The Syndicate

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:10 pm I see all above discussion and here's my counterargument:

GoC is meant to celebrate the previous year's games, and it's meant to be fun and competitive.. This one did all of that. The roles and events creatively pulled form 2023's list of games, none of the mechanics were broken or bastard, and there was a lot of good team and individual play from the players. It was fun, it was competitive, it came down to the wire, there was no toxicity or unpleasantness, and the hosts were communicative and immaculate in their preparation, organisation and running of the whole event.

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

this!!

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:22 pm Leetic winning is hugely deserved.

Biggest disappointment for me: I vigged Wilgy N5. He only survived due to a randomized posthumous nanook ability

I'm also disappointed I didn't push wind harder to go over radishes, but ah well. The wilgy mechanical fluke was more frustrating to find out

Leetic winning is hugely deserved.

Biggest disappointment for me: I vigged Wilgy N5. He only survived due to a randomized posthumous nanook ability

maybe it's davos lol

oh that's exciting

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:10 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:01 pm So I just did a quick ISO of MR and I don’t like what I see.

They mention the members of Arbitr a lot , he always seems to have some level or suspicion of Falcon and lemon, even voting for them multiple times yet anytime another wagon seemed viable he jumped and always seemed to cast shadow of doubts on those two wagons. Overall there’s definitely some flip flopping there.

He barely mentioned Rico and when he did it was mainly positive.

You flip this with the other mafia team that’s flipped and his views all seemed to have been much more concrete with them suggesting TMI with Red Mafia and not landlords
Oh no I flip flopped which no civ ever does

When I say this it's towny but you managed to make it sussy

I had radish as more likely than wind for a good couple days though mm

I won't fight a Radishes yeet for sure but my current called shot is wind + delta

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

yeah this

delta's mafia tbh ngl imo btw

interesting, i have wind down as more likely landlord from my reread of east/lime stuff (and from being less likely with lemon) but i can see what you're seeing there too

ok actually though i'm staying on windward

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:34 pm don't like attempts at POE expansion from nutella while she's holding firm to "the poe is correct"

i'm not though lol

that could actually make sense

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:30 pm

But I do feel like worrying about whether the wolf distribution is even is opening a can of worms, tbh. It's not as if I haven't also thought about it, but it feels kinda wrong to at this point. I can think of very few ways to balance out an uneven number of mafia in each thread, and it involves 3ps and sock puppets.

and as for this, well, the west sock puppet was town, maybe the davos one is wolf but would that then imply that there's one more actual wolf player in the west side and he's in east to balance out us being town lol

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:03 pm they (the westerners) are pretty much all sitting back and doing nothing this phase which exacerbates the worry

like i'm actually paranoid of epi because he was sort of weird about the falcon stuff and his spat with sloonei afterward and i think he's comfortable now idk
I actually gave some thought to the Epi/Sloonei thing after Sloonei flipped, but I feel like the simplest explanation was just that Sloonei mightve had a wincon to execute Epi. Idk, I guess I'd have to hear from some people from West about whether this also happened in their thread before the merge, and since Sloonei was 3p his push doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Epi's alignment and he probably wouldn't even have known for sure.

But I do feel like worrying about whether the wolf distribution is even is opening a can of worms, tbh. It's not as if I haven't also thought about it, but it feels kinda wrong to at this point. I can think of very few ways to balance out an uneven number of mafia in each thread, and it involves 3ps and sock puppets.

strongly doubt it was anything like that and i do not find it productive to speculate on sloonei's win con, i think he believed that epi was falcon's teammate and i can see it

i'm tired and spent all my focus today on work but if yall have more energy for digging i do suggest we start to earnestly look into interactions of west folks too even if we commit to yeeting an easterner today

the more i think about it the more i think it's literally just stupid and naive to assume the split is perfectly even. like it's too easy

they (the westerners) are pretty much all sitting back and doing nothing this phase which exacerbates the worry

like i'm actually paranoid of epi because he was sort of weird about the falcon stuff and his spat with sloonei afterward and i think he's comfortable now idk

at least for today i will probably stick to voting in east but idk guys i'm worried

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:00 pm Delt, Epi, Sig, TSP

like i'm gonna be real i could see any of these names being mafia at this point while the eastern folks are just like all pretty towny right now LOL

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:47 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.
Unless we somehow flip an extra 3p on our side of the thread, I wouldn't be pressed to consider that the mafia count is skewed.
I mean if we want to bank the game on a PoE of 4, then let's kill us all off one at a time. Hard to predict how the numbers will work out, but if you're that confident then it should be fine.
That's exactly what I'm suggesting, yeah. Kill off our side of the game and probably all the wolves are dead and town wins.
This is the way

what if we're all towny though

also if you think coasting in later days isn't what you expect from me you're expecting wrong lol (i expected to be dead by now ngl and im lazy and busy)

whew suddenly posting is happening again

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.

oh believe me i've been keeping this in the back of my mind as well. like i do think it is just slightly silly to be completely tunnel visioned about this because if there is a wolf from west they are just sitting back and laughing at us this whole time

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:05 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:04 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:01 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:00 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:59 pm Ok I'll try one more time
I'm pretty sure that you, Nutella, would not let Brad get away with writing your name as a partner in a list with a bunch of non-partners like that. I wouldn't, either, especially not if I'm in the thread at the same time as he is and could just tell him in wolfchat not to do it. If he was gonna screw around and get himself yeeted, I'd make sure he didn't spew his teammates so easily. But my point is, I have the same expectation of you, so I do not believe that your name being in Brad's list is as important as the notion that you as a partner would allow him to do that. I just don't think you would, for the same reason I wouldn't.
I doubt his teammates were dictating the list or any of his posts. Whether or not he was in full antispew is one thing but this is silly
I believe he had a teammate who was
Because I've wolfed with him before. And when he was under pressure and frozen in the thread, he went immediately to wolfchat to ask us what he should do.
This is to say, he spent like a full 12 hours or more talking in wolfchat without appearing in the thread
In two games, of a sample size two where we were w/w

interesting thank you for the data

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:59 pm Ok I'll try one more time
I'm pretty sure that you, Nutella, would not let Brad get away with writing your name as a partner in a list with a bunch of non-partners like that. I wouldn't, either, especially not if I'm in the thread at the same time as he is and could just tell him in wolfchat not to do it. If he was gonna screw around and get himself yeeted, I'd make sure he didn't spew his teammates so easily. But my point is, I have the same expectation of you, so I do not believe that your name being in Brad's list is as important as the notion that you as a partner would allow him to do that. I just don't think you would, for the same reason I wouldn't.

I doubt his teammates were dictating the list or any of his posts. Whether or not he was in full antispew is one thing but this is silly

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm Actually uhhh 360 no scope [VOTE: windwardaway] aubergine

I just got bored enough to finally go back to reading some east facility isos and I feel better about wilgy and worse about wind again

Think wilgy posts dont quite make sense with either team but wind fits as landlord (and radish could still be the arbiter)

Wilgy did basically just never interact with brad yeah but idk just a vibe that i could easily see him as just uninformed while i could see your brad comments as a light bus
Read Brad's response to me, though
He didn't even reply directly to me and just went like, oh man, I thought you were town as soon as I voted him
You are the only non-flipped (non-me) name in his town list and I think it's decently likely he included his teammate actually. Put you second. I mean either way that gets read is just gonna be confbiased but I don't see why his response to you can't be a teammate interaction
Because I think the exact opposite about his townlist. I absolutely do not think you have partner equity with Brad, and from your pov I should, if we're the only two living players left on his townlist. But I don't believe that's true because I'm not his partner and I don't think you are, either. Does that make any sense? I don't think Brad's townlist is a good reason to push you. I know I thought earlier in the game that you had TMI on falcon because I completely misinterpreted your posts, but I would still argue that something like that would be a stronger reason than whether Brad listed you as town or not, and that reasoning is completely gone for me now.

I guess what I'm saying is, you can have your paranoia about my being in Brad's list, but I wouldn't apply the same logic to you. Am I wrong for thinking that?

That's fine. But his treatment of us is not identical

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm Actually uhhh 360 no scope [VOTE: windwardaway] aubergine

I just got bored enough to finally go back to reading some east facility isos and I feel better about wilgy and worse about wind again

Think wilgy posts dont quite make sense with either team but wind fits as landlord (and radish could still be the arbiter)

Wilgy did basically just never interact with brad yeah but idk just a vibe that i could easily see him as just uninformed while i could see your brad comments as a light bus
Read Brad's response to me, though
He didn't even reply directly to me and just went like, oh man, I thought you were town as soon as I voted him

You are the only non-flipped (non-me) name in his town list and I think it's decently likely he included his teammate actually. Put you second. I mean either way that gets read is just gonna be confbiased but I don't see why his response to you can't be a teammate interaction

Also like it was productive to remind myself how wolfy you were on d1 lol i think i changed my mind too easily and you merely bounced back to making yourself look towny

Also alison is doubtless mad that we've gone several days towning you

Actually uhhh 360 no scope [VOTE: windwardaway] aubergine

I just got bored enough to finally go back to reading some east facility isos and I feel better about wilgy and worse about wind again

Think wilgy posts dont quite make sense with either team but wind fits as landlord (and radish could still be the arbiter)

Wilgy did basically just never interact with brad yeah but idk just a vibe that i could easily see him as just uninformed while i could see your brad comments as a light bus

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:34 pm Wheel of fortune seems scary too watch out nutella

It's good luck for lunar new year

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:07 pm i feel decently confident it's just wilgy and radishes
What makes you think WWA is least likely? I think it's obvious they aren't an arbiter but nothing I've seen clears them from being a landlord

Wind is possible, I just think she's been the towniest. I did scumread her at the beginning of the game in her back and forth with Alison, so it's in the back of my mind that it's possible she bounced back from that and has been fooling me since

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:07 pm I’m super paranoid Nutella is mafia, which probably means she’s town.

I want to say we keep the Poe going and not succumb to paranoia, but I get very paranoid in late games

yeah i had a paranoia tinfoil/backup plan line typed out in my previous post and deleted it lol just stick with poe first

i feel decently confident it's just wilgy and radishes

[VOTE: wheel of fortune] aubergine @Scotty @S~V~S

god damnit

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:44 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:38 pm still wilgy first i think but wilgy more likely landlord and radish arbiter if nook isnt
Is your read on Wilgy based on any interactions with Brad or Abby?
Vaguely on brad i guess
Care to elaborate?
i said vaguely for a reason
So your source is you made it the fuck up?

my source is it feels like it makes sense from my memories of the east thread but i dont have the inclination right now to trawl back through it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:14 pm Sick, can I be confirmed not mafia now?

this lmao, it's essentially a naked 3p claim

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:49 pm I also don't think Sloonei is Mafia tbh, but 3P is more likely.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:25 am Lynch Sloonei please.
I will not fight it, but it would not yield the result Town Epi is hoping for.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am I assure you I am playing this game with town's best interests at heart.

oh yeah there was a post other than those two that specifically gave me the 3p sloon idea let me find it

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:44 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:38 pm still wilgy first i think but wilgy more likely landlord and radish arbiter if nook isnt
Is your read on Wilgy based on any interactions with Brad or Abby?
Vaguely on brad i guess
Care to elaborate?

i said vaguely for a reason

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:38 pm still wilgy first i think but wilgy more likely landlord and radish arbiter if nook isnt
Is your read on Wilgy based on any interactions with Brad or Abby?

Vaguely on brad i guess

still wilgy first i think but wilgy more likely landlord and radish arbiter if nook isnt

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:35 pm I see no reason why Nanook’s productivity level should be considered significantly correlated with his alignment

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:35 pm I guess if you wanna correlate it with your sympathy that’s on you

why are you like weirdly defending him at the eleventh hour kinda weirdly TMIy vibe

meh anyway in case i finally die (paradoxically i might be alive for having not said this yet) the emergency button alluded to earlier is in fact master radishes

exciting thread

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:59 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:53 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:41 am Alternatively, let's do this:

Nanook is a civilian.

Where do you go from there?
Wilgy and a secret emergency button i won't divulge yet.
Why?

In my skim I saw a silly post from you that was like 2 in Wilg/Nook not aligned without much other data. Where did this thought come from? Do we actually think that I was on a team with Falc (who I actively talked you away from tring early), Rico, and Lemon (who decided to start pushing me as I started being able to play more)?

Prolly the other one

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:41 am Alternatively, let's do this:

Nanook is a civilian.

Where do you go from there?

Wilgy and a secret emergency button i won't divulge yet.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:23 am Sleeping on the kids

i know you're new to this parenting thing but i don't think that's what you're supposed to do to them

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:35 pm Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?
Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:58 pm i also think the
falcon wagon's stale too
and i town lean him

meanwhile there has been
more resistance to monroe
feeling that's the hit
probably not quite what you're after Leetic but considering Falcon/Lemon were aligned this caught my eye anyway

@nutella what caused the change in read on Falcon between these posts? I dont think you ever explained it & later you doubled down and said you didnt think Falcon flipped wolf by EOD so ?_?

Because looking at his posts between these two, it's not really.. inspiring? he has a few posts about how hes obvtown n stuff, I dont get how that shifts him from scumlean to townlean !_!

Idk tbh, I townread him at the beginning of the game and the wagonomics was a factor, idr about his posting that day specifically but I just didn't particularly feel it

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

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