The Syndicate

Yo peeps. Gotta get to work, let's get this farce of a day phase over with...

Votes Indiglo

If I'm dead when I return, I will miss all of you and apologies to 3J for not returning the favor yo.

Peace

DrumBeats wrote:@ Matt - What is your current stance on Scotty? Do you think SVS was a civ or mafia? What are your top three scum reads?

1. Scotty.

Well, I can understand his frustration with everyone calling us scum buddies (even I said it haha) since we're not, but other then that, I dunno. I still think my suss of him and FS was valid, considering SVS was in the thread at the time I was asking her questions, but whatevs.

Also, Drummy, you were wrong on BWT. You were...potentially...wrong on SVS. I know you're wrong on me. Sooo since you suss Scotty, that leaves me inclined to lean civ on him.

2. SVS

Unless we see her resurrected, I'm going to assume she was civvie. If she were to be resurrected, it doesn't mean she's auto bad either, but if the baddies have some kind of rezz thing, then I can totally see a team nuking one of their own only to revive them later. But for now, civvie.

3. Top Scum Reads

Hmmm

1. INH
2. Splintsy
3. Turnips.

Turnip, have you ever hosted me in a game outside of GoC? I could be wrong, but I was a baddie in that game and as a baddie with teammates, I don't often PM my hosts all that much, so earlier when you said "In my experience hosting him, he would usually PM the host with such a question", I wanted to know where you came up wit dat.

But it's true, tho, I usually do PM my hosts lots and lots, but I want to know what other game(s) Turnips has hosted me in where he came up with such a conclusion.

Also Drummy, thanks bro, I bet I got blocked last night cuz of you. Killin' da town, man, killin' da town.

Caught up. Goin' to work soon but if you have any questions for me let me know and I'll get back to you tonight.

RIP SVS.

Lol @ Drumbeats

@ Scumbuddy Scotty

Lulz. Scotty voted Christmas too. More ammo for DB's baseless accusations I suppose.

Linki - 3J, ummm yes. That's actually a very important question, IMO, in my particular case. See ya later!

Off to work, but I need to vote in the night poll.

Gotta love dat Christmas!

Peace out, good luck tonight town!

@DOM, right now it says "Night 3.1". Does that mean the next night phase will be "Night 3.2" or will it be "Night 4" ? Thanks!

Linki - Ummmm k lol

See ya later town!

Lol. I see the irony btw of me sticking up for SVS against very new and recent accusations that I should give her time to answer herself.

-1 to Matt

Like, can no one else think that maybe SVS put in her vote, and there was a baddie around who ended the day early just to set up SVS in case Quin came back good?

Has that crossed no one's mind? Deerp.

Does anyone else want to give SVS the benefit of the doubt here? I mean, you don't think she'd be a little more subtle about outright killing a civilian?

Wait, Holly as in Michael's Holly?

I would say she was civ then, right? Deeerp. Nevermind, especially after what happened in Battlestar re: Boomer haha.

Lol oh brother, I just gave Quin a +1 too.

Still let's get Scotty first.

RIP Elo/leetic

+1 on Quin...maybe. Haha.

Scotty wrote:Hey Matt, question for you: you still suspect FS and I for our "defending" of SVS on Day 0. Does that mean you suspect SVS? You never answered this when I asked you like Night 1.
And do you have any other suspicions besides us?

I'm not really sure who I suspect. I've been pretty busy this week.

I'm starting to like you a bit more, but I wonder if that's only because I know you're genuinely frustrated with being linked to me as a baddie partner. Tho that part is genuine, you could still be bad.

K but let's lynch Scotty first so when I flip civ, you don't get to say "Oh well guess not, Scotty must be good to go"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt wrote:You think there's anything there or he was just happy the game started and wanted to post anything, even if it was nothing?

I don't think that's particularly important, no. If you suspect Scotty and desire to lynch him on Day 3, I have to imagine there's something more substantial than this that drives you.

Oh there definitely is, I've already posted about it a few times. That was just an added bonus.

@DB - Lol @ "semantics". Using the phrase "Matt said he'd likely vote Goldy" to support your argument against me is very different than what I had actually done, which was just think about voting him based on an off the wall theory I had.

To answer your questions...

1) Again it was just a thought. At the time, others were looking at Scotty's way so I thought it might be a neat preemptive move to vote for a teamie while you're getting sussed, in case you get lynched later.

2) I don't necessarily suss FS over Scotty. I keep going back and forth on those two. Like today, I'd like to invest in a Scotty lynch.

Anyway, I didn't try to discredit your argument, I did discredit it based on your false information. Blah.

Linki - I guess I'd respond with "Please don't mislynch another townie, instead let's go with one of my susses?" Derp

Well I was gonna bring this up the other day, but it really means nothing haha.

I noticed, tho, that in 2 of Scotty's first 5 posts, he really does nothing but reference other games. And I dunno why he'd do that unless he was nervous and didn't know what to post.

Second post

Scotty wrote:Oh man, a completely closed setup, and no player list to boot? Waiting for some random dog named after the Moon to start voting in the poll.

Fifth post

Scotty wrote:Just in case:

Resurrection Ship

You never know!

You think there's anything there or he was just happy the game started and wanted to post anything, even if it was nothing?

RIP Bwt

Lol, when town mislynches Bwt early for the umpteenth time, I suddenly feel a bit better about my play.

Let's go after Scotty next day phase.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt wrote:Welcome Espers and 3J! Especially 3J, my knight in shining armor!

Hi Matt.

I don't mind indirectly defending you if that's the product of suspecting someone else. But understand that this is an investment for me in you. Please ensure I see a return on that investment. A number of people in this game either suspect you or have otherwise disparaged your methods. Use that as motivation and show me the goods. Get 'em.

Lol. I'll try my best. Not to say I'm ever good at this wonderful game of Mafia, but Battlestar I was downright absolute horrific, so now I'm questioning myself at every turn.

Do you think Drum outright lied about his story on me, per "he said he'd likely vote for Goldy" (which I never said), or do you think he was just mistaken?

Lol. So I had a few windows open, and the following was supposed to be in the previous post...DEEERP...

***

RIP Wilgy
RIPifywg Rabbit

Bye Goldy and Bullz...oh Bullz...

Welcome Espers and 3J! Especially 3J, my knight in shining armor!

Sorry town (and Dom) for not voting in the night poll, that's lame, it won't happen again.

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DrumBeats wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Matt is my number one suspect. He named two suspects but clung to fingersplints. I say he and Scotty are teammates.

I missed this one when it happened but just saw your quote on it. I agree that the two could be teammates, based on Matt's initial roundabout suspicion of Scotty. After the Goldy vote, Matt agreed with my opinion on Scotty's vote being off, conjectured that it could be because Scotty and Goldy were scumbuddies, and said he'd likely vote Goldy. Though he eventually voted for Scotty, it was only after I questioned this statement.

Per the underline, that is entirely false. You are lying. Why are you lying?

The story you are presenting is a lie to make me look totes bad here. "Though he eventually voted for Scotty cuz I called his ass out" lol nah bro. I'm pretty sure a baddie me would've seen you doubt my intentions with the Goldy thing, and I would've just pushed forward even more. IMO. But who really knows until you're in the scenario?

Question 2 (the first question was "Why are you lying?") - If I had gone ahead and voted for Goldy, how would you view me as opposed to the way you do now? Would you still see me as bad?

I'm asking because I feel like, no matter who I had voted for, you would have a reason to push me as bad and so I'm in a lose lose with you either way which I don't like.

@INH - Nah my feelings weren't hurt. You're simply the latest in a string of folks I've had to deal with who extremely dislike my playstyle, which is fair, because I'm really bad at this game haha. But still, I see no purpose in going on about it the way you did. I'd like to think you're civ because you sound genuine in your critique of me, but as I've stated before, Eloh and I played out a very similar scenario in Transistor and she ended up being bad.

Going to drop a prelim vote on Splintsy based on my suss of her Day 0, but not sure if it will stay there.

@DB - Just a thought, that's all.

I'd have liked to wait until closer to deadline, but I have to vote now.

Scotty

With changeable votes, who knows how this will play out but I won't be back till after lynch. Good luck town! If I end up gettin' the boot, don't trust anything I've said I really have no idea what's going on haha.

I'm wondering if I should vote for Goldy out of left field.

I do think Scotty's bad and if I think he's bad, then I think it's possible he would vote for his own no show teammate just cuz he knows nobody would follow him (I base this on other games where Scotty votes for a low poster Day 1 and they never get lynched).

Hrm.

Anyway, have to go for a bit but I'll be back by deadline.

S~V~S wrote: mis read the poll.

Why not vote Quin, if you thought that?

I've been accused several times of being all over the place in games, which is very true I do it often, and I already have three susses to openly contend with, I figured I'd keep that one on the DL.

But yeah, throw Quin on my suss list as well.

S~V~S wrote:Wait, Matt, I see yo already DID vote for Quin. Why are you considering changing it?

Quin voted for me. Cuz I dunno why.

Scotty wrote:+10 points to Gryffindor!

Matt, you're the only one throwing around suspicions, and we're not even into Day 1 yet

I still don't understand what this means from your pov or why it was said. Later on, you go on to "correct" someone who accused you of sussing me, and yet this post shows you sussing me...I think. Again I'm not sure what the point was to this post.

Hrm.

Linki - Lol SVS I was actually thinking the same thing when he gave those three example detect sentences...like wut?

My heart says vote FS, my brain says Scotty. Both of them are probably wrong LOL

@DB - I've already explained the difference, ISO me for the answer. At the same time, tho, I certainly don't clear sig or Wilgy for coming to my defense either.

@INH - Well I'd rather throw out random accusations and get things going instead of just sitting around twiddling my thumbs. But k, agree to disagree.

@SVS - The intention, at least from my end, is never to "be mean".

I was looking forward to coming in here and putting a vote on Splints but Scotty's post where he eggs me on about Wilgy defending me and then goes on to vote Goldy after sussing me for several days...hrm. I think that's weird and I don't like it.

Epi - If you were forced to vote for Scotty or FS who would you vote for?

Epignosis wrote:

Matt wrote:Do you still think I'm bad Epi?

I was just saying that to see what reactions I could get.

Lol.

What's with everyone being anti-reaction baiting btw? It's DAY ONE (and ZERO) peeps, what else should we be doing? "Hey guys what's your favorite ice cream flavor?"

I'll start off with that question next game, see if that helps as an alternative.

Anyway gettin' some food with the roommates, I'll be back in an hour or two folks.

Epignosis wrote:I was just about to speculate, Matt, that you were somehow silenced after Day 0. Glad to see that isn't the case. DrWilgy and sig both spoke in your defense. Why do you think they would do that this early?

Not sure on sig, I don't think he typically defends me, in fact the opposite.

Dr Wilgy has more experience with me, so I'd like to think he can legit see my civvieness or Wilgy's just bad and not jumping on the easy mark cuz Wilgy's cool like that.

Do you still think I'm bad Epi?

Hey what up peeps. As usual, Thursday through Monday are my busy days, sorry I haven't been around. But good news, I managed to give away my shift today WOOT!

Scotty wrote:-Where is Matt? People have been answering for him, which he has expressly said he doesn't like other people doing for other people.

No. I've already said this in the thread, multiple times, but let me be clear again. SVS was clearly present in the thread when I asked her a question, and instead of holding back for a few minutes to let her answer, you and FS rushed to her defense. This is different than me (or anyone!) being away from the thread for hours, or days, and having people "speak for me". But go on and twist, making it seem like the same exact thing. Before giving away my shift, I thought I would just come in here and plop a vote down for FS but noooow I dunno, I don't like you misrepresenting.

insertnamehere wrote:I honestly hate this style of posturing, fake accusations, and saying random ass bullshit in the hopes of getting a mythical, legendary "accurate scum reaction." Which 9 times out of 10, proves to be dead wrong.

Also, scum love to do this style of playing, and it's honestly something I'll mark down as suspicious.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just an old relic of the times where cases were made on, you know, facts and shit, and not from people reading into reactions that other people had to whatever BS they decided to spout. Maybe this style of playing is the future. Who knows.

Lulz, look everyone, INH isn't judging again.

I'm either voting for FS, Scotty, or INH today. Probably not INH, because I find his non-judgmental attitude towards certain playstyles to be believable, so I lean civvie. Then again, Eloh had nearly the same reaction in Transistor and she turned up bad so who knows.

Scotty I'm surprised you didn't vote for me tbh. Do you think others should?

OH SNAP I forgot to inforrm you good peeps that I was right in my randomness BLOOPS WAS THE PROCESS hahahaha.

So you kow what, all you "How dare you randomize sussers on day one" peeps? Sometimes it isn't a bad thing

Omg I'm so faded rigght noow my friends, but I'm going to reply anyway...

LISTEN.

haha.

So in a recent game by the name of Transistor, I did a similar maneuver at the beginning of the game, I called out niju/Bloops for being the PROCESS and was met with the same criticisms and defenses I've been seeing here.

"Oh snap, why just randomize susses on Day Zero/Day One HOW DARE YOU?"

Then I had to proceed to tell the towwn, honestly, that I was just effin' around and just wanted to get a reaction. Unfortunately, I had to lay this out before niju/BLOOPS even had a chance to respond and when she did, she aleready knew I was effin' aroun d so it was no thin gfor her.

when I lay out a suss, and TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE rush to the defense of said suss WHEN said suss is clearly visible in the thread and can respond for herself, THAT SHIT IS SUSSPICIIIIIIIIIOUS.

I'm not saying Scotty and FS are both bad, but I'm going to give myself a 50% chance that T LEAST one of the two are bad, and I'm guessing it's SPLINTER.

yup.

insertnamehere wrote:

Matt wrote: @INH - I didn't ignore your argument. You said that I went after FS and Scotty because they found my question suspicious and that's not at all what happened. I sussed them because of their rushed defense of SVS, who IMO, they have no reason to defend this early in the game. Why not just let her answer?

I think their defense of her, which mainly centered on the mechanics of the game, and not actual alignment, is much less strange or out of place than your suspicion of them for it.

Don't tell Scotty you're suss of me, he thinks I'm the only one throwing around suspicions.

Anyway, I disagree. Not saying they are necessarily bad, but I would conclude that it's suspicious to rush to the defense of a player on page 1 of a brand new game when that player is clearly present in the thread and can answer themselves.

Oh, and clearly you don't know my point system well, I would never give Bullz negative points.

Scotty wrote:+10 points to Gryffindor!

Matt, you're the only one throwing around suspicions, and we're not even into Day 1 yet

I don't understand this post or why it exists.

Epignosis wrote:

Matt wrote:For all I know, neither Scotty or FS found my question suspicious, but they did jump to the aid of someone who's alignment they can't possibly know yet without letting SVS answer first. And then FS proceeded to advance her agenda with exaggerations about management and fibs about me misleading people.

Derp.

Lol @ judging then saying it's not for you to judge.

-1 on INH

How do you know that?

I suppose we could assume that Scotty and FS are in league with SVS either by civ or baddie btsc, but if on a team with her either way, I don't see why they would jump to her aid so publicly. So I'm assuming they don't have btsc with her, thus not knowing her role or alignment. So why, when she was clearly present in the thread, not allow her to ask a question posed to her? I didn't like it. Apparently I'm in the minority.

@INH - I didn't ignore your argument. You said that I went after FS and Scotty because they found my question suspicious and that's not at all what happened. I sussed them because of their rushed defense of SVS, who IMO, they have no reason to defend this early in the game. Why not just let her answer?

For all I know, neither Scotty or FS found my question suspicious, but they did jump to the aid of someone who's alignment they can't possibly know yet without letting SVS answer first. And then FS proceeded to advance her agenda with exaggerations about management and fibs about me misleading people.

Derp.

Lol @ judging then saying it's not for you to judge.

-1 on INH

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hello everyone, my name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely not a doctor. I'm analytical 10% of the time and lazy 90% of the time. I like memes and hope that we all have fun playing together. Perhaps no one will lose their life this time.

@Svs, did you really think you'd get a yes or no answer out of that from Dom?

Matt, what do you think of Wilgy asking me this question?

The more I think about it, the more it bothers me.

I suppose if this was back in the day it would be weird of hiim to be sussed by that. I seem to remember in almost every game someone asking the host if anyone had any info on the poll. But come to think of it, in the games I've been playing since I came back last summer, I can't really recall many people asking that question of the hosts on Day 0, so maybe Wilgy just isn't used to it?

As for your question about suspicion...

I don't have a read on you either way, good or bad. And I don't see why Scotty and FS should come in and answer a question for you when you were clearly present in the thread. Why is that suspicious that they did? I dunno, it was initially just a ping for each but then FS posted that list with the additional highlighting of Creed to further her point and it's like "C'mon now", and then her saying I was misleading people, on what I don't know she'll have to come back and let us know.

S~V~S wrote:Answer what? You just said yourself you were not sussing me. It was not a question, just an observation.

Blah. What do you mean answer what? The question I asked!

You were clearly present in the thread when I asked you and I'm wondering why Scotty and FS just didn't wait for you to answer yourself. This isn't a reflection on you, I think it is of them though. How come we're barely 2 pages into the thread and we have two people rushing to someone's defense? Deeerp.

S~V~S wrote:They were joining you in discussing me.

Lol

Good point. I still think they should've allowed you to answer first.

fingersplints wrote:

Matt wrote:-1 to FS for highlighting Creed as a "boss" to somehow justify her point

He was a boss. I even specified one episode. I didn't try to mislead anyone like you are attempting to do.

Please tell me where I've mislead anyone. I asked SVS to explain why she voted Management when the roll list she provided listed Corporate as bad guys.

Linki - SVS, my question towards you was a "Let's get this thing started!" question, I honestly never sussed you at all for it. I did find it curious that Scotty and FS rushed to your defense, and now FS is accusing me of misleading people...??

Hrm.

fingersplints wrote:

Matt wrote:+1 to SVS for ignoring me as a good civvie should do

-1 to FS and Scotty for rushing to her defense w/o letting her answer first.

I'm not defending her. I'm answering theme related questions.

-10 to Matt for trying to dissuade people from voting option for clearly false reasons.

Actually I'm not really against any of the options, just trying to fuel conversation.

-1 to FS for highlighting Creed as a "boss" to somehow justify her point

+1 to SVS for ignoring me as a good civvie should do

-1 to FS and Scotty for rushing to her defense w/o letting her answer first.

SVS - How come you posted a possible role list for this game which shows Corporate as bad guys and then go on to vote for Management in the poll?

S~V~S wrote:Hit submit instead of "full editor"

... generally a Memo is self serving twaddle someone writes & sends to increase the appearance of their own importance. Although Dom has said the list may have changed, I am OK with the basic list from the original game submission thread. Management, on the other hand, has access to most info, although they seldom actually access it or do anything with it.

Well I think Memos are cool so neener neener

Bullzeye wrote:'Sup. Voting for management because why not.

Bullz is here!

I voted Memo cuz reasons.