The Syndicate

You have access to the baddie chat now dude I suggested either BWT, Epi, or you, because we wanted to kill someone who was unlikely to be a lynch candidate, and DDL voted you out of the three. His words "Reason being Epi could get heat from the LC thing and I feel bad for offing BWT when he is back after a long absence."

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:16 pm This game is basically a thesis on how bussing can go wrong.

yeah lol. Maybe I was overconfident about it since it had worked for me in Mass Effect.

GG guys. It's too bad I really didn't end up having any time to dedicate to participating above the bare minimum and thus was unable to defend myself, but I think our team had been doomed for a while, lol -- I was hoping my bus credit would keep me around for a bit, but it's not at all surprising that you guys saw past it by this point. Seriously though, I had no opportunity today to catch up much less defend myself as my job has been extremely busy lately (I was there for ten hours today and still have a few things that have to get done by the end of the night... I love my new job but it's crazy busy lol).

Anyway, great job civs, you nailed it. And fwiw there wasn't a ton of logic behind most of the kills beyond the general principle of going for people who were widely seen as town. If you pressed me I might figure out near-subconscious reasons I had regarding who was suspecting certain people and who I wanted to keep around for any possible framing/wifom/etc

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:19 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:59 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:16 pm idk who to suspect because i have paid 0% attention.

Also, serious question: Why haven't you suspected me yet? You always suspect me. Without fail. Every game.

But really, just give me something here. We need to know where your head is at if you are town and to be believed. Otherwise you're probably going to be lynched.

because it's unlikely you did the thing with ddl

imo

i also dind't have a sloonei "case"

...Yeah, you're bad lol

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:46 pm Why do you think it could be me?

Somewhat POE really, because if it's not Dom that only leaves a few other options yourself included.

I need to dig into your ISO yet again, but the town read I have on you due to your genuine sounding posts and your DDL suspicion only take you so far.

Particularly, what is inspiring my recent declining confidence in you is the nature with which you suspected DDL. From what I recall reading when I was talking with Sloonei (and not focusing enough on anyone other than him and maybe dom), your suspicion of DDL was all very vague and gut-based, which would have been easy for you to fabricate if you were throwing some shade on a teammate. NT also made a good point which got me thinking as well.

Further, you have been going with the flow and coasting completely the last couple cycles which really concerns me. You don't seem interested in all in hunting for this last person and securing a win.

My suspicions are often gut-based and vague. I have a hard time pinpointing specific things when a player's entire ISO sounds bad to me.

If I've been "coasting" it's just that I've hardly had time to participate lately and have been posting like once or twice a day when I can, and there's not much content in the thread to go off anyway -- I do care about finding the last baddie, but I feel like we've had it narrowed down enough that I haven't had anything else to add. I do strongly believe it is Dom at this point.

Why do you think it could be me?

NT, I'm not bad but good to see you analyzing stuff. I suspected DDL longer and harder than anyone.

I'm inclined to believe Dom is most likely bad here. Could also see serge or perhaps even NT, but I think we should try Dom and see because I am not buying his defenses and I know he's been busy but he hasn't looked much like his usual town style.

Holy crap.... so sorry I missed the vote and all the discussion, I'm a total moron and forgot. Having just caught up chronologically, I would have voted for Sloonei because MP had me completely convinced until I saw the result. Damn. :\

Hold up guys. Check out what I found.



gg y'all. wasn't in sydney at all but in the ice cream place near my office here in portland

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:57 pm RIP speedchuck.

Who you gonna vote for?

Most likely Serge. I concur with the notion that he's a probable candidate. Looking forward to seeing his responses to your recent posts.

RIP speedchuck.

Idk anything about Sydney but I'm just trying to keep zeroing in on the most densely populous areas, and it looks like it's probably C yet again

Sweet!

@[mention]Sloonei[/mention], I had a town vibe from sanmateo because he seemed unafraid to voice independent thoughts/analysis/suspicions, such as his examination of the LC voters, and he had a pretty logical approach to the game. I don't think I've ever played with him before but I got the distinct impression of a strategic town mindset. Guess I was fooled and I'll be appropriately wary of him in future games.

RIP Epi. Even if you don't understand that obviously correct as intended use of the word "quarry."

Whoa, nice result. I was totally reading him as civ (though if I'd had time to read Epi's and MP's cases I might have reconsidered -- nice job guys)

Sorry crazy day at work, not caught up, voting DDL I guess

I voted for speedchuck when I thought it was EOD but I had actually missed it, and at the time that would have tied him with LC while this was not the case for DDL. My reasoning should be obvious.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:58 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:55 amWhy me?

It feels like you are coasting it a bit. I don't remember a whole lot of in depth posting or independent reads from you yet this game. Just the vague speedchuck thing abd a little jab at DDL.

I'd say it's more than a little jab as I've been naming DDL as a top suspect for quite a while now. Granted, my inclination to look his way initially stemmed from you throwing a vote at him, but I feel that I've independently developed my own read of him. If I've otherwise been "coasting" or going with the flow of the thread, well, that's kinda just how I do.

Why me?

Huh, just looked at the rules and unlike most games there's no penalty for missing the vote multiple times (or at all). Interesting. I'll still try not to though

RIP Wilgy.

And I just realized I never voted in the night poll. Oops. Sorry Jay.

Fwiw, the deadline would be more convenient for me if it were 30 minutes later rather than earlier, but the host gotta do what the host gotta do and I'll do my best to keep up with it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:41 am What doesn't come across as genuine from DDL? Can you point to any specific posts that stand out?

Just looked at his ISO again and it's really a general vibe I get from his presence in the game. If I were to pick one that stands out it's the post where he claims he's been trying to change his town style. That really sounds like an excuse, especially on top of the fact that he's already been busy and not participating as much as usual -- it's like he's particularly self-conscious of not playing his civ style and trying to explain it away. And maybe he really just isn't putting in much effort because he's busy, but his posts mostly come across as weak/effortless responses to thread content.

Screw it I'll do a rainbow.

Light-to-moderate town read:
birdwithteeth11
Epignosis
sanmateo
Sloonei

Neutral or no read:
Dom
DrWilgy
MovingPictures07
NewTraditionalist
Serge

Light mafia read:
Spacedaisy
speedchuck

Moderate mafia read:
Dragon D. Luffy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:04 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:55 pm Well clearly your process is flawed As was mentioned earlier, you put plenty of effort into giving examples of games where LC was bad and behaved similarly, but never proved that he doesn't also behave that way when civ. Bad logic, bad process.

what are some non-speedchuck reads you have?

As I said, I find DDL suspicious for his style so far; he doesn't come across as genuine at all. And fwiw, I think my suspicion of speedchuck has actually waned a little bit from his posts since the lynch ended. He's probably second to DDL on my list now but still a pretty strong suspicion; I just don't want to end up tunneling blindly.

I'm not sure what to think of MP and Daisy, and I think it's fairly likely that one of them is bad, but honestly it's so hard to tell. MP and speedchuck are mutually exclusive IMO though -- even though MP switched his vote, his highkey pursuit of speedchuck for much of the day could not have been bussing. I could see a bad Daisy.

Oh, and I forgot that when I wrote the post that got lost while on the bus earlier I was going to say something about NewTraditionalist since his first post drew attention. It read to me like either a newbie with btsc teammates or a particularly confident transplant from another site (which I gather he is but idk who knows him). The way he reacted back with a no-u-ish vote without so much as blinking made me lean toward the latter. I look forward to seeing more from him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:55 pm Well clearly your process is flawed As was mentioned earlier, you put plenty of effort into giving examples of games where LC was bad and behaved similarly, but never proved that he doesn't also behave that way when civ. Bad logic, bad process.

You don't understand what I mean by being "process oriented," but that's okay.

What you just said was "results oriented." If LC was bad, you wouldn't have said this, would you?

My process doesn't change because I get an occasional bad result.

Yes, I would have said this. In fact, I did, before we found out his alignment, as did speedchuck. I pointed out the flaw in your process before we knew the result.

Well clearly your process is flawed As was mentioned earlier, you put plenty of effort into giving examples of games where LC was bad and behaved similarly, but never proved that he doesn't also behave that way when civ. Bad logic, bad process.

sorry I didn't know about the phase shortening but it was very short notice and I wasn't able to catch up and see it in time due to forces that were out of my control. and I agree with Epi that phases should not be shortened like this, especially with such little warning. I could have had a chance at preventing the lynch of a powerful civ role but nope. Not that I entirely blame this circumstance for that -- definitely annoyed at the people who switched to LC last minute. Speedchuck was a way better candidate but yall blew it.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:56 pm also holy shit the worst role to lose wow great job everybody

We don't know all the roles, so how is that the worst one to lose?

it's a heist... it's one of the few power roles and obviously a very good one... why don't you share my reaction

why do hosts keep screwing me over? first G-Man kills me for no reason and now suddenly my tie-causing vote doesn't count even though the poll deadline hadn't passed? this sucks you guys why can't I just play mafia without things going wrong beyond my control

also holy shit the worst role to lose wow great job everybody

Voting for speedchuck. Somehow since I last checked about 15 minutes ago a few more votes moved to LC, and I probably missed something since I didn't have time to catch up after work since you guys post too damn much, but I still suspect speedchuck. In the post I lost I was also going to say that I feel about the same about DDL as I do about speedchuck. I haven't been reading him as town and could have easily voted for him as well.

...linki wait what why did it end what the fuck I thought I had more time.. the poll said the hour, did somebody end it early, I am so out of the loop fuck stop putting all the deadlines at the end of my work hours it's the worst

Fffffffff I'm on the bus and I spent forever typing a catching up post on my slow af phone and then lost it. Will post when I get home right before deadline

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:27 pm Thoughts from catching up -

I'm torn on LC. Epi's references to other games are somewhat compelling; I was in those games and thus am fully aware of why Epi feels the way he does about LC, but I'm not necessarily convinced that he has to be right. Players don't always fulfill the patterns you expect across alignments. LC's reactions (especially the one after my post) were pretty over-the-top though and I can definitely see him being a caught baddie here.

At the same time, I'm torn on BWT as well. The circumstances of his info claim and its apparent misguidedness are intriguing, but I grant that it seems unlikely he would claim bad info openly if bad, so it's more likely it was just misguided/misleading false info. But his over-eager "let's all lynch LC" post was very suspicious. I've been considering voting for him but MP's post here rings pretty true to me and I'm inclined to trust his read:

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:14 pm BWT is being indecisive as fuck. That means he's town. If he was bad, he would force consistency.

I might look into joining Sloonei in a DDL vote; I'll look back at DDL next. Not feeling MP's and Epi's suspicion of Sloonei; I'm seeing town behavior.

Thoughts on speedchuck?

Just read his ISO and not feeling great about him actually. He went hard after LC but then backed off and expressed hesitance toward voting for him. If LC is bad I'd look to speedchuck for a teammate, but I could see voting for him independently of LC's alignment as well.

Thoughts from catching up -

I'm torn on LC. Epi's references to other games are somewhat compelling; I was in those games and thus am fully aware of why Epi feels the way he does about LC, but I'm not necessarily convinced that he has to be right. Players don't always fulfill the patterns you expect across alignments. LC's reactions (especially the one after my post) were pretty over-the-top though and I can definitely see him being a caught baddie here.

At the same time, I'm torn on BWT as well. The circumstances of his info claim and its apparent misguidedness are intriguing, but I grant that it seems unlikely he would claim bad info openly if bad, so it's more likely it was just misguided/misleading false info. But his over-eager "let's all lynch LC" post was very suspicious. I've been considering voting for him but MP's post here rings pretty true to me and I'm inclined to trust his read:

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:14 pm BWT is being indecisive as fuck. That means he's town. If he was bad, he would force consistency.

I might look into joining Sloonei in a DDL vote; I'll look back at DDL next. Not feeling MP's and Epi's suspicion of Sloonei; I'm seeing town behavior.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:56 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:11 am Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

Nutella hasn't said anything since this post. What do you have to say, nutella?

I haven't really had the time to closely follow the argument against LC, but I am generally hesitant to suspect him in situations like this (mainly because I often side with him and/or against Epi in drawn-out arguments). I'll try to reread the thread this evening and see where I stand.

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

Quinsland it is then

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 pm Hm. I was going to guess NSW just because it's the most populous and thus most statistically likely for Quin to be in I guess? But there's already an info claim. How much do I want to trust that...

Why would someone of either alignment fake claim information?

I mean, he could be mafia and pretending the option that benefits his faction benefits the civ cause. You might be right though, probably Occam's Razor applies here.

Hm. I was going to guess NSW just because it's the most populous and thus most statistically likely for Quin to be in I guess? But there's already an info claim. How much do I want to trust that...