The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Matt wrote:Yes, I do. He questioned you for several phases, even voted for you once (though later switched to Tranq). In addition the quote of his I keep posting.

Dom NEVER bought that you were neutral. His words.

Linki - FZ, at this point, I think Boom is trying to balance not getting lynched or NK'd. I don't think he wants to outright agree with the theory that he's a btsc checker. But hey, as long as he has heat on him, the baddies won't kill him. I just hope we don't lynch him either.
No he didn't. He asked what the case on me was on Day 5, so only questioned me after that. I think this means he wasn't paying attention to me before that.

What do you think Matt? Do you buy my claim?
He could have started paying attention on N5, then.

D5 "What's the case on MM"
D5 "... ok, no answer"
N5 "Check!"
D6 "...oiooh"
Well he spent more time saying I'm not to be trusted then saying I'm bad.

One last thing before I go...

Are you conceding that you lied about being neutral and that Dom found you out?

Anyway, peace out peeps.

Linki - Ummm whatever DH?

Linki - FZ - Vote for whoevs at this point. I'd rather not see Boom lynched, but if that's what town wants to do, so be it. Peace

Linki linki linki

I guess I'm not getting it, Rico, I'll check to see what you mean when I get home.

Ricochet wrote:If there are two teams and we've only caught two (and by caught mean the civ vigi took care of one and we lynch another by pure four-way luck), then why bother living (err) anymore? Everyone civ should just openly concede and let the two teams face off for the title.

So you think one of Epi/Llama killed Zeebs N1, and the (possibly only one) baddie team was blocked on N1?

That's a possibility, but it's reaching, I think.

Rico - Do you believe MM's claim? It seems like you do. You also question him, but I dunno. I think Dom's quote (on Day 6) is fairly telling on what he thinks we should do with MM.

Anywho, I have to get off to work soon. Please don't lynch Boom. Thanks!

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:MM, I believe there are two teams. Unless there is/was a target switcher, Zeebs was killed on N1, and I believe she was the only kill that night, correct?
Nope.

What do you mean "Nope" ?

I just checked the night post.

MM, I believe there are two teams. Unless there is/was a target switcher, Zeebs was killed on N1, and I believe she was the only kill that night, correct?

However, you made your comment on "which team" before Zebra was killed. I think you slipped.

No, I don't. I think I was right early in the game when I sussed you for slipping. Dom's quote only adds to that, IMO.

Save Boom! Vote Marmot!

Dom wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I never bought the narrative that Marsh is *neutral*. I suggest you all find your receipts and head to the nearest customer service desk.

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:
3) What theory? I thought we had a back and forth about this the other day, Rico. The theory is that Boomslang is a btsc checker. Hence him requesting we lynch LC directly after town learned that the civ btsc team was dead. Furthermore, on Days 4 and 5 he voted Tranq first, before anyone else. After the flip, he says "I done messed up". I believe on Night 3 Boom checked Tranq and got a positive btsc check. I believe on Night 4 or 5, he checked LC and got the same.
Oh ok. That would still make Boomslang the worst guy at his job ever. So he acknowledged messing up with Tranq and then proceeded to do the same with LC? Sounds incredibly derpy.

You skipped explaining a second thing, though.

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote: I'm amazed that he's tied for first right now, and technically, w/o MM's vote, he's ahead!
Please explain.

M'bad. Before MM switched his vote, he had his vote on himself, making him and Boom tied in the poll. And as I said, "w/o MM's vote (on himself)", Boomslang is ahead in the lynch poll.

Fixed***

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:
3) What theory? I thought we had a back and forth about this the other day, Rico. The theory is that Boomslang is a btsc checker. Hence him requesting we lynch LC directly after town learned that the civ btsc team was dead. Furthermore, on Days 4 and 5 he voted Tranq first, before anyone else. After the flip, he says "I done messed up". I believe on Night 3 Boom checked Tranq and got a positive btsc check. I believe on Night 4 or 5, he checked LC and got the same.
Oh ok. That would still make Boomslang the worst guy at his job ever. So he acknowledged messing up with Tranq and then proceeded to do the same with LC? Sounds incredibly derpy.

You skipped explaining a second thing, though.

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote: I'm amazed that he's tied for first right now, and technically, w/o MM's vote, he's ahead!
M'bad. Before MM switched his vote, he had his vote on himself, making him and Boom tied in the poll. And as I said, "w/o MM's vote (on himself)", Boomslang is ahead in the lynch poll.

Please explain.

Yes, I do. He questioned you for several phases, even voted for you once (though later switched to Tranq). In addition the quote of his I keep posting.

Dom NEVER bought that you were neutral. His words.

Linki - FZ, at this point, I think Boom is trying to balance not getting lynched or NK'd. I don't think he wants to outright agree with the theory that he's a btsc checker. But hey, as long as he has heat on him, the baddies won't kill him. I just hope we don't lynch him either.

This is kind of frustrating, arguing for Dom and yet being suspected because of him at the same time, but whatevs, here we go...

1) Dom did not check me. I know this because I am civ, and he wouldn't have made suss faces at me if he had. He may have thought I couldn't be trusted, but that's as far as it went, I guarantee you. FYI, Dom rarely trusts me. In AWR, he didn't even want to tell me how to save him because he didn't trust me (yup I was civ). He also never voted for me, not once, as far as I can tell. He did vote for MM though, even though I believe he later switched it to Tranq that day.

2) I disagree with Rico's analysis which equate to looking at me, but I do fully agree that anyone who questions whether Dom got an alignment check with the role check...suss as fuck. He seemed to be "punished" with his role power, so to not have an alignment check go with that...I sincerely doubt it.

3) What theory? I thought we had a back and forth about this the other day, Rico. The theory is that Boomslang is a btsc checker. Hence him requesting we lynch LC directly after town learned that the civ btsc team was dead. Furthermore, on Days 4 and 5 he voted Tranq first, before anyone else. After the flip, he says "I done messed up". I believe on Night 3 Boom checked Tranq and got a positive btsc check. I believe on Night 4 or 5, he checked LC and got the same.

It's also incredibly frustrating that the only player who seems to agree that this might be true is MM, whom I believe we should definitely lynch next.

Again, I'd like to post this in case anyone forgets...

Dom wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I never bought the narrative that Marsh is *neutral*. I suggest you all find your receipts and head to the nearest customer service desk.

Draconus wrote:
Matt wrote:Mac and Drac (ha!) - Why are you voting Boomslang?

After looking through his ISO again, I firmly believe my theory is correct. On Days 4 and 5, Boom goes after Tranq, votes him first both days, and when Tranq dies, Boom says "I done messed up".
Why does Boom keep messing up?

What is your opinion of MM and the Dom quote I posted just above, Drac?

Yo Marmot

Dom wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I never bought the narrative that Marsh is *neutral*. I suggest you all find your receipts and head to the nearest customer service desk.

Let's assume any other player's name was there besides "Marsh", and we find out Dom is a rolechecker. What would be your reaction to this post?

Mac and Drac (ha!) - Why are you voting Boomslang?

After looking through his ISO again, I firmly believe my theory is correct. On Days 4 and 5, Boom goes after Tranq, votes him first both days, and when Tranq dies, Boom says "I done messed up".

I'm amazed that he's tied for first right now, and technically, w/o MM's vote, he's ahead!

Just looked at DH since day began...

There are some spots this doesn't happen, but for the most part, he seems to be alternating between posting questions and posting smilies.

Double curse? Derp

RIP Dom.

I understand I was on Dom's suss list, but I'm civvie. I'm not bad, I'm not indy, I'm not neutral, I am civilian. I would like to point out that Dom and I often suss each other regardless of alignment but he did not check me.

That being said, after looking through his ISO, my biggest suspect now is Marsh again. I think it's possible juliets is civvie, too.

Anyway, Dom goes after MM QUITE A BIT, but this quote from Day/Night 6 takes the cake...

Dom wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I never bought the narrative that Marsh is *neutral*. I suggest you all find your receipts and head to the nearest customer service desk.

Marmot

Rico - I agree that Dom's convo's with FZ are interesting, especially that "I've clearly never trusted you", however, it was on Day 6, I think, when Dom lists me, Mac, and MM as his suspects. No FZ on that list.

Dom - Whatevs. Continue to suss him actually, maybe that will save him from a NK if the baddies think I'm right. In fact, if there's a protector out there, protect Boom.

Thanks FZ.

Rico - Considering Boomslang said before LC's flip that he wasn't 100% sure, I don't see how you call that "going all in" ?

Anyway, I realized that my pushing of this theory might actually put Boom in harm's way, so blah. Yeah he's totes bad peeps. Let's lynch him tomorrow. Derp.

Rico - I can't disagree IF Boom turned up mafia that it would look funny on me. However, I really don't think he's bad. I'm genuinely defending the guy here, and I can't believe so many of you refuse to entertain this option ('cept MM).

Dom - So how did you take his posts to mean, then? What do you think he was getting at with what he was saying?

Rico, you went from "not entirely dismissable" to "bullcrap" pretty quick there. I'm starting to wonder if LC is right about you.

Dom - Did you read Boomslang's posts after LC's flip? What did you take them to mean, if not btsc checker?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Matt wrote:Hmm. To everyone who says "Well Boom didn't know if it was civ btsc, so I don't understand why he went so hard after Long Con"...are you all purposely forgetting that Tranq had just died, and we had found out he was Golden's civ btsc buddy? With knowledge that a civ btsc team was dead, don't you think, from Boom's perspective, that it would be highly unlikely there were two civ btsc teams?

FZ - You didn't answer my question. What was up with you trying to link me and Long Con at the last second of his lynch? Had you suspected me prior to that? Just felt super sketchy IMO.
Except Long Con was never part of a "team". He was a civ with the ability to reach out to anyone.

Long Con's role is irrelevant. What I'm saying is, with knowledge that a civ btsc team is dead, if Boom checked Long Con and got a positive on btsc, wouldn't you, if in that position, believe that LC was more then likely bad?

Hmm. To everyone who says "Well Boom didn't know if it was civ btsc, so I don't understand why he went so hard after Long Con"...are you all purposely forgetting that Tranq had just died, and we had found out he was Golden's civ btsc buddy? With knowledge that a civ btsc team was dead, don't you think, from Boom's perspective, that it would be highly unlikely there were two civ btsc teams?

FZ - You didn't answer my question. What was up with you trying to link me and Long Con at the last second of his lynch? Had you suspected me prior to that? Just felt super sketchy IMO.

bea - If you read Boom's statements from that quote you just posted, it seems very obvious to me that he got a positive btsc check on Long Con.

He says "everything was there except for the alignment". He said "not publicly available information that leaned to team interactions".

Am I going mad?

Derp. Probably would've voted Drac* over Long Con.

RIP Long Con

I'm so sorry I missed the vote everyone. I went out with friends earlier thinking I'd be back home by poll time, but we ended up hangin' out for longer then expected. Probably would've voted Boom over Long Con, too, so again, super sorry.

FZ - Do you think I'm bad? I noticed in one of your last posts, you said something to the effect of "Maybe Long Con and Matt cooked up this plan that Boomslang was cursed to save Long Con", and that was pretty out of nowhere.

Boomslang - Ummm if Boom were to be lynched and ended up bad, this might look bad for me haha, but I do want to bring up a possibility...

I believe I've heard of a "btsc checker" role in some games, and for all we know, Boom is that role, checked LC, and got a positive. Boom even said beforehand he wasn't 100%, but he felt good about it. That screams btsc check to me. Does anyone else think this is possible?

Anyway, sorry for missing the vote. Derp.

Mac - lol at your quote, I forgot about that.

I don't necessarily think he thought I was bad, though. Or maybe because I thought he was civ, I thought that he thought I was civ? Derp.

Also, Capt Olimar received clues as to where the Pikmin were hidden. Wasn't Black Rock that role?

LC - Tbh, I was kind of defending Boomslang, not you. It just seemed really weird when he said that, voted, and dipped. Didn't seem natural.

Rico/Sorsha - LC (I think?) and I discussed this, and I think we came to the conclusion that Radical Fuzz was definitely one of his checks, due to Fuzz being top green on his list directly after one of the night phases.

Is anyone searching for Pikmin? I searched for about 5 minutes the other day, and felt like it was trying to find a needle in a haystack. Derp. Maybe if the town got clues like Black Rock did?

Question for anyone who plays a lot with Blooper - Is she typically a rule breaker? Weird question, I know, please bare with me, and answer whether she is known to break/bend rules.

Linki - 3J didn't scum read me. I'm pretty sure he had me as neutral or civ. I also think LC is civ, which is why I don't understand why he seemed to defend you the other night by flipping the Lorab question back at me.

Mac, who do you think is bad this game? Besides me, of course.

RIP 3J.

Mac - Wow. "In honor of Jimmy", you vote for me? I had nothing to do with 3J's death, and I'd like to know why you think I did. Also, I just realized you disappeared the other night when we were having a back and forth about Lorab, and then LC came to your defense.

LC/Mac - Where do you stand on one another? I realize Dom just asked LC the same question and LC "answered"...LC, do you think Mac is good, bad, or indy? At first, I felt Mac was just being his jokey self, but it's been non stop this game. All about ties, he's literally not even trying to find baddies. Not at all like the Mac I saw in Dune or Star Wars.

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Long Con is bad, and you have to trust me on this. I've made some bad calls this game, but this one is different.
Long Con isn't bad, and you have to trust me on this. I've made some bad calls this game, but this one is different as well.
But what's Boomslang's angle here?

Boomslang's post and fly by vote is not anything I saw him try as a baddie partner in Pet Sounds. Honestly, I feel like he was cursed to say that, and then dip. Just what I'm thinkin' though, if he comes back and posts, then derp.

bea wrote:@ matt - well...looks like at the very least, fz wasn't lying - she isn't golden's bts partner. That said, she still reads pretty civ to me.

Yo bea!

I didn't say she was lying, though, just wondering aloud because I was for sure one of them was Goldie's partner. None of them claimed to be, but up until Marmot declared himself indy, I don't think any of them told me I was wrong, either.

RIP Tranq

If Tranq was Gold's friend
not 3J, FZ, Marmot
maybe Long Con's right

Dom - Little tipsy, friend?

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: FZ. - civ
JaggedJimmyJay - bad

I generally disagree with most of these. Red ones are ones I disagree. Green are agree. Gold neutral.

Quote is snipped, fyi.

Anyway, I disagree with this. If Metalmarsh is neutral, and FZ and 3J are both bad, then why did Golden throw a fit over the 4 way tie? Do you believe his Monopoly buddy is someone else?

3J - Did Sorsha ever answer you (or did someone else question her on this?) about why she called you civ but then voted you today? Wow, I'm pretty sure that's what happened but I'm tired soooo, if I'm mistaken, ignore this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh no
Oh come now, why do you think I tried so hard to stop your lynch on Day 1?

Linki: what do you mean it's not a good strategy Matt? Are you suggesting that I'm lying?

Whether you're lying or not. Typically I'd say claiming indy is a bad thing because you'd most likely get lynched anyway. Despite how many teams there are, I think we can agree that at the very least, there are 5 - 6 more baddies out there. Out of what, 17 players? By claiming indy, you're saying "Yeah I'm not civ, but shouldn't you be looking elsewhere town?".

Btw, I saw on your g2h, you listed Sorsha as civvie. Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Matt wrote:Um, don't call my vote useless?

Tell me how that makes my vote useless.

I like LC this game, and I believe he's civvie, and though I think the case against you has merit, I feel like I've been witnessing 3J from TH all over again. Earlier on, I g2H you bad because you didn't really seem to give a fuck, which seemed incredibly unlike you. But then you explained Mafia fatigue, moving to another continent, etc etc. Later on in the game, you've been reminding me of TH 3J. Close to lynches, surviving, getting crazy with the ISO's, I just feel like it's civ 3J. My only other game I played with you was TH, so that's all I've got to go by, but my gut tells me you're good.

Separately, serious bullshitter, I am more invested in seeing MM dead then you, as I've been sussing him all game. I wouldn't call that "sparing your life", so please stop twisting.
Perhaps it isn't. I see your vote in isolation and I don't see much discussion happening about Sorsha, and that's the observation I render. However, I've looked at your posts and there is more recent focus on Sorsha than I'd thought. So that's neat. Do you think she bussed LoRab thoroughly from Day 1 onwards?

Your perspective of me is very understandable.

I've no intention to twist. Only to accuse and assess.

That's a good question. If it's true it's the other way around, and Lorab DOESN'T like to be bussed by teammates, then I suppose I'll have to take that into consideration. At the same time, though, I have no idea if there is one team, two teams, even *gasp* three teams! So IMO, it's not out of the realm of possibility to consider that both can be bad, on separate teams.

Also, I apologize for trippin' on you. Just woke up, saw that, and tbh 3J, I get kind of annoyed how game after game, I bring people up, and it gets completely ignored. I mean, right IN THIS GAME, I was like "yo peeps, let's get MM. Fo sho!" Nobody agreed. Now, this morning I see you accusing me of being bad if MM turns up good?! Like, I dunno man, it felt really weird that you said that.

MM - So you're claiming neutral now? Derp. Typically I wouldn't think that's a good strategy, but with only two Mafia dead, I dunno. What do you think of Sorsha? And please, this time don't just say "I have no opinion of Sorsha".

Linki - Thanks for callin' me civ, MM.

(but if you do get lynched and end up bad, eff you haha)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Calm down.

MM has been named as a key suspect by quite a few people and entering this phase his lynch was more than a decent possibility. Talk of lynching Sorsha has not been nearly as substantive or quantitative.

What do you think of a JaggedJimmyJay lynch independent of a Metalmarsh lynch? What do you think of the notion that I am the revealed Kubrick role?

Separately, if I am a serious bullshitter then why are you offering to spare my life?

Um, don't call my vote useless?

Tell me how that makes my vote useless.

I like LC this game, and I believe he's civvie, and though I think the case against you has merit, I feel like I've been witnessing 3J from TH all over again. Earlier on, I g2H you bad because you didn't really seem to give a fuck, which seemed incredibly unlike you. But then you explained Mafia fatigue, moving to another continent, etc etc. Later on in the game, you've been reminding me of TH 3J. Close to lynches, surviving, getting crazy with the ISO's, I just feel like it's civ 3J. My only other game I played with you was TH, so that's all I've got to go by, but my gut tells me you're good.

Separately, serious bullshitter, I am more invested in seeing MM dead then you, as I've been sussing him all game. I wouldn't call that "sparing your life", so please stop twisting.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I also note Mac and Matt have placed useless flier votes on people who simply will not be lynched. Matt's vote especially pings me, because he has failed to involve himself in the discussion of my case in any meaningful way -- he's just watched it progress. That's what baddies do when a trainwreck is on the horizon. No need to take part, just let the townies kill each other and hang out on a safe vote. Mac's vote is for Matt, so I dislike it less.

3J - You are a serious bullshitter. My vote for Sorsha came directly after your vote for MM (jj vote for MM - 11th vote, Matt vote for Sorsha - 12th vote), and at the time, both had one vote a piece. So how can you say that my vote for Sorsha is "useless". I brought up a case on Sorsha, two separate cases actually (one that links her to MM, and one specifically calling her out for skimming for her name, which I don't think a civ Sorsha does).

Let me ask you. Do you think MM is bad? If you don't, then don't vote for him. But DO NOT say "I think MM is bad, but if he turns out good, then BAM, Matt was watching us kill each other." Eff that.

For the record, I am VERY happy with an MM lynch (remember me getting ignored going after MM early on in the game, so then I moved on?). Anyway, I don't work until about an hour before the lynch ends. If at the time, there are no votes on Sorsha still, I would gladly see MM lynched over you, so if I have to switch to him before work, I will.

Seriously, though? My vote is "useless" despite at the time, both MM and Sorsha having one vote a piece? King of Fuck Mountain, indeed.

Dom wrote:
Matt wrote:
Dom wrote:Matt since you're scolding people for not answering you-- wanna answer my query?
Sorry dude, I saw your question but forgot about it when answering Sorsha/Mac.

AWR took place after Talking Heads. Why do you ask?
Then how do you justify yourself "taking a break" from being aggressive because Talking Heads was so exhausting when you were VERY aggressive in AWR.

No, I think you're remembering it wrong because I was very aggressive...but it was towards you. That was also different, because I very strongly felt like you lied to me in our BTSC.

If you recall, I also commented greatly on Turnip/MM that game. I believed they were bad together (was wrong on that front, though). But even so, I was "quiet" about it. I simply took turns voting one of them, barely saying a word other then "who wants to vote Turnip or MM with me? derp". In retrospect, I should've whined and hollered about it, but again, I was being reserved after Talking Heads.

But yeah, you're right. Towards my endgame, when I received my Hero Quest, and I was getting sussed hard, yes I was very aggressive towards YOU because as I said, I felt strongly that you were lying.

Dom wrote:Matt since you're scolding people for not answering you-- wanna answer my query?

Sorry dude, I saw your question but forgot about it when answering Sorsha/Mac.

AWR took place after Talking Heads. Why do you ask?

Long Con wrote:On one hand, Macdougall's possible vacillation on whether Lorab was bad or not can be viewed as a teammate who doesn't want to make a hard call either way.

On the other hand, Matt, your questions to Mac in those posts could be viewed as you being Lorab's teammate, knowing she was bad, and setting up Mac for a fall later if he answers wrong about her.

Hmm. I didn't consider that. Derp.

Well, this is all pretty much wifom, but a few things...

a) If bad with Lorab, I wouldn't have been so openly annoyed with people bein' weird about Lorab's twirl. Woulda stayed out of it completely OR jumped on her for it.

b) If correct, I recall someone saying in this game that Lorab typically helps teammates instead of bussing them? Lorab tried to paint me as bad early in the game and even voted for me once or twice, I think.

LC - What do you think about Sorsha? Does a civ Sorsha skim for her name only?

Matt wrote:Btw I just read the last page of your ISO and apparently you no longer find Lorab suspicious. So you disagree with Epig about Lorab then?

MacDougall wrote:Again with a segue into a question, and a loaded one at that.

You mean you notice the post I actually answered you in? The post I commented on Lorab was the one I replied to you in Matt.

And you literally just said you saw that I am not sure about Lorab anymore so to ask me whether I disagree with Epi and Lorab is straight up trying to create conflict. You are bad and you have earned my vote.

Matt wrote:Mac, no, I'm not trying to create conflict. I have reason to believe Epig is a big bad and I wanted your thoughts on him. Which I'm not sure I even got, you pretty much just kept turning it back on me, I see. Just to be clear, though, you no longer suspect Lorab?

You never answered.

Of course, you went from suspecting Lorab to not suspecting Lorab to "not being sure" about Lorab, so I see why it might've been hard for ya.

Linki - Lol @ Mr Fishburne

Sorsha wrote:I'm not trying to pick a fight I'm trying to get you to state plainly what you mean and to address a question directly. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Nah. You clearly demonstrated that you're just skimming the thread for your name, otherwise, it's whatevs for you. Why did you ask me to answer you when I had just answered the question towards bea? Answer: You didn't read my post. I don't think civ Sorsha would just be skimming posts for her name. If anyone would like to tell me I'm wrong, okey dokey, but I doubt it.

MacD - Earlier in the game, I had asked you to clarify your thoughts on Lorab and you refused to do so. Good to know.

Sorsha wrote:I would still expect you to address my post Matt, when I look for an answer to my question to you I am looking for my quote or "@Sorsha" in your post. Not an address to bea.

I feel like this is you trying to pick a fight, so we'll end it here.

Also, Sorsha.

Sorsha wrote:
Matt wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also Matt, I have mentioned you once all game, and that was commenting on your Day 1 case against me.

I don't understand how you've reached the conclusion that I've been talking about you and want to lynch you today.
Hmmm.

The evil eye smiley was an indicator that you were trying to set me up, but if you're being honest about that being an accident...

What do you think of Sorsha? I'm not calling you bad for this, btw, but...

Do you really think that Sorsha "noticed the same thing" I did about your "which team" comment, but decided it was not enough to pursue you on Day one?

I truly believe Sorsha was being opportunistic going after me, especially after bea started talking about my "quietness". I'm pretty sure Sorsha and her team got me lynched in AWR, also for not being "confrontational" enough or whatever. I remember people talking about that silly items list and how "Oh Matt would've brought up the Obsidian Dagger waaaaaay before if he were good".

Anyway, thoughts on Sorsha?
I really don't think that someone assuming that there are 2 baddie teams in a 30 player game is very suspicious lol so no... That's not something I would pursue someone on.

Me "pursuing" you (and Dom) today has 100% to do with the fact that you both came into the thread today asking specific people their thoughts on me specifically and I want to know why. Because to ME it sounds like the two of you have been discussing me in btsc.

I asked both of you about this an neither of you have answered me either.

You're right, I didn't answer you specifically, but I did answer bea...? You reading my posts, Sorsha?

Matt wrote:bea, the reason I asked you about BR/Sorsha...

bea wrote:I would like to hear more from LC regarding everyone else. For me, personally, his lazor focus on JJ is either a) he's that convinced he's right or b) baddie tactic.

So he could either be like Sorsha and BR was regarding Lorab -

Or like lorab was in being super not happy about almost being lynched and then never answering any of my questions hoping it would all blow under the table.
Per the underline, you seem to assert that they're civvies. Or actually, now that I'm looking at it a bit closer, I suppose all you're asserting is that they were "convinced they were right". Anyway, that's why I asked.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also Matt, I have mentioned you once all game, and that was commenting on your Day 1 case against me.

I don't understand how you've reached the conclusion that I've been talking about you and want to lynch you today.

Hmmm.

The evil eye smiley was an indicator that you were trying to set me up, but if you're being honest about that being an accident...

What do you think of Sorsha? I'm not calling you bad for this, btw, but...

Do you really think that Sorsha "noticed the same thing" I did about your "which team" comment, but decided it was not enough to pursue you on Day one?

I truly believe Sorsha was being opportunistic going after me, especially after bea started talking about my "quietness". I'm pretty sure Sorsha and her team got me lynched in AWR, also for not being "confrontational" enough or whatever. I remember people talking about that silly items list and how "Oh Matt would've brought up the Obsidian Dagger waaaaaay before if he were good".

Anyway, thoughts on Sorsha?

bea, the reason I asked you about BR/Sorsha...

bea wrote:I would like to hear more from LC regarding everyone else. For me, personally, his lazor focus on JJ is either a) he's that convinced he's right or b) baddie tactic.

So he could either be like Sorsha and BR was regarding Lorab -

Or like lorab was in being super not happy about almost being lynched and then never answering any of my questions hoping it would all blow under the table.

Per the underline, you seem to assert that they're civvies. Or actually, now that I'm looking at it a bit closer, I suppose all you're asserting is that they were "convinced they were right". Anyway, that's why I asked.

I see peeps are looking at MM...good, because after seeing 3J's case and seeing Sorsha come at me for not being "aggressive" enough...check this out...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:And to add, Matt did propose the same case that you did, that I slipped, and must be mafia. But he took a pretty hesitant approach to it. The Matt I remember from Talking Heads would have dogged me all day and all game over something like that.

Now what did Sorsha say again?

Sorsha wrote:Maybe he has a team helping to reign in his aggressiveness this game?

I don't know if "aggressiveness" is the right word for it. His "Matt-ness" maybe?

Knowing I'm civvie, alarm bells are ringing right now. Even though Marmot made his comment days and days ago, it feels like they've been talking about how I've been "less aggressive" in chat, and that's how they can get an easy lynch out of me.

Fyi, since Talking Heads, I've been "less aggressive" in every game I've played. True story. After Epignosis completely ripped me a new one in that game, then in the following two games MacD proposed a policy lynch on me, I've learned to stfu.

But wait, Matt! You can't possibly just be using that example to link Sorsha and MM, can you? Naaah.

There's more!

At one point, after I accuse MM of being a baddie w/o giving a reason, Sorsha keeps asking me what I'm talking about, and how she super wants to know what my thoughts are...so I say...

Matt wrote:I'm not trying to policy lynch MM.

Anyway, it's not much, but this caught my eye...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Ricochet wrote:LoRab and llama have not butted heads over who is the better writer and poster.

confirmed fishy
I think I'm cool with lynching llama first. I hope I don't forget by the time I have to vote.
Which team do you think he is on?
This is a closed set up, and though there are most likely two teams of baddies, I think there's also a possibility that there is a big team of 7 or 8 like there was in Talking Heads.

But Marmot automatically assumes two teams.

Then Sorsha replies...

Sorsha wrote:@Matt- that was the same thing I noticed about MM but I'm not convinced that assuming there is more than one baddie team in a 30 player game is enough to convince me he's guilty.

Orly?

That's the same thing you noticed, eh?

Anyway, I'm down with an MM lynch. And if he's bad, look at Sorsha. Hell, if he ain't bad, look at Sorsha. She's bein' tricksy. Did she vote for Lorab the day Lorab was actually lynched? I don't recall.

Oh, btw, right before Sorsha starts chattin' away on how I've been less aggressive, what did MM post out of nowhere earlier this phase?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Matt wrote:RIH LLama.

FZ - I was thinking that you were most likely Golden's Monopoly play buddy. But if that were true, then why the never ending defense of 3J? I don't think I've played with a civ LC since I came back for Mafia, but he seems pretty legit to me in this game. I think it's odd that he's simply asking people to talk about his case, and now people are calling him bad.

bea - Do you believe Sorsha/BR to be good this game?

Voting for Dolphin Army
Boom diggity.

Sweet. So MM, you and Sorsha decided today was the day to go all in on me, huh?

RIH LLama.

FZ - I was thinking that you were most likely Golden's Monopoly play buddy. But if that were true, then why the never ending defense of 3J? I don't think I've played with a civ LC since I came back for Mafia, but he seems pretty legit to me in this game. I think it's odd that he's simply asking people to talk about his case, and now people are calling him bad.

bea - Do you believe Sorsha/BR to be good this game?

Voting for Dolphin Army

Oh snap. Does that mean Lorab controlled the verdict on the Night 2 poll to pick her own position for Day/Night 3? So maybe there shouldn't be a question curser today.

I still think it's odd that Boomslang, of all people, kind of took a poke at my "Super Secret Theory", but I suppose I'll chalk that up to coincidence.

If Wilgy, bea, and motel all post today with statements in their posts, I'm moving my vote back to Boomslang.

Holy crap!

So the Night 2 poll, position 5 won again. Therefore the position for Day/Night 3 would've been 5 again, thus someone should be cursed with questions today, on Day 4, right?

Maybe my theory is still intact! Too bad I had to mention it before the last three non-posters posted, though.

Cool shit, Rico, thanks. That worked!

Who knows how many incorrect polls I've been looking at since I came back for Talking Heads?

So, on the Night 1 poll, option 5 won thus position 5 would've been used on Day/Night 2 against Boomslang for Day 3.0 if the question curse is a position power. Have we had any other position 5 day/nights?

I'm confused. Help me out here, Rico.

Day 3.0 was when Boomslang was question cursed, correct? So he would've had to have been cursed on Night 2, and the position on Night 2 would've depended on the poll for Night 1, correct?

Argh. I don't even know if what I'm saying makes sense.

Also, does anyone know why the complete polls might not be showing up for me? Cuz really, I frequently look at polls in games and I'd like to fix this lol.

Linki - That's weird. And Lol @ me voting Thelma and Louise.

That's kind of messed up.

For Simon and Gar, I have MM, DH, Boom, BR, Llama, and Niju

For Thelma and Louise, I have Golden, Mac, Dom, Epig, Juliets, and 3J.

Who am I missing? And why doesn't it show everyone if I'm missing people???

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:Holy crap, I think my theory is full of it. Just looked over the polls, and I didn't realize there was a tie in the last Night poll, so we have no idea which won.
I'm seeing position 4 getting 8 votes to position 5 getting 7 votes, unless I need to clean my eyesockets.

Uh really? I'm seeing them both get 6 votes. Is it possible the entire poll isn't showing up on my screen?

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