The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:If I'd have been to J1 and got the Scarab, could I have used that on myself to get Yang back?

Yes. Also, if you had gone to the Spirit Oracle, he would have told you so.

I was double dead before I even saw the term Spirit Oracle. I knew there would be something I could do though! I was trying to get to the good half of the city to see if they had anything to help me when I was finally cut down.

If I'd have been to J1 and got the Scarab, could I have used that on myself to get Yang back?

Matt wrote:

Long Con wrote:

sig wrote:Oh and LC will you be making a third edition of World Reborn?

Mafia: A World Asunder is already under construction.

No doubt it will take a while to craft, but this won't be like a 5 year wait, right?

It will be 5 years, but get so complicated that LC has to remove half of his characters and plotlines and we won't see them again for a further 6 years in A Dance of Worlds. After that he'll promise another but never ever deliver.

fingersplints wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Were you the Pixie, Splints? I assumed you were after that role poll and dropped all suspicion of you. I also found a note saying the Pixie was suspicious people kept thinking she was bad. So if that was you we were right next to each other at one point.

I was! I knew my role would become obvious eventually. That always seems to be the case with message roles. Some messages did hint to me some. Specifically the campaign poster and wanted posters. The wanted ones I used both £ and $, and the amount was the number in my husbands username.

I wished I had met up with you only ran into baddies

Most people I met died shortly after I met them, so maybe you were better off for not having done so. I was pretty sure baddies were stalking me toward the end, Mac and HB died really soon after I'd been speaking to them. On that note, I wonder if anyone ever noticed there being two of me on the map. Yin and Yang were only a couple of squares away from each other when I died the first time.

Were you the Pixie, Splints? I assumed you were after that role poll and dropped all suspicion of you. I also found a note saying the Pixie was suspicious people kept thinking she was bad. So if that was you we were right next to each other at one point.

Oh and also I trusted HB because you told me about your meeting with him, Mac :P I met him myself a couple of days later but luckily I don't think I told him much other than my role - which at that point was no threat to anybody.

MacDougall wrote: Yes Matt, Bullzeye and I both knew you were a civ. They killed me before I could use the info in any meaningful way.

I may or may not have been cheering Matt on during his final days. I'd kinda figured Dom was potentially bad since Golden, Sig and Epi had been talking about him and their plans when they summoned me early on and then Golden claimed Timmer had killed Epi etc. etc. I just didn't go against him because there was a chance he was Cabal and I wanted the Circle dead first. I'd have stuck by Matt though and we'd have died together for that most probably. Quite convenient for the Circle that they'd managed to remove Matt's support before he even got started. They really did earn this win, as much as I'll not forget them screwing me, they did deserve it for their hard work.

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:That was me. It was just a shits & Giggles thing. Sorry,I was just trying to send people on wild goose chases becasue chaos. It was random and had nothing to do with whatever happened up there, or your eventual death. That was a coincidence.

Okay. I assumed it was the Circle trying to lure people into a trap, since it lead to the square where I died as Yang and got locked into an essentially vanilla civ role. If I'd died as Yin I'd have become a baddie, and that would've been an acceptable result of losing one of my two map avatars and fun indy condition. I was quite upset when I died (both times!) but I'll live! This was still a great game and I tried to make the most of my unfortunate situation. The night I died for good I'd decided to try to find a way to rezz Yang and had been going around for a while hoping to find something to help me get revenge against the Circle. If I'd been alive towards the end I'd have been up for helping your side out.

I wish we could have just made a little rag tag duo and roamed around together. That would have been fun.

That would've been awesome but you wanted to go back to where I'd already been, IIRC, and I wanted to keep exploring to find new things and help in my own personal quests. You were actually the only person I was ever completely honest with about my role. I never told anyone else about how I could've become a baddie. I did love how you were all "you'll never believe me but I'm actually a secret role that isn't listed" when I had known since the game began that there must be at least one unlisted role in the game. I decided you were telling the truth and that you must be trustworthy. I dunno if it was obvious but the info you sent me on Matt said he was a civ, I was never sure how to communicate that to you since we only had a code for baddie.

Also I dunno if Nutella even saw since she was barely in the Chatzy but I was totally genuine when I offered friendship and an alliance to The Darkness. I was still indy at the time and didn't see the sense in making enemies when I could have friends.

S~V~S wrote:That was me. It was just a shits & Giggles thing. Sorry,I was just trying to send people on wild goose chases becasue chaos. It was random and had nothing to do with whatever happened up there, or your eventual death. That was a coincidence.

Okay. I assumed it was the Circle trying to lure people into a trap, since it lead to the square where I died as Yang and got locked into an essentially vanilla civ role. If I'd died as Yin I'd have become a baddie, and that would've been an acceptable result of losing one of my two map avatars and fun indy condition. I was quite upset when I died (both times!) but I'll live! This was still a great game and I tried to make the most of my unfortunate situation. The night I died for good I'd decided to try to find a way to rezz Yang and had been going around for a while hoping to find something to help me get revenge against the Circle. If I'd been alive towards the end I'd have been up for helping your side out.

So it wasn't the same team that killed me then? Huh.

Who was really responsible for the fake note at the portal? Maybe I should've known better, but that kill on Night 3 basically ruined the game for me. I had such a fun role too.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Posting contests are fun.

It's okay to be wrong

If Matt was Timmer's evil teammate, surely it'd benefit them both a lot more if he just kept his mouth shut about the list? I see no reason for a baddie Matt to ever bring up the list or admit to having had it for so long.

I'm against any contest that I probably can't win.

S~V~S wrote:Am I on drugs,or is anyone else seeing what I am seeing?

That depends on what you're seeing.

timmer wrote:

Matt wrote:

timmer wrote:@Tranq, it was called a Figurine. The alignment of whoever s face I carved into it would be revealed to me. At this point I really don't care if you don't believe me, I've been railroaded over a single action which made perfect sense at the time. I'm kind of done with this.

I don't see that item on my list.

Because it was a false name, Matt. There was no fucking figurine, it was the dagger. Fuck this. Go ahead and lynch me over this, I'm out.

I feel like if an item like the one you're suggesting existed, then it would be listed by it's fake name, with the real one either not mentioned at all or mentioned separately to maintain the illusion. Otherwise you might have the fake item and see it's not on the list, therefore suspecting something is up.

That said I'm gonna be *Voting Timmer*. I think there is enough cause to doubt his story now, and I had been reading Matt as civ for a while so I think he's being honest in revealing what he has done.

To be fair re: them both withholding the info, the past bunch of lynches have been massive bandwagons. Practically nobody has voted against the mainstream in days.

Matt wrote:Oh, and fyi, Obsidian Dagger is also on the list.

Is there a description? Does it say "shank a player of your choice with this fashionable but ultimately brittle accessory" for example? Or is it just a list of items and it's left vague as to what they actually do.

What bothers me now is that someone apparently has a list of items and I've never even seen a single item at all I guess there's also a case of whether or not to believe this list exists and is comprehensive.

Botched the quotes there but w/e you're all smart people and you can figure it out.

Matt wrote:Bullz, I think a Mafia would do whatever they have to do to win. If that means messing with Bass' voting and putting attention on him, whether or not he's a high poster, then yes I think it's possible.

But still, why Bass? Why not you? Or... I dunno, Golden? TH? Someone noticeable with a significant presence in the thread? I just don't see how you've jumped to this idea that Bass is being messed with somehow and not just uninvolved.

Bullz - What do you think of Timmer? Considering I don't necessarily trust MM or Drac, I'm having a hard time putting my vote where they have their votes, but I wonder if he's being truthful about this "Figurine".[/quote]

Honestly I think the whole story is all too convenient. I could happily believe it's a pile of old balls, but then I don't see why Timmer would go to such lengths to make the story up when it would be easier to just say he'd never been anywhere near Epi and never had any item at all. I've considered voting him a couple of times because I go back and forth on whether I think he's being honest or stringing everyone along.

Matt wrote:Who cares who they pick as long as they get someone not on their team lynched?

Yeah but Bass has been pretty much a non-entity all game. I was going to say how often do baddies use up abilities on people who are barely participating, but really how often does ANYONE do that?

Matt wrote:Also, I know we already went over on how you would never allow your team to NK you when you have a protect, but I also noticed, along with Luke and Juliets, you gave Floyd the A-okay when you ISO'd everyone.

Yeah ages and ages ago and I became more suspicious of Floyd later when he claimed he didn't know what an NK was. I only thought Luke was okay because I thought he'd have been better coached. I was wrong.

Matt wrote:Anyway, just trying to look at every angle. Are you convinced that Bass is the type of player who would miss three lynch phases while voting during the night phases, and not once even apologize to the hosts for missing? I think it's fishy.

Bass can be super detached from games. It's not too surprising.

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt F wrote:If Bass is bad, what does he gain from missing three consecutive lynches? He would have to know that would bring him major heat. Even if he is civ. Something is fishy here.

Sorsha, you seem to have been keeping close tabs on Bass with several posts updating us on when he missed two votes, and then three. Are you aware of the Possessing Entity role? It's power is secret, but I'm guessing it possesses other players in some way. Do you think it's possible that Bass has simply been possessed and was forced to miss votes? The only problem I'd have with this is typically you cannot double target, however, it's not out of the realm of possibility that a player can't be possessed for several day phases in a row before being released. ASSUMING that's how the PE's power works in the first place.

I don't know, I just think it's weird how Bass hasn't even made any public apologies to the hosts for missing votes, just says he's been "super busy".

You're making a lot of assumptions. Why would someone who could possess players even bother with Bass when he's not around? Besides which, the fact he's been quiet isn't really one of the reasons he looks suspicious.

Well, if the Possessing Entity is bad, which to me looks like they are, and if Bass is civ, then ummmmm the answer would be to get a civ lynched? What an odd question.

I'm not arguing anything about the Entity's alignment. What I'm saying is why would Bass, who has barely participated at all, be the civ someone uses a power for several phases to get lynched? Like, if you can pick from all of the people playing this game, why go for the one guy who is playing the absolute least?

Matt F wrote:If Bass is bad, what does he gain from missing three consecutive lynches? He would have to know that would bring him major heat. Even if he is civ. Something is fishy here.

Sorsha, you seem to have been keeping close tabs on Bass with several posts updating us on when he missed two votes, and then three. Are you aware of the Possessing Entity role? It's power is secret, but I'm guessing it possesses other players in some way. Do you think it's possible that Bass has simply been possessed and was forced to miss votes? The only problem I'd have with this is typically you cannot double target, however, it's not out of the realm of possibility that a player can't be possessed for several day phases in a row before being released. ASSUMING that's how the PE's power works in the first place.

I don't know, I just think it's weird how Bass hasn't even made any public apologies to the hosts for missing votes, just says he's been "super busy".

You're making a lot of assumptions. Why would someone who could possess players even bother with Bass when he's not around? Besides which, the fact he's been quiet isn't really one of the reasons he looks suspicious.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I think timer is alright I do t get why sorsha is going after me because I haven't posted much. Sorcha is there anyone that's posting that you think is bad beside going for a lie poster?

Other than "because she voted for you", is there any real reason you voted Sorsha? You've missed half the lynch polls in the game, do you have any actual suspicions to throw in?

Sorsha wrote:Thanks LC

Ok so it looks like bass hasn't voted in a lynch poll since day 5 when Canuck got lynched

How has he got away with not participating for half the game?

Tranq wrote: Has anyone else encountered an item that ended up changing into a different item?

I've not even encountered a single item yet unless notes left by Pixies and/or baddies count.

So I just realised we can vote two options now, so C gets my vote as well for being the first letter of two of my best friends' names.

I'm gonna "B" voting for B, B-cause lots of cool things B-gin with B.

Golden wrote:Feel free to join the TH bonfire, Wilgy. Its not going to save you, though.

I believe it's mathematically impossible for Wilgy to be saved by votes now. Unless there are shenanigans, the lynch is already decided since votes can't be changed today.

Golden wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:The Trickster is another person who could be responsible, just on the face of their role. I've also come upon the note talking of a great library, but it might just be that we are all coming upon it in the same place.

I have reason to believe we are not, but I almost certainly can't tell you what that reason is.

It's odd. You wouldn't expect someone could otherwise imitate the pixie over and over again.

That is also true. Are we allowed to say what was generally upon the square where we found the note, without discussing the exact co-ordinates? I could be mistaken.

I found mine at a square with a portal.

So did I. Perhaps it is the same note then. That conflicts with something else I thought, but perhaps I'm just a big dumb.

Golden wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:The Trickster is another person who could be responsible, just on the face of their role. I've also come upon the note talking of a great library, but it might just be that we are all coming upon it in the same place.

I have reason to believe we are not, but I almost certainly can't tell you what that reason is.

It's odd. You wouldn't expect someone could otherwise imitate the pixie over and over again.

That is also true. Are we allowed to say what was generally upon the square where we found the note, without discussing the exact co-ordinates? I could be mistaken.

Golden wrote:The Trickster is another person who could be responsible, just on the face of their role. I've also come upon the note talking of a great library, but it might just be that we are all coming upon it in the same place.

I have reason to believe we are not, but I almost certainly can't tell you what that reason is.

Tranq wrote:There are more clues that point to him being Cabal, but i think he could also be Circle of Decay. This is far from his active civvie game as seen in RMIV (and in the Pet Sounds speed game which just ended).

See my post here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p199884

Yeah I think you could be right. I mean he's also wildly different from how he was in TH as a baddie so I feel a bit conflicted but he definitely doesn't look like his usual civ game. I guess I will trust in the arguments against him and *Vote Wilgy*

Draconus wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Draconus wrote:RE: Feral Pixie, I'm reading that post as saying that she is a civ aligned indie or just a civ. This is very confusing to me because I now see her as being responsible for the beacon/explosion and Bullzeye's near death (the library trap).

I don't believe the Pixie is responsible for my failed death if she truly is a civ. A baddie must've stolen her ability or something. I definitely 100% think it was a baddie as opposed to an indy who left that note - either Floyd, Luke, JC or their remaining friend whose death I will help happen before this game is over.

You don't think the Pixie could have malicious intentions? What do you think about G9?

I don't think civs can have malicious intentions in general. Specifically, as I believe the note was placed by a member of the team that tried to kill me, then logically a civ cannot have been responsible for it. LC seems to have indicated that the Pixie is a civ. As for G9 I'm not sure of why you think she's responsible for that. Reminder?

I don't think I'm particularly suspicious of any of my former suspects any more. What is the case on Wilgy, again? Is it literally just about him having asked to be NKed that time?

Draconus wrote:RE: Feral Pixie, I'm reading that post as saying that she is a civ aligned indie or just a civ. This is very confusing to me because I now see her as being responsible for the beacon/explosion and Bullzeye's near death (the library trap).

I don't believe the Pixie is responsible for my failed death if she truly is a civ. A baddie must've stolen her ability or something. I definitely 100% think it was a baddie as opposed to an indy who left that note - either Floyd, Luke, JC or their remaining friend whose death I will help happen before this game is over.

So I decided to look over the posts of the three confirmed baddies to hopefully turn up something that might help us find their teammate.


Worth noting that Floyd voted Prog. Perhaps he was the baddie with info. His first on topic post was to demand an explanation for Banana's vote on Bugla (later replaced by Draconus). Later voted for Bugla himself for sketchy reasons so... Would certainly be weird for all three irl friends to all be randomly sorted into the same team. Paid respects to Luke and voted for JC but other than scattered individual mentions of a few people, Bugla is the only other player Floyd said much about so I don't think there's much to be gained from reading his posts.


Listed two people as good: Floyd and Sorsha. Didn't have an explanation for either read. Not much else to see, I think it's equally possible that he listed two of his own teammates as it is for him to have mentioned Sorsha as well as Floyd in order to make her look bad should Luke be lynched.


Something interesting I did notice is that two of three confirmed baddies followed the Sig case on day 2. Floyd seemingly missed the vote entirely. Perhaps it could be worth revisiting Sig voters, perhaps they all jumped on board as it was an easy target. We know that at least three of the voters that day were not civ-friendly folks (with nutella the dangerous bad indy also getting in on it).

Early on JC also spent some time trying to draw Floyd into conversation - probably trying to be a helpful teammate, knowing her. JC also said she had no suspicion of Sorsha, so that makes two baddies saying that. Worth keeping in mind? She also named Bass as a neutral read.

Overall this stopped being useful pretty quickly I think, but I decided to see it through. The only thing I've really noticed is the Sorsha point, but it could be completely meaningless. I'm also going to revisit a couple of old suspicions that have fallen away in more recent days. The suspicion list I posted early on now only has two or three living people left from it, so that shouldn't take long.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I'm like 99% sure the Pixie is bad, so I'll be voting that way to confirm my suspicions.

Why were you so confident the pixie is bad and how does the post make you feel about this now?

Not sure how much I'd be allowed to say but the gist is I followed something I assumed came from her and it led me to almost die. Must have been a trick.

Following host clarification (Thanks LC! ) I can tell you all that I found a note saying there was a library full of juicy info at a certain square. Knowing the risks of blindly trusting an unknown person, I blindly trusted an unknown person and went to that square. That square did not in fact contain a library full of juicy info. It did not contain anything. It almost, however, contained my corpse as it's where I was when I got targeted for a kill. Since the Pixie is responsible for dropping notes about the place, I assumed that's who it was from and that it was all part of an evil baddie trap. I still think the note was from baddies, I just think they either used the Pixie's power somehow or did something else.

On that note, don't trust any notes you find promising info at a particular square. I'm not allowed to say specifically which one it was, and even if I did it wouldn't help because whoever left that note could just change the location they use.

There's no library? Well I'm glad I didn't visit it now.

Can confirm. No library. Not even so much as a picture book. Just murder.

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I'm like 99% sure the Pixie is bad, so I'll be voting that way to confirm my suspicions.

Why were you so confident the pixie is bad and how does the post make you feel about this now?

Not sure how much I'd be allowed to say but the gist is I followed something I assumed came from her and it led me to almost die. Must have been a trick.

Following host clarification (Thanks LC! ) I can tell you all that I found a note saying there was a library full of juicy info at a certain square. Knowing the risks of blindly trusting an unknown person, I blindly trusted an unknown person and went to that square. That square did not in fact contain a library full of juicy info. It did not contain anything. It almost, however, contained my corpse as it's where I was when I got targeted for a kill. Since the Pixie is responsible for dropping notes about the place, I assumed that's who it was from and that it was all part of an evil baddie trap. I still think the note was from baddies, I just think they either used the Pixie's power somehow or did something else.

On that note, don't trust any notes you find promising info at a particular square. I'm not allowed to say specifically which one it was, and even if I did it wouldn't help because whoever left that note could just change the location they use.

fingersplints wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I'm like 99% sure the Pixie is bad, so I'll be voting that way to confirm my suspicions.

Why were you so confident the pixie is bad and how does the post make you feel about this now?

Not sure how much I'd be allowed to say but the gist is I followed something I assumed came from her and it led me to almost die. Must have been a trick.

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Okay Bullzeye you're adequately defended who do you think is scum?

I wouldn't mind a Floyd lynch, and may vote that way myself. Also had some minor suspicion of splints earlier on that I think maybe I should revisit. I'm probably up all night watching Desert Bus so I have time to look at both of them and others I might be inclined to eyeball.

Would very much appreciate this.

Intend to when night is over. Also want to look over JC, Luke, and Floyd's posts to see if there are any clues to their final buddy.

I'm like 99% sure the Pixie is bad, so I'll be voting that way to confirm my suspicions.

Also voted Floyd. I think he's likely bad and he seems to want out anyway. Now I am actually leaving so forget what I said about staying up all night because that was apparently a lie.

MacDougall wrote:Okay Bullzeye you're adequately defended who do you think is scum?

I wouldn't mind a Floyd lynch, and may vote that way myself. Also had some minor suspicion of splints earlier on that I think maybe I should revisit. I'm probably up all night watching Desert Bus so I have time to look at both of them and others I might be inclined to eyeball.

Matt F wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt F wrote: Linki - I have been convinced Bullz is no longer Juliets teammate, however, I don't think it would be stupid. You get cleared of being on a certain team if you go with that strategy. If you get cleared of a certain team, a lot less likely you will be lynched. How would that be stupid?

You obviously don't get cleared, because Ol' Tunnely Matt will decide to suspect you because he wants to think you're always bad. It's stupid because you (1) don't kill anyone, thereby sacrificing the ability to rid yourself of someone who may be a threat, and (2) basically say "I don't want to survive the next attempt on my life. I have this survival that could save me at a crucial point but I'm just going to throw it out because I'm a rebel".

Well, as we are seeing displayed right now, nobody wants to lynch you because you are so obvi not on Juliets team. On top of that, by being protected during a NK, the other Mafia team may not want to waste one on you assuming you won't die. It actually sounds rather smart to me, tbh.

But whatevs.

Regardless of how stupid or not stupid it is, the simple fact remains that I would not allow my team to do that. I would be super peeved if they went behind my back and took away my protection like that, and would not agree to do it because I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it because my teammates thought it would be best to sacrifice it. I just wouldn't want it to happen.