The Syndicate

Matt wrote:

bea wrote:Don't know what matt was going on about how we had to help him continue on to be able to solve it

You could read any one of my posts this game and know it is pure, pure, pure bs. Okay, maybe that's not true.

I thought TH was bad because I lied in thread and said Riddler targeted me twice (knock knock and shakespeare), which he didn't. Again, I'm not entirely sure what happened on Night 1/Day 2 regarding the knock knocks.

Anyway, so then TH was cursed two days in a row, and I think he blamed Riddler, and I thought "Well I'm lying, so TH must be lying?" Derp.

Oh yeah, when SVS went after me for Derps, I was trippin' out. Gotta watch that, I think you may be right SVS haha.

Bullz, again, I feel bad dude. I actually thought by targeting you with me, that'd be cool so you could still win even if I was NK'd. Shoulda done that for everyone, tbh.

You did nothing wrong. I knew I could win with Scarecrow NK'd tbh I just wanted to help the others who specifically needed him lynched. I did think about saying in the thread that I only needed Scarecrow to die so I'd be happy for the baddies to kill him and set me up if nobody wanted to lynch Dom. Obviously that wouldn't have worked out but since I'd have survived a lynch I thought it was a risk worth taking.

I dunno about Penguin being the least of the inmates, Bane didn't even have so much as a win condition until day four!

Dom wrote:Wow! Amazing game! Thank you Epi for creating such a fun world. Civvies you kicked ass. Made it very hard for me to see a path to victory. Disappointing that I didn't win, but very good game.

Golden I think it's very clear why I felt so comfortable bussing my team.


DH awesome job with those riddles. My next guess was either gonna be eyeliner or a theater. I blocked you because I suspected you were the riddler but didn't want you to start killing as Epi has hinted might start happening.

I'm sorry you lost. I thought the info I had was pretty straightforward in saying you were Scarecrow. Basically what I was thinking was you, as the Scarecrow, would name a target and name the player they need dead. Then Batman redirects your target to you, and obviously you can't make yourself need yourself dead, so Epi and LC decided to make your target (me) need you dead instead of presumably MP. I just didn't want to be a dick about it so I waited for you to say something I could leap on.

bea wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't know why some of you independents didn't just target the shit out of non-players.

my power only worked on people actually playing the game...so yea...

If after I made my alignment choice, Epi had said to me "You've taken a ton of Bane's magic steroids and are now an angry murder machine, go kill everybody" (like I was hoping for) the no-shows and low posters were top of my list.

Looking at the secrets I'm pretty glad I chose to oppose the Bat. I figured the he would eventually get himself NKed so I wouldn't have to worry about working out who he was, and just tried my best to divert people from looking at inmates/people I thought were inmates. A pity Matt targeted me, I'd have had his back. Speaking of which, when that whole thing came out about Matt being Batman that was the only time I briefly considered being pro-Wayne Manor. I went anti mostly because I was hoping to get a cool power out of it or maybe it'd let me join a baddie team. When I found out what my choice actually did I spent the rest of the game thinking I'd picked wrong, but now I think I was right.

I feel bad more because I cost a bunch of other people the win rather than just myself. I also kinda wish Dom had won, if I'd thought for a second he was Falcone I wouldn't have wanted him dead. He was playing pretty well and I didn't need the baddies dead.

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Can't sleep. Can't believe how badly I screwed things up. I'm seriously just the worst.

I was surprised you (given your role) came out so strongly against someone. I would have thought you would have just hung back a little and let things play out.

I thought I would be useful for a change. I didn't think I could afford not to.

Can't sleep. Can't believe how badly I screwed things up. I'm seriously just the worst.

Sorry to everyone I just screwed out of a win. It definitely won't happen again.

I had info that Dom's target was redirected to himself the night scarecrow made me need scarecrow dead. It seemed so obvious. I'm such a fucking idiot. I'm seriously done with how shit at this game I am.

I really fucked that up. I'm done.

FUCK.

Is it worth staying up to wait for the lynch post? It's already gone 2am.

juliets wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Was that not obvious? I feel completely sure Dom is Scarecrow. If I'm wrong the embarrassment will kill me. But I really do think he's Scarecrow.

Well, when I asked before if you were 100% sure Lorab was not scarecrow I felt like you were walking back on that a little bit. But you're willing to put it forth again so I'm going to believe you. My vote will just tie it up though. By the way, the only reason I was doubting it was Dom that was really a ballsy move if he's scarecrow and he said he was scarecrowed last night.

Thanks. Hopefully LoRab shows up to save herself. Basically my whole point is I think Dom made a big risk by saying he got Scarecrowed and then using that to clear himself of suspicion. It was a risk for him, I don't think it paid off though.

Was that not obvious? I feel completely sure Dom is Scarecrow. If I'm wrong the embarrassment will kill me. But I really do think he's Scarecrow.

You shouldn't vote LoRab. I'm 100% sure she's not Scarecrow. We can lynch her tomorrow if people think she's Falcone.

I'm also totes invisible :P But yeah this is important. I hope JC and LoRab make it in to vote. I also really hope LoRab isn't Falcone.

Golden wrote:I'm the last person to defend Dom, lol, but seriously when he needs half his infected people alive why was he going after me when Mac was alive? It seems like bullz is pushing his hunch and calling evidence conspiracy. I'm not in a conspiracy with Dom.

You ask this as if I haven't already explained that Scarecrow probably doesn't want to look like he's defending his own victims. He went after you so you'd ask this question now if it ever came up.

I'd love it. I bet his other victims would too.

juliets wrote:oh jesus you guys I do not need this. Bullz you said you are 100% sure the scarecrow is not Lorab? Or was that someone else? Anything more you can talk about regarding that claim?

I'm certain LoRab isn't the Scarecrow because I have a hunch Dom is. Matt seems to think I have info, I don't. Please don't think I do. I just really strongly believe I'm right. I could end up looking an absolute fool over it, but I do believe Dom is Scarecrow. If what I've said already doesn't convince you, there's nothing else I can add. Whatever choice you make I hope it's the right one!

DH, you disappoint me.

Enrique wrote:Dom trying to use the you love talking about your own role! earlier kinda rubbed me the wrong way, but I don't think the Scarecrow would have missed the opportunity to spook someone last night.

lmao what if

@Hosts: Can the Scarecrow spook himself?

It would also have been the perfect night for Scarecrow to fake a claim, after so much discussion of how he'd potentially done it already.

I'm at least 90% sure. I could be hilariously wrong but it just feels like I'm right. I rarely get this way. It was the "Hey guys I was targeted by Scarecrow last night and guess what nobody the Scarecrow targeted can be him" that first got my eye, but if you look at his responses to me he doesn't actually address anything I've said. He claims that he brought you up, Enrique, as a possibility, but my case revolves around his actions today specifically. All he said about you today is "Enrique?". That and a single reference in day 10 to something you did years ago. Since claiming to have been Scarecrowed, he's pushed a subtle agenda that that should clear him of any suspicion by suggesting that only the people Scarecrow hasn't targeted can be suspects. When LoRab called him out on this, suddenly he accused her of being Scarecrow. The NO U there was super obvious.

S~V~S wrote:You really remind me of me in LOST again, I was so sure. I hope you are right.

I hope I'm right too. I really think I am. I don't know if it will matter though. Of the people left that I expect will vote, LoRab and Dom will probably vote defensively, I've no idea about DH or JC, but Enrique clearly isn't interested in trusting me.

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I seriously feel like there's some kind of bts conspiracy to discredit me and protect Dom. This must be what it's like to be Matt.

Lorab seems like a good option, but I feel like Bullz knows something. I'm going to vote Dom.

The leading theory in this thread seems to be that I don't know shit. But seriously as much as I appreciate your support, I don't have info. I just have a hunch.

I seriously feel like there's some kind of bts conspiracy to discredit me and protect Dom. This must be what it's like to be Matt.

Matt wrote:The evidence seems to point more to Lorab, but I'm wondering if Bullz has info or some such. Like, he's really pushing hard for a Dom lynch.

SVS - Where do you think your vote is going today?

The only way I could have info is if I were Penguin, and Dom has never voted for me.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:When LoRab doesn't flip Scarecrow (and hopefully not Falcone either), can we at least lynch Dom next?

Wanna lynch Dom right now?

No. I'm pretty sure he's Batman.

When LoRab doesn't flip Scarecrow (and hopefully not Falcone either), can we at least lynch Dom next?

Enrique wrote:I'm mostly inclined to agree with Typh's case, I think it's exactly the kind of cross-checking that was necessary to get the Scarecrow. I don't necessarily agree that the waffling on Dom is a point against her because, yeah, she changed her mind but I agree Dom is almost certainly not the Scarecrow now. She's still spent the whole game steering clear of other victims and I think that's very telling.

linki- yeah Bullz that's a bit too many layers of wifom. I don't think the Scarecrow was counting on being examined this closely.
Matt I don't think DH is a cop but otherwise idk.

It's not even WIFOM it's just common sense. It's no different to a baddie distancing from teammates really. But fine, whatever. I don't care.

Enrique wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:It benefits Scarecrow more to look like he doesn't want his victims dead. Somebody going around saying let's lynch *scarecrow victim* is going to look a lot less likely to be Scarecrow and therefore draw less attention.

Yeah Bullz you might be overthinking that a little.

Am I overthinking it or is it a really obvious strategy for Scarecrow? If I was Scarecrow I wouldn't come into the thread making it obvious that this specific set of people are people I most certainly don't want dead.

Bullzeye wrote:It benefits Scarecrow more to look like he doesn't want his victims dead. Somebody going around saying let's lynch *scarecrow victim* is going to look a lot less likely to be Scarecrow and therefore draw less attention.

EBWOP. I bet that double negative is going to drive Epi crazy.

It benefits Scarecrow more to not look like he doesn't want his victims dead. Somebody going around saying let's lynch *scarecrow victim* is going to look a lot less likely to be Scarecrow and therefore draw less attention.

S~V~S wrote:I am not trying to argue with you, tbh, you remind me of me in LOST Again, when I was so sure about you and no one believed me, I had to beg Nutella & Wilgy to vote for you.

Linki, Well, then, maybe he is wrong. Do you have a different role inmind for LoRab? Are you worried sheis last Falcone?

I think I feel now how you must have felt then tbh. I don't have a role in mind for LoRab. I just feel very sure she's not Scarecrow and want to be sure we can free his victims before we do end the game. I'm worried she's Falcone in as much as I'd be worried you were Falcone if today's lynch looked like it'd be between you and Dom.

Seriously I don't know why I feel like I'm being pushed into defending LoRab. I don't care if we lynch her tomorrow as long as we lynch Scarecrow today and I'm convinced Dom is Scarecrow.

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry Bullz, I just don't have any large reason to believe Dom is Scarecrow over anyone else at this point, and he is reading genuine to me.

I take comfort in the fact I won't be the only one who loses because nobody agreed with me. I know it's not a huge case but it is something I feel strongly about and I have already pointed out what I think is a pretty big hole in the case for LoRab being Scarecrow.

This post makes me wonder if Lorab and Bullz are some sort of Falcone/Thorne or Falcone/Catwoman pairing, and Bullz is telling us the game is about to end with a lot of losers if we lynch Lorab.

Hrm.

I have no idea what LoRab's role is, but I'm 100% sure she isn't Scarecrow. What night was it she targeted you to need MP dead? Five? Yet Typh himself says she wouldn't have been around to know MP's role had been figured out by that point.

She posted both Day Five & Night Five, though

This proves Typh wrong just as much as it does me in all fairness. If she was around then she probably could tell that MP's role had been made obvious. Typh says Scarecrow not targeting MP himself til night 7 is evidence for LoRab being Scarecrow as she maybe didn't know what had happened until then.

Also Matt if I were Thorne I'd have picked you to support as quickly as I possibly could, so you can cross that one off the conspiracy list.

Linki - Doing so made it very easy for Dom to suddenly claim Scarecrow victims couldn't possibly BE Scarecrow, so yeah I do think that.

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry Bullz, I just don't have any large reason to believe Dom is Scarecrow over anyone else at this point, and he is reading genuine to me.

I take comfort in the fact I won't be the only one who loses because nobody agreed with me. I know it's not a huge case but it is something I feel strongly about and I have already pointed out what I think is a pretty big hole in the case for LoRab being Scarecrow.

This post makes me wonder if Lorab and Bullz are some sort of Falcone/Thorne or Falcone/Catwoman pairing, and Bullz is telling us the game is about to end with a lot of losers if we lynch Lorab.

Hrm.

I have no idea what LoRab's role is, but I'm 100% sure she isn't Scarecrow. What night was it she targeted you to need MP dead? Five? Yet Typh himself says she wouldn't have been around to know MP's role had been figured out by that point.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry Bullz, I just don't have any large reason to believe Dom is Scarecrow over anyone else at this point, and he is reading genuine to me.

I take comfort in the fact I won't be the only one who loses because nobody agreed with me. I know it's not a huge case but it is something I feel strongly about and I have already pointed out what I think is a pretty big hole in the case for LoRab being Scarecrow.

No one ever listens to me...

You know what? I can't. You're right. It would make sense for her to be waffling on Dom now that he claims to have been Scarecrowed.

I definitely think Dom looks worse than LoRab. IMO the most damning part of Typh's case is the point about MP, which falls apart when you realise that we have confirmation Scarecrow was making people need MP dead shortly after his failed lynch, regardless of how long it took to target MP himself. That shows that Scarecrow was here and paying attention at the time of MP's role becoming obvious.

In fact I feel pretty strongly about this and don't think I can be convinced otherwise, so I'll be *Voting Dom* now to get this out of the way.

Isn't it though? It's true for today at least, looking through your posts I don't see where you've called out anyone individually save for LoRab after she called you out. Literally your posts go from "I've been scarecrowed" to "Juliets? DH? Enrique?" I'll grant you Enrique is a Scarecrow victim but it's not as if you put any substance behind that query. Then you make a post implying that Scarecrow suspects should be selected only from the pool of people he hasn't yet targeted (a pool which, conveniently enough, no longer includes you) and then directly accuse LoRab after she points this out.

Dom wrote: But it ISN'T all I've been talking about? I have spun a few theories around, I commented on teh possibility of LoRab. I've discussed Enrique possibility. I'm trying to play a game. Discussion has gone way down. You are cherrypicking here.

Show me where I said it was all you've been talking about.

Dom wrote: Discussion of Typh's LoRab case snipped
Bullz, you are picking data to fit a conclusion you've already made. I have discussed many other possibilities other than the one you perseverate on.

The post you quoted wasn't even about you, it was about my opinion on Typh's LoRab case.

Typhoony wrote:Mp was targeted by scarecrow n7. His failed lynch was d4 I think. Since Robin is a role no player normally needs dead, why not immediately target him as scarecrow?

Unless you were not paying a lot of attention, perhaps because you were out of the country like Lorab was.

Well Matt was targeted to need MP dead on night 5 going off the lists people have posted. Whoever Scarecrow hit on night 6 is presumably dead, and I don't think Scarecrow is allowed to make people want their own role dead. No idea what happened to him the night he hit me, maybe he was redirected or his power was messed with in some other way but the fact Matt has needed MP dead since night 5 goes against what I think you're trying to say.

Basically Scarecrow may not have targeted the Boy Wonder himself until night 7, but he definitely set up at least one person to need him dead between that night and his initial lynch fail.

Typhoony wrote:I went through LoRabs posts, mostly to see if she could be Falcone. But I hadn't seriously considered LoRab as scarecrow yet... and I think that makes more sense.

- It would explain why MP was scarecrowed later than his failed lynch. She was out of the country for the first couple weeks of the game so not a lot of time to keep up, it would make sense that she had not realized that MP basically outed himself until later on.

Not sure I understand this unless you mean why people weren't targeted to need MP dead? In which case I can't quite remember which day MP was outed so I dunno.

Typhoony wrote:- She never really mentioned any of the Scarecrowed peeps (Golden, Mac, Matt, MP, Bullz or Enrique) until today, when she says Enrique is her top Falcone suspect. She has not pushed this beyone the one post, however.

Well fair enough, this is a reasonable point. She has been something of a lower poster this game though and it's possible the same could be said of others.

Typhoony wrote:- Her top 3 list for Scarecrow on Day 10 was DH/Dom/me, all not scarecrowed at the time. Today, Dom has been scarecrowed, and her gut read for Scarecrow is DH. She seems to now waffle on Dom.

This is a good point.

Typhoony wrote:- There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence (her saying she thinks Scarecrow is more likely to be a male player) but you could probably find that for anyone who's talked about the Scarecrow so I'm hesitant to look too much into that.

Strictly speaking any given role is more likely to be a male player but I know that's not the point. My argument that Dom is suspicious because of his comments regarding who is or isn't Scarecrow is pretty similar.

I see where you're coming from but I still feel more strongly about Dom.

I'll have a look at your LoRab post now then.

There isn't a huge amount to it, hence the crazy, but I do find it suspicious that "Hey I was scarecrowed last night also anyone who says they've been scarcrowed probably isn't him". It's just a gut feeling mostly for now.

Yes. It's a hunch that grew as I was catching up earlier.

Matt wrote: I was thinking maybe it was Dom, too, but I don't think Dom would march into the thread a day after we started to take the Scarecrow hunt seriously and announce "oh hai guys i was scarecrow'd too haha".

I mean he did follow that up by basically excluding everyone who the Scarecrow has targeted as possible Scarecrow suspects. I find that suspicious. I actually think he could be Scarecrow tbh.