a warning vote, 30 minutes before the poll ends, for a guy who hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours, how is he going to see it when the poll goes away at the end of every lynch.

"Oh yeah, by the way TH, MP voted for you"

It just doesn't add up.

Actually the point that seems to have been overlooked is that I didnt have any votes. I was the lone vote on Dfaraday.

Discuss

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

zeek wrote:This is all nonsense. We can put out scenarios till the cows come home but its all a lot of conjecture. I put a sole vote on Dom earlier in the game, if the switch had happened then I'd be in the same situation as MP and SD.

Why has nobody considered that this switch could have been a prize? I never heard back from the hosts about the poetry contest.

I made a submission, but I didn't win. I was under the impression somebody won though.

I didnt win either. ya'll are still chatty at night, geez. I have pages to catch up on. Slow the frick down already.

Ok, I am missing something? Couldn't it have been anyone who switched the lynch? If the save was for Bass, it doesn't have to be Snow does it? Although it is looking more and more like they are possible teammies. I think a repeat of today's lynch seems like the best strategy though first.

Turnip Head wrote:

juliets wrote:...and that's terrible. Buggers certainly delusory. RIP verticity 2.0. I Lost Rabbi have any ideas about Miro switched the tillage jaundiced you would think it vlei be bass or Novinha ...and that's terrible.

Thank you for the kind words juliets

You had a lot of fun with this role. Well played sir. I wish you were still here to insanify a few other players. Shh, don't tell them I said that.

Linki aww next time!

Epignosis wrote:I wish Chris had a B in his name.

B is for Baddie?

What? Aww man. RIP TH!

Snow Dog wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok, I could pretend I read the last several pages in depth, but it's true I skimmed. My head wants to explode from being stuffy and sick.

Is there anything urgent I really need to know or can I just leave my vote?

Who have you recruited?

No one.

That wasn't really answering my question though.

Linki aww keys am I that lonely owl in the corner at this party?

Ok, I could pretend I read the last several pages in depth, but it's true I skimmed. My head wants to explode from being stuffy and sick.

Is there anything urgent I really need to know or can I just leave my vote?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Chris wrote:So Bass.

You think Hedgie gave the player she recruited, the vote that got him lynched?

Only if Hedgie is not civvie aligned. That would be a baddie move IF she is the recruiter.

I don't understand why even a baddie Hedge would kill her own ally.

Civvie credibility of course. Sacrifice a teammate (who's under suspicion anyway), to clear your name from the suspish lists.

Yep, I did it all for the civ cred.

I don't understand this strategy at all. We know you were recruited, and now you are saying yes this person here recruited me and then lynched me for the civ cred? Is that right? It feels like you are essentially proving I am not on the recruited team, which again doesn't make any sense to me.

In this quote pyramid, I posted a BIG capitalize IF, which means I'm being hypothetical.

I think y'all are just taking everything stated as fact (not just from me).

This would be a very different game if everyone took theories as stated fact. I won't name names, but some people change their mind every post. Do you mean specific theories or just in general?

I am voting DF again for now. As keys rightly noted, there is the chance that he is the cyber controller, and he also voted 2nd to last for Sabie. He's playing a very quiet careful game so far and I think he might be cyber.

I will be looking again at DF, snow, and possibly bass as possible Cybers for today's vote. I think it unlikely that Epi is cyber at this point.

i am sick right now, so I will be checking in, but maybe not as sharp as some have come to expect.

Linki I know LC. It's either the stupidest or smartest strategy ever.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Chris wrote:So Bass.

You think Hedgie gave the player she recruited, the vote that got him lynched?

Only if Hedgie is not civvie aligned. That would be a baddie move IF she is the recruiter.

I don't understand why even a baddie Hedge would kill her own ally.

Civvie credibility of course. Sacrifice a teammate (who's under suspicion anyway), to clear your name from the suspish lists.

Yep, I did it all for the civ cred.

I don't understand this strategy at all. We know you were recruited, and now you are saying yes this person here recruited me and then lynched me for the civ cred? Is that right? It feels like you are essentially proving I am not on the recruited team, which again doesn't make any sense to me.

Turnip Head wrote:Keys I see you've got your vote on Hedgie atm, what're your thoughts there?

Thanks TH. I hadnt even noticed. So keys, did i miss your vote post?

Actually thats a good point Chris. I hadnt paid enough attention to the lynch part. I just assumed thats how he came back.

Linki it was Mata who nabbed you from Nev, but she still lost. That was a most epic win for Devin and Daisy too. If i knew then what i do now i would have started a separate chat immediately. Lol. It was one of my favorite btsc games ever though that was the saddest part.

He hasn't exactly been subtle about it. Did you read the Doctors revealed secrets Chris?

keys56000000000 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Keys, did you see my previous post in response to you?

Yeah, you make a good case for your innocence, you say all the right things. I'm new here, but I think you are extremely sharp. Slick play is exactly what I'd expect, so you can see my dilemma.

Flattery will get you everywhere. I am going to need to save that quote for later, when I have my ueber derpy moments.

I actually didnt mean just me there, but the thoughts i had as well on those voters who didnt vote for Sabie. I agree now that DF doesn't look any better surviving, but I definitely think the odds of Cybermen being amongst her non-voters is high. I will be looking at DF still, but also Snow and others.

Linki well ok then

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Sheeeit.

Well, I think DF is head Cyberjerk, so I've voted.

We're you even paying attention?

There is little chance that is who DF is.

Linki what a surprise!

Hedge, can you tell me why it's so obvious DF isn't a Cyberman?
Can you also tell me what you mean by your winking face?

DF was targeted by Strax, so I had a brain blip thinking he had to be civ. of course, he could also be cyber head, just not other Cybers.
I thought your post about Chris was sarcastic.

It was to an extent... I just think it's very fishy when people are SO SURE they will die in the night and then don't.

Agreed. I know one way it's possible...

Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target. This is up to and including kill attempts.

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Sheeeit.

Well, I think DF is head Cyberjerk, so I've voted.

We're you even paying attention?

There is little chance that is who DF is.

Linki what a surprise!

Hedge, can you tell me why it's so obvious DF isn't a Cyberman?
Can you also tell me what you mean by your winking face?

DF was targeted by Strax, so I had a brain blip thinking he had to be civ. of course, he could also be cyber head, just not other Cybers.
I thought your post about Chris was sarcastic.

keys56000000000 wrote:Sheeeit.

Well, I think DF is head Cyberjerk, so I've voted.

We're you even paying attention?

There is little chance that is who DF is.

Linki what a surprise!

Wow, you leave the thread for an hour and come back to dog balls...