The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am I am super confused about whatever is going on with Dizzy right now... uh... sim is running behind and I'm trying to do both at once, it's not going well for my brain. Let me try and look back over this stuff.

Of all the things going on, you're jumping into this commenting on being confused about Dizzy?

You're voting alongside Dizzy.

This makes me think bad things about you despite your empowered return.

Perhaps Daisy is on the team that forced Dizzy to vote for Jay. If I decide to believe that I would move my vote off of Jay.

Guys I've changed my mind about 5704893 times today

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:35 am Actually no, nutella, I don't care about your read on me right now. It's negative and not budging until further notice. Talk to me about LoRab instead.

Fake news. My read on you has fluctuated a fair amount in the last day. For most of this day phase I've chosen and stuck with the idea that you are more likely bad than Epi, but I'm not actually 100% on you despite appearances.

Lorab is a very waffley read for me right now but GTH bad.

Care to join me on the LoRab wagon?

I was on it briefly when you asked me to. You snooze you lose.

I could also go for a tie between Jay and LC. There are people I trust in both voter pools, and I've had so much trouble deciding whether I think people are bad or not that I'm cool with leaving it up to chance tbh.

Jay, I like your thoughts on LC. I'll vote for him. If you're wrong I'll lynch you next.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:35 am Actually no, nutella, I don't care about your read on me right now. It's negative and not budging until further notice. Talk to me about LoRab instead.

Fake news. My read on you has fluctuated a fair amount in the last day. For most of this day phase I've chosen and stuck with the idea that you are more likely bad than Epi, but I'm not actually 100% on you despite appearances.

Lorab is a very waffley read for me right now but GTH bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:31 am nutella, move your vote to LoRab.

OK, sure. That's inconsequential anyway, but Lorab and LC are equally decent candidates in my view. But if anyone reconsiders and goes back to wanting to lynch Sloonei I'm coming right back.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am Jay, move your vote to Sloonei.

Why? Give me abridged version.

I wanted you to move off Dizzy and Sloonei is my preferred lynch, though LC is fine too. I also wanted to see if you would do it (would have been a three-way tie including yourself anyway but now it's not so it doesn't work the same way) whatever LC is a fine choice

Oh you just moved off Dizzy. K whatevs

Jay, move your vote to Sloonei.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:27 pm MacDougall
DrWilgy
Kylemii
Dyslexicon
FZ.
Spacedaisy
Epignosis
novaselinenever
LoRab
Long Con
speedchuck
JaggedJimmyJay
Marmot
Sloonei

Ugh this is so arbitrary. I... I really don't put much stock in any of this. But GTH right now it's something like this.

Talk to me about your three bottom reads and Dyslexicon please and thank you.

Jay is bad. Marmot is bad. Sloonei is bad. Dyslexicon is good.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:07 pm I don't think Sloonei is bad. He has no discernible teammates and has had non teammate interactions with everyone except the lowest low posters.

What are his non-teammate interactions with Jay? And to what extent can any of the things you deem non-teammate interactions be explained away with WIFOM?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:52 pm Lynching me today would be even more stupid than yesterday

MacDougall
DrWilgy
Kylemii
Dyslexicon
FZ.
Spacedaisy
Epignosis
novaselinenever
LoRab
Long Con
speedchuck
JaggedJimmyJay
Marmot
Sloonei

Ugh this is so arbitrary. I... I really don't put much stock in any of this. But GTH right now it's something like this.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], I could try a rainbow but I am feeling very ill-equipped to commit to most of my reads right now since I really keep flipping back and forth on them. I really need to learn something from this lynch, and I don't think I'll be able to even begin to rest until I know Sloonei's alignment at least.


lol @ "GTH I'd probably just die." That summarizes how I feel about this game so far

FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:41 pm @linki: What's LMS?

Last Man Standing (a style of game without traditional teams). I was making a joke in reference to a recent game where LC faked thinking the game was LMS when it wasn't.

I like Epi's case on FZ. Personally, I tend to hedge a lot, because I'm often uncertain/indecisive, but the things he called out in her post are questionable. I don't know why Epi just changed his vote to Dizzy though. Epi, were you voting for FZ when you posted that case and did you like her last couple posts?

I'm liking her a bit more now after her last couple posts. Looking more town. But I think she's still a compatible teammate for my sloonei/jay tinfoil scenario. Tinfoil Scenario would be a great name for a jam band.

FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:24 pm
LC is one of my new top suspects. His game style feels like something I've seen lots of mafia do. He's asking clarification questions. It's something LC doesn't normally do. For example:

hey [mention]Long Con[/mention] this game is LMS right?

hmmmmmmmmmm

this game is fucking hard

anyway y'all have been talking too much and I'm not focusing very well atm so I'll come back in the morning. idk how I feel about LC's case on speed; I don't think I agree with most of it but I always have trouble reading speed, and I haven't sorted out whether I think making the case was a good look for LC. didn't really like jay jumping on it though. honestly part of me is becoming more confident that jay is bad than that sloonei is bad (I do think they could be teammates but I'm starting to feel like Jay could be bad without sloonei) and the more I think about it the more I believe I should follow my hunch because it's so rare for me to suspect Jay that if something feels wrong then something probably is wrong (which was the case in Mountains). sorry I'm just rambling a little incoherently I'm pretty sleepy

nah I understood what you meant I just thought it was funny from the wording

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:25 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:22 am wait wtf Jay pressure-voted for Sloonei rather than immediately voting for Epi like he was supposed to? Nice try dude, that actually makes me lean back toward the Sloonei-and-Jay-are-scumbuddies side.

I don’t care.

Do you think nutella is mafia?

Light green skittle.

Why bark like that at someone you have a civ read on? You are a dominant voice and you could discourage her from continuing to analyse the game. If she is civ you should encourage her.

lmao oh yeah I'm so intimidated by the big scary boys, such a discouraging environment

Sloonei there is no way you can justify thinking both me and Epi are bad. You're full of shit. I know I said I would side with you against Epi but you keep changing my mind. Vote's on you for now.

wait wtf Jay pressure-voted for Sloonei rather than immediately voting for Epi like he was supposed to? Nice try dude, that actually makes me lean back toward the Sloonei-and-Jay-are-scumbuddies side.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:17 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:00 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:56 am That is one thing you and I can agree on, but more on that when I post the coherent version of my thoughts later. First let's hear some conversation in here and it better be more than conversation about freaking Kyle or people just saying Epi is a foregone conclusion. That's just about as lame as my lynch was. Even if he is lynched, don't sit there and twiddle your thumbs and say, aren't we all just voting Epi?

Since you've had a 24-hour period of just being able to ruminate without posting, I have a request of you. I'm going to put some pairings below. Make the assumption, in each pairing, that one is scum and one is not. Then tell me which one you'd shoot.

Epi vs Jay
Epi vs Sloonei
Dizzy vs FZ
LoRab vs Marmot

Feel free to throw one out if you have no thoughts on it, or throw another pair in.

Epi
Epi
Dizzy
LoRab

y tho

I'd have picked FZ and Marmot for sure (well Lorab vs Marmot is less sure but. guise dizzy is fosho town yo)

tell me about those two picks

Oh hey no death, and welcome back daisy!! And a nice message from Avram too, gonna reread that

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:09 am Actually, @everyone. GTH, say one of JJJ and sloonei are scum. Which one?

Sloonei, but they are far from mutually exclusive. If Sloonei is lynched and flips bad I would lynch Jay next. I think they are likely teammates.

God you guys I'm so torn. Half of me really wants to stick to my guns and lynch Epi but the other half really wants to stick to my other guns and lynch sloonei, and that second half sides with Epi on the notion of Sloonei/Jay w/w. I'm afraid of making the wrong choice... but it's still early game so I guess if I pick the wrong one first I'll go for the other next... hmmm

(nice atla reference though)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:14 pm (Basically I remember Epi vanishing when he had lost hope in that game and Epi here still seems to think he can turn some positive scumhunting out of this situation. He could still be evil, not disputing that, but I'm willing to look around as well.
Hopefully I'm remembering Night Vale correctly. Epi was bad, when people suspected him and said his goose was cooked, he just left. Because at that point, the aggro of the town wasn't worth making posts that weren't going to do him any good.
Granted, he has other teammates to help in this game, but him talking is just going to create WIFOMy links to other players.)

Why is Epi still here, still trying, when nobody wants to defend him?

k vizzini

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:45 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I would be saying nothing. I can't access chatzy at work. But if I were in chat, it's not like I'd be coaching you. I'm not that arrogant.

Apparently not great. Performance is about results, and half the game wishes they lynched you yesterday.

I mean, sure. All I expect my teammates to do is not implicate me if they self-destruct. If they all go out in a blaze of glory, I'd be fine with playing LMS.

That's buyer's remorse. If Spacedaisy had been bad, that wish would not exist so strongly.

Well I didn't buy Spacedaisy. I wanted either Sloonei or you to be lynched yesterday and it's not my fault everyone else screwed up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

1. I wouldn't speak to you any more than necessary for gameplay.
2. I'd figure you were acting brazen for the wifom, and you got caught, and you're posting this "exercise" in a last-ditch attempt to mitigate the damage.
3. Yes. I'm not here to babysit your ego.

You're not here to win as a civilian either.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:37 pm I'd say nutella cares about the roof.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

1. I wouldn't speak to you any more than necessary for gameplay.
2. I'd figure you were acting brazen for the wifom, and you got caught, and you're posting this "exercise" in a last-ditch attempt to mitigate the damage.
3. Yes. I'm not here to babysit your ego.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:23 pm Let's hurry up and figure out who we're lynching tomorrow. We won't be able to hunt after sunset tonight.

Huh?

It's the Sabbath, Nutella. I hope you've finished up your work for the day.

Of course.

Anyway, we're lynching Epi tomorrow. I thought we'd already decided that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:23 pm Let's hurry up and figure out who we're lynching tomorrow. We won't be able to hunt after sunset tonight.

Huh?

What's the point of caring about the roof if you don't care about the fiddle?

What else is a roof even for, if not some decent fiddlin'?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:18 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:04 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:33 am Epi and nutella cannot be teammates.

I'd like to hear more about this. I have absolutely no read on nutella after day 1, but she voted for me and is therefore my enemy.

See, it's this kind of thing that I don't like from you. I'm not your enemy if you're town, just like you wouldn't be Kyle's enemy if you're both town. I would just be misguided, and you could try to regain my trust. But your pleads when you were likely to be lynched sounded phony. And calling me your enemy for voting for you just really, really doesn't sound like civ Sloonei.

The enemy comment was unserious. Where else habe I done something like thay in this game?

The desperate tone you adopted to persuade people not to lynch you did not sound genuine, and the "enemy" comment, sarcasm notwithstanding, is in the same family. Phony phony phony.

Sloonei wrote:

Aside from this, my passions have cooled a little bit since EOD and I'm feeling more suspicious of Epi at the moment. I'm sort of stuck having to decide which one of Epi and Sloonei I want to commit to thinking is bad, and right around EOD I was really hyped up against Sloonei but now I'm leaning back toward Epi based on the discussion about him since EOD. My priority was going to be lynch Sloonei next and if he's town lynch Epi next, but I think I'm switching that priority now since Epi seems more likely.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:46 am Epi has leapfrogged kyle as my top suspect, if that was unclear.

I had my temporary truce with Epi against you since he and I both thought you were phony. Guess it's time for a temporary truce with you against him.

Why does it have to be one of us?

Because one or the other of you is bad and not both. Pretty clear imo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:19 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:42 am Me, I'll stick with a regular old rainbow.

MacDougall
DrWilgy
Kylemii
Dyslexicon
JaggedJimmyJay
Dave
novaselinenever
LoRab
speedchuck
Marmot
Sloonei
FZ.
Long Con
Epignosis

What did dyslexicon do to earn this placement?

Played like a townie.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:40 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:57 am I suppose my rainbow has the opposite problem from what I called out earlier; that is, a bit too orange-heavy, especially considering there are only 3 baddies (plus 1 indie). Perhaps I should try to narrow down POE more. I know I want to lynch Epi though so I figure I'll go from there (and Mac's teammate-compatibility analysis should help).

You'll do no such thing.

What, lynch you? Why not? You gonna NK me first?

I suppose my rainbow has the opposite problem from what I called out earlier; that is, a bit too orange-heavy, especially considering there are only 3 baddies (plus 1 indie). Perhaps I should try to narrow down POE more. I know I want to lynch Epi though so I figure I'll go from there (and Mac's teammate-compatibility analysis should help).

ebwop: Jay should be slightly greener than the yellows (dave and nova are neutral from posting no content), but Jay is slightly less strong of a town read than the other greens

Me, I'll stick with a regular old rainbow.

MacDougall
DrWilgy
Kylemii
Dyslexicon
JaggedJimmyJay
Dave
novaselinenever
LoRab
speedchuck
Marmot
Sloonei
FZ.
Long Con
Epignosis

This is a pretty cool chart/interaction-analysis-exercise, Mac. Seems like something that should be done more often.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:20 am What sounds more likely

JaggedJimmyJay and Dr.Wilgy are partners
Long Kyle and Kylemii are partners
Speedchuck and Epignosis are partners

Lmao @ Long Kyle

I think Speedchuck/Epi is fairly likely. The other two pairings I guess I could see but I have town reads on 3/4 of those names (I don't have a read on anybody named "Long Kyle" hahah no but really LC is pretty orange to me atm)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:16 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:20 pm I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

nutella it's interesting, Lorab only made 7 posts and one of them she took the time to make a civ read on you yet here you are with a mafia read on her? 7 posts, one of which is a civ clear on you and you think she is Mafia? What's that based on?

it's complicated. we have a history

lorab and I used to always trust each other because we often had similar thought processes/styles. I think she may be working with a slightly outdated view of my meta because she hasn't played with me very recently and I've been changing up quite a bit I think (or trying to), but she still correctly identifies me as town which could be legitimate but also could be lazy or (as you suggest about marmot) that she knows I'm good because she's bad. Since she hasn't been participating much at all it felt lazy to me, like she felt as if our past extensive familiarity with each other specially qualified her to weigh in on me. and I know she's been too busy to keep up/hasn't been online much, but I'm uncomfortable with how little she has said.

however, I think I had forgotten she'd called out Epi on her own terms. So actually scratch her being a likely teammate for him. I don't think she'd bus that hard.

Nah dude. Wolves are Epi and two of speedchuck, Long Con, or LoRab.

I'm good. Kyle's good. LC's prolly bad.

Wilgy's good. Marmot, who the fuck knows.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:33 am Epi and nutella cannot be teammates.

I'd like to hear more about this. I have absolutely no read on nutella after day 1, but she voted for me and is therefore my enemy.

See, it's this kind of thing that I don't like from you. I'm not your enemy if you're town, just like you wouldn't be Kyle's enemy if you're both town. I would just be misguided, and you could try to regain my trust. But your pleads when you were likely to be lynched sounded phony. And calling me your enemy for voting for you just really, really doesn't sound like civ Sloonei.

Aside from this, my passions have cooled a little bit since EOD and I'm feeling more suspicious of Epi at the moment. I'm sort of stuck having to decide which one of Epi and Sloonei I want to commit to thinking is bad, and right around EOD I was really hyped up against Sloonei but now I'm leaning back toward Epi based on the discussion about him since EOD. My priority was going to be lynch Sloonei next and if he's town lynch Epi next, but I think I'm switching that priority now since Epi seems more likely.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:46 am Epi has leapfrogged kyle as my top suspect, if that was unclear.

I had my temporary truce with Epi against you since he and I both thought you were phony. Guess it's time for a temporary truce with you against him.

Awww, I had a feeling when she said she didn't have a great role that she'd be Motel

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:06 am wolves are Sloonei, Sloonei, Sloonei, and Sloonei

not lazar wolf tho he's a good'un

Ooo she maaaad.

Don't worry, I'll hang those rascals.

Man I wanted there to be a 3-way tie between Daisy, Epi, and Sloonei. I can't make up my mind.

Other than that anticlimactic sudden majority, this was the most exciting Day 1 I've experienced in a long time. This is the shit I live for. This is the invigorating mafia drama I keep coming back for more of. Love you guys.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:28 am Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Your clone.

Jesus.

Jesus is Jay's clone?