The Syndicate

Hedgeowl wrote:Stephen King was interviewed on NPR this morning about his sequel to the shining, Doctor Sleep. Danny as a grown-up recovering Alcoholic.

"In a way, being scared is like sex. There's nothing like your first time. "

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/24/223105565 ... first-time

I got it today! Has anyone read it yet? If so, let's resurrect our book club thread!

thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Kate wrote:Great game llama! I was pretty sure I couldn't win after king died so early but I gave it the old college try!

So what exactly could you do every day?
Yeah, Kate. That was bad luck for you. Sorry.

Mongoose, Kate was the other one insanifying people. If you two had ended up on the same team, you could have been really efficient at it.

Well poop on a stick. I had just as much fun not winning though!

Kate wrote:Great game llama! I was pretty sure I couldn't win after king died so early but I gave it the old college try!

So what exactly could you do every day?

Excellent work, llama lo!

Hedgeowl wrote:I finally get to vote for Hawaii! No coats needed! ...in other news Snow Dog was strangely and oddly NK'd at the end of the game... Some suspected a Mod-kill

Wait, in this game Snowy was legit NK'd? You lost me a bit, but maybe it's just the caffeine not reaching my brain yet.

Yes, I am going to vote. Currently in a monsoon! It only rains on days I flat iron my hair.

Anyway, I think Kate may have been onto so?ething with her twin analysis the other day, so I am going to vote for my very dear Hedgie. And I'm so sorry if you aren't!

Ohhh okay, upon reading it I see what you mean.

But if Mrs. Torrance had blocked Lloyd from serving then Snow Dog wouldn't have been served. Something else is going on here.

Kate, we haven't heard from you lately -- do you have any theories on the twin situation?

So, who do we think the other twin could be?

EBWOP: I think initially

Could this be the hotel itself changing shape? I wonder if it knew it was helping me or not. And if so, why would the hotel want to help ME?

Wow, here's the scoop. I initially a drink was attempted a serve on me because it said the hedge maze changed shape and it prevented the bartender from reaching me! So it does seem like he tried to serve me. If this was another player's doing, thanks for keeping me sane! A sane mongoose is a happy mongoose.

Answer #1 does not warn of the danger enough, and an answer like #3 just piques curiosity.

Going with the most accurate and non-evasive answer.

Sweet mother of pearl, I am so relieved to be right!

Vomps, I'll always miss ya, you did a great job til the very end.

Snow Dog wrote:
Mongoose wrote:We can spread the vote out like Snow Dog said and then maybe the hotel will see we are a united front. Let's take back our power!

And we should all probably never be in a lifeboat together.
Too late for that, Vomps has two votes. I hope he isn't the one.

We'll crap on a cannonball. I didn't think anyone would believe my hunch.

But yeah, that's mostly what it is. And I will feel so badly if I'm wrong, but he's seemed a little different lately. Basically, what I've been thinking but not articulating is that I've wondered if he was subtly trying to ingratiate himself with all/many of us in order to avoid detection.

And I think he might have a cohort. You might even say doppelganger.

linki- overload

We can spread the vote out like Snow Dog said and then maybe the hotel will see we are a united front. Let's take back our power!

And we should all probably never be in a lifeboat together.

Voting Vompers, as I think he has BTSC with someone. That's why I asked him earlier about his views on pacifism. I thought his answer sounded mightily canned. I am not sure I have a good candidate for who that might be, but I have like 8 suspects.

No, it's not a brilliant reason, but it's the best I've got right now.

Linki - Hedge Sorry! I had this typed up and then people started bothering me at work.

Linki- Snowy - I was thinking something similar.

How about we just all count to three and just vote. We can all hold hands and jump into the swimming pool at the same time.

Vompatti wrote:I'm currently under the impression that someone has been posting false hints about their role and that someone is either Bullz or Mongoose.

Everything is up in the air now it seems.

Sometimes who you thought was your ally was really your adversary the whole time. The whole "keep your enemies closer" strategy.

I think it would be a great tactic to get players to infer you are an ultra-good character early in the game so they will trust you and not suspect you, and you are gaining useful information the whole time. It is quite insidiously crafty!

I am going to be heartbroken if we kill off another good character. I don't want to lose Mrs. Torrance. I think I would lose a piece of myself.

Vompatti wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Kate wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Are you suggesting it's Hedgeowl and Mongoose then? I'm not getting baddie vibes from either. I wish we didn't have to lynch anyone.
I'm not suggesting its anyone, I'm just saying its not me.
It has to be someone though.
It does indeed. No offense, I think you are great, but why not you rather than me?
I think I would know if it was me. Therefore it must be someone else . . .

You've not said anything about being served a drink -- are you too busy giving away and spilling drinks to have been served a drink?

Vompatti wrote:
Kate wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Are you suggesting it's Hedgeowl and Mongoose then? I'm not getting baddie vibes from either. I wish we didn't have to lynch anyone.
I'm not suggesting its anyone, I'm just saying its not me.
It has to be someone though.

It does indeed. No offense, I think you are great, but why not you rather than me?

Snow Dog wrote:I don't know what to do. No vote equals random lynch I'm guessing. Or does it? Llama was deliberately unclear. Worth the gamble everyone?

I think llama's retaliation for a no-vote would be swift and painful. I'm really scared to miss it. He might just mod-kill us all since we are so close to Night 6 anyway.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Kate wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Are you suggesting it's Hedgeowl and Mongoose then? I'm not getting baddie vibes from either. I wish we didn't have to lynch anyone.
I'm not suggesting its anyone, I'm just saying its not me.
It has to be someone though.
You are correct, we all have to be some role, but I am not a twin. I can't speak for Mongoose. I think at this point its hard to define baddie. There are no more NKs, therefore I think it more accurate to say that we each have our individual baddies. Meaning those who prevent our win condition.

While my win condition does not require anyone's death, I had forgotten about the lack of Night power if we dont vote. For this reason I am going to have to vote today, but I've been doing some rereading to help figure out who.

Have others received drinks by now? Is this a nightly thing?

I've received one drink at this point. I think it was during Night 3.

I am definitely not a twin. Twins are crazy. If I had gotten a twin role, I would insist my twin engage in an honor killing.

Vomp, I'm sorry about the rug. I'm sure it really tied the room together.

That said, how do you feel about in-game pacifism?

thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote: I know you like Philip Glass, but what did you think of his Akhnaten opera?

I love Verdi, but I don't love his Joan of Arc opera.

And what about Mitriade, K87 by Mozart? The crazy string of neverending arias.
I generally like Glass' instrumental works better than his vocal ones (except when the voices just go lalalalala or sing solfege or something) but Akhnaten is okay. It's a little long and tedious, but it has its moments. It's probably better to see it than to just listen to a CD. I much prefer Einstein on the Beach or The Photographer though. I haven't heard the Mozart opera you mention, so I can't comment.

I've been hearing a lot lately about the resurrection of Benjamin Britten's disastrous opera Giovanna.

thellama73 wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Cozy fan tutte
I am also curious about this. Were you trying to imply something about the opera? Is it in the movie or book? Or is this Snow going cray cray? Since Mongoose's backwards writing we haven't had any weird public actions. Maybe that was a power of Jacks?
As much as I love Mozart, that opera is terrible. I do like the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosey_Fanni_Tutti from Throbbing Gristle though.

I know you like Philip Glass, but what did you think of his Akhnaten opera?

I love Verdi, but I don't love his Joan of Arc opera.

And what about Mitriade, K87 by Mozart? The crazy string of neverending arias.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Mongoose wrote:These are the characters that have been offed:

* Jack Torrance
* Stanley Kubrick
* Stephen King
* Dick Halloran
* Delbert Grady

I was looking at the Players List on Page 1, and noticed that no one has been NK'd since N1.

There are several scenarios for this, and more than one of these is probably occurring.

1) Until Nev died (during the Day 3 vote), he was very effective at protecting various players.
2) Wendy, who is still alive, is doing a rather awesome job of role blocking a murderer.
3) All the "murderers" have died off already
4) There were PMs missing from various players on N3 and N4. Those PMs could have come from a player who has a murdery ability.

In summation: do we think any of the remaining characters have the ability to kill off characters at night? Or: are defensive players just playing very smartly.
Hmm, these are really good questions. I had just assumed that when King was lynched that was why the killing stopped. Now I think many of us also thought that someone else might start killing as roles could have shifted. However, your points about role blocking etc. are worth noting. I think the chance of Nev and Wendy doing a combined role block, would require some pretty awesome luck. Not to say it isn't possible. Of your scenarios I am inclined to say 3, but we still don't know what Lloyd and the twins are up to. I think they are the last mentioned as potential "baddies." Of course after MP's lynch no one is going to admit if their win condition affects others lives.

Snow Dog wrote:Cozy fan tutte
I am also curious about this. Were you trying to imply something about the opera? Is it in the movie or book? Or is this Snow going cray cray? Since Mongoose's backwards writing we haven't had any weird public actions. Maybe that was a power of Jacks?

Linki - Word.

I definitely think that was Jack. And I bet Epi would have fun in that role!

If Dick protected Potential Victim A on Night 2, then Wendy (who had blocked Random Person 1 on N2), could have still blocked the killer on N3 without double targeting. The real killer wouldn't have been blocked on Night 2, but his/her action still would not have gone through because of Dick's Protection on N2. <---- Is my logic flawed on this? Did I miss something?

I'm not positive we still have a killer out there either, but I think we should keep it in our minds this last in the game.

In other news, we haven't really talked much about the twins lately. I don't think they are killers, but I wonder what their goals are - what is their mission?

These are the characters that have been offed:

* Jack Torrance
* Stanley Kubrick
* Stephen King
* Dick Halloran
* Delbert Grady

I was looking at the Players List on Page 1, and noticed that no one has been NK'd since N1.

There are several scenarios for this, and more than one of these is probably occurring.

1) Until Nev died (during the Day 3 vote), he was very effective at protecting various players.
2) Wendy, who is still alive, is doing a rather awesome job of role blocking a murderer.
3) All the "murderers" have died off already
4) There were PMs missing from various players on N3 and N4. Those PMs could have come from a player who has a murdery ability.

In summation: do we think any of the remaining characters have the ability to kill off characters at night? Or: are defensive players just playing very smartly.

Vompatti wrote:I poured baking soda on it, I hope that won't damage it. Rugs are very expensive in Finalnd.

I make a paste out of vinegar (white distilled or even apple cider) and baking soda. It will clean anything for cheap. Since your rug is expensive, I'd just try a test patch underneath to make sure it doesn't stain.

Speaking of haunted hotels:

I stayed at a legit haunted B&B this weekend. I knew it was going to be, because it was haunted-ass haunted the last time I was there. This time, we booked a room next door to the haunted-ass room and it was completely not haunted.

The breakfast was delicious (three-potato hash, French toast casserole, yogurt parfaits and crazy frittata) and also not haunted.

Vompatti wrote:
I would assume that most ghosts are quite nice when you get to know them, but they might be confused and frustrated if they don't know that they're dead.

Don't go into the light, Carol Anne!

thellama73 wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:RIP MP. (Is this ok to say when they're "bad"?) Also, I am now realizing that first lynch of Epi really sucked for you both.
The hilarious thing is that Epi was role hinting like crazy and MP, failing to pick up on it, led the charge against him.

What a great result!

We've done quite well this game with weeding out the baddies! This is a very potent group of shrewd and astute players.

Kate wrote:I'm going to sleep in the kid's room. Kids rarely get killed in horror movies, so I'm going there.

I can't take the risk that a ghost child will appear at the foot of my bed in such close quarters!

I'm going to the servants quarters and show the servant ghosts that I don't think I am better than them. Then maybe they will leave me alone. I'll miss this high thread count in the proper hotel rooms though.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I'll be around most of today trying to "ferret out" any remaining baddies. I will try to have a "stoatly" reason for any accusations I agree with. I know my absence has made many of you quite despondent, so I will be quite active for the remainder of the show as I don't want you to think I am "weaseling" out of playing fairly. Let's just hope hedgeowl doesn't go out of "ermine" before she gives us some more of her trademark excellent analysis.

Cheers & Beers,
Mongoose
Hoo but Mongoose could have written such a Cardinal analysis? What a Lark! I can hardly Swallow, I am so choked up with emotion over your compliment. People will be Raven about this for a while. Now let's just hope after this lynch no one one has to eat Crow!

OMG I love it.

Good lord I caught up just in the nick of time. I've been interrupted a terrible amount at work today.

Yeah, his words were particularly damning. Something may be fishy.

*votes MP*

S~V~S wrote:Well, so far so good, no night kills

So I plan a totally defensive vote, if I am forced to vote at all. I will vote to save myself, or someone I feel good about that is possibly being railroaded. Since I need someone ELSE alive to win, and don't know who it is, I feel that my best chance lies in as many people being alive at the end as possible. Including myself :nod:

If we choose to lynch no one, and someone dies anyhow, I will rethink this.

This is how I am feeling now with 75 minutes remaining 100%.

Vompatti wrote:Doesn't the poll end in about 98 minutes?

It does, but I was too busy making mongoose-type puns.

I'll be around most of today trying to "ferret out" any remaining baddies. I will try to have a "stoatly" reason for any accusations I agree with. I know my absence has made many of you quite despondent, so I will be quite active for the remainder of the show as I don't want you to think I am "weaseling" out of playing fairly. Let's just hope hedgeowl doesn't go out of "ermine" before she gives us some more of her trademark excellent analysis.

Cheers & Beers,
Mongoose

Vompatti wrote:I'm confused. If MP still needs certain roles to be "gone" to win, why would he even consider not voting in the lynch?

Based on what has been said it seems to me that MP is the most obvious (although probably not the only) threat to anyone who needs to stay alive to win, and therefore I will probably for MP again unless something comes up.

I think I trust Snowy and Bullz if they are who I think they are.

I'm not getting a Gemini-type reading on those guys, Vomp. Is that what you are considering?

Hi guys, I'm back and catching up.

I was definitely served a drink on Night 3, so hopefully I don't act more incoherent and insane than normal!

I'll let you know who is pinging me after I digest all this backlog.

I am on a tiny phone. It's the size of the one Will Ferrell used in Zoolander or whatever. Also this B&B is prob haunted. But free k-cups! Stoked.

I saw a gator on the side of the road. Floriduuuuh.

Anyway, I caught up on this thread and must grievously announce my vote for Dev. Sorry hoss.

*Votes Nev 2013*

Hey dudes.

Just a quick heads up (I think I said this in the other forum but not in here) - I'm going to Gainesville Rock City for the weekend to celebrate my wedding anniversary (2nd) and my grandparents' wedding anniversary (59th), so I won't be around much. I don't intend to miss any polls though. Also, please don't come rob me; thanks!

S~V~S wrote:That could be, because in the story, Tony was not an actual corporeal person existing in the present.

You know what, I am totally getting the Tony 'character' mixed up with the Dick character.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Danny Torrance is his own role. They are listed separately.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, I perhaps lied with you on arguing about it... because that's such a ridiculous assertion. Anyway, NOW I've said what I wanted to on the topic. I would appreciate it if you considered the point of view and also give your current thoughts otherwise.

I'll stop posting for now. Lol.

Linki with SVS, thanks for your thoughts!

Linki with Mongoose, lol. Okay, sure. Well, once you have one person lynched, it can be easy to go back and look at votes or posts and make possible assertions regarding who might have had BTSC with that player. Sometimes they can be easier to catch onto than others, again, depending on the circumstances of the game itself (how the roles are set up, complex or straightforward), the progress of the game (what day are we on? the earlier on, the harder it might be to make solid conclusions), the nature of the lynch itself (the closer it was, the more likely the teammate might have avoided throwing the person under the bus), and on the players involved (some are more risky than others). All of that being said, it is easier sometimes in practice and definitively in theory when you have something concrete to work off of to find connections rather than just shooting in the dark. Since we currently don't know who either of the twins is and given the game is on Night 2, the lynches weren't exactly telling as to who the Grady twins might be so far (at least I don't think so, considering we weren't focused on them... unless Snow or someone else similar taking heat is one of them, but I mean more so just thread focus-wise -- we were focused on Stephen King), etc. I personally feel like if I had to throw out a name for either of the twins right now I would be shooting in the dark. I need to think on this some more and maybe do some reading.

One thing I do find notable is that S~V~S and Kate haven't said a word to each other about each other so far this game. What that means I have no idea, but it is kind of interesting. They both can read each other insanely well. I'm sure I could think of other such similar things, but I wouldn't say anything immediately comes to mind as SUSPICIOUS or notable in that sort of way. Just observations that don't really tell much currently. But we still have some more time.

Okay, now I'm out of here. Need to eat and do other things. Be around later.

Holy crap, linki with Nev and Bullz. LOL. Thanks for the explanation, Nev, I realize now you said that earlier as well. I am intrigued. Bullz, your two cents are appreciated as well.

I guess what I am scared about is that we suspect Person X or Person Y are the twins because we suspect BTSC, but what we are really picking up on is the BTSC rapport between Tony and the kid.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, I perhaps lied with you on arguing about it... because that's such a ridiculous assertion. Anyway, NOW I've said what I wanted to on the topic. I would appreciate it if you considered the point of view and also give your current thoughts otherwise.

I'll stop posting for now. Lol.

Linki with SVS, thanks for your thoughts!

Linki with Mongoose, lol. Okay, sure. Well, once you have one person lynched, it can be easy to go back and look at votes or posts and make possible assertions regarding who might have had BTSC with that player. Sometimes they can be easier to catch onto than others, again, depending on the circumstances of the game itself (how the roles are set up, complex or straightforward), the progress of the game (what day are we on? the earlier on, the harder it might be to make solid conclusions), the nature of the lynch itself (the closer it was, the more likely the teammate might have avoided throwing the person under the bus), and on the players involved (some are more risky than others). All of that being said, it is easier sometimes in practice and definitively in theory when you have something concrete to work off of to find connections rather than just shooting in the dark. Since we currently don't know who either of the twins is and given the game is on Night 2, the lynches weren't exactly telling as to who the Grady twins might be so far (at least I don't think so, considering we weren't focused on them... unless Snow or someone else similar taking heat is one of them, but I mean more so just thread focus-wise -- we were focused on Stephen King), etc. I personally feel like if I had to throw out a name for either of the twins right now I would be shooting in the dark. I need to think on this some more and maybe do some reading.

One thing I do find notable is that S~V~S and Kate haven't said a word to each other about each other so far this game. What that means I have no idea, but it is kind of interesting. They both can read each other insanely well. I'm sure I could think of other such similar things, but I wouldn't say anything immediately comes to mind as SUSPICIOUS or notable in that sort of way. Just observations that don't really tell much currently. But we still have some more time.

Okay, now I'm out of here. Need to eat and do other things. Be around later.

Holy crap, linki with Nev and Bullz. LOL. Thanks for the explanation, Nev, I realize now you said that earlier as well. I am intrigued. Bullz, your two cents are appreciated as well.

Thanks so much!

Hedgeowl: If you give a hoot, do you mind voicing your opinion on the twin shenanigans?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Let's ponder on this RE: the twins.

They have BTSC together -- who hasn't been talking directly to each other in the thread?

What might be a better point for suspicions is to figure out who has been exhibiting suspicious behavior and then perhaps make a connection thereafter. It's always easier to catch the other BTSCmate after one has been revealed... or so you would think (sometimes it doesn't quite work out that way).

Can you elucidate a bit on why it is often easier to catch the orphaned twin?

Let's ponder on this RE: the twins.

They have BTSC together -- who hasn't been talking directly to each other in the thread?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Nevinera wrote:
Incidentally, if we have to lynch somebody, I'd prefer that it was me.
Why?

Oh god noooo! No more vote mongering!

Also, please elucidate on why

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