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That was nice, bought us some time, but left me vulnerable later. Anyway, good job guys.
I didn't like that exercise in mountains and refused to participate, though I think part of it was out of laziness/because I have a hard time articulating some town reads, and I think that's part of the entire point of the exercise. Maybe I should try it, but I won't have time until later tonight.
OK, fair.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:28 pm nutella, Aside from his back and forth with Mac, I've never really felt like there was much in the way of anything concrete from Marmot, which reads to me more likely as a 3P. Uninvested in civ win or loss, but wanting to stay alive. Being less concrete in a stance allows him to be less threatening to both other factions. Less likely to die. But there is the chance that could just be Marmot being Marmot, I can't discount the possibility of civ or mafia completely with him. Still lean 3P though, all things considered.
Mac on the other hand seems to be actually putting content into the thread which is concrete, strong stances, attempting to game solve. I find it unlikely he is bad, he could be 3P. If I were 3P, I would be playing as much like a civ as I could, while trying not to be too big a threat, so I could see him possibly being 3P. More likey civ in my mind though.
hmm, are you sure you're not remembering Jay's case on LC during the d2 lynch?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:28 pm I'm confused, I thought I remembered Mac posting a case he wanted us to read and tell him our opinions on it. But now I can't find it so I am wondering if I have mixed him up with someone else.
how did you come to these conclusions?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:14 pm I fell kind of quiet last night while I was trying to find what I was looking for by doing some ISO's of the last twenty four hours of Mac and Marmot. I wasn't able to find it, which is frustrating so I'm just currently reading over all of the last cycle to try and find it. With my luck it will be nothing important and a huge waste of time, but whatever man.
As a note, I also tried to look at the Mac/Marmot exchange (because I thought it was in there) and considering Mac started on Marmot on Day 1, and we only have one remaining baddie it's clearly not a distancing ploy so I feel like the only scenarios I would entertain here are:
Mac is 3P/Marmot is bad
Mac is civ/Marmot is bad
Mac is civ/Marmot is 3P
Mac is civ/Marmot is civ
All that to say I think at worst Mac might be 3P, but I lean civ on him. Marmot seems more likely 3P, but could also fit for bad, I'd need to double check LC/Marmot, and I know there was little to nothing for Marmot/Lorab. I feel Marmot is least likely to be civ of the two of them.
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:26 amI'll try protecting you by adding a second layer of wifom to protect you. *clears throat*
If I were the last remaining mafia, I would absolutely kill Marmot next, because killing Marmot is my favorite thing to do. I killed marmot first in the jester game because it felt great to do. It wasn't even for strategic purposes. Yeah. Boy, I'll tell ya. Nothing can compare to the pure adrenaline rush I get specifically from night-killing Marmot, or maybe novaselinever.
mmm good thoughts good thoughts
mmm good thoughts good thoughtsSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:45 pm I just typed a big interactive analysis of Mac/LC and just as I was finishing it up my laptop did a dumb thing that ancient laptops are prone to do and I lost it all. My conclusion was that LC pushed hard against Mac all game except for one odd post after LoRab's lynch, and that this would normally be a very good look for Mac if I wasn't dealing with Macdougall and Long Con. They're absolutely two players who would hard distance from each other in a game, especially if they could add a layer of wifom by referencing the fact that they've already employed this exact strategy before as scum partners. Ordinarily I say that any case that has no evidence in its favor beyond wifom is not a strong one, but that theory gets an asterisk with certain players.
If I'm forced to pick a side, I do think Mac looks good in LC's ISO. Especially on Day 3, when it was not certain that LC was getting lynched and he still had a fighting chance, Mac was the player LC pushed. That push started weakly and grew into something more substantial. I don't think LC was a dead man walking for all of Day 3, and so I don't think he was willing to just punt the game away for himself at the beginning. His proposed alternative in that situation would have been someone he'd genuinely want to see lynched in his place. Mac has been firmly entrenched as a town read all game, and if he's LC's last partner then it's risky to potentially dislodge him for a wifomy save that wouldn't be guaranteed to be effective.
mmm good thoughts good thoughts
I mean that's a fair point but there's still value in keeping civ numbers up and keeping certain roles alive. I don't know that he has much chance to prove his worth here anywayEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:29 amLast-minute self-preservation tactics are why veteran Syndicate players are losing to newer players who have influenced this site. We used to be "You have to be alive to win (unless you are bad)," which somewhat made sense at the time, but I no longer see it that way. Our entire site now is on board with "People win with their faction," which makes the most sense with regard to mafia. I was robbed of a win so many times as a civilian because I always got killed. That's bullshit, and that's why my opinion changed.
It ultimately weakens the civilian spirit. To get mafia lynched and lose because they just decided you shouldn't win SUCKED. I don't even know why that concept existed (I kind of do, but meh).
If Long Con is a civilian, he should fight and show why he's an asset and get someone else lynched.
Instead he's begging us to let him use his Night action.
Boo.
hmmm good point...MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:29 amNo. That's actually my point. There is no nay saying whatsoever. The Mafia would be defending him if he was a civ I think.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:26 amDo you think someone would be defending him if he's bad?
TruuuuuuuuJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:22 am Draw Tevye's check in the night phase = no civilian is protected and no BTSC is located.
to quote myself from the beginning of the game:Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:17 amlolLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:13 amI don't actually know that trick. I can't recall ever seeing that trick.
Nobody reveal your Civ powers.
I definitely used that trick in my early lostpedia days and I'm 80% sure you were one of the people who called me out on it.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:47 pmIt's Day 3 though. He only had one read to offer, not two.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:45 pmIdk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:43 pmI don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pmThe only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as TownSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
And his 10 posts in the last 8 hours compared to a mere 4 posts in the previous 5 days is alarming.
Okay there are far too many counterarguments to what you guys are saying here.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:48 pmThis isn't Day 1.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:45 pmIdk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:43 pmI don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pmThe only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as TownSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
I doubt seriously nova was ever blocked.
That means he either missed a PM or a worded his sentence poorly.
Idk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:43 pmI don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pmThe only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as TownSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
You're several minutes behind buddy. I did think that briefly and do not anymore. I misinterpreted Jay's post. He often just says his hand slipped when he decides to change a vote.
Yeah no I got that. I'm not clear on why he did so, but if he suspects Marmot more than LC I'm certainly not about to stop him. 'Tis all good.
marmot -> wifom -> crazy gambit (crambit™) -> argyooo wit mac overnight -> ??? -> profit
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:17 pmnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pmThe only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as TownSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.*looks at poll*novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:14 pmI've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.
I would assume so, and I did consider that possibility. Dizzy's weird behavior around talking about it is throwing me off though.
sounds exactly like what someone would say who knew that Dizzy had been cursed and while catching up saw that it had become a main topic of discussion and felt the need to comment on it. Yeah, regardless of Jay's position in this, this post really makes me think Spacedaisy is on the team that cursed Dizzy and is therefore bad. It isn't much, could have been her genuine reaction of not knowing what was going on, but it sounds fake to me.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am I am super confused about whatever is going on with Dizzy right now... uh... sim is running behind and I'm trying to do both at once, it's not going well for my brain. Let me try and look back over this stuff.
Wouldn't it be funny if--speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am I'm tying up LoRab and LC
If it stays tied, the rabbi decides
I wrote it. You think it's nasty because you think it's me preemptively blaming you for a mislynch and not taking responsibility for my vote. That was not implied. I am choosing my own votes and changing my mind on them a lot. I meant that if we lynched LC and he flipped civ I would try you next.
saving this for the sockys. well done
Marmot's bad. Thanks, Marmot.