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that's another one that varies, we just had a game that had closed nightsGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:53 pm I think it would be great if games were not open night by default, cause I would be able to play lol
I know I can't expect that the whole site changes its ways to adjust to mine, but wishing and dreaming is free!
then you're not participating meaningfully in this discussion, because this discussion is specifically about the term as it is used in this community and what it refers to in this context, and you're just having a completely different conversation that isn't helpful sorry
Related to my previous post, I just want to say that I do think from my own perspective now looking back, I think we have in fact had angleshooting in the past that I wouldn't think is okay, particularly regarding players making reads based on a different concurrent game.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:38 pm I'd like to offer some long-term perspective from someone who has been here from the beginning.
The vast majority of games here do not involve broken rules, angle shooting, or hosting errors. I understand that the most recent game has perhaps contributed to the notion that a massive overhaul should be considered, but I encourage everyone to take a deep breath and a broad view of The Syndicate's evolution. I also want to remind everyone that Martin's game had a lynch mistake AND two people violate a host rule. That is not normal. Some of the games listed above are by new or newer hosts. There's a learning curve to hosting.
I have hosted on this site for seven years and I have never had a problem with angle shooting that I can recall, nor do I remember anybody else having that problem prior to recently.
There shouldn't be a rule that mentions "angle shooting" because the very definition of angle shooting is doing something that is legal but generally viewed as underhanded. There is no list for that. There never will be. As technology changes, the ability to angle shoot will change. Poker encountered crazy new angle shooting tactics when online poker became a thing. The most notorious was ripping your Internet connection out of the wall to take advantage of Internet disconnection allowances sites had, so that you could bounce out of bad hands to move on to new ones. There was no rule against that, so people did it until there was one. Against the rules? No! Shitty? Underhanded? Yes! That's what angle shooting is.
I believe hosts should make the rules for their games beyond the universal Syndicate rules. And if hosts don't make the rules themselves, then what gives you any confidence they will enforce the rules we write?
I personally think that stuff like this should be a site wide rule as it is on MU, yeah. Like MU is very strict about not mentioning ongoing games anywhere other than within the game and it's for good reason. I've adopted that compartmentalization myself and as we have recently had a fair amount of concurrent games here with overlapping playerlists it's a potential issue that I think should be explicitly addressed.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:17 pm what if i decided to talk about an ongoing game? who could have stopped me, its not written in jay's rules, it's not really written in the syndicate standard rules (since those dont exist) - so technically would it be allowed? technically i could have also talked stuff like "this person is actively typing in the syndicate discord but he's not being ITT, so they're clearly avoiding it" - nothin would have stopped me, is that rly okay?
