The Syndicate

Aw man, so sad to lose the endgame discussion from this.

Whoa awesome!! Bye bye reapers and epi

Excuse me, MP was most definitely not the first to suggest Adam might be gfish's teammate.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:36 pm Alright, I'm down.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

Why?

Why not?
I'm basically going by POE now. There are only so many players left that can be the baddies. I keep waffling on Sprit because everything about his role claim makes sense but barring that he looks bad, but at least he has the role claim to back him up (and I guess it's not an entirely provable one but so far it seems quite plausible given the details he's provided and Raven's reactions). Adam on the other hand is one of the few people I don't have any reason to believe is civ. Do you have any reason to think he's not bad? Because at this point in the game, chances are he's bad, so I'm banking on that.

And sorry to see Fred go.

Alright, I'm down.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

Sweet result!

VOTE DYSLEXICON

Nifty and I are most definitely not teammates. He is Anderson for sure.

Are... are you really asking that, Sprit? Between those two posts is when Nifty targeted me, obviously.

CaptainNifty wrote:

sprityo wrote:real quick, who all has claimed what?

nut is claiming Chambers
nifty is Anderson
Fred is Joker
MP claims Legion
sprit claims Tali

Jack may have hinted, but I think I missed it.

I have not claimed anything yet, I don't know where you're getting that. SVS claimed (or just hinted really) Kelly Chambers.

I take it Fred is silenced

Dys, in case it wasn't entirely clear, I did vouch for Nifty because I did get an extra shot that night, and no I wasn't expecting it. I waited for him to bring it up to confirm that it was him, so since he brought it up I believe he must be that role. So he is cleared. That was like, so yesterday. You caught up on the facts now? Also, you're bad. Sorry but that's just how the game goes.

Wow. Damn. RIP guys.

I'm down for a Dizzy vote.

But... the updates are on Sunday...

Huh, an indie. Okay. Would have preferred a mafia, but this isn't a bad result.

Adam wrote:Thinking about it in hindsight, I wouldn't be surprised if MP's attempt to paint me as gfish's teammate was actually suggested by gfish himself once he knew he was going down.

To be fair, I'm convinced MP is not gfish's teammate based on their Day 1 interactions.

Oh I didn't see the "excluding all role claims" part... but that's stupid.

Also, you seem to have missed the fact that Nifty and TSP are all but confirmed townies, lol. Nice try.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nutella wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nutella wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Town is going to lose this game if it just gets into autopilot mode. Don't let that happen. Analyze what content is provided.

I'm with S~V~S, I don't care for solving the game via role claims.

Well ok, if you're really Legion and if you really care about the town winning, move your vote off yourself and onto SVS. Maybe you really think she's town, but not as much as you think you are town, right? At least grant yourself a self-preservation vote. You either want to give up or you don't.

Explain why you are/were willing to vote for me or S~V~S.

Part of it is POE. There are several people that I'm 99.9% sure are town, and you're on the leftover list of possible baddies. Both you and SVS have played in ways that I could believe are sneaky baddie games, and both of you have provided unprovable claims that could easily be fake claims.

Provide evidence for this assertion. You've never even said this before now as far as I'm aware, but perhaps I missed it. If I did, show it to me and everyone else.

You're being opportunistic.

You were very active on Day 1 as per your usual, and then you very quickly dropped off into being busy IRL and not really participating much at all. Maybe that's not alignment indicative, but it would be easy enough for you to hide behind if you're bad. You haven't really done much in the way of solving the game. There was that one summary post about Adam the other day, and you never got around to doing anything else; otherwise you've been following along with what others have told you is happening. You threw out a really weak vote for Dizzy on day 3, refusing to join the Silver Lantern vote and claiming you didn't understand any of the case on him.
Actually, let's follow that thread a little further. After the gfish lynch, you decided to look at some interactive analyses, and only got around to doing one but you were going after Adam for a little while for that reason. After the Silver Lantern lynch, nothing. No comment, no follow-up. No attempt to find the other Reapers. Because you're one of them. Maybe.

As for SVS, she has also been going along with popular opinions, with the exception of her persistent pursual of Jack, and odd assertions that "everyone else has suspected him" when that wasn't really particularly true as I recall. And her defense today has been pretty weak, with the exception of her role claim which is perhaps a little bit stronger than yours (if only due to the manner in which she presented it) but could still be fake.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nutella wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Town is going to lose this game if it just gets into autopilot mode. Don't let that happen. Analyze what content is provided.

I'm with S~V~S, I don't care for solving the game via role claims.

Well ok, if you're really Legion and if you really care about the town winning, move your vote off yourself and onto SVS. Maybe you really think she's town, but not as much as you think you are town, right? At least grant yourself a self-preservation vote. You either want to give up or you don't.

Explain why you are/were willing to vote for me or S~V~S.

Part of it is POE. There are several people that I'm 99.9% sure are town, and you're on the leftover list of possible baddies. Both you and SVS have played in ways that I could believe are sneaky baddie games, and both of you have provided unprovable claims that could easily be fake claims.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Town is going to lose this game if it just gets into autopilot mode. Don't let that happen. Analyze what content is provided.

I'm with S~V~S, I don't care for solving the game via role claims.

Well ok, if you're really Legion and if you really care about the town winning, move your vote off yourself and onto SVS. Maybe you really think she's town, but not as much as you think you are town, right? At least grant yourself a self-preservation vote. You either want to give up or you don't.

SVS self voted? Alright then.

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Welcome to the world of four to five confirmed townies.

Is this where I am supposed to info dump on myself like others did? This is so not something I am used to doing.

I have a civ role that can either help or hurt a person. I targeted Silver and Jack negatively, although it did not make a difference in either case. I targeted Wilgy positively, and I am gonna guess it is not going to make a difference.

Now Nutella, if you really are civ, you need to recall what you know of my civ game and what you know of my bad, since you are the only home town person who thinks I am bad.

Think about this

Apparently I have something to respond to. I am in bed on phone, will look for it in a bit.

Sorry SVS but I actually don't have a very good handle on your meta. I know you can be a very tricky FEB so I'm never sure when to tell if you're hiding behind a convincing civ game. I think I understand your claim but it could pretty easily be a fake one.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:Wilgy says Hi and this is his message:

Now that everyone knows my personal life, the best order for POE lynching is probably as follows:
MP, IR, SVS, LC, and go from there.
That is to safely remove unknowns from the game. We only have 4 days until NK's catch up with confirmed civs and then it's back to figuring shit out.

Sounds good. Might not follow the same order, and I think I feel better about Raven than about the other three.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not bad. Just getting increasingly busy. "Laying low" or "coasting" are two things that almost never describe me, but here we are, and I can assure you that they aren't alignment indicative. If anything I'm more apt to post more when I'm bad because I can't stand the idea of coasting when bad and have more to prove.

Okay, you're probably bad. Great.
I can accept that you're probably not Gfish's teammate, but I'm putting you down as probable reaper.

So the lynch is between SVS and MP for me. Either will do.

And I'm happy to put a vote on SVS for now as well. Her response could be enlightening.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Fry meme aside, care to say how you came to this groundbreaking information?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/postin ... 4&p=357131
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 38#p357238
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p357851
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357884
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357886
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357888
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357891
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p358125
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p358129

Cool.
That must have been what I thought I saw about Wilgy and forgot. Makes sense now.

Actually maybe take that back about Wilgy. thought I'd seen something that more or less cleared him in my mind but I think I am misremembering. I could still be convinced he's bad.

people I will not vote for:
Nifty (obv)
Wilgy (back to thinking he's town)
Fredwood (obv)
sprityo (I believe his claim)


Anyone else is fair game. SVS, convince me on Jack. Fred/Jack, convince me on SVS. So far nobody has been particularly convincing about anything.

CaptainNifty wrote:

nutella wrote:Cool no death!

Now I need to sort out my thoughts for this lynch Several players I'm iffy on (Nifty, Wilgy, Jack, SVS) but nothing really confident.

Really, you're iffy on me after what I did for you?

Not anymore.

Oh I didn't realize Wilgy hadn't posted since the night post. I'd be willing to believe he's silenced for real, but I'd also believe that he's faking or his own team did it. Again, jury's still out on whether I'm sold that he's bad or not.

Cool no death!

Now I need to sort out my thoughts for this lynch Several players I'm iffy on (Nifty, Wilgy, Jack, SVS) but nothing really confident.

...I'm starting to entertain the possibility that Wilgy could be bad.

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:Not going to check but I'm pretty sure that in fact nobody was silenced on Day 2, I think I remember posts from everyone. Could be wrong. So it's weird to me that you'd still assume they were in the game and just missed a PM, and say "hey I forgot we had a silencer" unless they were on your team.

"We" means everyone. You are picking at straws sweetie. Very wispy little straws.

Linki, I did read your posts. I did not see where you specifically said what it was that you liked about the case? I saw that post, I was talking about this one:

nutella wrote:Looooooooong posts I'm a little overwhelmed and haven't absorbed all of Fred's case and Nifty's responses -- on the surface I'm still liking Fred's case and could see Nifty as Gfish's teammate, but he seemed to defend pretty thoroughly and I'll have to read the exchange more carefully.

I'm feeling more strongly about Adam especially given MP's summary of Adam's and Gfish's interactions. Really looks teammatey. I'll put a vote on Adam for now.

What about MPs summary did you especially like?

I never said the words you are putting in my mouth. I said I was feeling strongly about Adam especially given the summary of interactions. It was exactly that, a summary of interactions that I felt could easily be interpreted as teammate interactions. I don't know what you're not getting here. Besides, I have since changed my mind on Adam.

I quoted the words you said? It's literally a quote.

And I asked you the question this morning before you changed your mind; this vote felt off to me. I saw your post up there, and it did not specifically answer the question I asked. So I asked it again.

I meant that I never treated MP's summary as a "case" and you kept asking what I "liked about it" as a case. I merely used it as a source that neatly showed the interactions I found suspicious.

Yesss!

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:Not going to check but I'm pretty sure that in fact nobody was silenced on Day 2, I think I remember posts from everyone. Could be wrong. So it's weird to me that you'd still assume they were in the game and just missed a PM, and say "hey I forgot we had a silencer" unless they were on your team.

"We" means everyone. You are picking at straws sweetie. Very wispy little straws.

Linki, I did read your posts. I did not see where you specifically said what it was that you liked about the case? I saw that post, I was talking about this one:

nutella wrote:Looooooooong posts I'm a little overwhelmed and haven't absorbed all of Fred's case and Nifty's responses -- on the surface I'm still liking Fred's case and could see Nifty as Gfish's teammate, but he seemed to defend pretty thoroughly and I'll have to read the exchange more carefully.

I'm feeling more strongly about Adam especially given MP's summary of Adam's and Gfish's interactions. Really looks teammatey. I'll put a vote on Adam for now.

What about MPs summary did you especially like?

I never said the words you are putting in my mouth. I said I was feeling strongly about Adam especially given the summary of interactions. It was exactly that, a summary of interactions that I felt could easily be interpreted as teammate interactions. I don't know what you're not getting here. Besides, I have since changed my mind on Adam.

nutella wrote:Also, to everyone (including Adam) saying I was just "following MP's case on Adam": first of all, I didn't even think that was a case, so much as a summary of interactions (just a series of quoted posts) that was easily interpreted as Adam and Gfish being teammates. Second of all, I expressed suspicion of Adam being Gfish's teammate looong before MP's summary post, I was just citing that as a decent source/summary of the posts that displayed those interactions. I first expressed suspicion of Adam directly after the Gfish lynch, based on his earlier civ reads of Gfish, sudden turnaround, and eventual late-day bus vote. Anyone who thinks I never explained my reasons for voting Adam clearly has not read all of my posts.
Anyway, for what it's worth, I have now accepted his defenses -- he has explained multiple times that the Epi debacle was the reason for his turnaround on gfish and I think that makes sense. His recent posts are looking much more civ in my eyes.

linki @ Fredwood: PLEASE for the love of god explain what is going on. Leaving the rest of us in the dark trying to figure out your stupid puzzle is not getting us anywhere. I don't even know what sprityo has done this game let alone how his lynch will tell us stuff about other players.

SVS here is the post please read it

SVS you clearly did not read my post about Adam since you asked that. I can find it for you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LA, what do you think of Nifty?

Still not sure. I liked Fred's case, but I also liked his defense. He claimed Anderson and that he tried to give Fred an extra shot to de-vanilla-fy him, but that's a little sketchy because it seems like he should have figured out that it wouldn't work? idk I'm still unclear on that whole thing, so it could be a fake claim but I'm leaning toward believing it. He was a pretty early civ read for me, but the case for him being gfish's teammate has some merit. Idk, I know I'm waffling

Not going to check but I'm pretty sure that in fact nobody was silenced on Day 2, I think I remember posts from everyone. Could be wrong. So it's weird to me that you'd still assume they were in the game and just missed a PM, and say "hey I forgot we had a silencer" unless they were on your team.

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.

You are not working on the assumption that every role in that list is in the game until proven otherwise? Why?

And he moved his vote without posting 3 times in literally 5 minutes.

I look forward to your case.

Uh, because only a fraction of them are?? And we didn't seem to have anyone silenced (that we noticed) on day 2?
But I can believe that you figured it out from the vote moving. I just didn't like the way you worded that post.

Adam wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone point me to the case on Silver Lantern?

It's two things.

1) Meta, HCR folk think Silver fits mafia Silver meta more than town Silver meta
2) He hasn't done much other than defend himself against the meta accusations.

Less than 20 minutes left.

This plus when the whole Epi thing was going down he posted something like "of course he'll side with the Alliance, duh" and that sounded like the most Reaper thing to ever Reap.

As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.

yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.

I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.

linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?

Fredwood wrote:I give up...Seriously, I just feel stupid now. I'll check back later and vote for whoever is leading.

lol, I feel stupid for following you following wilgy.
I'd recommend a silver vote

linki @ dys: hmm, has he? maybe there are two people silenced, or one of them is faking? :/

DrWilgy wrote:That explains your questions about Dom's death then Sprit.

I'm not a cop, but this:

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?

Wasn't asked by a knowledgeless civ.

Along with your bad vote yesterday and buddying of me, I thought you were Gfish's teammate.

Your question makes me think you had knowledge or silenced JoH and were setting him up to kill him.

wait, so you never had info after all? Is this it?

I'm cool with that claim. Moving vote back to Silver Lantern.

Fredwood wrote:Which leaves us in an interesting situation, unless Wilgy wants to deny being Leviathan. If he's not Leviathan... well I have no fucking clue why he would play it that way unless he wasn't Leviathan or a Reaper.

Hmmm...

I haven't analyzed the roles super heavily, but I assume it's also possible that Wilgy just got a bad result? Switches, forges and the like.

Fredwood wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey LC, I think I trust you. What are your current thoughts and why?

I think that Epignosis is either lying about being The Geth, or he's The Geth and aligned with the Reapers. He has to go.

I think Wilgy is a Reaper in full Epi-support-mode after Epi joined their ranks while believing he'd get lynched otherwise. If he's The Geth, that is. Wilgy also tried to pull some mean-ass shit on me on Night 1 that mirrors what Bass_the_Clever did to me in Roger Rabbit: a baddie fakeslipping like he's talking to me in BTSC in order to make me look bad as well. So that's another reason why Wilgy looks bad. For some reason, everyone thinks he's Civ though. He's good at looking that way, it seems.

I thought the points fredwood made against CaptainNifty were good, and he's a good choice for lynch as well.

Adam may be lynched, and I feel like he'd turn up bad as well.

Now Wilgy and fredwood are both talking up a sprityo lynch, with little explanation. I don't know if we are all supposed to intrinsically know why, but fred got mad at nutella for not voting sprit. I think.

I'm not mad, I don't like the move to Silver. Don't vote Spirit...it looks bad. It's coy because it has to be. If people logically think it out, how this is going down, that there's something important going on here, and should be able to figure it out. Why has one person shut the fuck up, and why has another person taken up the cause? If you can't figure it out, then trust me, there's a good reason for it.

So... what? Are you implying that Wilgy was implying he has info and you have reason to believe that he does? Part of the reason I was so baffled was that Wilgy was the one who originally said he wanted to lynch Sprityo and that he would explain later, but he has not explained anything and now you are championing the whole movement. I mean, I'll trust that just because you're practically confirmed and Wilgy is one of my strongest civ reads, but I don't understand why you would know that he knows what he knows. Or maybe you don't, and that's what you meant by that 3-point list -- if sprit is not a reaper then you'd think Wilgy was lying and bad? Is that it?

Thinking out loud there, sorry... but this is starting to make a fraction of sense, I guess. And since I trust you I'll follow the vote and see what happens. Would still like to hear more from Wilgy himself though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LA, can you explain what specifically about Adam's recent posts have inspired you to change your mind?

As I said, his explanation of why he changed his mind on gfish made sense. And his last several posts today have just felt very civ to me, in that he's speaking his mind openly, asking reasonable questions, expressing original opinions (for example re: Wilgy) and overall acting with a genuine scumhunting mindset. I promise I'm trying my best not to be vague, lol

Also, to everyone (including Adam) saying I was just "following MP's case on Adam": first of all, I didn't even think that was a case, so much as a summary of interactions (just a series of quoted posts) that was easily interpreted as Adam and Gfish being teammates. Second of all, I expressed suspicion of Adam being Gfish's teammate looong before MP's summary post, I was just citing that as a decent source/summary of the posts that displayed those interactions. I first expressed suspicion of Adam directly after the Gfish lynch, based on his earlier civ reads of Gfish, sudden turnaround, and eventual late-day bus vote. Anyone who thinks I never explained my reasons for voting Adam clearly has not read all of my posts.
Anyway, for what it's worth, I have now accepted his defenses -- he has explained multiple times that the Epi debacle was the reason for his turnaround on gfish and I think that makes sense. His recent posts are looking much more civ in my eyes.

linki @ Fredwood: PLEASE for the love of god explain what is going on. Leaving the rest of us in the dark trying to figure out your stupid puzzle is not getting us anywhere. I don't even know what sprityo has done this game let alone how his lynch will tell us stuff about other players.

Fredwood wrote:Well nutella just shot up to the top of the list of Spirit's teammates.

Excuse me? I said I would be perfectly willing to vote for Sprityo if there is convincing evidence that he's bad. Nobody has explained anything about why they think he's bad. I don't even remember anything specific about Sprityo this game, so please point me to something so I can form an opinion on him. Meanwhile, I am personally very confident that Silver is probably a reaper, but that doesn't preclude sprityo from also being one.

Fredwood wrote:Well, I'm not looking to do jobs for people, but I have a hunch and if I'm right Spirit is a reaper.

Fredwood wrote:Well proof is a funny word, There's probably proof, but the nature of the proof is interesting.

The way I see it we can all meander or hem and haw about meh targets, or we can go with the lead. We're still in a good position, and we learn a TON from a Spirit lynch, even if he's not Reaper, which is really in some peoples best interest if he is. Even if he's town, which would suck, there's still a lot to glean from the lynch.

ok what am I missing here?