The Syndicate

didn't follow this game super closely after dying but gg mafia

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:10 pm Is this... PIE?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:23 pm oh shit i thought this ended later.

first time getting mis-lynched outside of a speed game and it only happened because i forgot to vote

good luck, fellowship

f o o l o f a t o o k

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:53 pm I'm feeling pretty good about Nutella from my 30 seconds of perusing her ISO.

.........k

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:03 pm Yahaha! You found me!

Also, resident Elongated Musketeer of Mars fills me with excite.

ah well. sorry

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:26 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:59 pm nutella, can you summarize your vote for Ambray? I know you voted there Day 1.

I didn't like the back-and-forth between her and Sloonei at the very beginning. I didn't like her blind joining of Kyle against Glorfindel despite not understanding context. Her defense of that later on was sort of okay but not stellar. She has said she is busy but I'm still not seeing civ motivations in her posts. Plus with Mac's recent assessments I'm kind of going back to the tinfoil that Sloonei is her teammate, but I suspect her independently of him as well.

Do you think a bad Ambray have been informed by her teammates about that particular context?

Not necessarily. Could be the case I guess but it's not enough to sway me off voting for her at the moment.

Epignosis is speculating that she might have been supplied with context by teammates which would only add fuel to suspicion. Why would that sway you OFF voting for her? Or am I misunderstanding?

No he's saying that since she never seemed to learn the context she probably doesn't have teammates

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:59 pm nutella, can you summarize your vote for Ambray? I know you voted there Day 1.

I didn't like the back-and-forth between her and Sloonei at the very beginning. I didn't like her blind joining of Kyle against Glorfindel despite not understanding context. Her defense of that later on was sort of okay but not stellar. She has said she is busy but I'm still not seeing civ motivations in her posts. Plus with Mac's recent assessments I'm kind of going back to the tinfoil that Sloonei is her teammate, but I suspect her independently of him as well.

Do you think a bad Ambray have been informed by her teammates about that particular context?

Not necessarily. Could be the case I guess but it's not enough to sway me off voting for her at the moment.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:05 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:28 pm For what it's worth if I am lynched - LA and Sloonei have given me the wiggins. No particular reason why, just a feeling to throw out there. Hurrah.

I can't check rn cus I'm at dinner, did Sofi mention either of Sloonei or Nutella before this post?

I can check in a minute but I know that I do not like this post. Especially after Mac insinuating she and Sloonei could be teammates. Tricky distancing ploy. Fake as hell.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:59 pm nutella, can you summarize your vote for Ambray? I know you voted there Day 1.

I didn't like the back-and-forth between her and Sloonei at the very beginning. I didn't like her blind joining of Kyle against Glorfindel despite not understanding context. Her defense of that later on was sort of okay but not stellar. She has said she is busy but I'm still not seeing civ motivations in her posts. Plus with Mac's recent assessments I'm kind of going back to the tinfoil that Sloonei is her teammate, but I suspect her independently of him as well.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:11 pm @Amby, why hasn't your wagon accelerated? What is keeping you mostly at the same pace of the others?

Because the player who is most likely to dictate the thread's activity is her teammate obviously.

Mmm spicy

Ehh I'm not feeling inspired by the "case" (if you could call it that) on DF. Can't really sort out how I feel about Mac. I'll probably vote for Ambray again.

I don't really feel like my head is fully in this game yet. I might have to come back and reread the last couple pages before the deadline because I haven't really absorbed much from Sloonei's ISOs and timmer's recent content-heavy posts. I think I'm most likely to vote for either DF or Mac but I am feeling pretty waffly on both of them at the moment. Ambray is also still on the table for me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:23 pm You know who doesn't pay attention as closely?

Baddies.

......I don't think that holds...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:35 pm I... dddoooon't think I agree. I think I'm seeing civ Epi so far.

what, you his scumbuddy?

also LC I maintain that I use a slangy/casual style a fair amount, definitely more on discord but I think spending a lot of time there recently has influenced my mafia posting style and in general my recent style has been pretty lax. revisit my first several posts in Mountains and compare if you wish

I... dddoooon't think I agree. I think I'm seeing civ Epi so far.

(He also hinted, but that means nothing when there are safeclaims)

hmmmm.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:01 am Let’s lynch nutella

Why

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:56 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:33 am Enough of the pillow talk fellas

@Kylemii current thoughts on ambray, if any?

ambray is in a more neutral spot rn. she responded well to explaining her vote on glorfindel, I want to hear more thoughts and reads from her before I can really move her up or down. idk any of her views outside of Kyle-good LC-bad

do you have a read on her yet?

I wasn't 100% swayed by her response so she's still one of the few players I feel I have more reason to suspect than most. Could change.

Enough of the pillow talk fellas

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] current thoughts on ambray, if any?

RIP nova.

...what

All authenticity here. I said what I thought about DF. I'm not necessarily defending him, I'm just saying that his D1 vote made as much sense as any D1 vote and I stated that I disagreed with Timmer's assessment. You can think what you think about me but you're wrong.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:05 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:03 pm The discussion astound rabbit is been mostly that he hasn't played in forever. Even long con who had played with rabbit more then almost anyone admitted that it had been awhile and he's not sure of rabbits norm.

Discussion of a potential meta is different than discussion of any established meta imo

this does nothing to explain why you think DF is suspicious

Of course it does? If he voted for any other lesser contributor the odds of his vote being weighed against known meta would be higher. On day 1, avoiding that kind of thing is a ping for me.

Oh... I guess I understand now. But looking at his post I don't agree. His reasoning for voting rabbit makes sense.

oh.... no lynch.... ..... k

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:03 pm The discussion astound rabbit is been mostly that he hasn't played in forever. Even long con who had played with rabbit more then almost anyone admitted that it had been awhile and he's not sure of rabbits norm.

Discussion of a potential meta is different than discussion of any established meta imo

this does nothing to explain why you think DF is suspicious

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:59 pm I voted for faraway because there are ample players being quiet and or hiding behind jokey meta and he arbitrarily voted for the one quiet player whose meta is unknown and can't be discussed. It felt too easy and calculated. It's not much but it's what pinged me.

wait I don't understand this?? DF voted for rabbit. rabbit hasn't been one of the quietest (hasn't provided a ton of content, but has posted more than several players including DF) and his meta has been discussed a fair amount. can you explain this more?

Six-way tie. Spicy.

Ambray wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:32 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:59 pm However, reading all the LC suspicion on this page....
Eep..

What does this mean?? Are you starting to agree with the LC suspicions, or not liking the people stating them?



Overall I think I like your defense... but you still don't seem to have made any effort to understand what went down with Glorfindel and your vote is still on him. And you have acknowledged that you just kind of blindly followed Kyle because you didn't know where else to put a D1 vote, but.... egh, I still don't like it. Now that you're back and can change your vote, what are you thinking?

Urgh wrote a post and it deleted. Try again.

What makes me suspicious of LC was the defense of him and people claiming there was a bandwagon when I don't feel there was one. What confuses me if last page his name was mentioned a fair bit. However, still no further votes on him, so guess it shouldn't give me too much of the heebies.

My vote isn't staying of Glorf now that I'm here. It most likely will change to LC unless something changes soon, will be leaving shortly.

I have not responded regarding Glorf as it seems to have become personal there and I don't know people here. I don't want to escalate it...

My vote was on LC for a while. I recently moved it off him and onto you, but I could move it back. Not sure yet.

Ambray wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:59 pm However, reading all the LC suspicion on this page....
Eep..

What does this mean?? Are you starting to agree with the LC suspicions, or not liking the people stating them?



Overall I think I like your defense... but you still don't seem to have made any effort to understand what went down with Glorfindel and your vote is still on him. And you have acknowledged that you just kind of blindly followed Kyle because you didn't know where else to put a D1 vote, but.... egh, I still don't like it. Now that you're back and can change your vote, what are you thinking?

[mention]Ambray[/mention] first page.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:05 pm Hot take ambray and sloonei are scum mates gg

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:35 pm
I appreciate and respect your opinion on the Nutella lynching but for my personal satisfaction, I’ll await her response to my last post to her. I’m far from convinced on the basis of her earlier response and want to see a better defense than what I got.

You didn't really give me much to respond to. You implied I had some kind of double standard re: Sloonei. I didn't. I just had a bad gut reaction to some of his early prods. As for the Sloonei/Ambray teammate thing, I don't really know what else you want me to say about that. It was a tinfoil that I felt like throwing out for reactions (and on the off chance I happened to be right). It was based on the aforementioned bad gut feeling I had about Sloonei's posts about Ambray on the first page or two. I don't really believe it anymore but I felt it was worth tossing out at the time. You agree with me that "posting to stimulate discussion is a worthy goal." So what's the problem?

Then you say you think my vote for you after Kyle voted for you was "premeditated." What?? I don't understand why you think this. Ah yes, I've calculated some master plan to vote for Glorfindel, and I'll just so happen to do so after someone else does. This accusation just doesn't make any sense. I don't think you even have the timing of my vote right, I waited quite a while after posting about you before changing my vote (mostly because I was waiting for your response).

Your last point is yet again that you think I look like I've been "caught" in changing my mind on you. I've been over this several times. I learned something about you wanting to change your meta that I was not aware of previously, and that changed my perspective on your behavior. It's really not that complicated.

and also because people using mobile can't access those links

[mention]rabbit8[/mention] it's become common practice to put ISO links on the first page so you don't have to go searching for a post by someone to get the link under their name

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:42 pm So I am ignoring Jack because his emoji posts are dumb.

Sloonei your posts are tldr.

Let's lynch Wilgy.

Why Wilgy?


I just reread LC's ISO and I'm feeling... aggressively neutral on him. In a dangerously teeter-tottery way. The fact that I can read him as bad makes me want to.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:31 pm I am most comfortable voting for LC, but that's far from being a definitive vote. I didn't like how easily he picked up and then dropped his suspicion against nutella, and his vote for rabbit looks like potential opportunism. Moving my vote back to Long Con.

hm I didn't really think of it this way, I thought his change of heart looked genuine but I could be biased. I'll reread him and see what I think about the possible opportunism. He's a tricky one that LC. Been playing with him for ten years and can still never make up my mind about his style.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:31 pm As much as rabbit is confounding and resisting me, I don't feel like he's a scum player. This strikes me as a chaos townie in the vein of Drwilgy, but more vocal right now than the Doctor himself.

Yeah that's p much how the rabbit do. I think he's most likely a townie being zany.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:21 pm
How often are mafia lynched day 1 nowadays?

Sometimes. I don't know the stats but has happened quite a few times in recent memory. What was the purpose of asking this question?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:02 pmNo, I think it's just a personal conviction against lying. He won't do it.

That's such an alien concept. It must be nice to be able to live like that.

TBF I'm pretty averse to dishonesty in most situations irl. Easy for me to make an exception for playing mafia though.


Ugh, this vote spread. "Disgusting."

I think I'm feeling better about LC for the moment, which leaves me about equally open to adding my vote to Ambray or Rabbit. Unfortunately they're both back from hiatus and I'd feel pretty bad lynching either of them D1, especially if I've perhaps forgotten their usual meta and they're really just civs doing their best with a largely unfamiliar set of players. Putting my vote on Ambray for now because I think rabbit at least is being more or less his usual self while Ambray has done nothing to answer for her questionable behavior. And I know she said she's been really busy but I think she'd still be posting a bit more content as a civ.

Second highest poster... I was actually ahead of Sloonei for first place for a while at the beginning, but he's slipped too far in the lead now.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:03 pm nutella you've been rather verbose this game.

Hell yeah.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:44 pm Emoji at me about kyle and mac, jack.

[img]Mac's responses to your questions feel inauthentic. I don't believe Kyle didn't know about Glor saying he wouldn't claim town. His push felt fake and the backpedal is crap. He absolutely was pushing Glor because he wouldn't say he was town so being like "Oh you didn't need to claim" is yuck.[/inh]

EBWOP

so...why am I not as suspicious as Kyle considering I said pretty much the same things?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:54 pm My biggest concern coming out of that glorfindel saga is, like Jack said, both kyle and nutella saying that Glorf didn't need to claim town but instead could have just said that he won't address his alignment. I can see that as a backpedaling justification from either one of them.

Nah I was legitimately disappointed that Glorf broke the [I don't want to say promise?? plan?] that he set for himself. I think he should have kept up with it. that's what I mean when I tell him good luck next time you're bad. It's a damn shame that he got too frustrated to do what he said he would do, and I really do wish that he had simply confirmed what you told us instead of glossing past that and just straight up claiming town.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm Very well. I’m putting an end to this nonsense once and for all. If no one could’ve guessed, THIS game means a great deal to me (perhaps more than any other that I’ve played here at the Syndicate) and I am not going to let those disingenuous amongst you use my reputation and meta against me here. Yes, I AM TOWN! You can take that to the bank or wherever else you damn well want to - I’m not going to blissfully be mislynched by the forces of #*^%ing Mordor! I’d said it before, and this game has proven it to me now - my continued presence in these games has become truly untenable. Accordingly, please don’t expect that I’ll be returning for The Two Towers (as much as that pains me). I’ll have more to say on this matter once this game is ended.

In the meantime, I’m not buying Nutella’s twisted logic for voting me so here... have one of your own!

I don't think I'm alone in saying that it's a treat to get to play with you, so I hope this sentiment is not permanent. I think we can all find a place where your personal convictions do not interfere with gameplay with more experience.

That said, tell me more about nutella. What parts of her logic seem twisted to you?

yeah I really didn't want you to feel forced into breaking your vow and as you could see I was reconsidering my stance based on that, I was just waffly. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings but what was "twisted logic" about my thought process?

No, I’m sure you never intended to force me into breaking any vow - that wasn’t your plan. You thought I’d stand by my principles and that would make me an easy mislynch - I can see through you...

No. I legitimately thought you were bad until Sloonei explained your previously expressed intention to avoid stating alignment. When I found out about that, I decided that you were about equally likely to be town, but I still wanted to hear from you yourself that you indeed intended to avoid such statements. Again and again I repeat this point: I, and I think Kyle as well, would have backed off of you if you had confirmed that you were following that plan to avoid answering alignment questions. You DID NOT NEED TO SAY I AM TOWN. YOU JUST HAD TO CONFIRM THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SAY. And I would have backed off. I never wanted to mislynch you. I suspected you when I thought you were bad for a completely legitimate reason, backed off partially when Sloonei provided the quote from the other game, but was still hesitant because you had not acknowledged that motive. If you had acknowledged it I would have completely backed off. Instead you decided to just go ahead and say you're town, so good luck next time you're mafia

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm Very well. I’m putting an end to this nonsense once and for all. If no one could’ve guessed, THIS game means a great deal to me (perhaps more than any other that I’ve played here at the Syndicate) and I am not going to let those disingenuous amongst you use my reputation and meta against me here. Yes, I AM TOWN! You can take that to the bank or wherever else you damn well want to - I’m not going to blissfully be mislynched by the forces of #*^%ing Mordor! I’d said it before, and this game has proven it to me now - my continued presence in these games has become truly untenable. Accordingly, please don’t expect that I’ll be returning for The Two Towers (as much as that pains me). I’ll have more to say on this matter once this game is ended.

In the meantime, I’m not buying Nutella’s twisted logic for voting me so here... have one of your own!

I don't think I'm alone in saying that it's a treat to get to play with you, so I hope this sentiment is not permanent. I think we can all find a place where your personal convictions do not interfere with gameplay with more experience.

That said, tell me more about nutella. What parts of her logic seem twisted to you?

You are most kind, Master Sloonei and I wish that what you said were true (about finding a place where my personal convictions don’t interfere with gameplay, etc.) but I think we all know that place doesn’t exist and only ever could after a great deal of disappointment and frustration both on my part and that of the other members of any Town Team I ended up on between now and this side of eternity.

As for Nutella:

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:05 pm Hot take ambray and sloonei are scum mates gg

Tell me more

you're asking all these questions to the point of sounding fake

idk the chance that you're actually teammates is probably pretty low, especially with all this interaction right after the game thread opens on day 0, but still I could see it as a possibility based on this behavior. and making a bold assertion like this should stimulate the discussion. hence the hot take

In this post, she accuses you (Master Sloonei) of sounding fake for doing precisely what you should do to drive the game forward and usually do (from my observation of your playstyle) - asking search questions. She then dismisses the probability of an ‘ingame partnership’ and then claims that her raising its likelihood should be sufficient reason to stimulate discussion... on what, precisely? Please tell me, because I have no idea Sounds like posting for the sake of posting to me.

What's wrong with posting for the sake of posting/for the sake of stimulating discussion? That's literally what D1 is all about. Gotta stir the pot. Gotta make takes while they're hot. And I recognize that Sloonei is doing what he usually does but I felt like he was doing it a little too much/asking questions that sounded forced or had already been more or less answered.

Glorfindel wrote:2. Post #72

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:33 pm i also don't think we should be so relaxed about roleclaiming. doing it helps the mafia narrow down who frodo is, and the role list also has additional civ roles "intended for mafia claims" so i don't think roleclaiming should even necessarily be a reason to trust someone.

You're bad too btw.

2 scum found.

why do you think Kyle is bad? He's expressing a very civ-minded strategic thought in this post

Kinda firm defense of Kyle here whom she will later sheep his vote onto me.

Not a defense of Kyle's alignment. A defense of the thought process of one post he made. Coincidence that I agreed with him on you later.

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nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:47 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:58 am pressure vote on Glorfindel

Oh shit good point. He hasn't said "I am town" yet.

Flippant. Cheap. Weak.

No. Natural expression of what I thought at the time was a great catch.

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nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:17 pm @nutella I'm not sure I follow your thought process RE: Glorfindel. On the one hand you say his behavior is NAI, but in the same sentence you add that it gives you a bad feeling. What's the bad feeling is his behavior doesn't indicate anything about his alignment?

My thought process was
-> He hasn't stated that he's a civ! He's avoiding the topic, and knowing Glorfindel, that means he's bad!
-> He's asked directly, and responds "Are you serious?" He's soooo obviously bad
-> Oh, apparently he said previously that he would avoid the question either way in future games so as to not make his alignment unfairly obvious
-> Still, he could be taking advantage of that (i.e. drew a mafia card and is lucky he had this excuse ready) and his blatant refusal to answer the question gives me a bad feeling
-> Still again, he could be a civ legitimately standing behind his plan not to answer (after all, he is nothing if not a man of his word.)

And cycling back and forth between those last two steps. Still, I think it would have been prudent of him to point us in the direction of his previous avowal, since it was in a different game and only you made the connection, to ensure that we understood his motive for not answering the question, rather than just saying "are you serious?"

Again, the summation of all that Nutella has put in this post is WIFOM and semantics - the kind that I suspect a Mafia would employ to blow smoke around what they might consider an easy mis-lynch. I mightn’t feel so strongly at this point had I limited interaction with her since I’ve been on this site but she’s been round long enough to know the score.

Again, my actual thought process. Completely organic. And I always waffle. Not intentionally "blowing smoke," just trying to figure out where I stood. I don't want to mislynch you, and after gaining perspective from what Sloonei pointed out I reconsidered my stance because the evidence up until then caused me to believe you were most likely bad. I changed my mind. Happens.