The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:39 am Good game baddies.

What happened?

Excuse me, DH and I were not baddies

Fun stuff, thanks INH

I must say, having found DH on night 1 and Timmer on night 2, totally nailing those recruit-searches was awesome (lucky? psychic? or I just have great intuitions) Btw thanks guys for being super cool teammates as always. We have Timmer to thank for offing Booth, and DH to thank for cooking up the win.

And LC, you had me fooled, right up until the end when I could POE out the roles. Well done and glad we could win together in this amusing twist. Now make us a banner

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:57 pm Everyone switch your votes to "Who Cares"

We all win.

Are we allowed to do that?

I don't think so but INH is mad at me so

I'm not mad at you. Hell, you used all of the rules of the game to craft this situation. I'm more annoyed with myself for not realizing this could be a possibility and preemptively safeguarding against it. But hey, the game's the game, and you figured out a way to outsmart it. At the end of the day, (pun unintended) I gotta respect that.

Couldn't you have just not given us the mutiny option in the last night poll to screw with us?

LC, the best thing for you to do is quit the act, join the rest of us in being totally open, and just go along with DH's plan as it offers you the best chance at a win.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:11 am Um, you guys mean Epignosis, right? Why are you voting me, I'm Civ and Epi is bad. I'm the real Mark, or Mike, or whatever. :nod:

The game turned into one that the baddies can't win as soon as the Role List was revealed in an open claiming game. I mean, maybe if the baddies' fake claims (assuming they have them) were revealed in the list as well, then it could have still been a game. This would have been a lot easier if we could have revealed the Role List on Day 1, really, then we could have all just claimed and lynched them quick and tidy with minimal Civ losses.

If the Role List hadn't been revealed, then Epi wouldn't have been able to jump in and fool you all by claiming my Civ role, and we would have been lynching him. So he absolutely deserves to die today more than I do, in all the ways that count.

Ahahaha, sorry, nice try, but the entire reason we believe Epi is because he claimed Mike (to a few of us in PM) long before the role list was revealed.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:58 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:59 am I'm actually TR.

I'll be houseofpancakes then, and we can have marital issues.

lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:57 am Voting for DH could potentially return Nutella to us, and we'd still easily have the numbers to lynch Long Con tomorrow.

What do you mean by this? I can't "return" to you, and I don't think DH could either. My team needs to outnumber the civs to win.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:28 pm

lov thos boys

I don't know what you're talking about Epi. Randomizing 3 winners sounds like the perfect way to end an INH game.

Or if I'm still wrong about who the last mafia is, substitute in the appropriate name for Long Con.

Nice try Sloonei but I am not the last mafia lol sorry

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:31 am nutella knew timmer was the llama killer.

Her team didn't kill timmer until after it was obvious that timmer was the llama killer (way to go nutella- we do good work).

Explain to me why nutella would hold off on killer timmer with this information.

wait what? I was not on the team that killed timmer. I was on the team that killed llama.

Long Con, wherever you are, I hope you read this bro, cause guess what, you might still have a chance at a win. Join my partner and I in voting for a civilian today. This will probably result in a tie, so we'll have to cross our fingers. But if it works out, we'll do a Mutiny for 3 so that you can join us, and voilà.

LC as indie and sloonei as mafia (rather than speedchuck assuming he's the dog) makes sense.

Changed vote to Long Con, but I'm waffling quite a bit between him, Sloonei, and speedchuck.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:51 pm I feel like voting for Epignosis.

Why? I don't. He's Mike; that role's existence is confirmed now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 pm The independent throws a wrinkle into my reads. Hm.

Indeed. This is all very interesting.

But guess what? I think you, speedchuck, are the last member of the mafia.

You don't think chuck, the guy who has been acting like a dog all game, is the dog role?

Maybe?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:51 pm I feel like voting for Epignosis.

Why? I don't. He's Mike; that role's existence is confirmed now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 pm The independent throws a wrinkle into my reads. Hm.

Indeed. This is all very interesting.

But guess what? I think you, speedchuck, are the last member of the mafia.

Huh. Alright then.

Yeah I also got the "if speedchuck goes after SVS he's bad" thing, followed by Wilgy's last words pm which I believe LC is referring to.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

I am unimpressed by the context in which she first voted for me. For reference, it was that 'look me in the eyes' thing. I agree with Epi's thoughts that she's less likely to be bad since she called Epi out on his lie rather than keeping it to her team, though.

She'd also just named as one of her final 3 candidates for lynching (at the time). I think that's a good enough basis for an early-phase vote.

The main reason I chose to go with Quin in that moment was the recently mentioned catch that llama had voted to protect him(Dys).

Btw the font color is the droplet-shaped symbol, right next to the font size menu.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:30 pm Timmer
Long Con
Epignosis
DharmaHelper
Speedchuck
Sloonei
S~V~S
Quin

I'm interested in Speedchuck and DH here.

They're in the middle because I have had reason to think they are civ but it's possible they are fooling me, and I don't want to entirely discount that possibility. And I'm a bit more wary/think the possibility is a little bit higher of speedchuck.

Timmer
Long Con
Epignosis
DharmaHelper
Speedchuck
Sloonei
S~V~S
Quin

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:46 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:59 pm My catch-up took all of about 3 minutes, but when I read my role PM it made it pretty clear that I'm a good guy, thus I too am skeptical of LC not knowing there were civs and others in the game. Barring developments, that is a pretty sizeable Day 1 ping.

I suspect timmer for this post. My role card came in with my character name, a whole load of flavour and then my super definitely town alignment as a side note at the very end. It was not 'pretty clear'. There is room to forgive LC for his LMS thought process.

What made you just pull this out of nowhere? Playing the "convincingly civ description of my role card" card, four game days after timmer's post but fairly soon after I said it's a major reason I trust him?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:04 pm Quin, talk about this succession of posts:

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:31 pm llama did not vote for alignment reveals.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:09 pm I figured I'd take a look at llamas posts to see what's going on there. I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another. I do notice that he mentioned making a deal, and I don't know what's up with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm I don't reject the idea that a distracted llama might kill a heavily suspected person, but with 6 votes on him already, I'm not inclined to vote there. My other top of mind options are Epignosis or LC.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:08 pm Reiterating that llama chose to vote for double voting or something over alignment reveals last night. I remember a baddie doing something along these lines happening in The Office, and I didn't pursue it then. So yeah, gut scum read for that.

A gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.

First you take note of an odd Llama moment. Then you drop it a few days later, do a quick ISO of llama and come up with nothing conclusive and denounce the wagon that's starting to form against him, but an hour later you're suddenly on that wagon for the initial oddity you had observed two days earlier. You think this computes over here?

Wheewww yeah this series of posts by Quin really stinks to high heavens.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:09 pm I'm interested in Nutella as a player right now. Her Process of Elimination magic has whittled the game down to three possible baddies occupying two available spots. There does not seem to be a whole lot of suspicion around her. If I'm not misreading things, she almost seems like a trusted player to some degree. I've seen her as an excellent townie in past games. If she says she is confident that 2 out of 3 players are scum, and I am one of those three players, then that is something I am going to take interest in. Like I said before, if she is right then I have a 100% chance of voting for scum today by following her.

So what do we think of nutella's thought process? And could you provide more elaboration now, nutella?

I'm trying to let up a bit on the POE and open up to a couple other possibilities of players who could be fooling me, like speedchuck or DH maybe. I could turn my previously rather black-and-white list into a more nuanced rainbow if you like.


BTW, is it just me or has LC completely dropped off the face of the earth? (As has SVS obviously.)

Nice case. Feeling worse about SVS and better about you. I'd be happy if SVS and Quin were the top two lynchees (mmm lychee lol) and not you.

Well, I find it pretty silly to answer a question whose answer is literally in a post that you quoted and on a topic on which I have promised to refrain from commenting.

Sloonei you clearly haven't read the thread lol it's right there in the open

I have stated that I think speedchuck is most likely a civilian because of the mutiny thing. As for SVS, she ended up on the POE because I haven't been thinking much of her at all; she was pretty active at the beginning and seemed like her typical self (meaning she could be any alignment) and then her activity dropped off, so I'm wary of her.


I still think Epi is a civilian, I regret calling him out on his lie, and I will not comment further on the incident for the sake of everyone involved.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:50 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:56 am Epignosis is lying. Maybe he's been lying the whole time (*cough* like when he told me his role); that would be a pretty impressive ploy. A... a long con, if you will. Then again, maybe he really is civ and is lying about killing llama for some other inexplicable reason. Who knows.

I didn't even register this part of the post earlier.
If Epi is lying about something, why is he not on your POE list?

Well, he just explained it, lol. I won't say anything else on the matter.


About the POE list, I feel like for each player I have already at some point given a reason I believe them to be civ, so look at my iso for those. Might be missing one or two in there, but if you really want to ask my opinions on specific players you're welcome to do so. But I don't need to freely give out my reasons for everything, and I've already stated most of them anyway.

POE is pretty self-explanatory, yeah? Each of the other players I think is more likely civ than not, and you guys are left. What more elaboration do you need? That's... that's just what POE is.

Okay.
*votes Quin*

Epignosis is lying. Maybe he's been lying the whole time (*cough* like when he told me his role); that would be a pretty impressive ploy. A... a long con, if you will. Then again, maybe he really is civ and is lying about killing llama for some other inexplicable reason. Who knows.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:40 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:55 pm Oh dang, nice!! Rip daisy but awesome to see llama is a dead mafioso.

By my POE instincts I think the baddies are within Sloonei, SVS, and/or Quin. I'll vote for one of them.

If nutella's POE is accurate, then I have a 100% of voting right today. Should I trust nutella?

I don't understand this. Explain?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:55 pm Oh dang, nice!! Rip daisy but awesome to see llama is a dead mafioso.

By my POE instincts I think the baddies are within Sloonei, SVS, and/or Quin. I'll vote for one of them.

Why not Timmer and speedchuck, in your words?

I think speedchuck is most likely civ because of the mutiny thing. I think Timmer is most likely civ because -- well, also the mutiny thing apparently, but he just revealed that, and I've thought he was civ the whole game mostly because of his posts during LMS-gate on day 0 and the way he described interpreting his own role pm, and he's seemed reasonable/civ-like since then.

Linki: Oooo, now that's interesting, re Dys/Quin.

Oh dang, nice!! Rip daisy but awesome to see llama is a dead mafioso.

By my POE instincts I think the baddies are within Sloonei, SVS, and/or Quin. I'll vote for one of them.

also I'm pretty sure it was by opt-in PM, I remember you talking to INH about that...

something going on with your memory dude?

...did you guys just entirely miss the post where speedchuck talked about that?? He said he got the mutiny but since he didn't have internet he wasn't able to follow through with it and iirc he claimed he didn't even get to find out who his partner would have been.

Iiiiiinteresting.

Lots of event choices, but double lynch sounds like the best way to go considering we just missed one.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:32 pm What's amusing to me in all this is that there has been more talk over which of LC or Epi is throwing llama under the bus and more talk of what if we're teammates.

There's been little to no talk of whether we're both innocent or, if one of us is guilty, who may the third teammate (assuming there is a third, but I'm assuming that).

Guess I'm "little to no." I very clearly stated that I believe you are both innocent.

So, btw, I'd already changed my mind about Epi yesterday because he PMed me, told me he was a vanilla civ, and more or less convinced me through his genuine-sounding tone. I told him I would back off of him in the thread, but at this point there's no reason for me to not just be honest about this. I simply believe him.

At the same time, Long Con has been one of my stronger civ reads for the whole game (and LMS-gate caused me to believe he is most likely a vanilla civ). So, get this, I think Epi and LC are both civvies and this argument is getting us nowhere.

That being said, I think Llama is a perfectly fine choice to lynch today. Regardless of the crazy theories that Epi or LC is his teammate, I think he is a reasonable candidate for having killed Ricochet.

I'm cool with lynching llama. I can dig the distraction+annoyance Rico-kill analysis.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:06 pm DrWilgy/Detective Williams: Vanilla civilian
Sprityo/Little Donny: Vanilla civilian
G-Man/Mrs. Williams: Vanilla civilian
Ricochet/Sandy Williams: Vanilla civilian

Well damn.

I got the semantics joke get rekt LC

Ha oh yeah it totally has to be. INH is double-Lynching all of us.

Alignment reveals pleeeeaase. G-Man's role sounds more likely to be a civ I think (at least to me knowing nothing about the movie); sorry to see you go.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:03 pm I moved my vote to Dyslexicon.

Why?

llama vote for epignosis pls k

So why do you even suspect LC? You didn't explain that one, other than saying "he's doing the same stuff he did as an evil independent in Mass Effect." Ha ha.

Sorry, but you haven't convinced me on point 3 yet, and your interaction with LC has added another point or two against you. As I said, I have not gotten good vibes from the tone of your responses -- it feels like you have been caught and are trying to claw your way out. Worse, you ignored questions where answering them would have helped you defend against point 3 -- it took you way too long to give an answer for who your suspects are, and even then you did not explain them well. And now you are trying to flip the attention onto me.

I'm not "falling" for any "bullshit." I recognize that he was incorrect about a couple things from Mass Effect here, but even when discrediting the flawed parts of his argument I found myself agreeing with many of the points he was making against you.

And I already explained the pushing thing. I did not mean to imply that much agency, but you are in a way partially responsible for my decision not to vote for him because a post that you made affected my thought process.

You have not once given a single reason for suspecting me. I don't ever want to play with you again if you continue to do this. It's insulting.

Care to explain your vote?

Ooo LC's case on Epi is fascinating. I'm a little hesitant to buy into the "tells" from Mass Effect as he was indeed an independent rather than a mafia, but his response has been largely inadequate imo, especially with regards to the "phoning it in"/narrow focus accusation. I don't understand how that one tiny inconsequential response/request for clarification to me, which I didn't even feel merited a response let alone constituted any expression of suspicion, counts as an original contribution. It seems to be just some confusion on my wording, which for what it's worth I'll answer now since he does appear to be taking it rather seriously: I merely meant, Epi, that your post (about considering whether Rico's behavior actually indicated alignment) caused me to take a step back and reconsider that point/whether I should actually vote for him or not. I suppose "pushing" was not really the best word; I didn't really mean to imply heavy agency on your part (though no doubt there was some intent in your post to have the effect it successfully had on me) or that you were putting pressure on me specifically. I just meant to convey my thought process regarding the Rico situation and how you affected it, but I didn't use the most precise language.

Anyway, putting a vote on Epi for now. Really not getting good vibes from his responses to LC or from all the eye-rolling.

@Dys hope everything's ok

I'm sorta tempted to vote for Rico because I'm pretty damn sick of the annoyingness, but Epi's pushing me to reconsider since I don't really think Rico necessarily looks like/is behaving like a baddie. Like, he could be "hiding behind" the singsong bullshit and the no-u pattern, but I don't have a particularly strong reason to think that. But the more he's getting pushed on it and remaining stubborn, the more I'm doubting his innocence... idk. WIFOM and all that jazz. If I can't make up my mind on Rico I might join DH in voting for G-Man -- the points there don't feel like much but it's more than I have on anyone else.

RIP sprit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:26 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:24 pm Voting nutella to start the day.

Sounds like a delicious part of a balanced breakfast.

Not if I'm just scooping it straight from the jar.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:26 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:14 am I'm interested in the public vote as a scum hunting mechanism.

Did you ever make something of this, Sloonei?

No.

Could you?

A hat, perhaps, or a brooch, or a pterodactyl?

Intrigued by mutiny though I have no idea what it means; would be open to any of these events tbh, they all sound fine. Voting LC for protection because I believe he's civ. Could change. Maybe to myself, I'm flattered that I have some votes