The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Very good game, everyone. I think all the factions perfomed at a high level and it made for an intense, competitive environment. That's what I love to see in Mafia. Kudos for making that happen, sprityo. I'll have more to say later when time permits.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Honestly, this game has me thinking about Best Civilian 2017 for Sockys already. nutella and juliets fucking rocked it. speedchuck rocked it as an independent. And as Jay mentioned, so did nearly everybody from all the factions. This really seems as though it was a special game with everyone firing on all cylinders. I really got invested by the end myself despite being so unacquainted with it.

This and this.

Marmot wrote:Jay, roll a mafia role soon please.

And let me be on his team pretty please that would be the most exciting role pm ahahaha

I actually can't remember the last time I was bad either? I guess it was technically BSG but that was weird because I didn't have BTSC/didn't know who was on my team. It's been a while since I've been on a team/had BTSC and I miss it.

Long Con wrote:Mafia: A World Asunder will be the third in a series... and BR has started work on Recruitment Mafia 5 recently as well.

Sloonei you should see if you can find the archives for the World Reborn and Recruitment games. Most of their predecessors were on other sites though. But yeah, LC's flavor/worldbuilding is so fantastic and those games have always been epic. Would love to see you in one.

A lot of mafia, especially in endgame, is just a series of puzzles, and we can't all do every puzzle but everyone has different and complementary strengths. You essentially puzzled out the Fred and Speed lynches and it was beautiful to watch.

juliets wrote:I don't think I'll play another game like this because my lack of knowledge on these terms and ways of playing was a real hindrance. I'm sorry it was so annoying for you watchers. I don't think you understand how stressful this last day was.

I think you did a great job at the end! I personally really liked this setup and learning about the different kinds of roles/abilities I was unfamiliar with and trying to puzzle them out, and I'm looking forward to playing more games of this style. I think you'd do really well again too.

I don't mean to seem demeaning or anything about you not figuring stuff about because I was in a biased position and can't say how I would have done in your position. I will say that I puzzled out the double busdrive thing on my own after MP's claim but before reading the spoilers, but other than that there's a reason I said I was being uncharitable, lol. You played amazingly given the stressful circumstances, and pulled through at the end.

speedchuck wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:We actually Forged Golden's role to seem bad upon his death.
The relevant Long Con post.
Ah. I was just auto-ignoring any of the dead posts as WIFOM. Like, completely ignoring. The forger flip completely surprised me.

But he wasn't dead? lol

Juliets the fact that forge is not a well known term is exactly part of my point. He wouldn't have made it up, but he said what they did (just about the wrong person so it was still a lie).

Sloonei wrote:
nutella wrote:Everyone seemed to ignore that post of LC's though. Even when you were all discussing the weird mafia ratio numbers, it never occurred to you that one of them might have been a fake flip.
To be fair, we all had the advantage of seeing the irony of that post. To someone who was still in the game there was no reason to read into that post at all. But you're right, it was extremely frustrating to look at it just sitting there.

Well, LC specifically used the term "forge" which would have been weird for him to make up imo, and he claimed it was used on Golden but he was obviously lying, just not about the ability itself.

Everyone seemed to ignore that post of LC's though. Even when you were all discussing the weird mafia ratio numbers, it never occurred to you that one of them might have been a fake flip.

juliets wrote:nutella, I don't know how you would expect me to piece together Quin was good until he died and I took over and even then, it didn't make sense that I was not an odd night back up. Who ever heard of a backup role having more power than the original role? At the point where he died and I took over it really didn't matter what I thought - he was dead.

I thought that your role activation combined with LC's jokey hint at the Forge ability would be enough, even before Fred's flip. I do find it weird though that your role took over full-time for a previously odd-night only role, but I think it makes some amount of sense on a balance/game progression level.

PHEW!!! Thanks guys for pulling through on the amazing yet nailbiting win! And well-played Speedchuck, you played a great game.

Sloonei wrote:This was a very amusing game to watch from an informed position.

Frustrating, that is. I've been silently screaming at the thread (and not so silently screaming in the spoiler chat) for the last week. I got rather excessively and uncharitably annoyed that (a) juliets didn't piece together that Quin was good and (b) nobody puzzled out how the night 1 busdrive worked (for those of you who haven't read the spoilers yet: neither MP nor Golden lied. Marmot switched JJJ and Golden. Hence JJJ -> Golden -> Fredwood.)

I'm really glad town won and I wish I had been alive a little longer but nonetheless I enjoyed this game a TON. Like, really a lot. It's rekindled my mafia addiction. That may be because my ego was rather inflated by being seen as a super-civ who helped the game when really I was mostly just lucky

But also it was a fantastically constructed game. Well done and thank you sprityo

I'm on a date with the handful of dates I'm eating right now. They're delicious.

Wow this thread is almost as dead as I am today. What happened to the day periods being near impossible to keep up with? I guess it's missing the ol' sprinkling of paprika...

(where the heck is the popcorn smiley when i need it?!?!

good luck friends <3

insertnamehere wrote:
Fredwood wrote:If you're a LMS, why would you so aggressively pursue someone who was at least 50/50 supported as town?
I chose Dys as "angel protectee"

and tried to formulate a weak-ass case on him, in order to ensure he wouldn't be NK'd

what the fuck

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:If I die, I targeted Quin, then Nut.

I'm not claiming doctor.

So what are you claiming?

insertnamehere wrote:welp

time for a hail mary

I'M AN INDEPENDENT LMS ROLE

...ok? why do you think this will help you lol

Aaaaaa I want votals I am trying to decide if I should switch to INH because I am feeling less confident about Jack atm. I'm feeling very frazzled and not very confident about this lynch overall. Idk who I suspect most.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:I don't think it has to indicate a 'switch' at all. Sure, you and fred could have been targeted by busdriver Eloh, but all it needs indicate is that I was targeted by a redirector.
Actually yeah you're right. The alternative explanation is rather simple:

Marmot redirected you (and him targeting you on N1 sounds believable by default), and Elohcin targeted Fredwood with whatever. If Elohcin is Marmot's teammate though this'd mean that two baddies targeted Fredwood simultaneously. That'd be weird.

I dunno, I don't think Eloh looks like a civilian at face value.

No no no. Marmot's role targets the two targets that are switched (in this case that would be you and Fredwood). If this happened, then Eloh would have targeted you originally and been switched to Fred, but presumably Marmot's busdrive would also be seen as targeting Fred.
What Golden and Fred are trying to tell you is that Golden's target could have been redirected by something other than a busdrive (Fred has lots of fancy words for different things I don't understand, but one possibility is that someone has a role that allows them to be like "If Golden targets someone, switch that target to [either someone random or specifically Fredwood]"

@Dys, for what it's worth, I am voting for Jack. Vote for INH if you're so inclined, I certainly won't stop you, I've just found the wagon on him so far to be kinda sketchy. But I could be wrong about Jack. I just don't feel like I am at this point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.
The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.
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really?
I never asserted or implied that JOH is the only player who'd have killed Nacho.

I believe he is referring to this post. It's definitely not a slip, just an extreme interpretation of a discussion you had.

Golden wrote:
speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
I'm not sure why eloh would be the redirector. Wouldn't she have targeted me? I still don't follow this.

No, she would have targeted the two players who were switched as targets (JJJ and Fred). If her role works like Marmot's anyway.

Golden wrote:
nutella wrote:I'm pretty confused at the sudden influx of INH votes. I'm still pretty convinced that his behavior was not that of a marmot teammate. I could be wrong but I thought there was a pretty good reason we all backed off from him.
What's the good reason?

What I just said in the previous sentence. He had been defending/townreading Marmot for so strongly for the whole game that (especially combined with his strongly pushing the Dys case against marmot's lynch) would have been incredibly brazen of him to act that way as Marmot's teammate. I would be amazed if he was, but maybe he's the type to pull that. One point that others have brought up that may nudge me back toward thinking that is the fact that he's pretty much disappeared today with his tail tucked between his legs and has not made any effort to redeem himself.

Fredwood wrote:Lynch INH

I said I would lynch him so I guess I should, even if it looks like a superwagon at this point.

Also, Pink cus Fuck you that's why.

Y'know, I was gonna let you off the hook if you just didn't vote, because you defended your style of hesitance toward voting. But I found it pretty pingy when you kept saying you had been suspicious of Jack for a while and yet refrained from voting for him. Now you join the INH train. Any fool could see that if Jack's bad you're 100% his teammate.

I'm pretty confused at the sudden influx of INH votes. I'm still pretty convinced that his behavior was not that of a marmot teammate. I could be wrong but I thought there was a pretty good reason we all backed off from him.

Golden wrote:I'm trying to find the case on Jack.

I found a post from sloonei setting out marmot/jack interactions and saying he could see a jack vote. He referenced Jay's case on Jack. I can't find Jay's case, if it exists. I can find Jay talking about what he perceives to be unnatural progressions, and perhaps it has something to do with EoD 2.

Can anyone voting for Jack tell me, in their own words, why they think he is worth a vote?

Sorry, there was a post from JJJ that I thought was from Sloonei (the one about Jack easily going with popular opinions, which he's now responded to). But I think Sloonei's interaction review posts were also good.

The original case from JJJ is older, I believe it's actually back from early d2 (his analysis of the sig lynch + nacho kill). But that was weaker compared to the stuff from today.

Jack, how about you respond to those posts sloonei made about you earlier today? I think that his collection of arguments is a stronger overall case than jjj's old one.

Juliets, we've hit the soft lynch number meaning that he will be lynched(if that many votes stay til the deadline. Hammer, which is currently 9 votes, means the day ends early and he gets lynched immediately. So that's what we don't really want to hit so we have full time unless we're really super confident.

My cop power was during the day. Notice how I voted for him and then changed my mind.

But yeah golden's switch was n1

ninjaed

Golden I recommend reading sloonei's last several posts about jack to get a good idea of the arguments against him.

Liking sloonei's points about Jack. I'm feeling really confident in this vote.

JaggedJimmyJay
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
Golden
juliets
Elohcin
Scotty
speedchuck
Strawhenge
Long Con
insertnamehere
Soneji
Fredwood
Quin
Jackofhearts2005

Scotty wrote:
nutella wrote:Scotty: ~2-2.5. I think you're civ.

And jjj is clean bc I copped him. It was a one shot ability and I'm already kicking myself for wasting it. Keep those items coming so I can continue to be useful.

Cool.

Naw, it wasn't a waste. Not sure if there is a cop in the game, but I'm curious, not to discredit you- but which item gave you that power?

My role card... lol
But I've also gotten an item that I have yet to use and might use today. I'm just saying, keep em coming

Scotty: ~2-2.5. I think you're civ.

And jjj is clean bc I copped him. It was a one shot ability and I'm already kicking myself for wasting it.

Keep those items coming so I can continue to be useful.

Unvote jjj

He's clean.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Note about Jack: he's been willing to change his mind in this game which is generally something I appreciate, but it has happened in ways that strike me as unnatural. His perspectives have consistently started in a unique, personal place and then adapted to more conventional/popular reads. I'd say that about his read on me, his treatment of Sloonei and Quin today, and his suspicion of speedchuck (his enthusiasm for it appears to be declining against Sloonei's town read.

My concern is that he is finding comfort zones and that his reads aren't developing within a personal mindset -- they're shifting with public opinion.

I agree with this tbh. Jack has been flitting back and forth on my list for a while now, and I think it's time I choose a side. So what the heck

vote Jackofhearts

For what it's worth, I'm feeling better about LC lately. I realize there really wasn't much in terms of Marmot interaction to substantiate my feelings; most of it had to do with other players' mentions of him and I'm getting enough of a town feel from the man himself to dismiss them at the moment. If Jack ends up bad I might review their possible connection but

At the moment I'm feeling pretty bad about JJJ. I'm going to bed now, but I will determine where I stand on him in the morning. Just for kicks, Vote JJJ

Golden wrote:Got a response from sprit. He made a mistake, eloh and I targeted Fred. Still not marmot though.

Hm, interesting. Guessing Eloh is another switcher of some kind.

@Sloonei: I had some thoughts on speedchuck here that gave me pause about him, even though I'd mostly been reading him as town almost to the same extent that you are. In your post about him you get up to his ISOish post about Marmot and just stop there, but what interested me was his waffling after that point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:So what changed between your PoE list and your "no reason to town read" list?
Time passed. In the immediate aftermath of the map claims I gave Marmot a bit of a berth, and then as his posts went nowhere from that point I progressively cared less about that. Marmot was in my PoE originally anyway, I deliberately didn't list him because of said map. That's what I was trying to nudge to Nacho when he asked me.

Anyway, that one point where I gave the "nullest of null" reads on Marmot should clue y'all in that I am not his teammate. I am literally the guy who analyzes the hell out of dead scum interactions in every game I play, and that means I am very well-versed in what sells and what does not. I don't give you a useless waffle on my teammate because that does nothing to benefit me or my team -- it only leaves me open to answering questions like this later. I know better. Take it or leave it I guess.

I don't follow Jack at all in the bus driver discussion. I don't see why there's any reason to assume anything about either Fred's or my alignment. The most basic value of a re-directing role is that it prevents the civilians from handling the night phase the way they want to -- it promotes a chaotic information environment. There are a ton of different theories one could apply to Marmot's purported actions, assuming he is responsible for the target discrepancy Golden has reported, that work out for three of the four possible alignment arrangements between Fredwood and I. Town-Town, Mafia-Town, and Town-Mafia. The only one that I'd struggle to see a scenario for is Mafia-Mafia, not counting my own inherent knowledge of my alignment. Because I am me, I am generally a likely target for whatever. Doctors love to protect me, jailers love to jail me, cops love to ID me, watchers love to watch me, etc. Shit, in recent memory even vigilantes love to shoot me. Bus driving me with anyone is by default a near-sure means of making certain the role has value that night, because someone's JJJ target will get screwed up.

Even if you're discussing the matter of a cop, the idea still holds in a Town-Town scenario. The scum would stand to lose a lot if I am confirmed town by a cop, because I am a much more potent threat when I am not hindered by accusations (see: Turf Wars, Mad Max, and the latter half of ROTTK). By swapping me with a different townie a less threatening ID is assured. And that's only for a cop, which is already a speculative thing.

At the end of the day we're still talking about Marmot, perhaps the player on this roster least inclined toward actual strategy. He does whatever he wants on a whim.

Was this post supposed to make me feel better about you? Because it didn't. Especially the highlighted paragraph.

Sloonei wrote:The following is a complete compilation of all interactions between Metalmarsh and Scotty in the game of Phenom Mafia:
Spoiler: show
So um.
unvote jackofhearts, I think? Am I still voting for him?

vote Scotty

Dang. Interesting.

Tbh I have still been tempted to townread Scotty though. Partially because of the role claim, even though he conveniently claimed to be blocked and couldn't prove it. The fact that he was hinting at something from the very beginning of the game makes me want to believe him. And I've had other towny feelings from him in general. So the null marmot interaction is not enough to sway me on him.

Sloonei wrote:I just started scrolling through Scotty's Day 3 posts. He said this initially:
Scotty wrote:Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by

Well done on catching him y'all
And then went on a tirade against the two people who hammered on metalmarsh.

BUT this is suspicious as hell.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:One thing I've picked up on in this ambitious exercise: Dyslexicon is the towniest player in the game based solely on Metalmarsh's ISO.
I disagree. I am the ultimate townie. No townie has ever towned as town as I am towning in this game.

So far I've been getting all the love

Hey, at least I voted for the confirmed baddie

Aaand I see that Quin already mentioned that possibility (though seemed to hardly entertain it). But anyway I'm still a little behind.

But I just saw Sloonei's review of JJJ/Marmot interactions and it was fascinating. There's some fishiness in there for sure.

I am not feeling super great about JJJ right now based on that. I'll have to look into him more because there were some solid reasons I've kept a town read on him (one that comes to mind is the not wanting to kill Nacho thing, even for WIFOM, but

)

Golden wrote:There was something else fishy with it as well, and I feel like I've now put myself in the position where I have to be open, which I didn't really want to be, but here goes...

I'm a watcher. I watched Jay. If marmot did what you guys are suggesting and swapped fred and jay, I should have gotten 'golden targeted fred' but I didn't. I wasn't showing as watching fred, despite the fact the results I got were for Fred. I got that no-one was targeting Fred.

It should be noted that last night I was showing as targeting the player I watched. So I've since had that confirmation.

It was a baffling result for me. I still haven't figured it out. But it isn't entirely explained by the marmot role, even if that is part of what happened.

Golden wrote:"As the Busdriver, you may target two targets, actions affecting each targets are switched"

OK, I've checked with sprit, but looking at this again, I can see how I might be still seen as 'targeting jay' as it's just my action that is switched and not my target. That makes sense.

Huh. This is bizarre and confusing but ok.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: If you didn't get MM, he didn't busdrive Fred with JJJ. You were misdirected by someone targeting you or JJJ was nexused.

But wait. I was confused about this as well. I was wondering why you wouldn't have seen that MM targeted Fred. But then I thought it might be justified by the nature of the busdriver role. Like, picking two targets to switch wouldn't show up as targeting, because its purpose is to switch who's targeted. It operates on a different level. Maybe? Idk, it could make sense to me as being like this. A "host intricacy" as LC says.

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:A quick note before I dive into this marmot analysis: If we are to believe Golden's misdirect claim, and if we assume Jay is town (which I am going to do), then I am inclined to think that Golden's results reflect poorly on Fredwood. If the scum misdirector is targeting town JaggedJimmyJay, I would assume part of his motive is to deflect any potentially beneficial night actions (item deliveries, protection, etc.) onto a teammate. This requires a bit of a leap and I'm not willing to conclude anything from it, but I see it as enough reason to at least begin to speculate about Freddy.

Alternatively, Marmot redirected night actions away from ScummedScummyScay so that he couldn't be ID'd by any cops.
What about investigations? Pretty key role you left out.
read the sentence at the bottom.
No, this is still along the lines of a town 3J. If I'm the cop, 3J is among one of the highest priorities for a cop check. Redirecting said investigation to a scum Fredwood would be a big dumdum.
Good point. I suppose I just have a hard time understanding why scum metalmarsh redirects things from town Jay onto another townie.

Yeah. I don't see any good reason why Marmot would target two townies, one of them being Fredwood who doesn't stand out much/isn't widely read as town. I can't really see him picking Fred to be a target if he wasn't his teammate. So, barring the possibility that this switch was the work of another switching role, I think this is actually pretty damning for Fred. Occam's Razor tells me Fred is MM's teammate.

Pfft, searching is for the weak. I just skim every post in each iso for mentions of him.

(To be fair I usually skim just to look for anything notable, not necessarily just marmot mentions, but I feel better knowing I'm not missing anything)

Sloonei wrote:A quick note before I dive into this marmot analysis: If we are to believe Golden's misdirect claim, and if we assume Jay is town (which I am going to do), then I am inclined to think that Golden's results reflect poorly on Fredwood. If the scum misdirector is targeting town JaggedJimmyJay, I would assume part of his motive is to deflect any potentially beneficial night actions (item deliveries, protection, etc.) onto a teammate. This requires a bit of a leap and I'm not willing to conclude anything from it, but I see it as enough reason to at least begin to speculate about Freddy.

Alternatively, Marmot redirected night actions away from ScummedScummyScay so that he couldn't be ID'd by any cops.

I'm inclined to agree with this (the hypothesis that Marmot wanted things intended for JJJ to go to his teamie Fred and vice versa).

juliets wrote:nutella, when you are finished with your speedchuck research could you talk about your suspicion of LC? I am a notoriously bad reader of him - I once handed him the game when I was a civ and he was a baddie. I did skim through his posts and saw he changed to Marmot seemingly on your recommendation which I thought was a good thing but obviously you are seeing something else in him.

A lot of it has to do with connections to other players, including Marmot. When I looked at LC's ISO I got the feeling he's a likely teammate of Marmot's based a few things, and JJJ got the same feeling from Marmot's mentions of LC. I could look back and see if I can pull up specific places that support this feeling, but it's also kind of a general vibe, and also has a lot to do with connections I see to other players who I think could be marmot buddies -- there are several I have considered, but sketchy interactional reads re: LC have been the common denominator between all of them. To be fair, I flip-flopped on LC a fair amount for the first couple days as well, so it might just be that he looks ambiguous and so people have ambiguous feelings toward him, but that's easy for a teammate to hide in, so in my mind it increases the likelihood that I'm right about at least one or two of these possible connections I'm seeing.

Just finished looking through speedchuck's posts and I am seeing some of the same things that Scotty mentions above. Definitely some weird waffling on MM. He quickly follows me in voting for him, only to switch back to Scotty. Then comes a lot of confusing flip-flopping: before those votes, he had done his Scotty ISO and then a quick one on MM, after which he seemed to have a pretty null read on MM. After he follows my vote, he says Marmot and INH are tied for his second-place scum read/lynch preference after Scotty, and puts them as red in his rainbow. He then switches his vote back to Scotty, says he likes INH's criticism of the MM train, and then suddenly makes that weird post saying he thinks MM and INH are town out of almost nowhere, and says he thinks it's very unlikely that MM and INH are scum. But then at the last minute he puts the finishing vote on MM. I don't really understand what happened in his mind there.

Part of me wants to feel the same way about him that I feel about Sloonei, that he was honestly changing his mind and was flip-flopping with good intentions. But part of me finds it pretty suspicious -- and it goes along with his flip-flopping in reads of LC as well. Early in the game he mentions several times how he could see LC as bad but leans slight town on him nonetheless. Then he goes back to a slight scumread of him after Strawhenge posts a case, but never follows that up. On Day 2 he says "LC gradually made more sense" and later that he's "looking better" and "I'm at a slight town read on him where I was once light scum." Next mention of LC is in the orange section of a rainbow with no explanation. WTF?? Like, I understand having trouble making up your mind on LC because that's how I felt for a while too, but saying you have a town read of him and then suddenly placing him at a solid orange without explaining why... that's textbook teammate behavior.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
nutella wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Scotty, you have named two suspects (that I've seen) today: me and speedchuck. The two people who hammered on metalmarsh, confirmed scum, yesterday were me and speedchuck. Just an observation. What do you think of this?
Oh speed did vote for mm didn't he. Well that may give me pause. Again I'll have to have a look for myself -- at face value I like Scotty's findings, but I have felt good about speed for most of the game so
I have felt bad about Spd for most of the game.

Why have you felt good about him?

In general I have really liked and agreed with a lot of his contributions, and got pretty strong town vibes.

Sloonei wrote:Scotty, you have named two suspects (that I've seen) today: me and speedchuck. The two people who hammered on metalmarsh, confirmed scum, yesterday were me and speedchuck. Just an observation. What do you think of this?

Oh speed did vote for mm didn't he. Well that may give me pause. Again I'll have to have a look for myself -- at face value I like Scotty's findings, but I have felt good about speed for most of the game so

Scotty wrote:Ok. So I went back through speedchuck's posts.

He makes a statement where he looks to go over a myriad of names, focusing on me and MM. he then posts a complete breakdown of my posts at that point, with comments of what he'd like to see to improve my standing in his eyes, which included a general comment of posting more and backing up statements.

After my giant "case" he then says he's moving on to MM and posts this:

speedchuck wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 78#p335178

This post is interesting because it contradicts itself? It, at the beginning of the post, says that logic points to Dizzy doing an on-purpose fakeslip.
Then says later in the thread that it is an accident.
Then I think they ended the day on Dizzy, despite saying they felt good about Diz in the same post.

Maybe Marmot just didn't want to be on SIG?

I don't know. Most of what bothers me about marmot's posts probably have to do with their playstyle/his low activity thanks to other games. Nothing particularly useful, I think. Would lynch scotty over marmot. Unless contradicting themselves in order to seem agreeable and unsure is a Meta-Marmot-Metal-Marsh-Mafia-Move.
Wait, that's it? You linked to one post, and said it was "interesting"? With a Question Mark??

A brief questioning of his possible motive for not voting sig, but chalks up the entire history of marmot with his suspicion hinging on his "playstyle/his low actively due to other games." Where was I? Not in other games? Oh right, marmot and I were in the same game of champions and both of us had stuff on our plates. But why does he get a pass? Did you even ISO his post history?

This is like putting some chicken in the oven, forgetting about it, coming back to find your house has burned down, and the first thing you think is, "oh I forgot to start on the broccoli. Oh well"

Compared to the case on me, you shrugged off MM as if you never really suspected him to begin with, and never looked back the entire rest of the day.

Dude, you bad.

VOTE SPEEDCHUCK

Dang. I like this.

I'm gonna iso him myself.

Like she admitted that she only signed up because nobody else was and she felt bad that it wasn't getting filled up, but knew she wouldn't be able to participate much. That pisses me off tbh. Don't sign up for a game you don't intend to play. She could have easily contacted other people who might have been interested in signing up who just hadn't seen it (as I expressed in the sign up thread, it took way too long for a general PM to go out asking for signups). Really nothing irks me more than when people sign up for a game and don't even try to read the thread. When I sign up for a mafia game I take it seriously as a commitment to keep up as well as I can. I have no respect for people who don't view it this way. She needs to be replaced.

Eh, I think it's pretty obvious that Eloh has just not read any of the game at all and was just popping in to vote, and presumably she felt like Quin was someone she could trust for some arbitrary reason. I don't think we can read much into anything she's done because she literally has not read the thread, and I kind of doubt she would openly express that trust of Quin if they were teammates. Honestly I'm kind of annoyed that she hasn't asked to be replaced at this point. She could be bad and not participating, or she could be town and not participating, and we have pretty much nothing to indicate which is the case.

@LC, I still very much believe Dys is civ.

I really can't decide how I feel about you Jack, I keep going back and forth.

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