The Syndicate

Yay Corps!

See? the MP list was accurate, it's just that we (I) got the wrong people from it (as per usual)

Hedgeowl wrote:really undertaker? Why be a hater when you can be a lover and rezz me?

Ture! and meeee! I promise not to hunt Hedgie down this time.

S~V~S wrote:Drinking is srs bsns, yes

turte hic

S~V~S wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Uhm... why am I still dead?

This tbqh

Maybe we should just open the zombie bar and sing zombie ballads.

I am kinda surprised no one has opened one yet in the OT forum.

That's because we only like to drink on topic k

Turnip Head wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Uhm... why am I still dead?

This tbqh

finally an excuse to use these

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Yeah I can never tell with Lizzy's game. But I don't care to try anymore because I feel she hates/dislikes me despite my adopting a similar style to hers... Which is a shame because I used to admire her. Oh well.

WTF I totally love you in a non-erotic way k
Now go back to admiring me. (or else )

Turnip Head wrote: I didn't say you voted for LouLou without reason, just that you didn't state either of your votes in any posts.

And I wasn't outraged by your awful, manipulative case against me. I was simply perplexed by it because it made no sense.

Hah! You should see the cases against me! That's the game, mate! Besides, depending on how ridiculous a case is you can learn a thing or two about your accuser. Oops! another slip!

[/ping]

Epignosis wrote: Lizzy is a more complicated subject. It wasn't my reading of her (she has a civilian game and a bad game, whether she realizes it or not), but it was how others reacted to her.

Also, MP often describes his allies in ambiguous yet unfriendly terms. He did that for both Lizzy and Lou ("slightly leaning baddie").

Oh noes! I've been exposed! It's not like I've been posting that carp for a while now, right? Good thing we have you and your hawk eyes!

Turnip Head wrote: However Lizzy has pinged me multiple times the past few days.

Epi, Lizzy has voted for LouLou twice in a row (although without posting to go along with her vote), and yesterday Lou voted for Lizzy in retaliation. Do you suspect them of being on the same team or different ones?

*ping ping* Bad Lizzy! How dare you vote for LouLou without reiterating that case you've made over a 2 post span 'yesterday' (which I have barely noticed because I was too outraged that you dared bring me up with your cherry picking posts)?

So I suppose I'll still have to vote for one of my teammates again if I make through the night. The things I have to do to gain credibility...

Throwing a tantrum won't make more credible, you know. Live and adapt, otherwise natural selection will take its course in a not very pretty fashion.

Turnip Head wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Wtf? I thought I was the one whom people would follow to get rid of TH AND CBK's teammate. Get in line, Epi!

What does this mean, Lizzy? Did you mean to put my name in that sentence? I know you're being cheeky but I don't understand what your post means... especially considering that this is your first post of Day 8 and you didn't comment on anything else that's happening. In fact, this is your first post since before the Day 7 lynch post where CBK survived. Do you have any thoughts on that?

I thought you were the one with all the answers. So what do you think is the hidden meaning of my post?

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Now it's your own private case, and I'm his teammate. After I voted for him right behind a civilian.

You keep using this as a defense for why I shouldn't think you and BWT are teammates. Yes, you voted for him after Hedge did, but you also led the assault on Hedge herself. And, other than that single vote on BWT, you have spent the rest of your posts being decidedly not suspicious of him, and trying to shut down any case on him. Literally, you have not voiced any suspicion of BWT at all. But you use the fact that you voted for him as a reason why you aren't his teammate.

Makes me think you voted for him just so you could use it as your defense later on.

So yeah. I think it's possible you're on a team with BWT, and the fact that you voted for him in that lynch doesn't deter me at all.

Yeah, I'm responsible for everything that goes on in this game, we know already.

As for trying to shut down any case on him, what the hell? I'm the only one in here ASKING for a case on birdwithteeth11. I keep asking, and you keep evading it. Then suddenly it's a private case.

Why do I have to voice any suspicion of birdwithteeth11? Are you waiting for ME to tell you what the case on him is so you and everybody else can follow suit?

Wtf? I thought I was the one whom people would follow to get rid of TH AND CBK's teammate. Get in line, Epi!

A Person wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

A Person wrote:test

hi asl

f/15/turku i'm home alone now and very scared winkw ink

ture

Vompatti wrote:

A Person wrote:test

hi asl

f/15/turku i'm home alone now and very scared winkw ink

Turnip Head wrote: I believe this: if you couldn't find posts that painted me as blendy and picking on low posters (and by the way, neither of these things are inherently baddie moves, just things that people usually get called out on and can be indicitave of baddieness) then you would have had nothing on me. So it's clear that you went through my posts already looking for these things. I don't think a civ operates in that way. A civ would look at the whole picture.

Of course I came in here looking for incriminating things. Isn't that what we were supposed to do? When I got here there were two players who shared the all the existing votes, so I thought I should look into it (classic baddie move ). And what do you know? Found some goodies too. In case you haven't noticed, I went through CBK's post history as well, but I haven't seen anything that was worth bringing forth. I thought there were bigger fish to fry. And I also think you've missed the main part of my 'case building' which had nothing to do with you.

Here's something I don't get: you have votes from Epi, Elo and Vomps and here you are arguing with me because...? I made a better case on you than Epi? I thought he was the one who attracted at least one vote for you, not me. When you make posts that are blendy or that go after low posters and you are very well aware those are classic baddie moves, you can't just sit there and think this will either go unnoticed or people will somehow be okay with it. When I post shit (you don't need amazing powers of observation to see there's quite a bit of that, except now, of course ) I am fully aware of my actions and I obviously expect to be a target. These games are not played only by rational players, in case you have not noticed.

And my defense was evasive? How so? All you called me out on was those two things, and I responded to both. I didn't evade any of your attack on me. I cant really defend against you calling me blendy, but i tried anyway, and i think my posts speak for themselves in proving that i havent been blendy, but im not convinced you actually looked through most of my posts. Which parts of your attack do you think I evaded? Why was my defense not satisfactory?

I made a point about low posters who were in fact the ones who voted for the only lynched baddie, the high posters have fucked up just as much as the low ones. You weren't on MP's side because you were teammates. You were on his side because he was a high blendy poster like yourself. And I explained above why your defense is meh: you make these posts more or less aware of what you are doing, yet you are sooooooooooo surprised I bring them up because that's what your typical baddie does. Of course there aren't that many and your blendiness is slightly more subtle. You'd have been a dreadful baddie otherwise, unless your purpose was to create chaos. But I don't think that is the case here.

Do you have an opinion on any other aspects of my gameplay besides being blendy and trying to get low posters to be more active?

Yeah. Our little exchange right here. Why me and not Epi? or Elo? or Vomps?

Turnip Head wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Well doh! The idea is to show that you're a potential baddie since you already have 3 (three) votes.

I understand that this was the intention of your post and I even said it. I'm just saying there's no reason for a civ to do it, especially since you didn't even vote for me! You're just trying to give other people reasons to vote for me. You saw that I was getting votes, then you went back and found a few of my posts so that others would have ammunition (like "blendy" or "targeting low posters") to vote for me themselves.

Classic baddie move.

And people will most definitely be voting for you because I told them to. Like I said, had there not been any posts of yours that would suggest your trying to blend in and picking on low posters, I wouldn't have had anything on you. Unfortunately for you, there are and this defense of yours - not very satisfactory and rather evasive except for the parts that you think suit you. Bad Lizzy!

Turnip Head wrote:Lizzy. I'm wondering how you managed to go through my posts to find those 4 without feeling compelled to comment on any of my other posts. Clearly you just went through looking for things you could paint negatively: You went for blendy, and for picking on low posters. These are reasons people usually get votes in mafia, so you pointed them out. But I haven't been blendy, and I think I've been well within my right to pick on the low posters this game, because there's so many of them and they're really fucking things up for the civs currently. But it's not like picking on low posters is all I've done in this game.

If you are a civ, you literally have no reason to go through my posts so selectively like that. You would have gone through and seen other things to comment on in my posts, perhaps things that would lead you to think I'm a civ. It is now very clear to me that only a baddie would wish to show my posts in the way that you have.

Well doh! The idea is to show that you're a potential baddie since you already have 3 (three) votes. If you had a clean record there wouldn't be anything for me to 'cherry pick' on, now would there? And low posters fucking things up for the civs? Weren't 3 or 4 of those 5 who voted for the only revealed baddie low posters? I don't see the majority of high posters doing a very good job at hunting bad guys either. Do you?

Are you trying to save CBK by helping to get me lynched? Are you guys teammates?

Yes. I'm that idiotic and playing out in the open. And you're welcome! What for? not voting for you, of course! Next time, if others won't take care of you by then. ^__^

Turnip Head wrote: linki: Wow, Lizzy, calling me blendy? Really? I've been a lot of things this game, but blendy is not one of them. I'm one of the few people out there who is posting original thoughts. Way to cherry pick my posts for reasons that work for you.

No need to thank me. Just doing m'job.

butt wait! :O there's more:

Okay I'm voting Lizzy. I don't like the fact that she has voted Bull when I think out of everyone he's the most civvie right now because of all the analysing he's doing.

This one should go down in the mafia annals.

Then there's the famous back and forth with MP and this:

Ugh I really don't know who to vote for. My only real option right now, my gut tells me to vote for MP. The only other one I could consider would be Lizzy but again, not sure at all

I'm going with Lizzy for my vote cos I think she is a baddie. MP, I'm giving you the BotD right now. But just know that you still are suspicious in my eyes.

... and the usual (I'll be paraphrasing here because I'm getting bored, but here's the link) 'oh I'm so confused', 'oh I don't know what to do'...

There! A helpful post.

4. LouLou - I think she's most likely MP's teammate. Day 1 suspects FZ, a bit of TH yet votes for Epi. But hey, this was just day 1 and she came from a site where they play a slightly different game.

FZ I'm starting to get a little concerned with the fact that you are constantly telling us why you're playing the way you're playing. What your strategy is. It's not like you. Maybe it is because we're on a new site, but maybe you're a baddie and not sure how to handle it over here. Idk, something feels weird with you.

Tbh I was thinking about turnip head. Something about the way he posted about Summer felt weird to me. What are your thoughts on him?

Then continues with the suspicion on him until he makes a case of Goosey. So what? That makes him civ all of a sudden? And just before that, she votes for MR.

I'm not so sure about Epig anymore. What would be the point of what he did? He went after Mongoose really hard so if he was a baddie it wouldn't be a very smart move would it?

There are two baddie teams, so one baddie team will obviously hunt the other one down for credibility, or throw their own members under the bus. But you already know that.

And now we get to my favourite part (because it involves yours turely k).

So we have posts like:

To first part of your post, I agree that voting a low poster will get us nowhere. How would we learn anything from that? So I think I will be voting someone who has been posting a lot more. I just don't know who yet.

and then we've got posts like:

Hmm interesting, thanks for this. Out of all those I am looking more at Lizzy than others because while she has ten posts, I don't really recall seeing a whole lot from her. That concerns me.

We've got posts like:

Oh I agree, but sometimes just creating a little chaos can sometimes cause the scum...er baddies to slip up and kinda panic? At least that's what's happened a few times over on Ksite. I mean it is possible to catch someone out in the beginning. Not very likely but possible.

and this thing I can't post http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 366#p46366

... to be continued

1. I don't think TH is MP's teammate because he keeps calling CBK a 'he', there hasn't been a 'she' slip yet and I don't think he'd defend him so out in the open if they were indeed working together.
2. This does not mean he's not a member of the Corporation. Plenty of baddie indicatives out there:

-the usual blend-y posts

I've been friendly to you because I have no reason to be antagonistic to you. Being antagonistic would get us nowhere since I'm a civ and I believe you to be civ too. So no point for us to argue in circles while baddies are out there.

or

Hey Bea, unfortunately not much has happened in this game that can be discussed in bullet points. We finally got a baddie, MP, who made a lot of posts and mentioned a lot of players, and Mongoose was lynched for dubious reasons but later rezzed, but other than that we've just been churning along, waiting for something to take us into the next stage of the game. I'd say the MP lynch is the turn that we needed.

- the usual picking on low posters

What are we going to do about the low posters? I have to say I'm almost thankful that the baddies offed Vomp, he may have been civ but he may not have been, and he certainly wasn't going to help us at all. The low posters might not be baddies but they are hurting us by not allowing everyone a little more insight into the game that we're playing. We're basically flying blind at this point and I'll bet that it can be traced back to randomizing on Day 1, not having enough active/engaged players, and blind trust/people not using their noggins.

followed by

And welcome back to life, Vompatti!

maybe he was just being polite here.
Oh oh! He also wants Bullz back! Teammates much?

3. CBK - emotional tone and centred around the people she's familiar with irl; and I know I said I usually don't look at the voting record, but hers is really all over the place. Not going to vote for her based on this when there are two more compelling candidates.

to be continued...

Well, I have to vote now. I used the same 10 forint coin and got tails again, which was Hedgie this time (LouLou was heads if anyone cares). You can also vote for me because I'm very bad k. Bai.

For both SVS and Hedgie, I was thinking about the Supernatural game in particular. I know I have not been too active on that, but one thing that struck me was SVS's cool voting record on those stats one of the players used to post. I very rarely judge someone based on their voting record because most of the time my votes are all over the place, whether bad or civ. Anyway, SVS is not a primary suspect for me, not now anyway, and a mea culpa in Dom's case.

Hedgie, I don't know what peeps you would have targeted, but dayum, HHH's hit list thus far looks a lot like what I would have done if in his shoes.

Rob - chur! butt would you like to... elaborate?

Right:

1. omgomgg hai bea and goosey!
2. Cheers for killing my main suspect, hhhhhhhh! Now I won't know who he was.
3. Hedgie seems to fit the profile of the SK, maybe a bit too well... Either way, last time she was on my side like this, she was mafia, so I'm keeping that in mind.
4. It appears that Epi survived a NK attempt and it somehow ricocheted and Dom is now kaput. Does that make Dom the SK then?
5. Rob, any idea how this happened?
6. The Sock's suspect list: Dom, SVS, Bass, Lou, MEEEEEEE, FZ. Two of them are dead. Based on the votes, the likely candidates for a Sock teammate are Lou, Dom (x___x) and me , although I've seen SVS throw her teammates under the bus when it was very convenient for her personally k.
7. I have to vote this evening because I'll be away for a couple of days.
8. Vomps, I would k

Vompatti wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Well ship and a steamboat, I've got my work cut out for me today. I just want you to know I will take this next vote very seriously as someone who is unlikely to be voted. And I promise not to steer the thread into unprecedented levels in chaos sheerly through whimsy and watermelon iced tea.

Vomps, as my fellow Lazarus kin, do you have any opinions on where we should start today? We've got about 36 hours today, and I want to:

1. Make an excellent vote.
2. Not be led astray.
3. Assist where possible.

As someone who has thoroughly read and analyzed every single post in the thread I would suggest you follow your heart and/or randomize.

<3

Mister Rearranger wrote:
I don't know. I don't know what to believe anymore, lol.

My brain is hanging upside-down.

Bullzeye wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Well, this makes things a tad easier. Bullz has had a similar style to MP but toned it down recently. Nicely played! Then, knowing MP as a baddie, I would suggest looking at his list of suspects. He always throws in one or two teammates (just in case) but never actually votes for them, only as a last resort. I think LouLou might a good guess. Yes, I am fully aware I am one of them as well, butt I felt I should leave this here in case I get NK'd (two nights in a row k). I also don't trust the people who have been on my side, particularly Hedge and to a lesser extent K4J.

Also, VOMPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Since when have I had a similar style to MP? I rarely make posts as long as his, nor am I usually as active as he is when he gets going. I also don't often use the tactic of distancing from my teammates to the extent he does. Good point on that though, I'd bet that at least one of the people he was 'suspicious' of is a fellow Corporation member.

You know I'm referring to your trying to be helpful, which is not a bad thing, but it has to do with the perception of your trying too hard. These are just nuances, of course, because you are one of the most clever baddies out there (and I have to admit that I am often jealous you're getting a lot of the cool roles :P)

Well, this makes things a tad easier. Bullz has had a similar style to MP but toned it down recently. Nicely played! Then, knowing MP as a baddie, I would suggest looking at his list of suspects. He always throws in one or two teammates (just in case) but never actually votes for them, only as a last resort. I think LouLou might a good guess. Yes, I am fully aware I am one of them as well, butt I felt I should leave this here in case I get NK'd (two nights in a row k). I also don't trust the people who have been on my side, particularly Hedge and to a lesser extent K4J.

Also, VOMPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Not randomising. I suppose it's some sort of nameless grey area. Let's leave it to that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

It says a lot, particularly the fact that people are not paying attention. I know I should not discuss the other game here, but if you haven't noticed, 1. that was a night poll where I 'randomised' and 2. I should probably use orange a lot more; randomising in my head. Totes!

That being said, I also encourage people to vote for me. I'm very bad k. Not a serial killer though. I wouldn't sit back and let people live, especially civs, if I were one. This means I would have missed two opportunities thus far. So not me.

You have no thoughts about anyone at all?

I have to agree; I don't think you would miss two kills as an SK. So if you are bad, you're on a mafia team.

Nothing caught my eye that would make me want to change my vote. I'll stick to my theory that the best and most clever baddies are the most helpful civs. I'm still traumatised from the Meat Boy game, you see. Curse you, Russti! ;P Devin too, but to a lesser extent. So, yeah! You keep being VERY helpful and trying too hard on this, and if I'm still alive, you might get a vote from yours turely as well. ^__^

slinki - If I say that I randomise something in my head, that's not exactly randomising, now is it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

It says a lot, particularly the fact that people are not paying attention. I know I should not discuss the other game here, but if you haven't noticed, 1. that was a night poll where I 'randomised' and 2. I should probably use orange a lot more; randomising in my head. Totes!

That being said, I also encourage people to vote for me. I'm very bad k. Not a serial killer though. I wouldn't sit back and let people live, especially civs, if I were one. This means I would have missed two opportunities thus far. So not me.

I believe FZ was a player offed by an indie SK. That being said she seemed fairly civ-ish to me.

1. Ho ho ho Merry Christmas k

2. VMOPS

3. This:

Loulou26 wrote:Okay I'm voting Lizzy. I don't like the fact that she has voted Bull when I think out of everyone he's the most civvie right now because of all the analysing he's doing.

this:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Bullzeye - Firmly leaning civvie - Has been posting with frequency and insight that I would expect from him. Can be a really tricksy baddie, but I don't have any reason to believe he's doing that here. Seems reasonable and I believe he is genuinely civvie-minded.

might be the person I feel is most civvie. He's posts come off as genuine, I like the way he's thinking most of the time, and even when I don't agree with his suspicions, I get where they are coming from

and this:

Mister Rearranger wrote: Bullz - I've felt strong about Bullz all game. Copacetic readthrough and has shared a lot of my own opinions without piggybacking on them (ie: voicing them without me mentioning them first in thread). One of my best civ feelings, at this point.

... make me feel even more confident about my vote for teh Bullzer

^KRussti, I'm not reading that if it kills me.

I'll vote for Bullz because I said I would and I'm a man of my word

Bullzeye wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:So I decided to procrastinate by looking at the people who voted Mongoose and the first thing I notice is that about half of her voters had 10 posts or less: Lizzy (10), Russ (9), Elo (4), Dex (5), DP (7). Just caught my eye because it seems like some of them could just be trying to fly low and throw votes onto an easy target, knowing she was probably going to be lynched no matter what.

I might have to vote for you next k

Why, you ask?
1. I did the same thing last time I was a baddie;
2. We have pretty similar baddie playing styles k.
3. Because I can.

1. You did what last time you were a baddie? I'm pretty sure the only time we've both played together and you were bad is in Thomas, where I was bad as well.
2. I dunno if we do, but you're not seeing my baddie style right now.
3. You're mean

k?

1. ture
2. ture
3. ture

butt

I'll still probably vote for you though k

Bullzeye wrote:So I decided to procrastinate by looking at the people who voted Mongoose and the first thing I notice is that about half of her voters had 10 posts or less: Lizzy (10), Russ (9), Elo (4), Dex (5), DP (7). Just caught my eye because it seems like some of them could just be trying to fly low and throw votes onto an easy target, knowing she was probably going to be lynched no matter what.

I might have to vote for you next k

Why, you ask?
1. I did the same thing last time I was a baddie;
2. We have pretty similar baddie playing styles k.
3. Because I can.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Like I said in the other thread, I'll be out of the country for a few days and I'm not sure about the internet connection there, so I'll vote now. The only one that caught my eye the other day was Goosey, thus, my vote shall go her way today.

Why did you randomize in one thread and actively look for a place to leave your vote in the other?

Because I can.

Too bad you can't change your vote. That would've shown me.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Lizzy's drive-by vote is pingworthy. One has to seriously consider whether it's a baddie without much time on her hands or just a civvie without much time on her hands. Thoughts?

Heeeeeeeeeeeeey... now wait just a minute there, buster! Why can't I be an indie without much time on my hands? Poor indies, no-one gives a toss about them.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Like I said in the other thread, I'll be out of the country for a few days and I'm not sure about the internet connection there, so I'll vote now. The only one that caught my eye the other day was Goosey, thus, my vote shall go her way today.

Why did you randomize in one thread and actively look for a place to leave your vote in the other?

Because I can.

Like I said in the other thread, I'll be out of the country for a few days and I'm not sure about the internet connection there, so I'll vote now. The only one that caught my eye the other day was Goosey, thus, my vote shall go her way today.

Is it the host post?

Uhm.... wasn't it an 8-way tie, which means that the above applies to all 8 players, myself included, or am I missing something?

Mister Rearranger wrote:Mongoose, I don't believe you ever answered my question on the previous page.

Why do you feel Epi voted for you?

Hang on! Why are you not asking him why he voted for her? Since when do those who receive votes have to give an explanation for another player's vote for them? Wut

That being said...

Mongoose wrote:I would sincerely like to thank Bullz for his post. That's what I like to see, someone quoting another player (even if it's me) and analyzing/synthesizing/interpreting it. Instead of just going off memory.

I do feel this is a mountain made out of molehill. It's weird that I'm nervous about the lynch because you philosophically disagree with me on mafia theory. Do you know how nuts that seems to me from my standpoint?

I've said this same belief in other games and a few of you have latched onto it (for lack of nothing better? I dunno). It seems completely arbitrary and opportunistic. If I had said this in the past and then changed my tune in this game, that would be suspect and contradictory.

... this reeks of baddie

I implore you to vote elsewhere. I'm not going to explain a thousand times this way and that my feelings because we've already talked this death and you might vote me anyway. But you will not be happy come results time and will bemoaning your lack of being able to read me, but that won't do me any good cause I will be dead.

... this on the other hand sounds sincere.

Errrr, that's a tad too much to read. If it's all the same to you, I'll try to fly under radar and hope no-one takes notice.

Oops! A slip!

A Person wrote:

Lizzy wrote:I voted for Dudgaywwilee because so did Vomps and I trust him k

Well maybe I'll vote the same as vomps because I don't trust him.

:oOoooo tyre

I voted for Dudgaywwilee because so did Vomps and I trust him k