The Syndicate

I totally recruited boogs on day one and we planned this whole scenario out together way back then!

LoRab wrote:Well, yes, some of this is avenging my teammate, sure. And you had tried to kill her earlier on, so I don't think you can argue it was end game strategy and a matter of survival. And I don't think it was good strategy at that point, but I digress. And sure, you've played a good game. All of us who have gotten this far have played a good game. We wouldn't be here if we hadn't.

@LC: If he's a recruit, it's for the other team. Galahad would have been our recruit, but he died before KNuk found him to recruit.

Sure but the second attempt was entirely survival. If she hadn't died I wouldn't have been able to win. Not that that matters now anyway. You've killed me. Or you've tried and I've killed you. We'll see.

Also Boogs is totally not my recruit. That would be the most hilarious distancing ever, plus he'd have voted for you yesterday. Unless he is my recruit and we've been distancing the whole time?

LoRab wrote:

Long Con wrote:That is the best course of action. I've been playing this role as Civvie all game, and if Lorab truly thinks the Civvies deserve to win this, then she will do them a favour and kill Bullzeye tonight.

I honestly won't believe it until I see it though. I can see two endgame plans for Lorab both of which involve faith in someone. She can kill Bullz and hope that Boogs will vote against me tomorrow, then kill him and win... Or she can kill Boogs tonight and give me the choice between two baddies to win with, having faith that I would choose her over Bullzeye.

I think, out of all of us, Boogs has struggled the most and deserves the win the most. If Lorab truly believes that, then she will bow out gracefully and kill Bullzeye tonight. I just don't know that all the fight is gone out of her, or if she's just faking it. I guess we'll see in about 9 hours.

I'd rather see the civies win over the other baddies, yes, especially with Bullz's last several posts. And if I went back on my word and killed boogs, I don't think you'd take my side.

@Bullz: The game wasn't stolen from you. You just assumed that things would work out in a way that they didn't. And, although we haven't had a successful kill since night 7, I wouldn't call our team a non-entity. I've fought hard to get this far. I'll fight my hardest tomorrow.

Now that I've discussed having a deflect you can kill Boogs and blame it on me I just don't think it's fair for you to keep saying I don't deserve it at all when in my opinion I deserve it the most and I'm not the one who was infodumping. I've never won as a living baddie and have played this game better than any other. If I'd sucked I'd be the first to say so.

If this is because I killed Canuck, you have to realise that that was in self defense. If I hadn't I'd have lost anyway. So you can't complain about me doing it. If I even did it. Who says I'm bad? Have you seen my role yet? Maybe I've taken a lesson from the Made school of survival.

Boogs wrote:Bullzeye you are going nuts lol. And i do deserve it. I didnt fake info dump. I will elaborate when the game isover, and i also didnt info dump because i said i thought people were good or bad or whatever. If i had dumped i would have said how i knew something or directly called someone out on being bad. Me throwing out how i felt about JC being Civ and not to vote her or Dana or to vote you becsuse i thought you were bad and etc wasnt dumping. I didnt have votes to get you out so that is why i went back oj not pushing harder on you. Ive played an excellent game and fought hard. My only regret was lying for the fake curse to get attention to not get enough votes earlier to get you our before JC.and Dana died.

Your whole attack thing while I was silenced was flat out infodumping. Or would have been if you'd had any info. If you call your play this game excellent then I'd hate to see what you consider poor. Bear in mind I'm mostly trolling now since I know I've already lost but I do genuinely think you don't deserve to win and will actually be disappointed if you do. This isn't Bullzeye the baddie trying to wind people up, this is real. For the first half of the game you didn't even take part. You pushed hard against me because you thought you had info (and I know what you knew, you didn't know I was bad) and then when you got told off for infodumping you acted like you'd not meant any of it but then consistently hinted at info for the rest of the game anyway. If I do have a kill deflect, I've already PMed it in and it's pointing at you. Or Lorab. Or LC. If I have one.

I'm not going nuts, I'm having fun. Considering the game has been stolen from me, I think I'm entitled to. I totally deserved to win this and tbh it pissed me off when Lorab was saying I didn't. Like her team was basically a non-entity for most of the game but I'm the one who doesn't deserve the win despite being alone most of the game and getting through by myself?

The truth is, I can only die in months that don't have an R in their name, so if you want me dead you May have to wait a while!

If I did happen to have a deflect, I'd point it at Boogs for fun. Or would I? Find out live! Tonight, presumably sometime around 11/12 GMT! Only on The Syndicate!

I'd also like to ask how exactly the civs deserve to win. Is it because eight in a row (not counting indy MP and neutral SVS) all made themselves super easy to lynch? Is it how easily they were all distracted by the drama surrounding Made even when it became obvious what his role was and allowed the real baddies to all slip by undetected? Is it all the info they happily threw around? If the civs had played such a good game there wouldn't only be one or two left. Maybe I'm actually a civ and have an NK deflect that I really want to use before the game ends? Maybe I just have a deflect regardless of my role? It'd certainly explain why I've suddenly started egging you on to kill me, wouldn't it?

LoRab wrote:I'm not killing you tonight boogs, don't worry. I am keeping my word.

And you don't have to answer if you don't want to, Bullz. But I am curious how others would play this out.

To be fair it's pretty obvious. Does one of the four remaining players in the game know how he survived the very first attempt on his life? See if I'll survive another. I dare you. Maybe I'm just goading you into wasting your kill tonight. Maybe LC is the way to go. Maybe you should stab Boogs in the back like a real baddie would, it'd serve him right for falling for the blatant flattery. Maybe I'm trying to wind you up so you'll kill me but I'll survive. As long as there is fun in this world I will endure. To kill me you have to send in my name three times under a full moon then sacrifice a giraffe to the local zoo. That might do the trick.

Turn the kill on yourself. It'd be hilarious. Or kill Boogs, because a promise from a baddie means nothing and he needs to learn that. LC seems to think you've tried and failed to kill him already but you could always give it another go if he's wrong. Try sending in the kill for Roxy or DP and seeing what happens.

Boogs wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Calm down Boogs, she's probably already killed me. She doesn't actually think you deserve to win though, nobody does. She was just trying to keep you on her side so you would let her win.

I beg to differ and I do deserve to win. Ive fought the hardest this game and have survived both teams trying to get me out all game. I also have made mistakes but still am here at the end. It's either you or LC that is the other baddie but I figured out days ago it was LC who is Indy and you're the one who has been lying and tried to throw me under the bus when i figured out you were bad. I kept you to gain your vote to try to squash the other bad team and now it's time for you to go Bullz. Sorry buddy.

Nah. You didn't figure out I was bad, you got vague info which you dumped all over the thread in a bid to screw me over. You've been infodumping from the moment you decided to stop being part of the furniture and actually start playing. Then when you started playing all you did was act like you knew everything and everyone ought to trust you indefinitely and latch onto your every word. You haven't fought at all, you haven't even been able to die until recently so you could have just coasted through. You didn't 'keep' me, one man's vote alone isn't enough to lynch someone. Thankfully you discredited yourself so many times that I didn't even need to try. You've been a terrible civ and don't deserve to win. Dana deserved it, I would have let her survive til the end. JC, she kind of earned it but even at the end I thought she was bad. Plus that voting block needed to go regardless. I'm sorry but you most definitely do not deserve to win. You won't anyway though.

My team deserved to win. We're the only team who deserved to win. We got shafted from the first night and have struggled throughout. You tried to screw me over with your not even real infodumping and ultimately fell for Lorab shoving her head up your ass to get you on her side. She'll just lynch you tomorrow and I bet if I hadn't survived she'd have killed you tonight regardless of what she says. The whole 'civs deserve to win' was an act, you'll see. She will turn on you as soon as it's convenient.

Calm down Boogs, she's probably already killed me. She doesn't actually think you deserve to win though, nobody does. She was just trying to keep you on her side so you would let her win.

LoRab wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Pfft, I guess I'm being NKed tonight then! You're in luck Boogs! For now.

Did you know you'd survive the lynch?

Why should I bother to waste my time answering this? I don't really care whether or not you actually want the answer. Don't pretend you haven't already killed me.

Pfft, I guess I'm being NKed tonight then! You're in luck Boogs! For now.

LoRab wrote:I didn't say there weren't recruitments--I said that it wasn't one big massive baddie team that recruits everyone.

And 2 reasons about baddies killing baddies. 1 is honor among thieves. 2 is I think it's poor strategy to have killed her. Had they kept KNuck around, they could have had 2 more lynches with focus completely on other people.

And I do mean it. I think the civs deserve it over the other baddie team. I'm willing to work with them. And I keep my promises in mafia games. I'm noble like that.

Except at this point it makes perfect sense for baddies to kill baddies. There's no such thing as honour among thieves. It's kill or be killed, adapt or perish, survival of the fittest. I think you're just annoyed that losing Canuck could have cost you the game. That's the only reason you're saying the civs deserve a win while at the same time lynching one. I fully expect you to kill Boogs tonight, nobility is a poor trait in a baddie.

Okay I hadn't read that the front page now confirms two teams and also that Galahad can be recruited. Still, I'm on neither team. Seriously everyone else has basically claimed a role. Why would I deny that I'm bad at this point, especially when I'm 50/50 to die anyway? You say the civs deserve to win Lorab but with the way you've played Boogs into throwing our game away you clearly don't mean it.

LoRab wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

LoRab wrote:Thank you, Boogs. I really am being honest here. I will not kill you tonight.

@LC: The other team killed my teammate. Of course I don't want them to win.

But if there really is another team then haven't you killed some of their teammates too? Fair is fair. I still believe it's just one team with the capability to recruit.

Boogs wrote:If Bullzeye doesnt show up bad then LC was lying and isnt Indy and killed Canuck. However, if you do survive Lorab I ask you spare us and we do the lynch for endgame tomorrow to play out the best winner. I'm sorry LC, I know that Bullz has sworn up and down he's not bad but I have to put into action to win and i havent lynched him to further my game until now.

I will not show up bad. The game will end tonight with a baddie victory thanks to your vote. You say you haven't lynched me to 'further your game' which suggests you've always known deep down I'm a civ and have wanted me to survive because my death would reflect badly on you, so I'm not sure why this has changed now unless you really are recruited as LC has suggested. If you're still civ, we would have won together if you'd just voted LoRab. I strongly advise trying to change your vote if the hosts will allow you to, since I know how important winning is to you. Lorab has promised not to kill you but promises from a baddie mean nothing. I can't believe how easily she tricked you. The most decent, honest, and trustworthy people outside mafia can still be cutthroat and dangerous in the game.

There are 2 baddie teams.

And yes, but we killed them on nights 1 and 3. We had no clue they were bad.

And I keep my promises. I won't kill boogs tonight. And the game won't end if I die this round. There is another baddie team left. You are sounding more and more like a desperate baddie, by the way. Trying to convince everyone that I'm the only baddie left in the room and that there's one big, bad recruiting mafia team. What it really sounds like is you want me gone so you can get my kill.

But still, why shouldn't baddies kill baddies? Especially so close to the end when everyone wants to win. Why is saying there are recruits such a crazy thing when we've seen one? We know at least one role can be recruited, why not more? Galahad was searching for a baddie role. What if he could have been a traitor? What if you and your pals went around corrupting knights of the round table or something? I'm not desperate, I've stopped caring. Boogs has dug my grave but he'll be buried right next to me so really he's only hurting himself at this point.

I'm sure in real life you'd go out of your way to keep a promise, though hopefully you don't find yourself promising not to kill people on a regular basis. If I were you though, I'd kill Boogs tonight as his reward for giving you the game. I'd find it funny. If you don't kill him then you risk not winning. Why wouldn't you take the win when it's basically in your hand? Most would.

LoRab wrote:Thank you, Boogs. I really am being honest here. I will not kill you tonight.

@LC: The other team killed my teammate. Of course I don't want them to win.

But if there really is another team then haven't you killed some of their teammates too? Fair is fair. I still believe it's just one team with the capability to recruit.

Boogs wrote:If Bullzeye doesnt show up bad then LC was lying and isnt Indy and killed Canuck. However, if you do survive Lorab I ask you spare us and we do the lynch for endgame tomorrow to play out the best winner. I'm sorry LC, I know that Bullz has sworn up and down he's not bad but I have to put into action to win and i havent lynched him to further my game until now.

I will not show up bad. The game will end tonight with a baddie victory thanks to your vote. You say you haven't lynched me to 'further your game' which suggests you've always known deep down I'm a civ and have wanted me to survive because my death would reflect badly on you, so I'm not sure why this has changed now unless you really are recruited as LC has suggested. If you're still civ, we would have won together if you'd just voted LoRab. I strongly advise trying to change your vote if the hosts will allow you to, since I know how important winning is to you. Lorab has promised not to kill you but promises from a baddie mean nothing. I can't believe how easily she tricked you. The most decent, honest, and trustworthy people outside mafia can still be cutthroat and dangerous in the game.

Anyway, I have lectures and possibly the pub after to go to. If I should die before I return, GG. I forgive you for losing us the game Boogs

Boogs wrote:Not necessarily. I think I know what I am doing if the tie makes you die today.

And what is that? Getting NK'ed by LoRab or getting lynched by her? You realise that by accepting the word of an admitted(!) baddie, you are accepting what could easily be a pack of lies. It's all baddies do. We know she's bad. She could be lying about everything, Canuck's death could have been a switch/deflect, there could be just one team with the ability to recruit. There was at least one SK around at the beginning and SVS' power involved reflecting abilities pointed at her. I just can't believe you fell for her blatant flattery. I thought better of you. The whole 'civs deserve to win' thing is an act. She wants to win. She doesn't want us to. She is not your ally, she is your enemy and you know it. If we'd been playing best it wouldn't have taken us 11 days to lynch a baddie and she knows it. I just hope luck (or the LORB) is on my/our side today. I believe we can still pull this off if I survive and the game doesn't simply end.

Boogs wrote:Wow this exploded fast! Honestly this sounds crazy, but Lorab is right. She just admitted to being bad. If I dont lynch Bulzeye or LC today if they are a possible team, I can't win this game and will be outnumbered if I dont die tonight. I've suspected they are on a team, but think LC is Indy. Just to be safe, I need to break them up today. I'm sorry Bullzeye, i know we haven't seen eye to eye this game but to further my game and win this thing finally, I've got to vote you out today to put me in the best place to win. I know you are going to be upset, but it's my best shot to make sure you and LC aren't really teammates and I survive the next day.

Dude you realise you may have just given the game to LoRab? I've been on your side this whole time and you never accepted that, and now you're actually willing to pay the price and lose the game. You'll possibly discover your mistake soon enough. I know you play to win so I'm surprised you've gone this way. Your best hope now is that a tie flips in my favour and she dies. I had hoped you wouldn't fall for her flattery and begging and I'm sorry you did.

Also if me and LC were a team you'd have lost anyway. If I was indy I'd be working with the civs. She'll NK you tonight if she survives this, I can almost promise you. Congratulations, you've given the game to the baddies.

Regardless of whether or not you really think the civs have played a better game (I don't and I am one! Notice how I keep saying that even now), you must still want to win. Your whole argument revolves around Boogs not voting for you and then you promising not to kill him, but even if that did happen and you really didn't kill anyone at night, there'd be three left during the day. Your and Boogs' misguided alliance would lynch the third person and you'd kill Boogs to win. We know for a fact you're bad. You're the only person we can say that of, even if you hadn't admitted it it would be obvious. Better to lynch the devil you know. This conversation is just going round in circles now so I only hope that Boogs is smart enough to make the right choice for once in this game.

Unlike you, I do want a civ win. It's why I've voted for you. Boogs never had info on me and he knows it. I actually went to the hosts to ask why he was pushing info he didn't have and whether that was actually allowed.

Nobody is questioning your integrity. I do question whether you think I'm stupid. If there are two baddies left, regardless of their individual alignments, one has won and you want to be that one. What you are doing now is trying to butter up Boogs so he won't vote for you. I don't see why else you'd be so adamant that the civs deserve to win when you even admit you aren't one.

I'm going to try to go back to bed as I have insomnia and a busy day tomorrow but I hope boogs does the right thing and doesn't fall for your obvious pandering.

If there's definitely another baddie then it would have to be LC I guess but there's no guarantee another team exists. Canuck could have died to a redirect and you could just be using that as evidence of two teams. It doesn't matter anyway. Boogs needs to vote you and then if the game isn't over we'll know you were right. Either way if there are two teams the civs have already lost and you're just trying to make sure it isn't your team in third place.

LoRab wrote:I have no lives left. I'm playing for what I think is right.

Bullzeye wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'm not denying that I'm left on one team. But I am certain that there is another team. Why just let them win?

You conveniently leave out that not lynching you today means you win, according to your own belief about the alignments of who is left. It's a very self-serving theory.

No, because I'll still be in the minority. I can't win. I've accepted that. But at this point I'd rather see the civies win than the other baddies--I think they've played a better game.

After the way boogs has played his role he most certainly doesn't deserve a win imo. But regardless, if he lets you live today you'll kill tonight and it will be 1v1 with you probably winning. You're wrong about everything regardless but stop acting all noble, you're just making a last, desperate attempt at winning.

So you're admitting you're bad? Not lynching me today means I live another day. If I'm not lynched, I'll go with whomever I am told for the kill. Or skip the kill.

I have no chance at winning. I know that. But I think the civs have played a more noble game and I'd rather give them the win than the other baddies.

Nope. Not a baddie. Just someone who got unfairly fake infodumped against after your team had silenced me. You have every chance of winning and you know it. Nobody is falling for this.

Long Con wrote: You would have tried to win with baddies who aren't on your baddie team? Is that even possible?

So far you've been unlynchable. I guess this means that your nine lives are up. Or does it? If you will survive even one more kill, then Boogs voting where you want him to today won't mean a Civvie win, it will mean your win.

Exactly. I hope boogs sees through the act. This is all for his benefit now. As if she'd really forgo her kill and throw in the towel like that.

LoRab wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'm not denying that I'm left on one team. But I am certain that there is another team. Why just let them win?

You conveniently leave out that not lynching you today means you win, according to your own belief about the alignments of who is left. It's a very self-serving theory.

No, because I'll still be in the minority. I can't win. I've accepted that. But at this point I'd rather see the civies win than the other baddies--I think they've played a better game.

After the way boogs has played his role he most certainly doesn't deserve a win imo. But regardless, if he lets you live today you'll kill tonight and it will be 1v1 with you probably winning. You're wrong about everything regardless but stop acting all noble, you're just making a last, desperate attempt at winning.

LoRab wrote:I'm not denying that I'm left on one team. But I am certain that there is another team. Why just let them win?

You conveniently leave out that not lynching you today means you win, according to your own belief about the alignments of who is left. It's a very self-serving theory.

LoRab wrote:Well that, I expected.

Sure, you expected the one that doesn't leave you responsible for the death of a civvie. But Dana's death was totally nothing to do with you. I see.

LoRab wrote:Both is venture to guess. Frame me and kill a civ without having to use an nk. Plus it keeps the focus on it their team for yet another day. It might not be what you would do, but that doesn't mean pone would do it.

And lose a lynch switch. A super valuable weapon at the best of times, pretty much a godsend if you've still got one at endgame. You just don't waste those. Someone might, but seriously there are so few people left now that you can't really predict how anything will go. I've never known anyone who, as a baddie so close to winning, would take such a risk. Would you? I think you're more careful than that. I think you'd keep hold of a switch only to save yourself or a teammate and buy another day.

Boogs wrote:Bullz makes a good point. Why waste a lynch switch on you to frame you when you would be dying anyway and they wouldnt care if you were Civ anyway. They could have taken out Dana or me or whoever at night.

Exactly. The baddies have a kill. If they want someone dead they use their kill. That's like the first lesson of being a baddie. If they want two people dead and one is about to get lynched, they'd call that good luck and take out their other enemy the next night. They wouldn't pull off an elaborate scheme using their possibly best defense in order to kill their other enemy first.


Linki - then who was pone?

Also, which is it? Were the baddies trying to frame you or kill Dana? Because if they wanted you to die they could have just let you get lynched then NK Dana without using their biggest gun and risking their own neck(s) later on. I'm sorry but it's just too obvious what's gone on. If there had been more people left in the game... maybe, but at this point nobody is going to be using abilities like a switch to do anything but save themselves.

LoRab wrote:Because baddies have never framed someone before. Right.

I think someone switched the lynch to kill Dana, not to save me.

I'm not bad. I didn't switch the lynch. I didn't have someone else switch the lynch for me.

I didn't "turn" on you--I realized that boogs, whom I now understand to be civ, may have been onto something all along.

With six (at the time) people left, and the game sitting on the edge of a knife for all parties, why would anyone use a lynch switch to save anyone but themselves or a teammate? If this hypothetical evil wanted Dana dead so badly they could have just NKed her. If you're not aligned with the person who switched the lynch (and I'm assuming they're bad because Dana was clearly not) then they'd benefit just as much from your death as hers.

LoRab wrote:Or someone else to make me look bad, or get attention off them. I don't know.

At any rate, I'm going to use occam's razor to assume Boogs is in fact civ based on Dana's posts, now that we know her role. And trust that he might actually know what he's talking about with Bullz. And apologize for being totally off on him this game--I look forward to hearing what the frig he was up to.

Since I know LC is wrong about me, I'm not going to blindly follow him on a vote for KNuk. Nor do I know that he's good (still think he is, but who knows these days).

I'm voting Bullz.

Funny how you turn on me as soon as I suggest voting for you again. Yes Boogs is probably civ but I've already explained time and time again how he clearly doesn't have info. The thing is, pretty much everybody voted for you yesterday. So none of us would have switched that lynch. The only people who didn't want you dead are you and Canuck. That sort of suggests it's one of the two of you who switched it, and why would it be her? Not to mention a civ most definitely wouldn't have switched the lynch to Dana.

*Votes LoRab*

LoRab wrote:Why does the switch of my lynch make me look bad?

How wouldn't it? Dana was a fairly obvious civ, IMO, so I don't see why anyone but a baddie would switch the lynch to her.

RIP nobody. Dana's death yesterday has made some things clearer to me, even though her dying still doesn't really make sense. Not sure where to go today though. Perhaps LoRab again? Her lynch switch does not make her look good at all.

Since Canuck is busy with life and so unlikely to be around, I'm likely to be the last to vote, so I'll do that now in hope we might get an early ending to the day. It seems pretty universally believed that LoRab is bad so I'll trust in the collective consciousness of everyone and go there with my vote.

Boogs wrote:So to clarify, I told you JC was not a good idea and you see why.
Bullz I didn't say I knew or anything about Bea, I THOUGHT just as i THOUGHT you could be good, but obviously things get hazy in this game if that suffices.

Dana To answer you YES. And ty for you support.

And Lorab you are definitely the most suspicious and need to go. I think I've narrowed down Bullz as Indy or Baddie, LC as Indy, Dana as Civ, Canuck idk, and Lorab as baddie. So Lorab will suffice as my top suspect and with LC helping us with votes as Indy, I think we can vote Lorab out today. I hope Bullz changes his ways and agrees.

No. Deny it all you like but you have at several points acted as though you have access to extra information and even outright claimed to at times. Using these claims and hints, you then go around saying you know this or that, or that you're 100% sure x is a particular role and expect people to believe that you know for sure. See even here you act as if you knew who JC was but in the same breath admit you didn't actually know anything about Bea or myself even though before that you had acted as if you did. I just don't see why anyone should trust you. I'm not going to vote you immediately today but I might still do it anyway. I'd like to hear arguments as to why you shouldn't die that don't involve anybody claiming to innately know anyone else's alignment.

Dana wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

juliets wrote:Well, he's right - I'm not bad. But I'm not wanting to talk at night anymore in this game. Dana, if you can find something you think I have not explained then please bring it up and I will do so after night ends.

The only way he knows if you're bad or good is if he has btsc with you. He's just guessing but acting like he knows.

This is untrue. There are other ways to know if someone is good or bad.

Yes, he has often acted like he has info but I know for a fact he doesn't. Even the rest of you guys have proof in that he said Bea was a civ. He seemed pretty confident LC was bad but has revised that too. Seriously, all he is doing is guessing and acting like he knows for sure.

juliets wrote:He does not have bts with me. I don't have any idea how he knows but he know.

He knew Bea was civ too. Look how that work out. He 'knows' I'm bad. If he ever actually gets me lynched you'll see again how little he knows. If you're actually a civ, one out of three ain't bad still isn't good enough.

Linki - I see you were a civ. Sorry to see you go. Still, see my previous comment regarding how good one out of three is.

juliets wrote:Well, he's right - I'm not bad. But I'm not wanting to talk at night anymore in this game. Dana, if you can find something you think I have not explained then please bring it up and I will do so after night ends.

The only way he knows if you're bad or good is if he has btsc with you. He's just guessing but acting like he knows.

Boogs wrote:Dana I would NOT lynch JC because she's not bad. Please don't start distrusting me. The reason I didn't suggest LC is because of the in between the lines exchange between he and JC makes me think he's Indy which like I said, I thought he was Indy or Baddie. With the surviving, it could be his role or A lynch save attempt, idk. But I do think he could be Indy now and if he wants to help, then I'm all for it because we need the votes. On the flip side, Lorab saying she "had to vote me" is a lie. When LC and Myself were the ones it was a tie against. She was blending in and I think she or Bullz should be considered for tomorrow. Hopefully,new get some more insight after the night to help us figure it out.

She's not bad? In the same way that you were 100% sure Bea wasn't? The opposite to how you claimed to 'know' I'm bad? Good to hear. I'm sure we'll all definitely take your superior knowledge into consideration

Dana wrote:Bullz, what do you think about Juliets?

She was my prime suspicion early on for her blendiness and the fact she was very unwilling to jump into the Llama/Made debate to the point she seemed annoyed at being asked for her perspective. I thought she got pretty defensive about it when called out but then there wasn't much support for a JC lynch and she sort of dropped off my radar but I do still think she has recently been trying to buddy up to you and Boogs, which also catches my eye.

Dana wrote:

Boogs wrote:LC if what you say is true, then I understand you aren't bad. However, it still leaves Bullz on my list. Im trying to consider what's left. Lorab's vote for me VS you stood out to me for her needing Civs dead. How do you and everyone else feel about Lorab tomorrow maybe?

So you say you felt 100% about LC but he had a lynch save so now he's not bad? That is very suspicious, Boogs. Why do you keep going back and forth on people so much? I'm hesitant now to blindly accept your 100% about Juliets too.

I would comment on this but I'm pretty sure everyone knows what I'd have to say. Boogs has never been anything but untrustworthy.

Nope. I can't change my vote either.

Dana wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dana wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:The thing about Boogs is that if by some random happenstance he actually is civ, he's still not a very good one. You can't ignore the blatant lies like the fake curse, or how he claimed info on me (saying he knew I was bad and repeatedly hinting at info, which I alone know isn't true. He also vouched for Bea, a known baddie). I don't really believe that he is a civ because his behaviour throughout the game has been the opposite of civ-friendly.

I'm not going to comment on how good of a civ he is, but like I said before, I totally see where you're coming from. If I didn't know the things I do, I would be right there voting with you. But I can't just ignore information and lynch someone who at least was a civ, and most likely/most logically still is one.

Well we know there has been one recruit, why not another? Makes sense in my opinion. Boogs was relatively normal until about halfway through the game. Also, how do you feel about the way JC is talking to you lately about how you both supposedly have info? I thought it was weird to begin with but since you don't seem to know what she's talking about it seems even stranger, like she's trying to somehow get on your good side or something.

I'm not denying that there's probably another recruit, but I have a good reason to believe that it's not Boogs, because I don't think the baddies would waste a kill so near the end of the game just to gain some trust when I already trust him. And that's also assuming that they would know that I would know, which I doubt is what's happening, so I do think he's still good. I'm unsure about JC, but I trust Boogs and Boogs trusts JC, so I guess I trust her by extension. But then again he trusted Bea too. What do you think about LoRab and Canuck (LC's main suspects)?

I don't understand what you mean about the kill? I think I distrust JC because she's always been someone at the back of my mind throughout the game, I keep coming back to her and brushing it off or forgetting every now and then. LoRab and Canuck are actually two people I've been thinking of as civ for the majority of the game. I'm generally less sure about everyone now because the people I think might be good and the people I think might be bad don't add up. I could see one of those two possibly being bad but I'm not sure both are. LC is suspicious of them for the same reason, right? I don't think two baddies on a team would both use the same very noticeable tactic. I don't trust Boogs at all as you know. Since I know he has claimed info he doesn't really have, even if your trust in him is accurate I still won't trust him myself and don't think others ought to follow him so readily. As you point out, he trusted Bea. He's not infallible.

Linki - I'm not twisting anything. The way I read your posts seemed like you were saying to Dana that you had the same knowledge she claims to have about Boogs. If you think Boogs is civ why do you only trust Dana?

Dana wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:The thing about Boogs is that if by some random happenstance he actually is civ, he's still not a very good one. You can't ignore the blatant lies like the fake curse, or how he claimed info on me (saying he knew I was bad and repeatedly hinting at info, which I alone know isn't true. He also vouched for Bea, a known baddie). I don't really believe that he is a civ because his behaviour throughout the game has been the opposite of civ-friendly.

I'm not going to comment on how good of a civ he is, but like I said before, I totally see where you're coming from. If I didn't know the things I do, I would be right there voting with you. But I can't just ignore information and lynch someone who at least was a civ, and most likely/most logically still is one.

Well we know there has been one recruit, why not another? Makes sense in my opinion. Boogs was relatively normal until about halfway through the game. Also, how do you feel about the way JC is talking to you lately about how you both supposedly have info? I thought it was weird to begin with but since you don't seem to know what she's talking about it seems even stranger, like she's trying to somehow get on your good side or something.

juliets wrote:The thing about recruits is just because one mafia team has one it doesn't mean a second mafia team has one as well. Usually you balance a recruit with stronger powers for the people on the other team because they have one less person. I tend to lean more toward two teams because with 25 people and a ratio of 1/3 mafia that would come out to enough for two teams. Also, in many games if there are two teams and they draw down to like one member of one team and 2 members of the other the hosts will combine them into one team giving them both night kills. There is just so much unknown here I don't know what to think.

Dana, I think we each have one piece of evidence known to us and no one else about Boogs being good. You say you know him to be good which could just be something you say so we will believe with you, and I say he is good because he is 100% right with my alignment which only I know to be true. As I think about it though, even though each of our pieces of evidence are unverifiable by anyone else we don't have similar info on any of the other players. This brings me to decide to trust that Boogs is good. The thing I'm still bothered by is he is saying he "feels" he is 100% sure of LC and Bullz which is different from the way he expressed the 100% certainty about me. There was no "feels" in it. So I'm still going around and around. Are you feeling any more clear on which way to go for a vote? Whichever way we go I think we ought to go that way together, but my feeling at the moment is to just toss a coin in the air. I'm certainly not pressuring you to vote my way because my way is so unclear, but I am interested in what direction you feel you are going in.

The thing about Boogs is that if by some random happenstance he actually is civ, he's still not a very good one. You can't ignore the blatant lies like the fake curse, or how he claimed info on me (saying he knew I was bad and repeatedly hinting at info, which I alone know isn't true. He also vouched for Bea, a known baddie). I don't really believe that he is a civ because his behaviour throughout the game has been the opposite of civ-friendly.

Boogs wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Great response. You got caught out on the curse thing and have clearly still not come up with a believable new excuse.

I pray LC goes so he can show up bad and everyone can be convinced you're his teammate and get you next. I'm so tired of you sliding through the cracks every lynch when it's been days and you're sliming around. I want to win this game already and get you both out.

That's an awfully strange response to me pointing out that you still haven't told the truth about something suspicious you did once.

Great response. You got caught out on the curse thing and have clearly still not come up with a believable new excuse.

Boogs wrote:I'm not lying. Let's vote LC and see what he shows up as then wen an clarify who YOU are when I keep suggesting you too are incahoots baddies. You vote me every lynch to be non committal and blendy and refuse to vote LC. You also aren't afraid because you know if I wanted you dead and if I were truly bad, you would be. So you feel comfortable. LC has been Blendy and distancing from you and has also proven his allegiance with the last lynch. "let's me vote Bea last and 'prove' I am civ because she's my teammate and I want to throw her under the bus last second to prove it!". He totally outed himself with the vote then by mentioning my name to try to sway me since people are trusting me to try to vote out someone besides himself today. I see through your plot.

If you're not lying why did you fake that curse? Your team wouldn't kill me because if I got NKed it would prove I wasn't bad and discredit you. I don't think we can change votes this time but even if we could I wouldn't as I'm convinced you're bad. It's not just because you tried to push me out while I was silenced. It's because of a combination of all the lies and misdirection that have been coming from you for ages now. I'd argue I'm the very opposite of non committal and blendy. I'm very committed to seeing you lynched and have pointed out many times the strong case against you. I don't even mind that your team will probably kill me the next night.

Boogs wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Funny how you said Bea was definitely civ and then she turned out to be the role responsible for silencing me when you pushed your "case" against me.

How would you know that Bea silenced you? Her role has not been revealed on the first page.

Because when I was silenced I was told the name of the role that silenced me.

Oh Bullzeye is info dumping..lol.

Bullzeye when the game is over i can express my role and everything else that has happened but until then, you can keep calling me a liar and expressing I have this super crazy strategy to make up info all game. I'm not a liar but if I was, I would be a pretty little liar

It's hardly infodumping when everyone who has been silenced knows it and Bea's role will be on the front page soon anyway.

You blatantly are a liar. You've even admitted to lying. The fake curse was a lie and then you even lied about why you lied. While I was silenced, and shortly after, you made massive hints about me as if you had info going as far as to say you knew I wasn't a civ. That was a lie.