The Syndicate

Snow Dog wrote:...I was hoping McV was a narrow gauge also and reywas was the mainline engine.

Ah, we were very sure Viper was an engine because we figured he'd switched the lynch that killed either me or Nev. I don't remember which but we guessed his role from that. We just hoped Rey was a narrow gauge, and as it turns out we were in luck.

Snow Dog wrote:If Lizzy hadn't have been off the poll I would have voted for her. Maybe McV would have too. Really the game ended when she won thos badges.

I knew it! I said in our chat when you didn't vote Viper that the only reason you tied it up was because you wanted to vote Lizzy. It made me think we'd lost the game for a while, until we realised that we could kill Viper and count on Rey not showing up.

Also: Two people go sign up for Bioshock right now! I wanna play it!

FWIW I wouldn't put too much stock in the Llama gambit as it's easy for a baddie to claim that they're a civvie doing the same thing. I'd probably have voted Llama that day even if I was a civvie based on that reason, as unless there's someone I really need dead I always make actual cases for who I'm voting as a baddie.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Awesome Well done team, especially Lizzy who was basically on her own and new to the game! I really didn't expect us to win this especially after Nev and I died to essentially good guesses, but I got more hopeful towards the end. Snow, last night I was sat in our baddie btsc just waiting for you to cast the deciding lynch vote and hoping you'd end the game for us. Then I figured killing Viper was the best way for us to win because he was either the last steamie we needed to kill, or one of two, and Rey was unlikely to show up to vote in the final lynch.

Snow Dog wrote:
Lizzy wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:It's a shame I wsn't informed of this lynch failure.
I was convinced you knew we had you figured out since we kept blocking you every other night.
I'm used to being not trusted, thought it was civ one night and you lot the other. But maybe you are right. I was a total failure at this game.
You did well, and if we hadn't known you were unkillable we'd definitely have wasted at least one try on you because you were a threat to us. Nev and I had worked to make it so that if one of us was lynched the other would have an airtight alibi so we expected everyone to trust at least one of us regardless.
You and Nev were brilliant. For a moment I thought we were a little civvie team. As I said. I need to follow my original instincts.

Thanks, we worked pretty hard at it. It was Nev's idea so he should get the credit but its been done many times and fooled many a civvie so don't feel too bad about it.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Awesome Well done team, especially Lizzy who was basically on her own and new to the game! I really didn't expect us to win this especially after Nev and I died to essentially good guesses, but I got more hopeful towards the end. Snow, last night I was sat in our baddie btsc just waiting for you to cast the deciding lynch vote and hoping you'd end the game for us. Then I figured killing Viper was the best way for us to win because he was either the last steamie we needed to kill, or one of two, and Rey was unlikely to show up to vote in the final lynch.

Snow Dog wrote:
Lizzy wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:It's a shame I wsn't informed of this lynch failure.
I was convinced you knew we had you figured out since we kept blocking you every other night.
I'm used to being not trusted, thought it was civ one night and you lot the other. But maybe you are right. I was a total failure at this game.
You did well, and if we hadn't known you were unkillable we'd definitely have wasted at least one try on you because you were a threat to us. Nev and I had worked to make it so that if one of us was lynched the other would have an airtight alibi so we expected everyone to trust at least one of us regardless.
After Nev died, I was convinced you had pulled the same thing for another player too, but based on what I knew of Snow Dog I couldnt figure out how he and Nev could be bad, so I thought it had to be McViper.

I kinda feel like we did try to protect Lizzy and Krissy a bit but that was more diverting attention on to us and away from the quieter players. Our goal, in Epi's words, was to cause Confusion and Delay so it's good to hear that we accomplished that!

Awesome

Well done team, especially Lizzy who was basically on her own and new to the game! I really didn't expect us to win this especially after Nev and I died to essentially good guesses, but I got more hopeful towards the end. Snow, last night I was sat in our baddie btsc just waiting for you to cast the deciding lynch vote and hoping you'd end the game for us. Then I figured killing Viper was the best way for us to win because he was either the last steamie we needed to kill, or one of two, and Rey was unlikely to show up to vote in the final lynch.

Snow Dog wrote:
Lizzy wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:It's a shame I wsn't informed of this lynch failure.
I was convinced you knew we had you figured out since we kept blocking you every other night.
I'm used to being not trusted, thought it was civ one night and you lot the other. But maybe you are right. I was a total failure at this game.

You did well, and if we hadn't known you were unkillable we'd definitely have wasted at least one try on you because you were a threat to us. Nev and I had worked to make it so that if one of us was lynched the other would have an airtight alibi so we expected everyone to trust at least one of us regardless.

I am going to put my vote on McViper because I've found his past two votes quite suspicious and I think there's something going on there.

McViper wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
McViper wrote:Well, I've voted for DP in the past. The avatar scares me....so since DP has the most votes so far. I'll join in
These are two of the worst reasons I ever read.
I would have to agree. Jumping on to a bandwagon is one thing, but jumping on to one that hasn't really been explained with no actual reason for your own vote? I don't necessarily think DP is a civvie but nor do I think Viper is, especially after that.

I guess this game is over my head, because I can find no logical reason for voting for anyone.

I can understand that, but using someone's avatar as a reason to vote for them? Mine is a quote from Supernatural, but I don't go around hunting ghosts and exorcising demons. At least not while I'm playing mafia anyway. Your reasons for voting in the past couple of lynches have really caught my attention for seeming really stretched and forced.

Snow Dog wrote:
I'm starting to think the most vocal people here, you me and Nev are all civ. If so I apologise for my vote for you. If true though I fear we may be targeted for a NK.

While I'm glad you're realising I'm not bad (if you're a civvie) I can't say I feel the same about you and Nev. Both of you have given me reason to wonder but I'm also now wondering if it might be worth going with a Viper vote today. What do you think of that?

Nevinera wrote: That said, I'm rather afraid to vote for either of you, because I have no idea why I'm still alive - I expected an NK days ago. My guess is that I'm around because scrapping me would incriminate someone, and you two are the only ones I've really been pointed at. So I'm going to keep pointing at both of you! No offense :-P

This post also feels weird to me. I'm not sure why. Does anyone else have the same feeling? I can't put my finger on what it is.

Snow Dog wrote:
McViper wrote:Well, I've voted for DP in the past. The avatar scares me....so since DP has the most votes so far. I'll join in
These are two of the worst reasons I ever read.

I would have to agree. Jumping on to a bandwagon is one thing, but jumping on to one that hasn't really been explained with no actual reason for your own vote? I don't necessarily think DP is a civvie but nor do I think Viper is, especially after that.

Nevinera wrote:I'm also still curious about the BWT thing.
Does anyone have thoughts on the reasons behind such random-seeming kills?
I'm especially curious if you have any thought Bullz..

Why especially me? I have no great insight to share. In my experience kills rarely have much of a pattern because patterns can lead to players, so random-seeming would be the way to go. Perhaps the diesels don't have any particular agenda or perhaps they have one that's not so obvious.

Snow Dog wrote:
Nevinera wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:^Nice catch.
As you know perfectly well, *this* is the response I'm talking about.
Do you think you can make a page-long post go away by ignoring it?

Especially considering who posted the argument.. if you don't have anything to say about it,
I'm pretty sure where my vote's going.
I haven't ignored it. I quoted my post for you where I tell Simon I'm not bad.

Oh and of course you'd definitely have confessed if you were a baddie

So last night I decided to look at Snow and Viper because I thought the timing of their votes for me was odd. I noticed a weird thing about Snow.

Snow Dog wrote:Llama's plan was ill timed being in a game with a high level of newbies. But one person who voted for him simply wouldn't accept my point that if Llama was bad he wouldn't act like that. That was Bullzeye. I am voting for him. I am as sure as can be that he is bad.

Votes Bullzeye.

Here he implies that he always knew Llama was acting in a civvie-like manner and his tone suggests he had spent a while arguing against lynching him. This is not the case however:

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I don't see any reason to keep waiting, it doesn't look like my opinion is going to change. I'm voting Llama - I think he's acting strangely and I'm not buying the whole 'sacrifice' thing he claims to be doing...
Isn't he acting too strange to be bad?

That was the only post of his that suggests he has any sort of doubt about Llama's intentions being bad, prior to this he sang a different tune:

Snow Dog wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:
A Person wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:I am currently suspicious of those who didn't vote. Especially those like Lizzy and A Person who were waiting so last minute that they missed the vote. First day voting for noobs could be an excuse for some, but doesn't work for everyone. Not sure on Nev currently, but he's not my inclination for the next vote.
I'm terrible at making decisions, so waiting until the last minute is the only way I get things done
This could be said about so many of us in this game However, Snow Dog I am curious if you will be voting for A Person again and do you have any further thoughts?
I doubt I'll vote him again. I quite fancy a vote for you or Llama if this pig idea keeps going. feels like a baddie move to me.

The previous night, he 'quite fancied' a Llama vote based on how he was acting at the time. So I really don't see where this whole idea that I or anyone else 'simply wouldn't accept' a point of his. He made this point once and with little enthusiasm or elaboration. Another thing caught my eye which could be nothing but bears mentioning regardless in my opinion.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:So many questions. Since DH has clearly been biff'd, is DH now free from suspicion or can baddies target one of their own to throw us off?
Baddies do it a lot, I don't see why it'd be any different in this game.
It could very well be different. This is kind of an easier game.

Here he suggests that baddies might not be able to use their own powers on their teammates, rendering anyone who they did use them on guaranteed civvie, based on the idea this is an easier game than most. It was later confirmed that of course baddies can target their own teammates as usual. This struck me as possibly a sort of preemptive defense of a team mate who might be targeted by a baddie power in future. On the other hand it could be nothing. But I'm quite curious about Snow in general.

McViper wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I don't know any of these songs or artists, I'm gonna vote Drops of Jupiter because it caught my attention by being the only non-train related song title.

What?!!? do you hate trains?

No, I just liked the uniqueness.

I don't know any of these songs or artists, I'm gonna vote Drops of Jupiter because it caught my attention by being the only non-train related song title.

Snow Dog wrote:
Elohcin wrote:No one has been decommissioned!
It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.
Is this because of the tied vote?

A tie would be resolved one way or the other. I expect there's a different explanation.

I legitimately do not see how there is a case against me today, based on the fact I didn't post for a few hours and don't agree with every word Snow Dog posts. If I am lynched today, the remaining civvies will need to take a long look at the reasons why that was.

Nevinera wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Linki: Nev, your willingness to kill civvies just to find out if someone else is bad speaks volumes about your alignment.
It's true, I am logic-aligned.

Are you diesel-aligned as well? I do wonder...

Since there's an hour left to vote and it doesn't look like anybody else is coming, I'm going to have to vote to save myself I suppose. Fortunately, I do think DP could be bad, having had his team insanify him to cover up after people discussed him earlier. So that's who I'll vote for, but if I survive I'll also be keeping a close eye on Viper and Snow. Neither seems to have a decent reason for their vote for me and it's a little too coincidental that they both just happen to vote at the same time. If I do die today (though I'm hoping not) then I would urge the civvies to look more closely at SD and Viper.

Linki: Nev, your willingness to kill civvies just to find out if someone else is bad speaks volumes about your alignment.

McViper wrote:We haven't heard from Bullzeye in a very long time. I think he's laying low to avoid detection. I cast my vote for him

Or maybe he has better things to be doing? You haven't heard from me since last night, hardly a very long time. I didn't have anything to post right after the night ended, and then I went out to a play and for some drinks with some friends, I've only just now got home. I can't exactly be posting while I'm busy enjoying my free time and I don't have to ignore my friends and post here instead. Nobody was even asking anything of me, so what detection was I trying to avoid for sooooo long?

Snow Dog wrote:Llama's plan was ill timed being in a game with a high level of newbies. But one person who voted for him simply wouldn't accept my point that if Llama was bad he wouldn't act like that. That was Bullzeye. I am voting for him. I am as sure as can be that he is bad.

Votes Bullzeye.

Wait I'm sorry how was Llama acting in Video Game Mafia? Trying to draw lots of attention to himself. What was his role? A baddie one. So he would act like that if he was bad. Not everyone has to accept the same things, I had no idea you were the authority on all things Llama. I have no idea where your sudden attack at me has come from but the fact the two of you just happened to vote me in quick succession is certainly very interesting. To be completely honest I still don't buy that Llama had some grand sacrifice planned, I think he made a mistake and tried to make it look intentional when he realised his error.

Linki: The forum ate my initial response. I have no idea why it only posted that.

McViper wrote:We haven't heard from Bullzeye in a very long time. I think he's laying low to avoid detection. I cast my vote for him

Nevinera wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Nevinera wrote:I think 16 should be sufficient for a party. I can't see how 1 extra balloon would be too many, so 15 seems pointless.
It is boxes. So it's an extra box of balloons. I don't know how heavy it is of course.
How heavy can a box of balloons even be? You'd need hundreds of balloons before they start getting too heavy to carry.
Well I totally missed that it was whole boxes. Though in retrospect it seems rather obvious that you wouldn't ship 16 individual ballons by train.

A sensible person wouldn't. I might, if I were feeling particularly bored and had a small fleet of trains at my disposal with nothing better to do

(I imagine the balloons would be inflated and tied to the roof of the train).

Snow Dog wrote:
Nevinera wrote:I think 16 should be sufficient for a party. I can't see how 1 extra balloon would be too many, so 15 seems pointless.
It is boxes. So it's an extra box of balloons. I don't know how heavy it is of course.

How heavy can a box of balloons even be? You'd need hundreds of balloons before they start getting too heavy to carry.

I'm gonna say 16 for this poll, it's neither too many nor too few, so Harold won't be troubled by his fuel leakage and everyone will get some balloons! I may have overthought that.

Snow Dog wrote:While Llama appears to be noble it is only a good strategy if you don't actually want to continue playing. So didn't you want to play anymore llama old buddy?

That's what I don't get about the whole thing. Either he wants out, knows he won't be lynched, is a civvie who made a mistake and is trying to cover it up as intentional, or he's a baddie trying to cause confusion. I'm not even sure which I think is most likely.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I don't see any reason to keep waiting, it doesn't look like my opinion is going to change. I'm voting Llama - I think he's acting strangely and I'm not buying the whole 'sacrifice' thing he claims to be doing...
Isn't he acting too strange to be bad?

Is there really such a thing though? You could say baddies wouldn't willingly draw too much attention to themselves and I'd even agree with you but on the other hand the fact we're saying this suggests it's a good tactic for baddies to employ because people will say oh he'd never do that if he was a baddie.

I don't see any reason to keep waiting, it doesn't look like my opinion is going to change. I'm voting Llama - I think he's acting strangely and I'm not buying the whole 'sacrifice' thing he claims to be doing...

Nevinera wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Nice way to spread the vote even further~ the baddies can swoop in and lynch a civ with just one vote with such a spread, especially if the lurkers dont vote
No kidding.
It's hard to come to consensus this early, but we can't afford to leave everyone with 1-2 votes again.

I'm favoring DP, on the logic that llama must have some kind of info from that last survey,
but I could see Bullz or maybe McViper - he went oddly silent after that initial flurry of suspicion.

You really think Llama has info? I think that if he did he's a good enough player to find real stuff to back his points up with rather than joking about the letters in someone's username making them bad. I'm considering a vote on Llama myself as I find the whole pig theory weird and didn't think it was actually a serious thing until he based a vote on it.

Mongoose wrote:Sorry - been slammed at work today. Also, had to go do my civic duty via jury summons.

Anyway, I chose Snow Dog due to llama's Hidden Message School of Thought. Can't spell Snow Dog without "goon." My apologies.

You realise Mongoose has the same word in it?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:What's this about the pig voters?
All four votes for Pigs came from people who missed the previous lynch vote. I have a crazy conspiracy theory that these people had some info on the poll, and I think that indicates baddieness.
Let me get this straight. Your theory is that all the baddies missed a lynch vote, and to reward them for this Epi gave them info on the best poll option for them to choose? That does sound crazy.
Tank launches grass growth on vocals. I want to know is, how many tears from heaven.

I couldn't have said that better myself

Lizzy wrote:RIP SVS

So, being pretty much new to the game, and reading people's posts, and since apparently the baddies are no strangers to targeting their own and since SVS's identity has not been revealed, is there a possibility that she was one of them? Also, I still don't understand how the voting in the previous poll could tell whether or not we are dealing with baddies. If I were to find anything suspicious related to this, it's not the pig voting folk, but rather how Llama and DH both rushed to vote for goats almost simultaneously. Then there is DH being biffed. That does not mean it's not a coincidence. So, because we're still quite a few, I'm sticking to my 'innocent till proven guilty' approach.

And, as for not voting in the lynch last time, that was just me being an idiot and thinking I still had a couple of hours left. As you might have noticed, the polls closed just as I was about to vote. So I take the blame for this entirely. Won't happen again.

Yes baddies target their own but never with their kill. There is Sir Topham who can redirect targets but aside from interference by him I'd say it's pretty much confirmed that SVS was civvie.

Linki: Probably not.

thellama73 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:What's this about the pig voters?
All four votes for Pigs came from people who missed the previous lynch vote. I have a crazy conspiracy theory that these people had some info on the poll, and I think that indicates baddieness.

Let me get this straight. Your theory is that all the baddies missed a lynch vote, and to reward them for this Epi gave them info on the best poll option for them to choose? That does sound crazy.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:So many questions. Since DH has clearly been biff'd, is DH now free from suspicion or can baddies target one of their own to throw us off?
Baddies do it a lot, I don't see why it'd be any different in this game.
It could very well be different. This is kind of an easier game.

But if they could only target civvies, that outs everyone they target as a civvie and towards the end it'd get really obvious who the baddies were. Would be easier for them to just not target anyone except for the NK if that were the case.

Hedgeowl wrote:So many questions. Since DH has clearly been biff'd, is DH now free from suspicion or can baddies target one of their own to throw us off?

Baddies do it a lot, I don't see why it'd be any different in this game.

thellama73 wrote:What are people's thoughts on the lynch today? I will going with a Pig voter, but haven't decided which one yet. Probably either Nev or DP. I think Hedgeowl may have been on to something with him.

I have an eye on Nev after his response to me, but other than that I'm not too sure. I haven't been the most active player so I may need a reread today to see if there's anything I missed.

Nevinera wrote:
Bullzeye wrote: She almost had to have been good right? There's only one baddie team after all... I do agree she seems an odd choice to take out. Could she have done or said something to earn the baddies' wrath?
I just don't see anything. I've been rereading her posts carefully, and I don't see any sensical reason someone would scrap her. A few nonsensical ones maybe, and one real stretch involving the secret power..

It kind of sounds like you're trying to direct the discourse here.
So tell me, *did* she do something to earn said wrath? -.O

linki Snow: Not really, I think I've expressed my reasons sufficiently. I certainly didn't "ignore" anything, but I'm not at all surprised that you'd cast it that way.

Really? That's a bit of a stretch. I was just trying to start up a conversation that might have lead to some new people to look at or new ways to look at old suspects...

Nevinera wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:RIPIYWG SVS. D:
I don't think there's much doubt she was good.. RIP for sure.

Why SVS though? She didn't point the finger at anyone but Boogs, a known steamer..
All she's been doing is making other players justify their actions, and not even very harshly.

She almost had to have been good right? There's only one baddie team after all... I do agree she seems an odd choice to take out. Could she have done or said something to earn the baddies' wrath?

Boogs wrote:I ended up dying early once again :/ My last game for mafia will be finishing up Video Game and then I think I am done with playing. I can't enjoy the games the way it's been every time with the exception of that one lasting so long. Thanks to those i have gotten to know on a personal level and good luck to the rest of the players on here!

That's a shame, I've enjoyed playing with you in VGM. It's worth sticking it out IMO, sometimes people just have terrible luck. As to the current poll, I'm going to vote Cows, since I'm about to go out for a burger with some friends. Seems appropriate

. Hopefully after today I'll be more active, I know I've been really quiet at the moment.

Randomised: Came up DH

Right I'm gonna have to vote quickly because I'm going out tonight to get... tired

I don't know if I'll be back before the deadline but even if I am I'll probably be too tired to post so I'm gonna have to random. That said I do agree with what SVS was saying about giving new players a chance to play so I'll random between the people that I know are experienced players.

Good old day one. I'm gonna have a quick read through everything and see if something catches my eye. Has everyone checked in yet? I think so but I'm not completely sure...

Yay, my first game on The Syndicate!

I think today I'll be going with Blue. It seems to have been a lucky colour for me in recent mafia games, I'm hoping that continues.

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