The Syndicate

Hey Russti, what amounts of Wood Elf points were each group on? Were we close to being stuck with any one particular group?

Epignosis wrote: A pity I didn't spend my money more wisely. And I had a lot of it.

I had about 2400 when I died. If I'd been careful I could've been unlynchable at the end. How much did everyone else have? If I sent someone cash it basically meant I liked things they were saying or was trying to hint to them. I sent Snow money on night one to apologise for the random vote during the day, and TH (maybe Dom too?) got some for defending Boogs.

fingersplints wrote:Congratulations juliets! You played a great game!

I loved all my btsc. MM, TH, DP, AP, Kyle. <3 You guys were awesome

bullz, I switched llamas vote. That might have done it

Ah okay! I sent you cash that night thinking you were a civ and hoping you'd think it was a hint that I was still on the civ team (even though I could, and was happy to, win with anyone). If a baddie or civ with btsc had got 100 wood elf points we would've joined btsc with you. I was really hoping to do that, especially since Boogs and Spaghetti died within 24 hours of each other and left me all alone!

Oh yeah, and Boogs didn't fake that silence. Basically his secret was that he had a 6th of a chance to get drunk with the vintner each night and if he did he was silenced. It happened to him on night 1 and instead of claiming his own role had silenced him he was mistakenly a little too honest about what happened and so people thought he was lying and it was too late to cover up.

Epignosis wrote: So I needed to forgo the armor and augment my vote.

The day I died, I could have afforded six votes (though I only bought three). I was tempted to blow the whole thing on lynching you but figured you deserved at least a chance to win even if I was annoyed with you chasing me so much. What were you saying earlier about knowing I was the king but just using me to draw out Smaug? This is what I meant by knowing I was being used, and I wanted to get NKed just to ruin your attempt

Also seriously how the hell did I survive when Llama died? I genuinely did delete the PM to buy votes so I have no idea what saved me.

Congrats Juliets! I was so hoping you'd burn them all after I died!

Once I was alone I started just trying to play for any side and didn't care who won as long as I could stick with them. No team ever got enough wood elf points for us to join them, probably because of the constant bandwagon attempts directed at Boogs. I really thought I'd made my allegiance super obvious after defending him so hard but apparently people didn't put two and two together there.

Voting MM in hopes of protecting myself.

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:You've spent a hell of a lot of time and effort coming after someone you didn't even originally have a reason to come after. When people are pushing cases against me I prefer to defend than attack because I know that, in some cases, if I claim I'm suspicious of someone who is on the fence about me they will vote me to defend themselves. It happens. I don't want to cause you and kind of discomfort, embarrassment, humiliation, upset, or pressure. I just want the satisfaction of proving someone wrong when they're so passionate about how right they are. It's one of my favourite things in mafia.
If proving people wrong is one of your favorite things in Mafia, then why did you beg the Goblins or Smaug to night kill you in order to ruin any plans someone might have had?

I knew they wouldn't anyway but tbh I thought it would be funny if they did. It'd certainly be something unusual. Plus who says I don't have a dagger?

Bullzeye wrote:Goblins or Smaug, whichever of you is not framing me right now, we all know what is going to happen tomorrow. I don't want to give whoever is setting me up the satisfaction of watching me make a desperate but futile attempt to defend myself. So I have a proposition. I'd like one of you to NK me tonight! This isn't a trick, I don't have any daggers or anything. I just want to throw a spanner in the works for whoever is doing all this. They'd never expect me to just go and die, it'd probably ruin all their plans! I think it'd be really funny.
I just don't get it.

Mongoose was bad when she claimed X, but you're not when you claim X.
People who vote on bandwagons without adding anything new are suspicious, but you are not when you do it.

I don't know how I survived. I don't know what else to say about that. The only thing that makes sense is that K4J had a powerful vote.
I've explained why I voted AP. It was him, who seemed likely to be bad, vs Boogs, who I was very certain was not bad.
I've just answered point 3.

Less than half an hour to vote now and only two people have done...

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:It's been a full two Days and from what I can tell, you have not helped in the search for Goblins. You've only posted defensively. You've clearly been around. You claimed that I and llama were bad and should be lynched next (ironically without giving any reasons). You said you felt good about k4j for a reason that isn't true.
So stop wasting time. You decided I was bad days ago and nothing will change that. Lynch me and be done with so I can laugh at you.
You already did that, chuckles.
That wasn't me really laughing at you. That was me clicking on a smiley a few times to illustrate how silly I find the notion of me being Smaug. I will actually laugh when, if I'm lynched, my role is revealed and you try to scrape together some excuse for why you were wrong.
Why would I try to scrape together some excuse? I'm wrong a lot. If I were right all of the time, I'd play the lottery, not Mafia.

I've offered plenty of time for you to talk about other players, discuss suspicions, and help demonstrate that you are on the side of the civilians. Instead, all you've used that time to do is be defensive, say things that aren't true, and taunt me into voting you.

If you think mislynching you is going to make me feel uncomfortable, embarrassed, humiliated, upset, or under any kind of pressure, you are mistaken.

You've spent a hell of a lot of time and effort coming after someone you didn't even originally have a reason to come after. When people are pushing cases against me I prefer to defend than attack because I know that, in some cases, if I claim I'm suspicious of someone who is on the fence about me they will vote me to defend themselves. It happens. I don't want to cause you and kind of discomfort, embarrassment, humiliation, upset, or pressure. I just want the satisfaction of proving someone wrong when they're so passionate about how right they are. It's one of my favourite things in mafia.

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:It's been a full two Days and from what I can tell, you have not helped in the search for Goblins. You've only posted defensively. You've clearly been around. You claimed that I and llama were bad and should be lynched next (ironically without giving any reasons). You said you felt good about k4j for a reason that isn't true.
So stop wasting time. You decided I was bad days ago and nothing will change that. Lynch me and be done with so I can laugh at you.
You already did that, chuckles.

That wasn't me really laughing at you. That was me clicking on a smiley a few times to illustrate how silly I find the notion of me being Smaug. I will actually laugh when, if I'm lynched, my role is revealed and you try to scrape together some excuse for why you were wrong.

Epignosis wrote:It's been a full two Days and from what I can tell, you have not helped in the search for Goblins. You've only posted defensively. You've clearly been around. You claimed that I and llama were bad and should be lynched next (ironically without giving any reasons). You said you felt good about k4j for a reason that isn't true.

So stop wasting time. You decided I was bad days ago and nothing will change that. Lynch me and be done with so I can laugh at you.

Epignosis wrote:
Who is "they" and why would "they" know Llama was Gandalf?

I think the double standard here smells. When Mongoose raised the possibility that she was being set up, you dismissed it and condemned her for it. When you raise it now, you're telling the truth (which by definition can't be true because you don't know you're being set up because you don't know how you survived).

Maybe they'd guessed? I don't know or care really. I know I'm telling the truth about how I survived and it would make absolutely no sense at all for me to claim I didn't know I survived rather than just say I bought votes unless I was telling the truth. Seriously. What do I gain here?

Then there's this:

Bullzeye wrote: Personally I'll be more suspicious of those who do simply jump on without adding anything to the case.

Bullzeye wrote:AP it is then, I can't see any reason for why not.
Adding to a bandwagon without adding anything to the case.

Umm, context? AP was brought up as someone to be lynched in place of Boogs. Like I've said a million times I didn't think Boogs was bad and felt the case against him was being over-hyped by opportunistic baddies. I voted AP as the only real alternative as did others who agreed with me.

juliets wrote: Bullz - Epig seems sure he is Smaug and his insights have been amazingly good but Bullz sounds so genuine. I may give him the botd.

His 'insights' into me have been nothing. Literally less than guesswork. It amazes me that anyone is even paying attention to him tbh, he has even admitted that the only reason he thinks I'm Smaug is because it's a fact that one person playing this game must be. By the same logic I can say that you are actually the host of this game, because someone has to be or the game wouldn't exist...

Kylemii wrote:i'm voting bullz again, there were some posts before the lynch post which lead me to believe that maybe he did know he was going to survive.

i have to go, i'm travelling today, but i'll try to keep up via phone since i don't have to drive

Quote these posts. Oh wait you won't be able to since you're travelling. That's convenient.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:If they already had the vote power and knew Llama was Gandalf, why not? I remember what I said to Mongoose but at this point I know I'm telling the truth. There is literally no reason to claim I don't know how I survived unless I really don't. Even if it was a lie the easiest way for me to go would be to say I bought extra votes to save myself.
Could be a case of the famous WIFOM. In other words you bought the extra votes but to claim that would not clear you. So you say you don't know what happened and claim you are being set up hoping it is the better play.

Nah because claiming I don't know leads people to assume I'm lying. The smarter move would've been to lie and say I had bought votes, I realise that now.

If they already had the vote power and knew Llama was Gandalf, why not? I remember what I said to Mongoose but at this point I know I'm telling the truth. There is literally no reason to claim I don't know how I survived unless I really don't. Even if it was a lie the easiest way for me to go would be to say I bought extra votes to save myself.

juliets wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I might believe you Bullz. It certainly is not definite I will vote for you.
I am thinking the same thing Bullz. Your posts are seeming genuine. The strongest thing working against you is that Epig is sure you are bad and you have to admit he has been on point this game. I'm looking at alternatives and I can't promise i wont vote for you but at least I'm looking around. If you don't have to vote to save yourself who will you vote for today?

You have to admit he has no reason to think I'm bad though. Look at our discussion yesterday. His entire argument against me is that someone has to be Smaug. He has nothing pointing to me specifically. In all honesty I haven't really considered a vote that isn't to save myself because I'd been expecting Epi to come in with an actual case that people would have just latched on to and bandwagoned me. I will go over my options at some point and think about it.

Face it if my vote was strong enough to save me yesterday I'd have just admitted as much. There'd be no reason for me to lie. Civs can buy votes too.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If you were a civvy, why would someone else manipulate the lynch so that llama would die and you would survive?

kneel4justice wrote:That's definitely not the result I expected.
And where from this reaction do you get the idea k4j knew what was going on?

Because me and him were the only ones to vote for Llama. I didn't do anything so he might have. Or there was a switch or something. I don't know. I'm pretty sure I'm being set up by the baddies but I have no idea why they'd go to so much effort. Plus it might have just been to kill Llama. Though again I don't know why they wouldn't just NK him.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You survived a lynch. That cannot be taken lightly.

Have you seen the amount of manipulations you can buy? For about 4,000 gold you can buy enough votes that all of ours together don't matter. I know I had nothing to do with my survival and I wish K4J hadn't been killed because I have a feeling he knows exactly why I survived.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
I took a look through Kyle's posts. Not once has he interacted with you. He did vote you yesterday, but even with a 5-2 lead in the polls (he put you up 4-2), you weren't lynched. You say that you don't know why you survived the lynch, or why llama took the brunt, but how often does a player survive a lynch without actually knowing what's going on? I do not believe you here. I have read your discussion with Epi today, but Epi was convinced you are Smaug (which is still a possibility).

So because we've never spoken at all there's a connection? As you point out, he was fourth to vote when Llama had 2. Meaning it was 3-2 at the time. He could've tied it up if I was his teammate. This late in the game you want all the surviving teammates you can get so your win comes quicker. I genuinely don't know how I survived. Look at the tone of my posts between the lynch end and the actual lynch post. I was expecting to die. My theory is K4J had a powerful vote, maybe because of his role or because he bought stuff. I don't know. Epi's belief I'm Smaug comes from literally nothing. He's admitted as much. That's my point. He thinks I might be Smaug because somebody definitely is. That is not a reason to vote for someone. It's not a case, it's not even a gut feeling. It's basically randomizing.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:You look back over all my poss and I doubt that the word agreeable is really one that can be used to describe them, lol.
I'm sure you're right, but I also know you listed Kyle as a player you didn't realize was still playing, because he's hardly posted. Tbh, I should say the same about you. I've hardly heard a peep from you before today, but I guess your flying under the radar is your style. It is something I would expect of a baddie (Kyle possibly), but the timing of your resurgence does not indicate baddie to me.

I could see Kyle as a teammate of Bullzeye.

You've probably realised from my exchange with Epi that if you're gonna throw something like that out then I expect you to back it up. So go on, how could you see me and Kyle as teammates?

Snow Dog wrote: I am acting as though i don't know what Epi is thinking. Which I don't. Neither do you. Regardless of posts. I don't post everything I think. probably he doesn't either.

Let me summarise this conversation. I said Epi hadn't explained where his belief I'm Smaug originally came from. You then said actually he made a big post about adverbs and stuff, which I pointed out came long after he originally said I was Smaug and only quoted posts I'd made since he first accused me, therefore meaning it couldn't be why he first suspected me. You then said I can't know for sure that it wasn't why he decided I was Smaug because I don't know what he's thinking. You are basically saying that I'm wrong for pointing out that there has been no discussion from Epig about why exactly he initially believed I'm Smaug when all he has said on the matter is that someone has to be. I really don't understand you here.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote: All of that came after he'd already decided I was Smaug. He has never explained where he originally pulled the idea out of *cough*his ass*cough* or why specifically he thinks that I'm Smaug rather than a baddie.
You cannot know when he decided what. You are not privy to his thoughts.
I can infer it based on his posts. He was saying I was Smaug all day before I made the posts he quoted in the post you referred to earlier. Most of the ones he quoted for that were made after the lynch, or near the end. He'd already been raving about me being Smaug. Therefore he'd already decided it and the post you are talking about had nothing to do with his original "suspicion".
You may suspect that but you can't know that. But maybe you are right because if he originally thought you a wood elf and then Smaug he obviously had you penned as some sort of "indie" role. I mean in a way "rogue" is indy.

You aren't making any sense now. The 'huge post about why I'm bad' that you're referring to contained exclusively posts that came after the day in which Epi accused me of being Smaug. Unless he's a time traveller there's no way any of them had any influence on his belief that I was Smaug. He had already said he believed that before I made any of the posts he used later. Epig has never explained what originally caused him to think I'm bad and I find it strange that you're acting as if he did.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote: All of that came after he'd already decided I was Smaug. He has never explained where he originally pulled the idea out of *cough*his ass*cough* or why specifically he thinks that I'm Smaug rather than a baddie.
You cannot know when he decided what. You are not privy to his thoughts.

I can infer it based on his posts. He was saying I was Smaug all day before I made the posts he quoted in the post you referred to earlier. Most of the ones he quoted for that were made after the lynch, or near the end. He'd already been raving about me being Smaug. Therefore he'd already decided it and the post you are talking about had nothing to do with his original "suspicion".

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
juliets wrote: Spacedaicy, i did not survive a lynch - i survived a NK.
Where is Epi saying Bullz is a wood elf?
He said last night that he used to think I was an Elf but that apparently that's not possible any more and now I'm definitely Smaug due to the infallible logic that 'someone has to be'.
He thinks your bad basically and he has stated why. He thinks of all he bads remaining you are Smaug.

That's what I think he's thinking.
He hasn't really said why. Llama said why. Epig just says I'm bad because he says so.
No....he had a huge post about why you were bad. Adverbs or adjectives or something

All of that came after he'd already decided I was Smaug. He has never explained where he originally pulled the idea out of *cough*his ass*cough* or why specifically he thinks that I'm Smaug rather than a baddie.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
juliets wrote: Spacedaicy, i did not survive a lynch - i survived a NK.
Where is Epi saying Bullz is a wood elf?
He said last night that he used to think I was an Elf but that apparently that's not possible any more and now I'm definitely Smaug due to the infallible logic that 'someone has to be'.
He thinks your bad basically and he has stated why. He thinks of all he bads remaining you are Smaug.

That's what I think he's thinking.

He hasn't really said why. Llama said why. Epig just says I'm bad because he says so.

juliets wrote: Spacedaicy, i did not survive a lynch - i survived a NK.
Where is Epi saying Bullz is a wood elf?

He said last night that he used to think I was an Elf but that apparently that's not possible any more and now I'm definitely Smaug due to the infallible logic that 'someone has to be'.

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I do what works?
See my previous post re: throwing out random crap to see what works. If you don't have anything to base a vote on or for me to defend against then I don't see why I should care what you think about my alignment. It would be pointless to continue this conversation.
Look, someone has to be Smaug. You're someone.
But you don't have any reason for why me over anyone else. For all I know you've literally randomized to find the person who you'd next push for a bandwagon on. You have explained nothing and given no reason for why anybody should vote for me so I don't know what you expect. I could say the exact same about you.
You could, but I'm not sure how you'd work this little tidbit into your narrative.

Look, someone has to be Smaug. You're someone.

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I do what works?
See my previous post re: throwing out random crap to see what works. If you don't have anything to base a vote on or for me to defend against then I don't see why I should care what you think about my alignment. It would be pointless to continue this conversation.
Look, someone has to be Smaug. You're someone.

But you don't have any reason for why me over anyone else. For all I know you've literally randomized to find the person who you'd next push for a bandwagon on. You have explained nothing and given no reason for why anybody should vote for me so I don't know what you expect. I could say the exact same about you.

Epignosis wrote:I do what works?

See my previous post re: throwing out random crap to see what works. If you don't have anything to base a vote on or for me to defend against then I don't see why I should care what you think about my alignment. It would be pointless to continue this conversation.

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Fixed previous post.

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:RIPIYWG K4J

Juliets do you know how you survived the lynch?

Bullz why K4J?
Really? You're really gonna be like that? Point me to this case that shows how I'm Smaug again? Oh yeah, there never was one. Epig just said it and somehow that means everyone has to believe it's true and follow along before any explanation comes. He's had over 24 hours of non-insanified time to explain his opinion and he still never has. So I really don't see how anyone can buy into it.
Look at the current list of living people. Show me how it's possible to prove anyone is the serial killer.
Exactly. So why are you so convinced I am when there's literally no reason to believe it and you know that?
In other words, you're saying that since no one can prove someone is Smaug, no one can accuse anyone of being Smaug.

Cool trick.

No, you're saying I'm definitely Smaug and need to get lynched while also admitting you can't prove it but expecting everyone to follow you.

I have no clue how I survived the lynch. I didn't expect to. I bet K4J might have known though. That might even be why he got killed.

Fixed previous post.

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:RIPIYWG K4J

Juliets do you know how you survived the lynch?

Bullz why K4J?
Really? You're really gonna be like that? Point me to this case that shows how I'm Smaug again? Oh yeah, there never was one. Epig just said it and somehow that means everyone has to believe it's true and follow along before any explanation comes. He's had over 24 hours of non-insanified time to explain his opinion and he still never has. So I really don't see how anyone can buy into it.
Look at the current list of living people. Show me how it's possible to prove anyone is the serial killer.

Exactly. So why are you so convinced I am when there's literally no reason to believe it and you know that?

Snow Dog wrote: You didn't notice the emoticon? Interesting reaction though.

I'm tired of people buying into the two ridiculous cases on me. Neither of them have any substance, Llama's was terrible and Epig's is basically non-existant.

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:RIPIYWG K4J

Juliets do you know how you survived the lynch?

Bullz why K4J?
Really? You're really gonna be like that? Point me to this case that shows how I'm Smaug again? Oh yeah, there never was one. Epig just said it and somehow that means everyone has to believe it's true and follow along before any explanation comes. He's had over 24 hours of non-insanified time to explain his opinion and he still never has. So I really don't see how anyone can buy into it.
Look at the current list of living people. Show me how it's possible to prove anyone is the serial killer.

Exactly. So why are you so convinced I am when there's literally no reason to believe it and you know that?

Snow Dog wrote:RIPIYWG K4J

Juliets do you know how you survived the lynch?

Bullz why K4J?

Really? You're really gonna be like that? Point me to this case that shows how I'm Smaug again? Oh yeah, there never was one. Epig just said it and somehow that means everyone has to believe it's true and follow along before any explanation comes. He's had over 24 hours of non-insanified time to explain his opinion and he still never has. So I really don't see how anyone can buy into it. He's probably just throwing out random crap to see what works.

Epignosis wrote:
I don't believe you. You were calling for llama's lynch (and mine). So why delete the PM when it could save your life?

I mean, math: You had 5 votes. thellama73 had 2, then + 3 ties it up. And you didn't think it would make a difference?

Lies.

I was expecting to get more votes. A couple of people missed it and I was assuming if they voted it would be for me.

CBK was Gandalf because of that? Huh?

Boogs
5
birdwithteeth11 (6), Captain Bunny Killer (10), Spacedaisy (11), Leamiteo (12), A Person (17) 29%

Boogs
7
Spacedaisy (3), Captain Bunny Killer (8), Leamiteo (10), A Person (12), insertnamehere (14), Lizzy (15), Snow Dog (24) 29%

By the same thinking, why couldn't Gandalf be Leamiteo or A Person?

They weren't though. The real Gandalf was Logan, who defended Boogs.

At one time I thought you were the Wood Elf King, but that can't be true now.

CBK was the most passionate about Boogs. I just put things together in my head and decided that perhaps she could be Gandalf. I'm not saying she was or Llama wasn't. Why did you think I was an Elf and why do you now think that can't be true?

You'll vote me anyway? Even though you've brought no case against me? Which is the respect apparently due you?

It doesn't matter who I vote for though so it doesn't really matter why I vote. I'm literally gonna hold my vote and throw it on anyone who might get lynched instead of me because at this point I don't think it will make a difference. At this point in the game I'm just having fun. I don't think I deserve to win so I'm not going to try. Instead I'm just going to enjoy watching the final pieces fall into play and having an active role in the endgame for better or worse. That's not to say I don't want to stay in the game. I do. I wouldn't object to winning. I just don't see a way out for me now, I've been pretty well set up.

As for why you are Smaug: That's a serial killer role. One with no team. One with no voting patterns. So how is one supposed to prove someone is a serial killer?

You find out.

I can't wait. I'm going to find this funny. Especially when I die and prove you wrong.

If you're bad, I don't want anything you have to say to matter. I hope you get lynched next.

You think you're being used as a pawn in someone else's plans, but you fail to tell us who those people are. Apparently it's either me or Gandalf.

Those people are the Goblins. Or maybe Smaug. I do think you had a good idea about him buying the Mayor. I'd have done it if I were him.

Hey Bullz- penny for your thoughts:

What role? And who are these people? Five of them voted for you.

The role which belongs to me. People in general. If they were good at guessing. I dunno who exactly. Are you trying to push me into infodumping?

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Okay seriously what the hell. I snuck in last night while I couldn't sleep to check the result and I have no idea what even just happened. I actually kinda thought CBK was Gandalf if not a baddie. I know nobody is probably going to care what I say in my defense now, I'm sure you all have your own assumptions you'll stick to, but I genuinely did not expect to survive that. I was planning to come in and make a sarcastic post congratulating you all on your genius lynch of the wrong person only to find I didn't even die. I do think I know what's going on though and I have a favour to ask:
No idea what even just happened though you do think you know what's going on. You going into politics now Bullz?

I don't know exactly why I survived or why Llama died. I bought a fake ballot thing (the +3 to your vote once) but then deleted the PM before Russti could read it because I didn't think it would be make a difference.

You thought "CBK was Gandalf, if not a baddie?" How do you think CBK was a very specific civilian role (with secrets) OR an evildoer? That's bizarrely specific, and nothing that I saw in any of your posts indicated that you thought CBK was Gandalf.

I thought she might be Gandalf because of the skipped night a while back. It came right after the first big bandwagon attempt on Boogs failed. I was thinking about what role might have had the power to do that and the simplest conclusion was Gandalf. I thought that maybe CBK had skipped the night to get another shot at lynching Boogs since she was so passionate about seeing him dead.

Guilty people tend to use adverbs more than innocent people. It isn't often that I provide insight into what guides my thinking in Mafia, but this is one thing. Adverbs are the nasty weeds of language. In most cases, they don't add anything. Bullzeye committed to using at least nine of them- nine of the weakest adverbs imaginable. That's nine counts of equivocation.

I've only just finished uni. I'm still used to padding out work to make it look like I've said more than I really did in order to meet word counts. This slips into all other written things including mafia posts I guess.

I misremembered about K4J but I thought he had at least once pointed out how bad Llama's argument was. That was what I was referring to.

You know, what I found especially ironic is that you clamored and pleaded for me to present evidence (even though I could not effectively communicate with more than four words), but all you've got about me and llama is that you'd "strongly advise" people to lynch one of us next (any order) and that you'd "bet actual money" that at least one of us was "bad as hell." No reason. No case. Just bitterness. And since thellama73 was lynched, I suppose your advice to everyone at this point is to lynch me next, since I'm the only one left of the pair.

Let's face it, it doesn't matter who I want lynched now. Maybe I'll vote you though anyway. You could still quote, and I asked you to quote things I'd said or done that made you think I was Smaug and you didn't. Llama's case against me was one of the worst put together cases I've ever seen. He first said I needed to die because I hadn't really been discussed, which is generally just unfair but also makes no sense. Then he picks up on two votes I made and acts as if they guarantee me to be bad even though he did the same, and claims I tried to save TH which is demonstrably untrue. Honestly I felt like he was a baddie scrambling to make a case for an easy setup. There was bitterness in there as well. I was pretty much only getting lynched because of you two and I don't feel like either of you have anything resembling a decent case against me.

Bullzeye wrote:Goblins or Smaug, whichever of you is not framing me right now, we all know what is going to happen tomorrow. I don't want to give whoever is setting me up the satisfaction of watching me make a desperate but futile attempt to defend myself. So I have a proposition. I'd like one of you to NK me tonight! This isn't a trick, I don't have any daggers or anything. I just want to throw a spanner in the works for whoever is doing all this. They'd never expect me to just go and die, it'd probably ruin all their plans! I think it'd be really funny.
So you're a civilian, but you'd rather be Night killed than lynched because... it would ruin someone's plans? What plans? If someone bad (presumably me, since llama turned up clean as Ilúvatar's fingers) is setting you up, wouldn't you rather be lynched so that person could be proven wrong?

It's more the fact I don't feel like anything I say from this point on will prevent me from being lynched next so I don't see the point wasting time on it. I'll elaborate on my theory when the game is over but basically I think I'm being used as a pawn in someone else's plans and I don't want to be so I'm asking anyone with a kill to point it at me. Not that they will, but I'm not likely to survive the next lynch anyway so it doesn't really matter what I say does it?

Bad News Bullz.
I hope you went broke breaking the back of the Llama.

Didn't cost me a penny. Either K4J has extra votes or someone switched the lynch. Either way I had nothing to do with it.

Also I'm voting to go round to the front and attack the dragon directly.

Okay seriously what the hell. I snuck in last night while I couldn't sleep to check the result and I have no idea what even just happened. I actually kinda thought CBK was Gandalf if not a baddie. I know nobody is probably going to care what I say in my defense now, I'm sure you all have your own assumptions you'll stick to, but I genuinely did not expect to survive that. I was planning to come in and make a sarcastic post congratulating you all on your genius lynch of the wrong person only to find I didn't even die. I do think I know what's going on though and I have a favour to ask:

Goblins or Smaug, whichever of you is not framing me right now, we all know what is going to happen tomorrow. I don't want to give whoever is setting me up the satisfaction of watching me make a desperate but futile attempt to defend myself. So I have a proposition. I'd like one of you to NK me tonight! This isn't a trick, I don't have any daggers or anything. I just want to throw a spanner in the works for whoever is doing all this. They'd never expect me to just go and die, it'd probably ruin all their plans! I think it'd be really funny.

I actually wish I was a baddie so I could've spent this time heeling it up and making vague scary threats or trying to be ominous/intimidating. Too bad I'm not and you all just lost an ally

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I defended myself against your completely unsupported ludicrous claims and Llama's hypocritical half-assed case. I had made points against Snow which still stood and brought up Daisy as someone who'd slid by under the radar for too long. I don't see why it should all be on me when the people accusing me didn't even bother to make real arguments.

I shouldn't have to provide an alternative, if that's what you're saying. There was literally no reason for anyone to follow you or Llama. Neither of you bothered to give any real reason for why people should vote for me. The forced case from Llama is a joke and you didn't have anything either, which will be proved as soon as Russti is able to write the lynch post.

fingersplints wrote:bullz what do you think about kitty/k4j?

I feel quite good about him actually. He's the only person in this game to point out the huge number of flaws in the 'cases' made against me. I hadn't really thought much at all of him until recently but now that he's the only person to have seen through the ridiculousness of this lynch I kinda trust him a little.

juliets wrote:I considered voting for myself but i think that's the same as voting for Bullz. I don't want to vote llama until I hear epig out about why he says don't vote him. I can see how Bullz could be bad I'm just not entirely convinced. I don't have anyone else in mind however that I'm any more convinced about so I've got to go with what I've got - vote Bullz. I'm sorry Bullz if you're good.

Llama - Epi - Juliets. Brazen baddies? With the numbers of players so low I could see a three person team with nothing much said against them yet getting cocky and being too obvious. One of them throws out a random name to lynch, another puts in half-assed reasons to support his conveniently insanified teammate, and when heat builds up on him the insane one defends him and the third acts as though she wants to wait to hear more about this defense before she could possibly commit to a vote for either one. Then they work through the last seven players hoping neutrals are still alive and able to side with them. If this is true I'm going to laugh sooooo hard.

Linki - I think this post sheds light. I really don't care I've gone full conspiracy theorist now. TH could have just been a distancing thing. Its been done before.

This whole lynch is actually ridiculous.

Seriously, lynch those two next. I'd bet actual money that at least one of them is as bad as hell.

Ugh great. I get lynched because Epig said to do it and Llama made a half-assed 'case'. Thanks guys! You're all wrong though.

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You've never even said why you think it. Let alone tried to prove it. Surely you can quote posts etc. to back it up but you never have.

Well with 8 minutes left to vote all I can say is lynching me would be a mistake and if you do it anyway I'd strongly advise lynching Epi and Llama next. Any order you like. Also look at others who voted me because the case being put forward is weak as hell and I can't believe people are even considering it.

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