The Syndicate

The Wilgy lynch would have been Kitana's secret ability (Wilgy was the one removed from the poll and Kitana could switch the lynch to that person)

Totally knew Glorf was behind the Ermac sock early on (so wait was there someone else behind it each time you picked someone?) and then later (when we killed you) we found out you were Ermac and I was confused and it took until you said that you weren't actually behind the sock for me to get that lol

Also I knew Quin was Kung Lao from early-- night 2 I guess is when I stole his power and learned it was a tiebreak. It's too bad I died before I got to use that again bc it would have helped a lot having access to that ability later in the game

also wow [mention]Kylemii[/mention] your win con thing was wild! I'm glad you got it

lapluie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:24 pm Can someone explain how nova died last night?

Read Kano's secret

also holy crap you two had btsc nice!! you guys played really well

Omg yessssss

Lmao I was mafia all along ya suckers

Amazing game. Major props to Eloh for sticking it out through those last couple suuuper stressful days. Really thought we wouldn't make it there but she pulled through. And speed, awesome job. Also thanks Jay for your funky shenanigans.

Thanks Epi I loved this game and I loved tricking everyone

Post 5000 for good luck

where tha ferrret drawins at huh

(shhh ignore that it says mongoose it's definitely 100% a ferret)

I completely agree with Jay. Lap may have looked messy yesterday but taking into account the full context of her behavior, especially earlier in the game, I really think she is civ.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:25 am Ugh.

Agreed LC is obvious town. Suck part is with two leading town wagons, the vote counts are not as useful. If Tony flipped bad, there's some breadcrumbs on top of the good lynch.

Tony's flip makes Nutella look worse. Tony forgetting to make a case, acting like the case was apparent and then putting forth a weak case makes me think there was never a case. Tony tracked Nutella making a kill or similar or else thought he did. Nutella basically disputed the idea of anyone having info on her.

I'm too tired to analyze the rest of this.

Anyone who thinks I'm bad with Simon, lynch Simon. A walk's better than striking out. Anyone who thinks I'm good should also lynch Simon.

Tony was wrong about me. He only sees targets. Easy to jump to a false conclusion.

Well shit. Sorry Tony.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:41 pm This is the most embarrassing EOD I've ever seen and I'm sorry I didn't break the tie... but I still think tony is more likely bad than lap. If LC dies because of this though... jesus christ you guys
What do you and Glorfindel know about Long Con that we don't?

I don't know what Glorfindel knows, but he says it so I believe it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:40 pm I just died in the other game, and this time I'm not even bad, I ain't going down like that, so I switched to Tony because I don't want to be part of a stupid tie

See, I would find that suspicious, but Glorf doesn't lie.

Oh phew LC broke it. OK.

This is the most embarrassing EOD I've ever seen and I'm sorry I didn't break the tie... but I still think tony is more likely bad than lap. If LC dies because of this though... jesus christ you guys

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:38 pm Three-way tie, can't believe I'm part of it.

Holy crap.

What a goddamn mess of an EOD.

How did you guys just ignore Glorf what in the fuck

Hmm I'm not really seeing the case on lapluie, her play has been really sloppy today but I feel like my town read on her from earlier is far too strong to reconcile with that. I guess she could be bad but I would be surprised given her earlier play.

I think I'm feeling slightly better about Wilgy from his participation today but not sure. He is the king of wifom after all and could play like this as any alignment as far as I can tell. (I may have a budding theory that he's 3P)

linki: really not liking lapluie's OMGUS reaction... ugh. I still think if it's between her and Tony I'll stay on Tony, but I'd prefer speed or maybe wilgy atm. Ugh ugh ugh I agree with Quin that this EOD feels wrong.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:50 pm Uhg, I really hate when we are about to lynch somebody & they tell us "ok but if I die town, lynch this perosn" etc. Like how dunya died then I feel doubt & we will be wrong again.

If Tony is claiming to have info on me he is lying or got bad info (there are a few redirect/switch things in this game so that's quite possible)

Btw I'm out for most of the rest of the day phase; I should be able to get back on for the last half hour.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:19 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:49 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:42 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:30 pm
lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:22 am Quite frankly, I dont really trust anyone other than nutella, Kyle, Jack & glorf..maybe quin
But the rest are my top suspects
Made is just voting following speed.
Drwildgy? ? Wyd????
Tony, only a mafia would say "don't lynch me you need me "
Chillin. Wondering why no one will vote JoH.
why do you suspect jack?
His wanting to lynch me is forced. Disgenuine.
Okay but like.... i feel like it could be argued that your view on Jack seems forced and not genuine.
So argue it. What is it based on? Mine is his need to reassure expectations of failure upon my death.
no, my purpose isn't to argue that your case is made of paper mache. my purpose is to point out that both you and Tony have come after Jack with the same arts-and-crafts project, and he is a player I've town read for a lot of the game.

Is it a real suspicion coming from both of you? Is this something that should make me concerned about you and Tony? Is it something that should make me concerned about Jack?

...yeah, I agree with Kyle here that Wilgy's accusation of Jack sounds fake. Or just no-u-ish. I mean, I guess I shouldn't get too comfortable in my strong town read of Jack bc he could be fooling me, I know he's a talented enough player, but I don't see how Wilgy thinks his suspicion is forced. Dude, you're suspicious. People are gonna wanna lynch you. If you have an actual reason to suspect Jack that you would like to contribute, then by all means do so, but so far your posts are devoid of actual content. And I don't know what "reassure expectations of failure upon my death" means.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:09 am I'm waffling on Speedchuck. He seems bad but he generally does what I want him to do and seems to be hunting (or faking it), which seems good.

Based on previous experience with Speedchuck, this leads me to believe we are in a mafia game together.

lol, fair. He has a habit of always looking the same... I just have a feeling I can't shake, and the points against him that I posted on day 3 felt pretty strong. He's been hanging back today and I haven't seen enough from him but that mostly just makes me more wary. I think at the moment I'm more confident in a tony or wilgy lynch but would definitely entertain a speed lynch if others are willing.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:47 am Okay. I’ll make a real Nutella case.

Day 1/ Night 1: Nutella has a fine day 1. Honestly, I think the metagame has a evolved to a point where bad day 1s are rare. Maybe the realms are actually ahead on the curve of discouraging day 1 lynched.

Day 2: This is where my spider sense starts tingling. She starts with some posts that establish her curse. Fine. It’s a less restrictive curse than some others, so I’d expect to see a little more from Nutella over the course of the day.

The argument is this and then a substantively similar post later changing the vote to Sig. Seems a little hollow.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:17 am I really appreciate this luxurious item I've been given that is enfranchisement, and I'm really excited to try it out, but I'm not quite sure what to do with it yet. So far I've heard of people using this product on things such as DrWilgys and TonyStarkPrimes, and from my perspective those are both decent enough choices that I might consider. Not sure I'd waste such a lovely treat on the completely absent toothed bird, but I'd be open to seeing how it might work on a Dave.

I think for now I will test out my wonderful gift on Tony. I wasn't impressed with him on day 1, and although one could argue in his favor that he has been trying to participate more recently despite the... shall we say... stark limitations of his own "gift" today, I have also noticed that one of my other suspects, speedchuck, is voting for the candidate who is currently one vote ahead of Tony. That's about as sufficient a reason as I feel I'm likely to come up with on this day of chaos. So, thanks again hosts for the beautiful shiny poll, that was really thoughtful of you and I think it'll look great on Iron Man.

...I'm not sure what your point is here? Explain what you find suspicious about this post and I'll answer. As for my sig vote, I legitimately thought dunya's case was a good one. And you say you expected more from me on the curse day but I think I contributed a good amount.

Night two opens with this:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:23 pm welp so both sig and mac were civ. :\

that sure was a stressful day phase, lol. I had it easier than some other people but it was still hard to phrase my posts. Had fun with it though. My curse was to "act like I had received a gift" (a reference to the Holiday Goodie Exchange which I ran this year).
I can’t put my finger on exactly what’s wrong but I think it’s the apologetic tone. That’s something I’ve always considered to be a common mafia tell, could be a Nut thing. Her Day 3 starts strong with a few posts that give me a slight nudge each way.

The only one that sticks out is this one

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:59 pm Nothing rabbit says is worth taking seriously. Especially if he's unfamiliar with Jay as a player.
But I think / hope it’s a joke.

Sort of a joke, sort of serious. I thought that rabbit was being ridiculous insisting Jay was bad for very little reasoning when he's never played with Jay before and doesn't know his meta/reputation, and he hadn't caught up on the thread either iirc so I wasn't putting much stock in his reads in general.

Day three on a more macro level involves a few posts on Dunya and a lengthy post on Speedchuck. Seeing as how she couldn’t vote we don’t know where she’d actually go, but if those were the directions Maf wanted to push it seems a little sketchy. And then night three opens with this

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:56 am Had I not been so unjustly disenfranchised, I would have tried to save dunya and lynch Simon. I agreed with Jay that speedchuck was the better option, but since he didn't get enough votes and it came down to a near-tie I'd probably have gone Simon. I must admit I did have some doubts about dunya for a bit when the wagon was picking up, but her pleads when it came down to the wire sounded sincere.

I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.
Which is super super mafia. I mentioned apologetic tone earlier. That first paragraph is full of it and more. And it literally doesn’t make Town sense. I can see town giving a vote choice like this late in the day to stick the flag in the sand but there’s no reason for a townie to ever pontificate so much after. Day 4 has been pretty unsubstantial outside of the classic “No you” defense. So that’s where we are. I want to elaborate on the Dunya posts that would suggest she has something outside of the first one but I also need sleep to live.

"Apologetic tone" is not much of an argument. Pretty common to feel regret after a mislynch. I genuinely wished the EOD had gone differently and expressed as much.

Also where have I "no you"ed? I sometimes happen to suspect players who suspect me, but for real reasons. I don't do "no you."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:17 pm @lapluie @Glorfindel @Marmot @Long Con @nutella @Quin @Kylemii

You are the players I am relatively sure are not mafia. I strongly think we should lynch Tony or Wilgy today.

Please advise.

I'm cool with either of those, though I am still curious how you're feeling about speedchuck atm. Moving vote to Tony.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:26 am @nutella I know you're good & want to take out mafia but I really think we should lynch Tony. His line of we shouldn't lynch him because we need him is so sketchy..why would he think if he lived another day mafia wouldnt kill him? If town really needs him mafia will kill him ofc. But that not gonna happen cus he is bad.

Agreed.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:22 pm after what happened with sig, I don't feel like making my nutella case till Night 3 if that's ok with everyone. I promise I will Night 3.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:29 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:22 pm after what happened with sig, I don't feel like making my nutella case till Night 3 if that's ok with everyone. I promise I will Night 3.
Afraid of mislynching again I see.
naturally I don't have you as a 100% scum. I'd rather make a case and talk about it over 3 days than 3 hours.

^ [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] yeah, she wasn't confidently suspicious of me enough to be claiming info. also the only reasons for suspecting me that she actually stated were that she thought my style looked similar to Search For Quin where I was bad (which she never elaborated on), and then my responses to some stuff between her and lap.

Besides, I don't know what you mean about "even without the fact that she had a blocker role." Clearly your theory that she had info is tied to that (how else would she have gotten anything), but even if it was, that's ... not info. If you block someone and then there isn't a kill, like sure you'd consider the possibility that the person you blocked is bad, but it's far from the only possibility. There are far too many possibilities in a game this complex for that alone to cause you to feel certain that person is bad. Regardless, she didn't have info on me, she didn't block me on n2, and she had no case against me. You're conveniently drawing lines between points that don't exist.

Dunya's a she (and so am I, I think you messed that up earlier). Anyway, she didn't have info on me or if she did it was messed with somehow, and she definitely did not block me on night 2. I don't even know why you interpreted it that way since I remember her saying that she wasn't actually confident enough in her read of me to lynch me. Definitely wasn't as strong as an info claim. And what do you mean she's not the only one?

I think you may be reading far too much into some things.

Oh right rabbit replaced BWT.

Anyway Quin why is that weird? He's in the same neutral slot as Dave. I guess I put a greenish tint instead of just yellow but yeah those player slots are null reads obviously.

No... unless Epi made a mistake bc Dom is still in the main player list and on the poll so I don't think he was one of the replaced players but I could be misremembering. But maybe that's not what you meant.

Did rabbit replace him? I didn't keep track of that tbh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:29 pm This Nutella read comes to you in two parts. The first part is me just looking for things I don't like in Nutella.

AND I just decided that that doesn't matter. Because you guys can all look through the ISO and see how scummy it is. I don't have more insight into Nutella as a player than most of you and I already pointed out the really scummy posts. The second part is why I'm confident in this read.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:24 am No kill

Nutella is bad.

Epignosis wrote:
Sheeva
Furious Stomp: Queen Sindel’s Shokan bodyguard blocks her target.

Tell me somebody noticed this.

And there might be more.

Nope, doesn't check out. I was going to say that it's quite possible that Dunya could have blocked me on the same night there happened to be no kill, and there are plenty of other explanations, but I am in fact quite sure that my power went through on night 2 so I don't think she could even have been honestly implying that.

[mention]Quin[/mention] Wut wut?

hmmm. not an amazing response tbh

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], your Jay/Marmot analysis makes me want to reconsider my read of you, but you haven't said much about anything else recently. Who do you want to lynch today?

Glorfindel
lapluie
Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
Quin
Dave
Dom
novaselinenever
Long Con
Elohcin
Made
Marmot
DrWilgy
Simon
speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay (3p)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:35 am Is it possible Jimmy is Ermac?

I don't think he's Ermac for a couple reasons but I guess it's technically possible. I think it's much more likely he is really Kano.

Huh, I actually really like speedchuck's analysis. I still agree with Kyle that I don't see the town motive for what Marmot did, but he is Marmot after all and has been known to do weird stuff.

Working on a rainbow

I see Jack is voting Wilgy; I've been trusting and agreeing with Jack a lot and Wilgy has also been a pretty consistent suspect all game, mostly for not saying anything of substance. So he's on the table as well.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:27 am @nutella what are your thoughts on today's lynch?

I still think speed is a decent option but could definitely also go with Marmot now. Tony is on my short list as well at the moment. He's been all over the place since the dunya lynch and hasn't really explained his suspicion of me very well (I responded to his main post about it and he hasn't acknowledged my response but says he is still confident in his vote for me).

I find myself following/agreeing with Kyle's thoughts the most here. Whatever Marmot is doing here, it seems antitown.

oh hi made

Ugh and both Jay and Simon are off the poll? Sketchy...

I'm sticking with voting for speed for now. I'm also with Jack on not liking Tony lately either.

RIP rabbit.

Not sure what to make of all this indie-claiming stuff but it feels like a distraction from scumhunting. Kano needs civs to die so I don't like it.

Well, at one point during the lynch when Jay was pushing to vote for speed, I said that I would have voted for speed if it would have likely gained momentum, but by the end when it was still between Simon and Dunya and a speed vote would be ultimately inconsequential I would have gone for Simon.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:07 pm Eloh and Lap are some of my top suspects on the Dunya lynch.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:11 pm I’m leaning Town on Lap

k dude

OK, I see. Except I still think Lap is town. Her back-and-forth on dunya was unfortunate but I think it was genuine.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:31 pm If we lynch Simon and he’s mafia we have to choose whether to pursue JJJ/ Wilgy or Nutella / Eloh / Lap and there’s way too much room for error. M

what does this mean? where did those groups of names come from and what do they have to do with each other and why do we have to choose between them?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 pm Actually Tony, who do you want to lynch tomorrow if you think Simon's a bad lynch?
Good question.

Probably Nutella.

Over Wilgy? Really?

And Jack, yeah I misread your post about Jay. I guess it's more likely that either Simon and Jay are bad together or Simon and Speed are bad together and probably not both. Do you think both Jay and Wilgy are bad for voting for speed?

Had I not been so unjustly disenfranchised, I would have tried to save dunya and lynch Simon. I agreed with Jay that speedchuck was the better option, but since he didn't get enough votes and it came down to a near-tie I'd probably have gone Simon. I must admit I did have some doubts about dunya for a bit when the wagon was picking up, but her pleads when it came down to the wire sounded sincere.

I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.

welp. yikes

Jesus you guys are talking a lot

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:02 pm Y'all: if you suspect both Simon and speedchuck, put your vote speedchuck.

Would if I could bruv

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 pm
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:04 pm IDK about Quinn though....
Look at what quin is doing. No attempt to solve the mafia. He is just trying to find where to hide his vote.

intriguing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:05 pm This Simon push is a bus. Fuck now that I said it it makes perfect sense.
So you think Jack, Simon, and speedchuck are mafia together? I'm open to the theory -- what do you think the goal is?
Cred. Obviously. Simon is an absent low contributor so they're bussing him.

also intriguing.

It's really too bad I can't vote

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:31 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:29 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:25 pm from the options, I had Marmot and Simon both down as scum reads. I don't feel good about Marmot's self-vote at all though. Like, it makes me question his scumminess.
Give me a town motivation for a self-vote
Based on personal experience, people who self-vote are far behind townies who don't want to impact the thread.

I've seen one case of a scum DrWilgy self vote, on this site, and RadicalFuzz in the vocaroo, and that's it. But Radical did it out of frustration, no one frustrated Marmot to self-vote. So what's the scum motivation for it?

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