The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:And the Celestials were divided over Zomba. I felt SVS got a bad rap for what she said in the thread after reading the will, she was still suspicious of Zomba but was defending her from BF's wrongful accusation, but no one really saw it like that. I was the one who pointed out in celestial chat that the will didn't expressly say the owner of it was wealthy, so it didn't sound like it implied a specific role for Zomba at all. So I thought BF had read way too much into the will's contents. And he had, even though he turned out to be right :P

So SVS pointed out in the thread what the will really said, but she was actually still suspicious of Zomba's reaction to it. It was Golden and I who thought Zomba could still be civ based on her reaction. Since I disagreed with BF's interpretation of the will, I felt inclined to trust Zomba a bit more.

Technically BF was only barely right. Zomba wasn't the millionaire, the will wasn't info, he read too much into it and the fact the will named a baddie at all was purely coincidental. For the record, I'd have said all the things I said even if the will didn't name a baddie and even if I wasn't bad myself.

Golden wrote:Oh, and I do understand why you killed the celestials - but no matter how justified it was, I think it was the thing that cost you the game. Not just killing us, but the constant everything on us... silences etc. We had no choice but to go after you. Actually, our interests were in taking out those civilians who could steal stuff from us.

Oh well, these things happen. I mourn not for SVS's loss, because she did us proud.

FWIW I don't like that I silenced TH three times. When I usually have silencing roles, I don't silence the same person more than once unless there's a good reason. I did it here because my team felt it was the best tactical approach to bringing down our enemies. We basically viewed the Celestials as civs and didn't even consider the idea you'd be interested in winning with us.

Dom wrote: So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

S~V~S wrote:So did ours. Which was why the baddie strategy of NKing the people leading lynches on civvies baffled us Lol.

I genuinely don't understand how nobody else seemed to realise who you all were. If I'd been a civ I'd have suspected people for it. I was hoping I'd be able to plant doubts in your/TH's minds about people who were going after you so hard and that probably helped my death. But regardless, for all we knew it was just a matter of time before this very obvious 5-person civ-friendly team decided to go after the actual baddies, and we couldn't let that happen.

You weren't annoying us... Well not all of us... I found it quite funny actually that people seemed so oblivious. As I said earlier, the only person we really killed purely for being a Celestial was Splints. Golden was one of the initial names we threw out as potential Celestials, but we weren't sure. DP died more because if he'd been lynched his team would become trusted. TH seemed like he was coming after us.

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

You vouched for Canuck. We were annoyed with the amount people vouching for each other and wanted to eliminate anyone with btsc, regardless of how active their partner was.

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

S~V~S wrote:We weren't working for the baddies, we were horribly misguided though; i honestly believed BF to be bad, we ALL thought Sophie was bad, and several of us really thought you were bad. We tried to connect to them after the killed Splints. They blew us off and then killed TH. After that we lost our win, so we didn't give a crap.

We didn't believe you about the safe. What was in it? I remember saying it was either empty or a trap that would lead to our lynches. FWIW I felt a bit bad killing off your team as we did, but we saw you all as a threat. Epi was happy to continue massacring you but I convinced him to leave you and TH alive because I didn't think the two of you alone could do much damage.

S~V~S wrote:Why did the indies become your targets? We were ready & willing to work with you.

That made no sense to us, tbh.

We had no way of knowing that, and the easier thing for you to do would be play civ, so we assumed you would be. When you started making yourselves obvious, it became a concern.

For the record, we always intended to kill Celestials if we found them because a 5-person btsc group that is basically an extension of the civs presents a huge threat. We killed Golden not knowing who he was, DP to avoid giving credibility to his team, TH because he was a threat, and Splints just because she was a Celestial. Sorry that it seemed to really upset you guys but I don't see how else we could have played that.

Well since this game has had more vouchers than a pile of gifts from distant relatives, not many. Maybe DF, I think the thing with him randomly dying but not being dead is weird and worth looking at. Rabbit was silenced to set me up, that much is obvious to me and will be to the rest of you shortly. I think the baddies are lurking in the shadows, letting the people dictating the game carry on doing so because they're not getting very much right and the rest of the flock is following them like good little sheep.

It doesn't matter any more Dom. I'm dead already. Bandwagon successful, GG baddies.

And just as I predicted...

Fine, screw it. Vomp has now voted for a blatant civ (thanks to MM's vouch), after spending most of the game going after someone who also clearly wasn't bad. If we all think he's bad, lynch him instead. I'm officially stopping my 'hard defense' of him and encourage the remaining bandwagoners to divert their attention in his direction. *Votes Vomp*

I also don't see why it should be my responsibility to divert a bandwagon that has been directed at me. People should acknowledge that I am explaining why it is wrong and work with me to find a better option, rather than just mindlessly following unless I can come up with a bulletproof case against someone else - which will then be dismissed anyway by certain players who think I'm just desperate to deflect attention.

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.

Who is your alternative then?
You have simply gotten angry that people have voted for you. You have yet to present a suspicion.

Yeah. I've gotten angry at people. Just sat here raging away. Definitely haven't ever tried to defend myself. Nobody has ignored me or not even bothered to give me a chance. There is no possible reason why I should be even slightly unhappy about this bandwagon.

I said where I wanted to look. I invited people to explain the Vomp case or discuss DFaraday. I haven't had a chance yet to properly look at anyone. I'm very busy. Now I don't see why I should even bother when I'd need to convince literally everyone who hasn't voted. I don't see that happening. JC has already said she'd probably follow SVS, and I think at least one other person is going to follow you.

S~V~S wrote:I am sure it was a mean spirited joy, Black Rock.

The only crueler baddie team I have ever seen was in rabbits SOT game, basically punishing people for playing in a way they don't like.

If Bullz is not bad, I am sorry for the part I played. But, tbh, other than what you have said, I am pretty OK with my vote. And trust me, I want the baddies dead.

Linki, I am guessing not re the celestials, Dom, unless it was old BTS.
Linki again, I have read your posts. Maybe you should stop getting mad and start giving people an alternative.

I am considering my options at the moment. But if you were interested in alternatives you wouldn't have thrown out your vote straight away. If you'd read my posts you wouldn't have thought I suspected TH.

What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:Actually, Bullz, I don't like that you are so against my vote, but ignored the questions/point I brought up earlier.

I had to double-check your posts to find out what you meant by this. Is that the circular argument thing? I didn't ignore it, I just wasn't sure if you expected a response and didn't know what to say. You're correct. It is a circular argument on both sides. My question in that case is who knows my intentions better - me, or Rabbit?

I'm sorry if my previous post annoyed you but it was made at 6am from my phone, having not long ago woken up and checking up on the game to find I'd gained yet another vote. It's not that I "don't like why" there is a case against me, it's that the case against me doesn't seem very good when you examine it properly and I feel my defenses are being largely ignored. I don't like that I got two votes as soon as the day began - granted Rabbit appears to be silenced but he's ignoring the fact that it may have been (and in fact was) a set up. SVS I feel just wanted to get revenge for TH and so voted for someone she thought had been after him without even checking that it was the case. If she had any actual suspicions of me she could have given me a chance to address them.

It is true though, that now I have 3 votes people will be coming in, seeing them, and joining the bandwagon without having to put in any input. Blendy civs and blendy baddies alike are going to pile onto me. As for BR, I don't know what to think about her. I don't know what she seems to have found out, and I don't know why she has. If she's telling the truth (and not a baddie trying to gain civ cred after my lynch by saying "I told you he wasn't bad!") then I'd like to hear more about it from her.

I disagree though... and I think your anger is telling.

Try defending yourself against people who blatantly don't give a shit that they're wrong about you, and then see how you feel.

Dom wrote:Actually, Bullz, I don't like that you are so against my vote, but ignored the questions/point I brought up earlier.

I had to double-check your posts to find out what you meant by this. Is that the circular argument thing? I didn't ignore it, I just wasn't sure if you expected a response and didn't know what to say. You're correct. It is a circular argument on both sides. My question in that case is who knows my intentions better - me, or Rabbit?

I'm sorry if my previous post annoyed you but it was made at 6am from my phone, having not long ago woken up and checking up on the game to find I'd gained yet another vote. It's not that I "don't like why" there is a case against me, it's that the case against me doesn't seem very good when you examine it properly and I feel my defenses are being largely ignored. I don't like that I got two votes as soon as the day began - granted Rabbit appears to be silenced but he's ignoring the fact that it may have been (and in fact was) a set up. SVS I feel just wanted to get revenge for TH and so voted for someone she thought had been after him without even checking that it was the case. If she had any actual suspicions of me she could have given me a chance to address them.

It is true though, that now I have 3 votes people will be coming in, seeing them, and joining the bandwagon without having to put in any input. Blendy civs and blendy baddies alike are going to pile onto me. As for BR, I don't know what to think about her. I don't know what she seems to have found out, and I don't know why she has. If she's telling the truth (and not a baddie trying to gain civ cred after my lynch by saying "I told you he wasn't bad!") then I'd like to hear more about it from her.

Dom wrote:i have to vote-- i have so much to do still. I voted bullz tbh

Exactly what I was talking about before. Thanks for discussing your suspicion with me, reading what I've had to say, and giving me a chance to defend myself. Great play there. There definitely won't be any lazy civs or blendy baddies using my 3 votes as an excuse to just latch on and kill me without actually contributing themselves.

I will say it again: the case against me sucks. It came out of nowhere and is based on Rabbit acting as if he knows me when he doesn't. My votes may not always have been for the right people but that's such a weak argument in this game, yet people are latching onto Rabbit without even bothering to read my posts (to the point of assuming I've said things I didn't!) or let me defend. I feel like this blatant bandwagon is forming more because I don't have anyone vouching for me tbh. That doesn't make me a baddie, and nor does one weak case. This game has been ridiculous.

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

juliets wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Well that was an interesting night. I came upon some information that has given me some insight. It has also made me very wary of these early votes. I am not sure how to approach this without upsetting the thread... maybe I should think about it before saying more. This information has led me to believe Rabbit is wrong about Bullz. It has also changed my mind a little about Dom. To clarify that, I have been previously unsure about Dom but now I feel a bit better about him.

Black Rock, does your info leave you with a solid idea who you might vote for today?

Unfortunately no. He leaves me with the feeling that the baddies want to lynch Bullz and Dom. That's why I'm thinking that is not a good idea. It seems I got a piece of a plan. The way it is worded it does not sound like civvie behaviour.

Do you think Rabbit is a baddie?

Rabbit doesn't have to be a baddie for the baddies to want me lynched. They'll certainly benefit from it, so I imagine they would quite like to see me die.

I was just asking becasue BR was making it sound like the early voters, Rabbit & me, were suspect and that there was some sort of baddie plot to get you. I just wanted to make sure she was not saying that she thought rabbit was bad or that he was plotting against you.

I don't think Rabbit has to be a baddie for the baddies to want you lynched. I just don't see the connection between *Rabbit* wanting you to be lynched and the baddies wanting you to be lynched. That's where I am having the problem.

Well it definitely benefits the baddies for me to be lynched. This late in the game, it benefits them if anyone not-them is lynched though. I would certainly seem to be the easy bandwagon target today. You didn't even bother to verify that I'd said some of the things you were suspicious of me for saying, you just voted me anyway with no discussion. Played right into their hands. Letting people like you and Rabbit do all the work means they aren't even accountable when I flip civ, and some other poor civvie who followed your vote gets the axe for it tomorrow.

As for who I want to vote for, I've already mentioned an interest in going back to the DF discussion and also looking again at some of the others. I will even reconsider my position on Vomp since it's apparently such a big deal. I think it's pretty obvious I'm going to have to use my vote to save myself today, so who I want to vote for may not even enter into it.

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

juliets wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Well that was an interesting night. I came upon some information that has given me some insight. It has also made me very wary of these early votes. I am not sure how to approach this without upsetting the thread... maybe I should think about it before saying more. This information has led me to believe Rabbit is wrong about Bullz. It has also changed my mind a little about Dom. To clarify that, I have been previously unsure about Dom but now I feel a bit better about him.

Black Rock, does your info leave you with a solid idea who you might vote for today?

Unfortunately no. He leaves me with the feeling that the baddies want to lynch Bullz and Dom. That's why I'm thinking that is not a good idea. It seems I got a piece of a plan. The way it is worded it does not sound like civvie behaviour.

Do you think Rabbit is a baddie?

Rabbit doesn't have to be a baddie for the baddies to want me lynched. They'll certainly benefit from it, so I imagine they would quite like to see me die.

S~V~S wrote:Personally, I would not be surprised to find Zomba had a situation not unlike Golden's. She was mostly not onsite the day she was lynched, and has only been here once that I am aware of since then.

What was Golden's situation again? And how does that have any bearing on whether or not I'd have voted for her if I wanted to distance from her?

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Also Bullz' hard defense of Vomp whom I still distrust completely has put Bullz on and off of my radar. Although I don't expect that a team with Bullz on it would have the strategy this one appears to have had, tbh, so I have waffled. But I just want dead baddies at this point, and Rabbits case was good, imo.

Ha. No it wasn't. It was okay at best. It's based around a couple of votes and a bunch of assumptions about how I play made by someone who hasn't played with me in literally years. It's a bad case. It's not even right. People should not be voting for me today if they want to lynch a baddie.

"It's not even right"

What would be?

TBH you sound like someone who is mad that they're caught for the wrong reasons here.

I'm 'mad' (but not that mad, more just annoyed. I find I tend to sound more pissed off than I actually am in mafia) a player who knows me really well is acting like someone who has basically no idea how I act is making good points about why I act in a certain way. Rabbit says I deliberately vote late for some calculated baddie tactic reasons when everyone who has played a few games with me should know that that's just how I always like to vote regardless. Yet SVS, who knows my game better than she admits, is acting like this is some profound wisdom when it's not. That's what "isn't even right". I haven't been caught for any reasons. There's nothing to catch.

My votes haven't been very good. Given that it's day 9 and we've only lynched 2 baddies, nobody can really say too much in that regard. Before you get on about Canuck, you'll note that I voted her before you vouched for her and have no intention of doing so again because I believe what you are hinting at.

Rabbit also says I tried to distance by voting Epi during the Zomba lynch. If I wanted to distance, why not vote Zomba? Putting a nail in her coffin would've given me so much "civvie cred" but yet I didn't do that. If I'm a baddie, I'm not a smart one.

Now SVS is making up opinions she says I have to try to make me look even worse. I'm not sure how I feel about that one.

I think it'd be worth revisiting the DF discussion today, as well as looking at players who've been fairly free of suspicion all game. I have reason to believe Bass is civ, but at this stage I don't see why anyone else should really be off the table. We're clearly missing something here.

Linki SVS - I don't see why you'd think I thought TH was bad though. Even without saying it there was an implication in my trust of you. As for Vomp, I've never said he was definitely a civ. I thought it was unlikely because of how the Zomb lynch happened, and then when Epi got lynched it made more sense to me because I still don't understand why he'd have tied a lynch like that between his two teammates. I've asked people on that side of the fence to explain it to me many times and had no response.

S~V~S wrote:So who do you think is bad? I seem to recall you thought TH was bad. That was another red flag for me. Do you still think Vomps is a civ?

When did I call TH bad? That's a lie. I never did that. In fact at least once I said my opinion of you should prove I didn't think TH was bad. I've also said I would happily reconsider my view on Vomp if someone could explain why Epi tied a lynch between two of his teammates.

Linki - I've also said I don't think Rabbit is bad. Stop making up opinions for me.

S~V~S wrote:Also Bullz' hard defense of Vomp whom I still distrust completely has put Bullz on and off of my radar. Although I don't expect that a team with Bullz on it would have the strategy this one appears to have had, tbh, so I have waffled. But I just want dead baddies at this point, and Rabbits case was good, imo.

Ha. No it wasn't. It was okay at best. It's based around a couple of votes and a bunch of assumptions about how I play made by someone who hasn't played with me in literally years. It's a bad case. It's not even right. People should not be voting for me today if they want to lynch a baddie.

I would suggest you vote for a baddie instead, Rabbit.

I wouldn't mind taking a bash at Wabash either. I took out a book last time I was there, I think I should return it and see what else is on offer.

You definitely shouldn't spread it in my direction. I don't know how much more I can say in my own defense, Rabbit is just plain wrong and I hope people realise it.

Turnip Head wrote:
linki: Hmmm, Bullz agreees with BWT.

To be fair it was Canuck or BWT that were getting my vote regardless after I finished reading everyone.

Mostly agree with BWT here. I feel like Canuck offering SVS power over her vote not only comes off as an attempt to remove accountability, but also say look how civvie I am by letting someone who isn't a baddie dictate where my vote goes. It just seems fake to me. Not to mention, she then goes and throws her vote on Vomp of all people.

*Votes Canuck*

Turnip Head wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:Zomba was getting lynched. You knew this. You can look like a dumb civvie and distance yourself from Epi at the same time. Then when you try to help Epi out later it does not look so bad.

Voting Vomp would've been the better way to protect one of my teammates. When I want to save someone, I save them properly.

That would have immediately rang false though. You have defended Vomp through most of the game. A sudden vote for him would look pretty suspicious.

Still processing the rest of your defense. I did like your analysis of all the remaining players, Bullz. Outside of the case against you, I'm looking at BWT the most. He's got the blendy, mistake-free gameplan down pat. He hasn't really brought many of his own ideas to the table; most of his contributions are echos. Although he and Dom are the only ones currently still pursuing SVS, which again, I'm not sure that would be a savvy baddie move to make at this point in time.

I don't think I really started defending Vomp until during/after the time he almost got lynched. As a baddie, I could've not bothered to say I don't think he's bad, and lynched him instead. I do agree with you about BWT, though I was considering a vote on Canuck tbh. She's much the same as BWT.

Back in my room now to continue the list. We now come to three people who talk far too much, and Vomp. This post is going to be quite boring as I don't think any of them are baddies. First off we have...
I'm seeing him as civ. Not really that familiar with Rabbit, but he has made a few interesting observations and decent points. There are times though where he seems like he wants to lynch basically everyone.
If you aren't sure what I think of SVS, you haven't been paying attention. I doubt she's bad.
I've had doubts about TH early on, he was part of a group that I thought probably contained at least one baddie (and I was right! Epi was in that group). Since then he hasn't always been spot on with his suspects, but then none of us are perfect. At this point I'd be surprised if he came back bad.
I'm not even going to bother looking through his posts. I'm sure everyone knows what I think about Vomp. If he was bad, Epi wouldn't have tied the lynch between him and Zomb.

So that's everyone.

Okay so this post may end up being split a few times but it marks the beginning of me looking over everyone's posts. These will be very quick readthroughs, and I'll go back to people I actually find suspicious later. I will start, since he's first alphabetically, with...
I generally think Bass is a civ. Not based on his posts, just on the facts. He and MM switched roles. We know MM wasn't bad, or he wouldn't have been NKed. Therefore it just makes sense in my mind that Bass is probably a civ too since I doubt Llama would switch a civ with a baddie. I do feel like he just goes with the flow a bit too much though. It would be nice to generally hear more from him.
BWT got called out by the poet in one of the night posts, so clearly someone thinks he's bad. He did go after Zomba a bit, but that could easily be distancing. He actually becomes much quieter after she died, he voted Epi too but hadn't really mentioned him for a long time before his vote. After Epi's lynch he said:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yay! I highly suspect this was another lynch where the baddies piled on a teammate once he was a lost cause.

But it feels like he could easily be referring to himself in that. He feels really blendy, hasn't really put himself out there much at all since Zomb died. I dunno, I definitely see why someone might feel off about him. I feel like he's been trying to keep under the radar a little.
Disregarded her day/night 1 stuff since she was clearly a civ at that point. She always seemed very sure Zomba was bad, and also found the case on Epi "compelling". She's also one of the few people to catch on to what I've seen regarding SVS. I'm not super sure, but I think her voting/suspicion record is pretty good and she seems genuine enough.
She has 87 posts. That actually surprised me because off the top of my head I can't really remember anything she's said. Missed the first two votes despite the fact that more than half of her posts occurred before day 3. She also voted for Vomp over Zomb during her lynch - possible save attempt? She did later vote for Epi, but in doing so also suggested Liz was probably the millionaire - her only post on day 6 was a reiteration of this point in support of her vote. I empathise with the exam season and everything, but blendy players are blendy and potential baddies.
I pretty much forgot he was playing. Then he died. Now he's back. I don't know what to make of that but I think a secret rezz is more likely to be a civ than a baddie secret in a game with one mafia team. There's not an awful lot else to say. I did think his jumping on to the Liz case was a bit odd. No idea what I think of him really.
I never know what to think of Dom. I usually suspect him or go after him just to stop him from hounding me. I had felt like his relentless pursuit of SVS was getting a bit suspect, but at least he admits to having tunnel vision (which I think I often find suspicious anyway). I think a lot of the things he's had to say have made good sense. I would like to hear his views on people who aren't called SVS, since even if she is bad she has teammates. I guess he thinks TH is one but who is the other?
Seems to go with the flow quite a bit. She voted Vomp after canvassing for opinions on Zomb and seeming to defend her a little. She was accused of lying about her book but I feel like she was telling the truth. It was given to me in exchange for my key, and the key is only useful to thieves as I said when I revealed I'd put it up for auction. It can't actually be used to curse people though. It just describes the fact that a 'Yes' curse exists. I'm not too sure how I feel about her but I don't necessarily think she's bad at this point in time.

I'm pausing this here because it's taken me over an hour and a half so far and I have to pop out to do some checks since my residence support shift has now started. Will be back to talk about the last four shortly.

Funny you mention low posters being bad, I think there's at least one or two quiet/blendy baddies. Blendy doesn't = low poster but I intend to look at a number of people I think meet one or both of those classifications today. Of course, since you've decided I'm bad you'll disregard everything I say but perhaps others won't.

rabbit8 wrote: Sure.......You have been wrong a lot. So have we all, b ut when you look at YOU'RE voting record it paitns a bad picture.

Am I the only person with a bad voting record? Is yours so perfect?

rabbit8 wrote:Zomba was getting lynched. You knew this. You can look like a dumb civvie and distance yourself from Epi at the same time. Then when you try to help Epi out later it does not look so bad.

Voting Vomp would've been the better way to protect one of my teammates. When I want to save someone, I save them properly.

rabbit8 wrote:I know you were not the first to suspect her, but you went hard after her once she was suspect and Epi was as well. You IMO tried to help Epi out of a jam. It did not work. Following others suspicions is a great baddie tactic. Jump in and then claim I was not the only one to suspect her. Had Epi not turned up baddie I would not even really think anything of this.

In your opinion. Sums the whole thing up. I wasn't following other people's suspicions, I took the case on her and built it up. I'll accept blame for her lynch if you want but it doesn't make me bad.

rabbit8 wrote:You near always vote late, except when trying to save Epi or be consistent with your Liz vote because if you had not been consistent your vote to save Epi would have looked worse. I have other things to do in reall life too, I just don't use it as an excuse in my defense. Baddies do all the time though. Players should look at the polls, you votes are very suspect.

Rabbit, I think the last time I played with you was at least two years ago. I ALWAYS vote late if possible. Literally every game I've ever played, if the poll ends at a reasonable hour for me, I will vote late. Unless there's someone I really suspect and know that my opinion won't be changed. I haven't tried to save anybody this game. Saying I have other things to do isn't an excuse, its the truth. I'm at uni, I spend half my life going out and getting pissed. Sometimes that means I have to vote early in mafia games so I don't miss the deadline.

rabbit8 wrote:
Subtle Zomba defence?

Not really subtle at all. At the time I thought it was quite a good point, and it stuck with me til Zomb was lynched. With all the arguments against her, I just thought a baddie team would've helped her defend better than she did. Especially since she wasn't actually the millionaire. Obviously I was wrong about her, but as I say that one point came up every time I thought about the case.

Bullzeye wrote:So I said the other day I think at least one of the group that included MM/TH/LC/Epi was bad. Given TH's silence, I'm less inclined to vote him. So basically I guess I think one of LC or Epi is bad and with 10 minutes to vote I've not got the time to read them both properly. In the debate between the two, I feel like LC is coming off better. So I'm gonna put my completely inconsequential vote on Epig, and give both a proper read through tomorrow.

Rabbit8 wrote:This is when Zomba was lynched. Distancing Bullz?

You voted for Liz 11 when Epi was lynched.

If I wanted to distance, why not just vote Zomb. Yeah, I voted Liz a few times because I thought she was really suspicious. As did a number of others.

rabbit8 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace LC And welcome back DF, you got some 'splainin' to do!

Bullzeye, I have been leaning civ for Dom recently simply because he hasn't picked up on SVS's hints. I feel like that's something the baddies wouldn't be able to miss. But idk, maybe I'm reading the situation the wrong way Dom seems like he has tunnel vision which I usually associate with civvieness. I'm not really sure where to look atm though. Dom, if you're wrong about me and SVS, where else would you look then?

Linki. Oh snap rabbit comes out swinging against Bullz

Bullz picked up on hints, easily......

I'm sorry but this

S~V~S wrote:Really?

Worst baddies ever, Day 6, and the only actual civvie they killed came back, lol. In my opinion of course

@Llama~ if a team is eliminated, will the thread be told?

RIP, Splints.

So who are we gonna lynch?

Is pretty damned obvious. It's only the first one that came to mind too. The constant defences of TH, and everything between Sophie's lynch and Splints' death make it pretty clear what she's pretty much claiming to be.

rabbit8 wrote: This post was made when things could have gone either way on LIZ EPI. Bullz votes for Liz......pretty early.

It was a pretty good case. Setting Liz up even if Epi was lynched that day.

I voted Liz because I suspected Liz. Her being civ doesn't change the fact that a lot of her behaviours were very suspicious. I wasn't the first to suspect her, and the case I made wasn't pulled out of my ass in hope of defending someone, it was based on careful reading. I chose to go after her instead because it was something I felt strongly about.

rabbit8 wrote:Just checked and When Bullz voted for Epi it was the earliest vote in a lynch he has ever made. Looks like he has been trying to hide his vote. The only other time he voted earlier was when Liz was lynched. But that was a given after the case he made to save Epi, which failed.

How does one hide a vote when polls (and even posts for that matter) are recorded? I nearly always vote late, I like to see all the discussion of the day first. When I feel confident about someone, or if I have another commitment, I vote earlier. I don't remember why I voted Epi early but I probably had something else to be doing irl that would've made me miss the vote. This post makes a lot of assumptions and acts like they're all facts.

S~V~S wrote:The Doctor, possibly. Or other things we don;t know

Who do you propose?

I have no real opinion on DF. You could be right about him. I just don't think it makes sense.

How sure are you Dom is good? You've seemed to be okay with him, but lately I've been feeling a bit funny about him. Not to say I'd put a vote there, but I'd like to hear opinions on him. I thought he was good at first. I think your hints were far too obvious for him not to have picked up on though. BWT too. I think the poet may have had a point there but I'd have to reread him. I feel like a lot of people are being very blendy in this game, and there is probably at least one baddie among them. There are three or four people I think are civ or civ friendly, everyone else is a question mark.

I don't see why the baddies would have the ability to rezz though? As they're the only ones doing any killing, it seems quite redundant and kind of too obvious.

Dom wrote:^^ I am beginning to not doubt that tbh, Vomps.

So you think Bass could be bad? How do you reconcile that with the fact that he and MM apparently switched roles?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I'm having a hard time believing the baddies would silence Elo. All their other silence targets have been active involved players. Doesn't really make sense for them to silence Elo IMO. Idk.

Same here. The only problem is that I went back and re-read her. And while I don't feel really bad about her, I don't feel great either. The most baddie thing she's done is potential damage control. But idk...

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: My statement on hearing from someone who feels SVS is civ is still open though. Speak up peeps! I know there's a few of you out there!

It's mostly the blatant role hinting she's been doing tbh. I really don't see how people aren't picking it up. Not believing her is a choice, but it's not like you could accuse her of being subtle.

Exactly this, it's actually bothering me that they haven't seen this and haven't dropped it.

Am I dense?

I think I'm just as dense as you, Dom. I had no idea she did that. Let me go back and see if I can find it before the lynch ends.

Right after Splints died is what confirmed it for me, but there have been a few other things. Basically just reread her posts, I'm surprised so few people admit to having picked up on it.

I think I'm sticking with an Elo vote just in case this is all some ridiculous plot that went wrong and Elo tried to do damage control. Not that it mattered anyway, she had already had too many votes to be saved.

I'm not sure what to make of any of this now! Elo might be telling the truth, but she might also have realised the plan failed and rushed in here to turn people away and maybe get some people to vote elsewhere at the last minute... I just can't figure this out!

Turnip Head wrote:I'm having a hard time believing the baddies would silence Elo. All their other silence targets have been active involved players. Doesn't really make sense for them to silence Elo IMO. Idk.

This is the only thing that really makes me wonder about Elo. I reread her posts and didn't find her too shifty, maybe a little blendy but nothing really screamed baddie at me. But then she seems to be silenced, and I don't know why the baddies would seriously have done that, which makes me think it's fake. If it is, then I definitely suspect her...

birdwithteeth11 wrote: My statement on hearing from someone who feels SVS is civ is still open though. Speak up peeps! I know there's a few of you out there!

It's mostly the blatant role hinting she's been doing tbh. I really don't see how people aren't picking it up. Not believing her is a choice, but it's not like you could accuse her of being subtle.

Some interesting names being thrown around today. SVS I still doubt is bad, and think people need to read her posts quite carefully if they aren't seeing why. BWT might be worth a look, obviously the poet seems to think he's bad. Perhaps they've picked up on something nobody else has. I hadn't thought much at all about Elo, it surprises me actually that I nearly forgot she was around. I will definitely reread her.

Two deaths tonight? That's new... and unnerving.

Look Liz, I'm sorry if you are the civ you've now claimed to be, but me being suspicious of you and voting accordingly doesn't make me bad.

juliets wrote:LizKeen, why vote Bullzeye out of everyone else? And if you are that civ I'm sorry I made an error in judgement.

I guess I must be bad because I suspected her

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Was everyone just waiting for someone else to place the first vote?

I did notice that early voters have a higher tendency to have a shorter lifespan. :lamia:

On Fridays I have a 3 hour lab class where you can leave as soon as you're finished, but nobody ever wants to be the first to walk out. Might be similar. For me, I just saw people were starting to vote and thought I may as well join in since I already knew who I wanted to vote for.