The Syndicate

@Porscha deserved to be listened to, when the shrug ML goes down screaming it's dizzy just chop dizzy next time

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:03 am I shouldn’t have baited PC, I’m sorry.

When I neighboured them, I really thought this would be a straightforward dizzy vote. The ferocity with which PC came at me today was a complete shock.

yeah honestly

i thought the neighboring would lock it in for town

but it really shouldve just been done the previous day

town had him dead to rights for a few days and he was never towny and ALL the dead townies were sure it was him and yet you ignored that and you believed his convenient mech claim over golden's...everything...

ok

u guys played great rest of game tho gg

cant believe dizzy got away with this again lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:01 am lmao git gud noobs

Well hope im right lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:51 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:51 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:50 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:48 pm Ugh. I’m also annoyed at the fact that I am the only one that had a vig shot today. I vibe hugely with Creature’s comment of us all farting around in an elevator
It should be mandatory for every game with more than 25 players to have ITAs or an acceptable variety.
What's an ITA?
in-thread action/ability
I thought it was In-Thread Attack
maybe. it doesn't matter.

well, it does, it's specifically that they are KP that's the point lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:45 pm Tbh sean's wagon size and the way he's talked about his shots and stuff probably just means hes a 3p serial killer lmao.
That would be fun, but makes little sense with my play.
and what does?
That I'm a 1-shot vig that wanted to eat the NK since I don't actually have the time to invest in this game.

Oh, if you were 1 shot all along then I literally have no reason to keep you alive LOL u played urself

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:45 pm Tbh sean's wagon size and the way he's talked about his shots and stuff probably just means hes a 3p serial killer lmao.
That would be fun, but makes little sense with my play.

and what does?

Tbh sean's wagon size and the way he's talked about his shots and stuff probably just means hes a 3p serial killer lmao.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:41 pm @falcon45ca @nutella @Neon @Dyslexicon @Alison @Party Crasher @Creature @Marmot @Lilypetal @Porscha

Come talk to me.

You have not had anything to talk about.

Will you kill a wolf

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:40 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:39 pm Are those wagons just all town?
The motion is a good sign. I detect a hit.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:29 pm o ask people to make their bolds larger

Or just use the highlight partial quote feature that only works like 30% of the time

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:20 pm Why is Rondo a wagon? He seemed rand!v from my memory on Day 1, but I didn't pay much attention to him and don't understand what's changed.

I'll peek at his ISO, but I want to hear why people are actually voting for him.

theres a major exchange with him and mac and a large mac case on him around pg137

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:11 pm If Sean is doing the same things he was yesterday (mildly poking at things without any follow-through), this feels like a good choice.

He's not even poking. He's like, lifting a finger and wiggling it a bit every so often.

Obviously I'm not 100% certain and it will feel pretty damn bad if sean is town kp after all but he has done nothing to convince me of that. But I'm also fine with flipping rondo tbh.

Kill Sean. SVS is what the wolves want and her defense is fine. Sean has no content.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:53 pm Seanzie should be the elim. I'm back to confidence on this. Rondo is probably just also a wolf and is a fine wagon but Seanzie is wolf kp and should die.
Why Seanzie? Why is he mafia? Why would he claim to be KP? Why would he claim to be strongman on top of all?

Bro he's literally the wolfiest person in the thread. His iso is garbage. He shot ilario etc etc I feel like a broken record like read some of my earlier stuff about him ffs.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:52 pm Sorry but the bolded is a TMI slip on my alignment I think.

Nahh that is silly. I think her defense is p townie and her wagon is shit and Sean/Rondo are just wolves

Seanzie should be the elim. I'm back to confidence on this. Rondo is probably just also a wolf and is a fine wagon but Seanzie is wolf kp and should die.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:52 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:28 pm i used my once a game night action on sabi but they were shot by someone else

so so so so so sad

huh

ok yeah this is not a claim that she shot sabi lol it was some other action that was rendered useless by sabi dying

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:32 pm I am kinda worried Neon might be just trolling about actually shooting Sabiplz. Otherwise I would heavily townread her for that.

If it's true that lily shot sabi then I'd question the neon claim but the way lily reacted seemed like it was something else, not a cc

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:20 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:19 pm Meanwhile Marmot is crying in wolf chat
I’m not pursuing this atm but let it reflect that if marmot is wolf so is nutella

Nah if theyre wolf they deliberately took advantage of me being pocketed d1 and sent me a tree to keep me in the pocket.

(if seanzies not gonna happen ill vote rondo but will see what happens)

Omg the svs wagon is sooooooo rancid rn tho

but shes wolfy

aa

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:38 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:19 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:16 am Mac if you're wolf here this is some GLORIOUS stuff and I am proud to be a part of it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:16 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:10 am Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird
You can't keep dropping random shade on me while also speaking to me like you know I'm obvious town. You're quite obviously just floundering like crazy.
yeah lmao the random flops to shading you after mainly treating you as town is a really bad look

given his progression on ender also reeks of bad tmi management
This statement is going to look funny post game

?

also i think youre overblowing the alison thing, like her point is actually potentially worth something if seanzie is wolf kp and a higher priority to elim, but your case was also real and good and i think sean and rondo are prob just w/w and i dont think alison disagrees

but i am not tring him as firmly as i was earlier

once again creature having bad takes is nai

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:01 pm I have no idea why I wrote SVS pusy. That is ... an interesting autocorrect to say the least.

I'm sure the purity of the pusy is in tact. Need to be clear on this.

page was boring until this

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:57 pm All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.
Are you saying you find Creature town?
Yes.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm yall creature is town lmao
Talk to me about your Creature TR if ya plz
I don't really know how to articulate it beyond he's doing all the Creaturey things Creature does as town. Throwing out seemingly random pushes and names and complaints, lots of complaints and waiting for things to happen while tossing in reactions on the sidelines. Those are things that sound kind of baseline wolfy without context but having played with Creature a lot it's happening in an organic way and does not look like he's forcing himself to post. Glancing at his iso I could be wrong and don't see particular things that really bolster my confidence here, so I'll lay off on strongly shielding him as I could be wrong but really do not think he's a priority when we have a handful of promising wagons atm.

@Party Crasher ftr

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:36 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:29 pm Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.
Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.
That relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.
I have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into it
creature too?

No thats just a read lol

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:23 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm oh also the mac/golden back and forth was an interesting read, i still have paranoia of golden as well, and michelle highlighted the below rask quote which i think is worth noting

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:44 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:27 pm @Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?
cape v shoot golden imo

Genuine question: assuming I know that quote is out there, and I’m wolf, what do you think my reaction is to a proposed rask kill in wolfchat?
this is never a worthwhile argument ime. there's too many variables
No, I think there's value in the thought exercise. Because the assumption, I think, is 'golden would have been against it, but he would have been outvoted'.

Let me tell you what my response would be, then, since you're not keen on the thought experience.

I'd be fine with it. Rask didn't look committed to the read on me at all, and the reality of my Cape read is that I was damned to some people thinking I was wolf no matter what Cape flipped. It was either 'w/w pairing' or 'TMI'. No one was willing to listen and just take it as what it was - 'the case on Cape is shit'. Rask is just one of many people who don't have any experience of me who find it suspicious that I'll defend someone in that way. So my thoughts on that kill, I'm pretty sure, would be 'yeah, fine, whatever'. LPP made zero impression on me as a player on that day one.

Genuinely, did not know that post existed until people brought it up on day two. I mean, yes if I was a wolf, my teammates would have known. I'm just not sure why anyone would equate it to being reasonable motive for the kill.

(I'll add to that, I think that 'who did the person who just died suspect' is inherently bunk analysis, especially on day one.)

okay

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:29 pm Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.
Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.
That relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.

I have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into it

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:29 pm Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:20 pm Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Because Sean is mafia kp

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm oh also the mac/golden back and forth was an interesting read, i still have paranoia of golden as well, and michelle highlighted the below rask quote which i think is worth noting

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:44 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:27 pm @Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?
cape v shoot golden imo

Genuine question: assuming I know that quote is out there, and I’m wolf, what do you think my reaction is to a proposed rask kill in wolfchat?

this is never a worthwhile argument ime. there's too many variables

But I also liked mac's wagon analysis that suggests she could be an easy wrong push here so idk

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:05 am Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.

I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.

SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.
By that logic, is wolf SVS not level headed? I think that’s undermining the skill of SVS.

I have seen an SVS hanging around in the shadows and picking one person- Marmot- with whom to build a case around. That’s perfectly safe, and not obtrusive as Marmot had already been a target of ire for people.

*shrug*
SVS is kind of in the game state spot I would expect mafia to be. Their content does feel safe and almost controlled. So if that is unlike her as town, that is very much a red flag

Yeah actually golden made a good point about that a page or two back as well, that she would be more reactive to the wagon on her as town

lily is a weird slot for me, i kinda forget she exists when she's not around and she hasn't been around much, people have called her town but i dont really know why at all, seems like shes hanging out in the background, maybe did enough d1 to earn some townreads and is skating on them

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:42 pm The thing is basically

Rondo looks like a lot of flailing and his posts reads AGENDA all over. Like it's not coming from anywhere, it's just manoeuvring. That's how I read it.

I don't see any solving or even helping in Sean's posts. It's mostly fluff and one liners, and few of them are game relevant, and if they are they are shallow. I think Sean would actually try to solve the game if he was in this position as town. I'm not seeing that here.

I think it's pretty likely both are wolves. And I'm not known for having strong wolf reads.

Yeeeeeeeee

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:16 am I probably haven't been living up to my job title lately haha.
I’m definitely not living up to mine.

I don’t even know anyone named Jeff

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:57 pm All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.
Are you saying you find Creature town?
Yes.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm yall creature is town lmao
Talk to me about your Creature TR if ya plz

I don't really know how to articulate it beyond he's doing all the Creaturey things Creature does as town. Throwing out seemingly random pushes and names and complaints, lots of complaints and waiting for things to happen while tossing in reactions on the sidelines. Those are things that sound kind of baseline wolfy without context but having played with Creature a lot it's happening in an organic way and does not look like he's forcing himself to post. Glancing at his iso I could be wrong and don't see particular things that really bolster my confidence here, so I'll lay off on strongly shielding him as I could be wrong but really do not think he's a priority when we have a handful of promising wagons atm.

yall creature is town lmao

oh also the mac/golden back and forth was an interesting read, i still have paranoia of golden as well, and michelle highlighted the below rask quote which i think is worth noting

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:44 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:27 pm @Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?
cape v shoot golden imo

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

i am still very thirsty for seanzie's blood but atp thinking it may be optimal to get rondo and control sean's kp

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:16 am Mac if you're wolf here this is some GLORIOUS stuff and I am proud to be a part of it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:16 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:10 am Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird
You can't keep dropping random shade on me while also speaking to me like you know I'm obvious town. You're quite obviously just floundering like crazy.

yeah lmao the random flops to shading you after mainly treating you as town is a really bad look

given his progression on ender also reeks of bad tmi management

i mean i think sean and rondo fit as w/w from mac's earlier wagon analysis as well so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:05 am I challenge anyone to read pages 136 and 137 of this game and refute that my argument renders Rondo the most likely mafia in the game.

sup ive just been reading through this exchange and yeah rondo sure looks like mafia as fuck

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