The Syndicate

I'm going to bed now and won't be able to come back to this thread until Friday, if I'm even still alive then. I'd encourage you all not to lynch me as I'm not a baddie and you'd be playing right into their hands.

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:SVS what is the argument for your own civviness?

Falling like a nub right into a trap I should have seen? That is mega obvious in retrospect. I think my reaction to Matt & his shenanigans, and my reaction to Scotty. Especially Scotty. That was subtle enough on his part that pointing it out to people would not have been distancing, it would have been "malicious" and toxic chatroom if I were bad. The biggest thing to point to my civvieness is my blundering around like an idiot, lol.

Please guys, if you have time, reread Day One, ESPECIALLY Matt. I reread becasue I honestly did not think any of Epi, Nutella or even Wilgy was bad, even though I had thought so previously re Wilgy. And I had been trusting Bullz since Day 1, literally. So I thought rereading might give me some insights.

This reads as though you'd already decided to view me as bad before you ever went back to day one, and explains a lot.

DrWilgy wrote:It actually makes sense why the no kill was tonight rather tomorrow if Bullz is bad. Why would a baddie not kill Bullzeye last night? He's a shining star of civviness according to a majority of the thread, plus it seems SVS is easier to sway than Bullzeye. I had some thoughts that the kill order would've been:
Bullzeye -> Wait -> Lylo for game if SVS was bad.
Bullzeye -> SVS -> Coin Flip for game if nutella or Epi are bad.
Wait -> SVS -> Lylo for game if Bullzeye was bad.

Why does it only make sense if I'm bad and not if anyone else was? If I was bad I'd have killed SVS last night and not killed anyone the following night. No way I'd want both SVS and Epi still alive at this point, and Epi seems more firmly on my side so I'd probably have allowed him to live until the very end alongside you or Nutella.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Matt was playing you. I can't explain why he did what he did but it's obvious he was trying to get into your head and now you've finally let him. I didn't ask or need you to 'back me up'. You chose to do that and you chose to make your own stand against Matt. It wasn't distancing, it was Matt making a joke and reacting badly when people called it strange. Literally nothing you've said makes sense. Why would I have thrown Scotty under the bus? Why would I keep pushing against Matt constantly? Matt was constantly connecting us because he knew people would think he was trying to distance after his eventual flip. It's so obvious. You really have fallen for it.

S~V~S wrote:Now see, I AM voting Bullzeye.

I think I played right into Matts bullshit on day one. When I read back on it, the way he kept grouping us together while he was accusing me of being personal etc., Matt kept saying "SVS & Bullz". In retrospect, had I not been so mama bear since I <3 Bullz, and know he has been shafted more than once by that sort of thing, I would have seen itfor what it was.

Bullzshit.

Voting Bullzeye

I'm sorry but this just doesn't make sense. Why does Matt grouping us together and trying to dig at you make me bad? Do you really think I'm the type of player to bury his entire team the way I have this game?

S~V~S wrote:I actually reread most of this bitch, and have done some thinking.

I just popped in for a few minutes between family obligations. I think I have been seriously wrong about something from the beginning. I made an assumption, and Matt played me for all I am worth. Which wasn't much in this game, apparently. I will be out for several hours, just one question before I go.

Bullz, who do you most suspect?

I think you were honest that you wouldn't have killed Typh, though you did help kill Floyd during the ridiculous circumstances of day 2.

Epi had the chance to try to save Scotty but openly refused to take it. This could've been some hardcore risky distancing but as I've said before I don't think he'd have done the whole ridiculous Sawyer thing from the beginning if he was bad.

Wilgy I go back and forth on. His voting record isn't wonderful but there are living players and dead civs with worse ones. Overall he seems reasonable on a readthrough.

Nutella is the person I most suspect. She's been flip-flopping all game and never voted for a baddie. Not even Matt when it was super obvious he'd been outed by Floyd - despite acknowledging that this was the case. At one point she decided Wilgy and Scotty were baddie teammates, and voted Wilgy. A few hours before Scotty's lynch she said she thought he was genuine and then hours after the lynch (ie once Scotty was dead) shows up to say actually she'd become more convinced that Scotty was the baddie after all. She has the worst voting record of anyone alive and despite having made decent attempts at contributing, hasn't ever really said a word against either confirmed baddie except when it was too late.

*Votes Nutella*

Also I graduate on Thursday from my Masters course so I won't be in the thread at all for half of this lynch.

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:What about Epi Bullzeye?

Yeah, what about me?

What about you?

Wiggler asked.

That was a reference to Jacob's question to Ben before he got shanked. Do you even Lost, bro?

For srs though I don't think Epi would've hammed it up with the Sawyer references from so early on and for such a long time if he wasn't legit. I'm open to the idea I could be wrong though. At this point I'm open to anything.

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:What about Epi Bullzeye?

Yeah, what about me?

What about you?

That would make one of you or Nutella bad, and to be honest that's where I'm thinking the last baddie sits right now just on process of elimination...

Well that's me wrong. I thought I was on a roll this game.

a2thezebra wrote:nutella's latest post seems a bit waffly. You might want to lynch her tomorrow.

Not to sound too dramatic but I don't think there's going to be a tomorrow.

a2thezebra wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I've yet to hear a convincing argument for my baddieness, amigo.

Day 1: Defended Matt
Day 2: Pushed Floyd's lynch to save Matt
Day 3: Voted against Matt's lynch
Day 4: Defended Scotty and voted in a way that might have saved him.

Is that not enough?

No. It's illogical. Do you remember what I actually did on Day 2 aside from the very end? I went hard advocating for Matt's lynch while providing little-to-no argument as to why besides him possibly being saved Day 1. I only went after Floyd at the very end, and since most of the Matt's votes that ended up on Floyd were only there in the first place because of my confidence, that basically means that on Day 2 I saved Matt from myself. Other than that, all you have is a shitty voting record. I know I can't prove this to you, but I'll say it anyway: if I was bad and knew who my teammates were then my voting record would be significantly better. So I've still yet to hear a convincing argument.

Saved Matt from yourself? There were very good reasons to want to lynch Matt on day 2 and I don't believe that your 'confidence' was that big of a deal. The fact remains you're responsible for defending two baddies and for pushing the lynch of an important civ. As far as I'm concerned your behaviour in relation to the two confirmed baddies makes you the best candidate for their teammate and therefore: *Votes Zebra*.

a2thezebra wrote:I've yet to hear a convincing argument for my baddieness, amigo.

Day 1: Defended Matt
Day 2: Pushed Floyd's lynch to save Matt
Day 3: Voted against Matt's lynch
Day 4: Defended Scotty and voted in a way that might have saved him.

Is that not enough?

Epignosis wrote: I'm keen on hearing from Sassafras and Bully Boy though. I left them have their way, and it worked out. Sometimes I ain't the smartest person on the island. I know that now.

I still feel like it's Zebra. She was super defensive over Matt and even pushed Floyd's lynch to save him, and defended Scotty too. I'm willing to consider other options but I've yet to hear a convincing argument for Zebra's innocence.

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Good result. So when are we gonna do something about the person who has strongly defended both lynched baddies? Because I feel like we can make this a pretty short game.

Do you want to do something about me or do you want to win?

Not everything is about you :P

Sometimes it's about other people, like Zebra.

Good result. So when are we gonna do something about the person who has strongly defended both lynched baddies? Because I feel like we can make this a pretty short game.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm currently leaning Epi since I'm pretty sure he just pulled a case out of his ass to justify not voting for you before the day ends and in turn cause another civ (Scotty) to be lynched.

Let's hope things don't turn out that way.

What makes you so sure Scotty is civ? Is it the same thing that caused you to trust Matt so much that you pushed Floyd's lynch to save him?

Epignosis wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Do y'all need my opinion or something?

No, but I want it.

I need to find my glasses. Lost the damn things near the cave where Kate and I were doing a little horizontal mambo now that Jack's gone.

You wish.

Scotty wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Not sure how much time I'll have over the coming days (hopefully none tbh because it'll mean I've finally got onto a phd) so I'll cast my vote while I know I have a few minutes. Of the two who look like big candidates I think *Scotty* is more likely to be bad. His weird pushing against SVS thing looks suspicious to me, like he's trying to make something of nothing. More thoughts shortly when I've finished catching up.

Welcome to the party. Take a ticket.
Why does butting heads with SVS look suspicious? "like he's trying to make something of nothing" Is there a parrot in here? Are you just repeating what SVS said?

It's not the butting heads, it's the insistence on making something out of her saying she wouldn't kill Typh. Like you really want people to think she did. It just feels weird.

a2thezebra wrote:
Also, Bullz's last two posts pinged the shit out of me. I'm now thinking it's just as likely to be Wilgy/Bullz as it might be Wilgy/Epi.

No U.

I still suspect Zebra too for her defense of Matt and the weirdness of day 2. I think she's quite likely to be bad but on catching up Scotty has kinda caught my eye and I want to see what's going on there about as much as I want to prove Zebra is bad.

Not sure how much time I'll have over the coming days (hopefully none tbh because it'll mean I've finally got onto a phd) so I'll cast my vote while I know I have a few minutes. Of the two who look like big candidates I think *Scotty* is more likely to be bad. His weird pushing against SVS thing looks suspicious to me, like he's trying to make something of nothing. More thoughts shortly when I've finished catching up.

Finally! Sorry to see you go Matt but you were so obviously bad I'm shocked it's taken us this long to get rid of you. Was worried we'd see a repeat of your survival in Beatles.

So now he's basically admitted it can we finally let this guy get lynched?

DrWilgy wrote:Anyone care to talk about how if Matt flips civ, Zebra is Scum?

How about how Zebra was defending Matt on day 1 and pushed against his lynch on day 2 despite having initially said he was bad? Zebra is more likely to be bad if Matt is bad than if he isn't, IMO.

a2thezebra wrote:There's a number of things wrong with that rainbow list of mine, yet it takes more than a quick glance to notice all of them.

1. Epignosis, who I'm currently voting for, is fairly high among the civilian reads.
2. DFaraday, Floyd, and Long Con (who is a neutral gun-to-head scum read) are all dead.
3. Ricochet isn't playing this game.
4. Rain Man does not exist.
5. Golden is the host.
6. I have a very strong scum read of myself.

Scotty only noticed (or at least only made note of noticing) Number 3.
nutella only noticed (or at least only made note of noticing) Number 6.

Everyone else made no mention of the list at all, which I find interesting.

Similar to what Epi said, I saw the list and all the flaws but just assumed you were trying to get attention so ignored it. Why do you find it interesting?

I want to point out my vote isn't based on what we aren't allowed to discuss as I'd actually completely forgotten Floyd's post when Golden brought it up. I just think Matt was the obvious person for a role checker to target on night one based on how the first lynch went and that combined with Floyd's day 2 vote has me convinced.

Matt wrote:
At this point, I don't think town will be able to move on until I'm gone.

I agree. Sorry Matt, but I think it's pretty obvious Floyd had checked you at this point. *Votes Matt*. Not to worry though, I'm sure your team will come up with some crazy scheme to save you at the last minute again.

Matt wrote: Dead Floyd - You can't answer, but I'm having trouble with your last post. I'd like to know what your "legitimate reason" of voting me was, considering you are the rolechecker? Seriously wtf? The only thing I can think of is you checked Bullz and he checked out civvie, so you figured I was a baddie going after him?

The obvious solution to this is that he checked you and you came back bad. Not sure why you're even asking him since as you point out he can't answer.

Sorsha wrote:I interpreted what Typh said as not all the roles from the show made it into the game and Golden told the others what roles are not in the game i.e. Safe to fake claim.

Linki- I was hoping you were Kate and that Jack saved Kate last night but ok, Shannon.

I'm pretty sure Kate would have made the cut... Anyone going to claim that?

I literally did in my last post. Bolded it and everything.

Sorsha wrote:Ok these are the hints/claims that I have found:

Zebra- won't claim
Long Con- Locke
DrWilgy- Michael
Sorsha- jack
Nutella-Jin
Scotty- Charlie
Bullzeye- Kate
Typhoony- no hint but I'm pretty sure he's a lostie
Matt- sun
S~V~S- Sayid
Epignosis- Sawyer
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Floyd- Hurley
DF- Boone

Guess I'll have to get in on this whole info thing too. Not a fan of it but sure.

Typhoony wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

nutella wrote:@ sorsha - Wilgy already said hasn't even seen Lost, so no way he'd make that up.


anyway, shit, RIP Floyd. Kinda weird how those votes suddenly happened, I'm not really clear on why. But I just want to lynch Zebra even more.

Makes me think Matt and Zebra are very likely to be baddie teammates now.

"Matt is definitely bad because he has to be but within a couple of hours of his imminent demise lol jk I'm gonna push people to lynch Floyd now instead because actually it was him all along or something"

nutella wrote:@ sorsha - Wilgy already said hasn't even seen Lost, so no way he'd make that up.


anyway, shit, RIP Floyd. Kinda weird how those votes suddenly happened, I'm not really clear on why. But I just want to lynch Zebra even more.

Makes me think Matt and Zebra are very likely to be baddie teammates now.

Long Con wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I really don't understand what's going on now.

In an alternate timeline, you are getting lynched today.

Because Matt says so and picked a role at random to claim?

I really don't understand what's going on now.

Typhoony wrote:Zebra do you have info that Matt is bad?

Do you count being on the same team as info? :P

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt wrote:Bullz - Whenever you come back in, please explain your vote on me. Like I said, you above all others know I have fun accusing you every game, so why in THIS game do you automatically assume I'm 99.9% bad?

Looking forward to your answer.

I think you're using "I have fun accusing you every game" as if it clears you of any suspicion. Like just because you do it (and you don't always do it) that means you can't be bad or something. I didn't automatically assume anything I just feel confident you're probably a baddie.

Hey slick, how are you confident someone is "probably" bad? I took a math class once, and that ain't how probability work.

Tuft-Head is probably not bad. I am confident that the probability that he is bad is 25%- the same as it is for everybody.

I don't see what point there is to this post other than to be pedantic about language use. You know what I mean.

Matt wrote:Bullz - Whenever you come back in, please explain your vote on me. Like I said, you above all others know I have fun accusing you every game, so why in THIS game do you automatically assume I'm 99.9% bad?

Looking forward to your answer.

I think you're using "I have fun accusing you every game" as if it clears you of any suspicion. Like just because you do it (and you don't always do it) that means you can't be bad or something. I didn't automatically assume anything I just feel confident you're probably a baddie.

*Voting Matt*. I'm 99.9% sure he's bad at this point.

I think you were trying to defend Matt but didn't want to vote him and lose a teammate so early in the game, but have now accepted that he's probably going down and therefore are turning on him immediately so you don't look like someone who lynched a civ to help a teammate.

a2thezebra wrote:Matt on the other hand is 100% civ Matt.

- Faraday is revealed to be civ -

a2thezebra wrote:Prepare to die Matt.

Doesn't look fishy at all.

Referring to Faraday's hints there, somehow didn't get linki on the second post.

What if he was nearly an hour away from being lynched and getting desperate?

To be fair, Faraday's recent hints have been as subtle as a plane falling off a cliff. I mean I guess he could be lying but I think Matt is definitely more likely to be bad.

Matt wrote:Bullz, do you really think I'm bad or are you just sour because I suspected you? Maybe SVS is right and you don't enjoy my poking and prodding of you in every game? If so, my bad. Just havin' funsies, dude, I figured you knew that.

I don't think you did suspect me though, there was no possible reason why you could have based on what I'd posted up until you showed up but you were really awkward about it and got defensive over it. One of the things that does make me suspect you is the way you were like "I'm not bad I always go after Bullz" as if that should be some perfect alibi. I think you did it because you expected everyone else to think just that, that this was you being Matt and therefore you probably aren't bad because you're just being zany. Clearly that plan backfired.

Matt wrote:And no, I will not find a quote like that. However, you just agreeing with Typh on creating a five way tie is definitely suspish, and I'm amazed that nobody else sees that.

You won't find a quote like that because no such quote exists. I don't think Typh was seriously arguing in favour of maintaining a five-way tie throughout the day and I definitely wasn't planning on leaving my vote where it was. It was just a fun placeholder and nothing more. The fact you've scrambled to make a big deal of it is telling.

Matt wrote: Bullz - I don't see how a five way tie benefits town at all. Please explain why you do.

Quote me saying anything remotely close to "I think a five way tie benefits town" and then I will.

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I suppose I can get behind a five-way tie for the time being... May change later though!

*LC*

Originally, it was a fun changeable vote, but after several players have looked at me hardcore for daring to suspect poor Bullz, and then posts like this...

Why do you want a five way tie?

Why shouldn't I? Should I be taking day 1 more seriously? This is ridiculous. You say you always suspect me and all this but you never come right out of the gate before I've even had the chance to contribute and start trying to set me up for a lynch. Now you've found fault with a fun vote as if that justifies your weak arguments in any way. I'll break the tie if it means so much to you. *Votes Matt*

In fact I almost definitely will change my vote at some point but this huge tie just looks cool.

I suppose I can get behind a five-way tie for the time being... May change later though!

*LC*

I might end up voting Matt just for being a butt but I've not yet decided. From looking at the way votes have fallen I wouldn't be surprised if we end up having a tie between everybody!

Matt wrote:I've never played a Lost game before, this will be fun!

Liking Zeebs right now, she seems like her scary civ self...

Bullz, why shouldn't everyone vote for you Day one?

Because I'm not a baddie. Why shouldn't we vote for you?

TheFloyd73 wrote:Bullz, thoughts?

I think Matt is a big noob with no real sense of logic to any of his actions. He's my favourite muppet, but a muppet nonetheless.

Matt wrote:If Bullz were lynched and ended up civvie, just know deep down he was really mafia and wanted a town loss. I'm surprised more players aren't aware of Bullzeye's consistent anti-town sentiment.

I think everyone knows I rarely want to be a civ, but what I want has never had anything to do with it. When I am civ, I want the civs to win. Sometimes I even do when I'm not a civ if they really deserve it.

In conclusion, Matt is still a crazy person, the sky is still blue, and I don't think much else has happened so far that I find worthy of comment.