The Syndicate

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:19 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:21 pm Good game everyone

I at the least enjoyed being correct post death, it’s too bad it was swept under the rug. It’s always the games you try the hardest that you lose isn’t it?

Big shoutout to Master Radishes and Evenstar especially for making this one hell of a challenge for me personally
You were formidable as fuck as usual. So underrated.
Please I need to know you’re being sarcastic so I can respond appropriately. I assume you are

I'm sure he's not. You put like way more analysis work into this game than most. It was really impressive.

Man Tex's role would have been so cooooool

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:32 pm Oh God, I'm totally afraid to look at the spectator chat.

You should be. Jay talked about determinism last night.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:30 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:27 pm @JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei big thanks for hosting too! That was obviously a huge time commitment. This was easily the most elaborate game I've ever seen, so props for pulling it off.
Jay did most of the dirty work. I was just support staff.

He deserves a round of applause. I said this in private and I'll bring out here: for a game this convoluted and this massive to come down to a literal coinflip is astonishing. That is impeccable balance.

Truuuuuuuuu

gg all <3

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:59 pm Dear Scumteam:
You're about to discover something important about this game, which makes it necessary for me to leave instructions before tonight.

Make damn sure that what happened to me doesn't happen to you. Radishes is likely to blame; Sprityo never is.

The lynch is still in question, but if we don't get him now I highly recommend killing Elephant tonight; he seems to have some form of TMI and is likely a 3p or investigative.

Some of you are going to have some very hard questions to answer after my flip. I think Epi caught on to what I was doing, but he had exactly the wrong reaction 'cause he KEPT MAINTAINING HIS DAMN TOWN READ. I know we've had this conversation before, but please consider actually bussing someone for once in your life, man. As for the rest of you - can't you recognize Jester play when you see it?

Though then again maybe I shouldn't be complaining, since the day seems to be going pretty well for us as I'm writing this. And in a way it never could've if my gambit was successful, too!

Stick to the plan, use your abilities wisely, and stay safe out there. There's going to be a lot of deaths tonight, if I'm not mistaken.

Let's hope I don't post this too early and get CFD'd in the face, hey? That would just be embarrassing, even if it would still be a sort of victory for us.

One way or another, I'm pretty sure this will be my last message.

With all my love,
- X

This doesn't sound good

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:57 pm random thought I have to get out

if hyena is scum and tricked me

I think he tried to spew his partner quin town

Lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:56 pm Note that Elephant is still one of the voters on himself. He could do a last-minute switch.

I'm not too worried about it at this point

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:52 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:51 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:50 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:49 pm So the Evenstar thing ain't happening again, eh?

Okay. I'll try harder tomorrow.
lol no you won't
How is this anything but claiming the vig and the mason at the same time?
you'll see in about 8 minutes

....is....is radish getting lynched due to f3? was this whole vote a waste?
Is that what you're implying???

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:49 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:47 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:46 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
Pick another wagon and I'll join you?
Long Con? Or Pawn?

Elephant is openwolfing now trying to get a counterwagon lol

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:38 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:34 pm How 'bout CFDing Juliets?
i really hated her long con vote.
Exactly what pinged me.
Please cfd me.
Is this like that movie where the plants made everyone commit suicide?
lol! I'm tired. If I'm cfd'd it will be better for town than Elephant or Hyena going down.

How on earth can you say that wtf

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:34 pm How 'bout CFDing Juliets?

dafuq lmao

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:33 pm maybe I'm tunneling hyena now but this sudden isocase of quin feels unnatural

Yeah idk wtf the point of that is

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:33 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
Not letting you guys vote Elephant.

Oh so he's the one with the better role g2k

hyena and jack are scum voting pawn, dom and epi are wrongtown

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:25 pm Elephant self voting means a TMI on Hyena as better scum

yeah this is what I thought

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:23 pm p sure this eod is gonna crack the game wide open

eva town radish scum??? maybe??
You flip flop on everything, don't you?

Is this normal?

lol yep you saw how much I flip flopped on vanity right?

I try to consider every possibility bc I've seen how much tunnels can hurt town

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:22 pm I mean tbf if pawn is town I expected him to have a confidently correct read on me regardless of mech, and I think it's fair for him to have a top tr on me without the mech argument being valid

the mech argument was supposed to be for people who don't know me

im lost what is the mech argument

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:23 pm p sure this eod is gonna crack the game wide open

eva town radish scum??? maybe??

p sure this eod is gonna crack the game wide open

eva town radish scum??? maybe??

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:20 pm [VOTE: 112] aubergine
Day 1 reprise.

You're admitting you and hyena are scum wagons then great

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:06 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:04 pm Elephant is self voting to can vote elsewhere at Eod
I promise you, if it's me or Hyena, I'll keep my vote on myself, because Hyena is the better player.

OH THIS IS GROSS
they are w/w I just know it

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:05 pm NOBODY from our group is voting Hyena
that should give you all pause

I have been considering it

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:02 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:01 pm but eh fuckit I'm sick of tied wagons

[VOTE: hyena ] aubergine
nice

wait is iaafr leaning into the doublevoter claim here or

I think el and hy are actually w/w though so I'm happy with this either way

ugh maybe the hyena wagon is actually pure

and I don't like that el is self voting lol

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:59 pm We lynchen hyena now get on our level
I can tell you right now that's going to be the fourth town flip in a row.

uh.

but you wouldn't be?

ok

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:36 pm Be a few pages behind. Reply to a post.
See an interesting post on the latest page reply to it.
Tell a joke with no quote.
Be 6 pages off with no idea where I left off.

Story of my life ladies and gents.

did you quote the post you initially replied to? click on the arrow on it, boom right back where you were

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:40 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:30 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:21 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:14 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.
respectfully bullsit sir, i am so bad at game mechanics that i didn't fully read the op. not that i can read it with that colour. Ask Juliets when we wolfed together that she had to explain me the mechanics. Your trap is nothing because mafia should have fake claims.
The flavor is in your role card, not in the OP. The OP has a sample vanilla town role card, and yeah, if you didnt read the OP fully, you would have missed it.
My point is that you and Drago think of yourself and your scum buddies as characters, and it's not conscious to you that the other players are not characters, because you don't really care about the town flavor. If you need to fakeclaim, you can look it up.But since this question didn't actually cause you to look the fake claim up, you didn't remember the town players aren't characters.
how on Earth you considered i make a difference between role and character? You know in my language i have exactly the same word "caracter" with a totally different meaning. I try to not let myself fooled by these identical words but words like character are a problem if I don't go to translate and check them.
So you found nothing because I am an idiot illiterate in english. And mafia too by extent.

That don't makes you villager and not makes me scum.

what "subconscious aspect of" means took me a while to understand even after I asked for explanations like I am 5.
but you specifically implied your role was a character in the movie

which it shouldn't be
no. The question implies this. I just said i can't RP related with the flavour. Is a trap because I don't understand where the problem lies.
He is an evil scum.
But if you trust him please lynch me today. I don't accept other lynch because i bet my life on him being scum.

ok. I believe you. I think his "trap" thing may just point more to him being scum

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:23 pm How is that gaslighting though? Like, I'm sorry, and I'm sorry if it hurt Lexi, but I meant it seriously. I think she will react badly to my flip if she doesn't have an open mind about it.
Gaslighting, verb: "to manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity."

Wikipedia says the 7 classic warning signs are:

1. Withholding information from the target;
2. Insisting the perpetrator is correct and the target is wrong;
3. Discounting information;
4. Harshly critiquing, insulting, or denouncing the target, usually through jokes;
5. Isolating the target from others;
6. Trivializing the target's worth;
7. Undermining the target through fatigue and exhaustion.

I can very easily point to evidence that LLD has done all of these things to me.

But I don't want to engage with this topic anymore because it is exhausting and not my priority rn.

my question to you Elephant is why you knew to ask drago to roleplay in d1? you wouldn't have had any reason to know the scum had movie characters at that point unless you were one so how would you know that was a trap at that point

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:32 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm

How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.
was the forger an actual character in the movie?
Tom Hardy is described as a forger iirc. Ellen Page is described as an architect (as in “we need an architect cause our last one sucks). The others may or may not have had stated character classes.

mmmm ok

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:30 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:21 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:14 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.
respectfully bullsit sir, i am so bad at game mechanics that i didn't fully read the op. not that i can read it with that colour. Ask Juliets when we wolfed together that she had to explain me the mechanics. Your trap is nothing because mafia should have fake claims.
The flavor is in your role card, not in the OP. The OP has a sample vanilla town role card, and yeah, if you didnt read the OP fully, you would have missed it.
My point is that you and Drago think of yourself and your scum buddies as characters, and it's not conscious to you that the other players are not characters, because you don't really care about the town flavor. If you need to fakeclaim, you can look it up.But since this question didn't actually cause you to look the fake claim up, you didn't remember the town players aren't characters.
how on Earth you considered i make a difference between role and character? You know in my language i have exactly the same word "caracter" with a totally different meaning. I try to not let myself fooled by these identical words but words like character are a problem if I don't go to translate and check them.
So you found nothing because I am an idiot illiterate in english. And mafia too by extent.

That don't makes you villager and not makes me scum.

what "subconscious aspect of" means took me a while to understand even after I asked for explanations like I am 5.

but you specifically implied your role was a character in the movie

which it shouldn't be

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:21 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:14 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm

How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.
respectfully bullsit sir, i am so bad at game mechanics that i didn't fully read the op. not that i can read it with that colour. Ask Juliets when we wolfed together that she had to explain me the mechanics. Your trap is nothing because mafia should have fake claims.
The flavor is in your role card, not in the OP. The OP has a sample vanilla town role card, and yeah, if you didnt read the OP fully, you would have missed it.
My point is that you and Drago think of yourself and your scum buddies as characters, and it's not conscious to you that the other players are not characters, because you don't really care about the town flavor. If you need to fakeclaim, you can look it up.But since this question didn't actually cause you to look the fake claim up, you didn't remember the town players aren't characters.

ugh why do I find myself agreeing with my top scumread that my top townread may have slipped

this game is a disaster lmfao

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:14 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.
respectfully bullsit sir, i am so bad at game mechanics that i didn't fully read the op. not that i can read it with that colour. Ask Juliets when we wolfed together that she had to explain me the mechanics. Your trap is nothing because mafia should have fake claims.

this doesn't really help tbh

what does the op have to do with anything

you don't need to know the movie characters to roleplay a "subconscious aspect"

that could actually be a slip though hm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.

was the forger an actual character in the movie?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:05 pm Lol people are voting Eva again. This is why I hate no claims games.

I'm p sure Quin hinted at being the mason as well, is he scum?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:15 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:14 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:03 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:48 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:39 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:32 pm Radishes, because of everything that happened in D4, plus compelling reasons that I can't share. Willing to let the vig get him though.
Why can't you share with the class? I'm assuming it can't be PR-related, since you're the Mason, so surely you're allowed to, since it will presumaby help the Town solve the game.
If I share with the class I'll be modkilled. I asked. Also, I'm like 99% sure that you specifically already know what it is I'm trying to claim and you're just trolling me.
I have to give you credit, Eva, you don't go down easily.

Being heavily sussed? No problem, just imply some sinister mechanics that no one can prove or disprove to discredit your opponent.

I mean, it's working so far since no one seems ready to vote you. It's impressive.
If I leave the Nutella wagon right now and join Evenstar's, will you join with me?
I think it's fairly obvious my vote is ending up on her today. I was going to play with some other wagons first, but if you insist.

[VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine
nice bluff I think I'll call it

[VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

ok what is happening lol

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:14 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:03 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:48 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:39 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:32 pm Radishes, because of everything that happened in D4, plus compelling reasons that I can't share. Willing to let the vig get him though.
Why can't you share with the class? I'm assuming it can't be PR-related, since you're the Mason, so surely you're allowed to, since it will presumaby help the Town solve the game.
If I share with the class I'll be modkilled. I asked. Also, I'm like 99% sure that you specifically already know what it is I'm trying to claim and you're just trolling me.
I have to give you credit, Eva, you don't go down easily.

Being heavily sussed? No problem, just imply some sinister mechanics that no one can prove or disprove to discredit your opponent.

I mean, it's working so far since no one seems ready to vote you. It's impressive.
If I leave the Nutella wagon right now and join Evenstar's, will you join with me?
I think it's fairly obvious my vote is ending up on her today. I was going to play with some other wagons first, but if you insist.

[VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

hahaha nvm?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:11 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:03 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:48 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:39 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:32 pm Radishes, because of everything that happened in D4, plus compelling reasons that I can't share. Willing to let the vig get him though.
Why can't you share with the class? I'm assuming it can't be PR-related, since you're the Mason, so surely you're allowed to, since it will presumaby help the Town solve the game.
If I share with the class I'll be modkilled. I asked. Also, I'm like 99% sure that you specifically already know what it is I'm trying to claim and you're just trolling me.
I have to give you credit, Eva, you don't go down easily.

Being heavily sussed? No problem, just imply some sinister mechanics that no one can prove or disprove to discredit your opponent.

I mean, it's working so far since no one seems ready to vote you. It's impressive.
If I leave the Nutella wagon right now and join Evenstar's, will you join with me?
He'll never lynch me today, even though he scumreads me. I really hope you're seeing what I'm saying here.

....I'm seeing that he's never voting for you but I'm not quite getting it

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:47 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:36 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:59 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:53 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:47 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:43 am By the way, I think the Vig that was in our group is within, like, [TLib, Elephant, and nutella].
Can you explain what's up with the "misread roleclaim" business? The vig might be in that group because nutella talked a LOT about holstering, but I had someone else in mind for that role.
Yeah, I think people kinda thought you were softing cop with a green check on Juliet. That's why Creature instantly backed off of you. It had no bearing on my read on you though, though it seemed like it had affected other people's read on you and Juliets. It's also why I think Nanook told me that I had to include Juliets in the towncore, too, if I included you in it.
Ugh, ok. I meant to imply something else. Apparently nobody caught on to what it actually was, but I wasn't surprised to be cleared off it.
I think you specifically figured out juliets' role and I think that's because you're the mafia role cop and have been using her to your advantage.
What do you think I think her role is?
Or to put it differently, to defend myself here I have to state what I think her role is. Do you ask me to do that?

eh I feel like the less we talk about this role shit the better. do what you want

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:53 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:52 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:50 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:41 pm @Evenstar
You mentioned that you'd think LLD would be scum if nutella flipped town. Does that imply that you think the both of us would be scum if Nutella flipped town?
Yep!
Wow.
lol, I want to see where this goes now

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Ickyyyyy

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:32 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:40 pm Eva-- forget nutella and Epi for a second-- I'm not voting for either.

Who is bad and why?
Radishes, because of everything that happened in D4, plus compelling reasons that I can't share. Willing to let the vig get him though.
Quin, because they've lurked through the entire game and have a wolfy pickup today.
If it's not Nutella, Hyena is very likely scum. If neither of them are, look at Long Con.
112 could still be scum and I'm very tempted to resolve them today. They've felt weird this whole game and they had a wolfy vote earlier.

Never scum:
LLD
Rabbit
Pawn Lelouch

Lmao you literally just said lld is scum if I'm town what

Eva, if epi is right that you are town, which I am entertaining, I would be more likely to believe Lexi is scum based on what you say here. I mainly didn't think you two were w/w, but also I figured she must actually believe what she says about me, but since you say she would do that blatantly as scum then perhaps she is.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:19 pm @112, @Sprityo
@Macdougall, @JackofHearts2005
@Epignosis, @Dom
@Lady LambdaDelta, (myself)

All of you are on a two-person lynch train. I want answers to the following three questions:
1: Why are you voting for your current target?
2: Why is the other person on your wagon voting for them?
3: Do you think the other person on your wagon is scum? Why or why not?
4: How does your read of your partner on this wagon affect your read of your target?
5: If your target flipped town, how would that affect your read of your partner?

For me, that's:
1: Nutella...
- Has a terrible voting history, having MLed 3 townies in a row.
- Tinfoiled me hard enough to be seriously questioning mech, but her vote on me didn't stick.
- Responds to pressure by trying to discredit her attackers, rather than their arguments.
- Continuously engages with people scumreading her for "no reason", rather than dismissing them as wrong and/or scum.
- Scumreads Pawn, who is my hardest townread in this entire game.
- Is supporting Epi's terrible "there was nothing really on the line in the 'F3', so it was fake" argument, which is blatantly wrong.
- Agrees that Epi might have access to other threads, but refuses to consider the obvious possibility that this makes him mafia. Characterizes this argument as "You think he's scum hinting that he's scum", and implies that I could only think this due to sleep deprivation... while also being one of like two people questioning whether I'm Spiny's mason partner. Why isn't she willing to consider that Epi could be falseclaiming?
- Went along with Dom's ridiculous "Eva is claiming vig" thing as well. Very willing to try to discredit me by whatever means necessary.

This post:
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm Lexi, the only thing you've done this game is insist I'm scum. When I flip town what will you do? I'm legitimately concerned for what it will do to your mental and emotional health.
2: My read is that Lexi's voting for Nutella for similar reasons to mine - to exert pressure on someone with a bad voting history. As Nutella's reactions continued to deteriorate into outright worrying for Lexi's mental health - seriously, that's textbook gaslighting - Lexi just kept digging in her claws and becoming more convinced that Nutella was scum. I agree with her 100%, and I want to see Nutella lynched today.

3: Lexi could still be scum, but her anger and increduilty in her exchanges with Nutella are very real. Her very apparent exhaustion also speaks to my soul; I can see no reason why scum would be exhausted right now, since this game seems like it ought to have been a cakewalk for them so far. If she is scum, getting the flip of one of her major, talons-in targets is the best way I know how to read her.

4: If I thought Lexi was likely to be scum, I would not be on this wagon.

5: If Nutella flipped town, I would instantly suspect Lexi. Outright pushing mislynches is very much in her meta.

Also, I have been leaning town on pawn for a while. Show me where I've discredited people for attacking me other than Lexi who did not have actual arguments for me to address. I literally disagreed with epi about the f3 thing so idk where you're getting that point from. And you're misinterpreting the thing I said about epi accessing threads in a pretty ridiculous way. And I very quickly realized you hadn't actually claimed big, I just had a snap reaction to a post I saw our of context.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:19 pm @112, @Sprityo
@Macdougall, @JackofHearts2005
@Epignosis, @Dom
@Lady LambdaDelta, (myself)

All of you are on a two-person lynch train. I want answers to the following three questions:
1: Why are you voting for your current target?
2: Why is the other person on your wagon voting for them?
3: Do you think the other person on your wagon is scum? Why or why not?
4: How does your read of your partner on this wagon affect your read of your target?
5: If your target flipped town, how would that affect your read of your partner?

For me, that's:
1: Nutella...
- Has a terrible voting history, having MLed 3 townies in a row.
- Tinfoiled me hard enough to be seriously questioning mech, but her vote on me didn't stick.
- Responds to pressure by trying to discredit her attackers, rather than their arguments.
- Continuously engages with people scumreading her for "no reason", rather than dismissing them as wrong and/or scum.
- Scumreads Pawn, who is my hardest townread in this entire game.
- Is supporting Epi's terrible "there was nothing really on the line in the 'F3', so it was fake" argument, which is blatantly wrong.
- Agrees that Epi might have access to other threads, but refuses to consider the obvious possibility that this makes him mafia. Characterizes this argument as "You think he's scum hinting that he's scum", and implies that I could only think this due to sleep deprivation... while also being one of like two people questioning whether I'm Spiny's mason partner. Why isn't she willing to consider that Epi could be falseclaiming?
- Went along with Dom's ridiculous "Eva is claiming vig" thing as well. Very willing to try to discredit me by whatever means necessary.

This post:
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm Lexi, the only thing you've done this game is insist I'm scum. When I flip town what will you do? I'm legitimately concerned for what it will do to your mental and emotional health.
2: My read is that Lexi's voting for Nutella for similar reasons to mine - to exert pressure on someone with a bad voting history. As Nutella's reactions continued to deteriorate into outright worrying for Lexi's mental health - seriously, that's textbook gaslighting - Lexi just kept digging in her claws and becoming more convinced that Nutella was scum. I agree with her 100%, and I want to see Nutella lynched today.

3: Lexi could still be scum, but her anger and increduilty in her exchanges with Nutella are very real. Her very apparent exhaustion also speaks to my soul; I can see no reason why scum would be exhausted right now, since this game seems like it ought to have been a cakewalk for them so far. If she is scum, getting the flip of one of her major, talons-in targets is the best way I know how to read her.

4: If I thought Lexi was likely to be scum, I would not be on this wagon.

5: If Nutella flipped town, I would instantly suspect Lexi. Outright pushing mislynches is very much in her meta.

How is that gaslighting though? Like, I'm sorry, and I'm sorry if it hurt Lexi, but I meant it seriously. I think she will react badly to my flip if she doesn't have an open mind about it.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:04 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:01 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:57 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:51 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:48 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:33 pm Elephant 4 [Long Con, iaafr, Michelle, Nutella]
JackofHearts2005 2 [Epignosis, Dom]
Long Con 2 [Macdougall, JackofHearts2005]
Nutella 2 [Lady Lambdadelta, Evenstar]
Evenstar 2 [112, Sprityo]
Epignosis 1 [Pawn Lelouch]
Hyena 1 [Master Radishes]
iaafr 1 [Quin]
Dom 1[Elephant]
Trustworthy Liberal 1 [Hyena]

3 Not Voting: Juliets, ColinisCool, Trustworthy Liberal

17 votes cast and the largest wagon is 4.

What an absolutely atrocious votal. We need to get our shit together.

(I guess it's better than "nova/jack is obvious scum, lol", but not by much.)

@Hyena
@Elephant
@Quin
@Master Radishes
@Pawn Lelouch

All of you, make your strongest case for why the person you are on right now deserves to be in contention. If you don't have a case you're willing to put time in to defend, vote someone else.

@juliets
@ColinIsCool
@Trustworthy Liberal

This may be the most important day phase in the entire game. We need your input. Put a damn vote down already.
Dom is an infolynch at this point. If he flips scum, Michelle is absolutely town, unless she refuses to commit -- and if she refuses, I need to re-evaluate her.
I have made a case on Radishes for the F3 lynch.
Lynching in my group is straight POE.
Sorry, hold on. You want to infolynch at this stage ? And you want it to be Dom, because it'll clear Michelle?

I have too much respect for you to think that's town mindset logic.
I'm not convincing you anyway. You're not baiting me here.
Fine, I'll try to cut down the sass. I do mean it that I respect you, though.

But we're not lynching Dom today just to see how that makes Michelle look. We are far too deep into this game, and the mafia are doing far too well, to be wasting a lynch on that. Vote for Dom if he's a wolf, not because he's an info lynch.
If Michelle is town, Dom is 100% a wolf, pending Michelle's reaction.

uh what why

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:02 pm Here's a question for the Syndicate people. I'm not used to playing with role points. Would the power roles usually still have role points left this far into the game, or would they be spent? Or would the PRs have kept a RP saved up? How would new players handle this?
The thought behind this is, is it safe to talk about PRs now? If the RPs are spent, we are all as good as vanilla now, and if we can identify roles, we have townclears.

The role point mechanic is new to us as well lol.

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