The Syndicate

bea wrote:

Golden wrote:One other thing I meant to mention...

I feel like the random gods were shining down on me when I randomised the roles.

Rico has a role highlighting pedantry
Long Con gets a grand epic role that allows him to tell a story with it
Vompatti gets a role where his votes count negative, highlighting an appearance of randomness even further (that was before he even then went and got executed for treason!)
Indiglo gets one of her favourite characters
Matt gets a character where he literally cannot be silenced
Jay gets a role where he is the genuine 'leader of the town'.

I can't remember if there were others, but it was pretty neat.

I was not starbuck but I got to be married to her...

For realzies - I was all "the best part of my role is I mary Starbuck." *waves* hi matt!!!

LOL

First to Golden's list...yeah dude I went full force this game because I was like "EFF IT I'm gonna be here the whole time regardless so might as well go FULL MATT on this bitch"...too bad I was wrong on like, everything.

Second...yeah bea, when I saw you flip Anders, I was like "Ahhhh wtf wtf wtf" hahahaha. I'm sorry you didn't like my ruthlessness going after the non-claimers but I was adamant that DEM PEEPS CLAIM hahahaha.

As always, it was a joy to play mafia with you bea

Don't be so modest Sokoth, you protected the Admiral twice!!

Ricochet wrote:What made Starbuck, Lee, Dee and idr, Athena was it, leave Galactica, shortly after Cain's take of command?

I was never notified if I was on Galactica or not, so I have no idea.

@G-man - No hard feelings at all. In fact, you probably would've duped me into going along with whatever if it wasn't for the threat of "watching my back". I just figured that wasn't a civ tell at all but still, you hurt my brain with the wifom hahaha.

@Goldama (or SVS/Gman), was my first message from you guys too? I figured it was. Anyway, here are all the messages I got and any responses I gave to Golden...

Golden wrote:Hey Starbuck. Let's not murder one another. Point out to me who you are with double and I'll do the same.If you can post what your win con is by stating it in pieces every 3rd word of your 3rd post of day 3, I can help you.

My win condition is to see both #8's dead.

Matt wrote:Hrm.

So this person can send messages to actual roles as opposed to players. That would make me think they are of high authority. Adama, Roslin...Cavil.

I don't like this. If this person was civ, and they knew they were messaging Starbuck, why didn't they just reveal who they were in the message? Either their identity or their role or both? Something.

I dunno, I'm not gonna do that third word of the third day thing, but I may use the signal at some point if I feel trustworthy enough.

Sidenote - In Long Con's "World" game, as the Karma Chameleon, I was able to hide myself in every square I went to, choosing to reveal myself if I wanted. But if I did reveal myself, then my NK immunity would go away that night phase.

I only revealed myself once, so I could speak with the Living Statue (Dom). Hahaha.

I dunno what to do Golden, I just don't know!!!

I decided to use the signal and then immediately regretted it haha.

Golden wrote:Thank you, Matt. Thank you.

I have to be careful how much I say because I can only share three pieces of information with these messages. Even then I have to follow certain rules. Hopefully this all gets through uncensored.

1. By posting the lyrics of "All Along the Watchtower," you triggred the awakening of the Final Five. Thank you.

2. We now know who the Final Five are and may search each one to find those who will side with us. Thank you.

3. As a token of thanks, we'd like to make you an offer. Because the survival of the Final Five prior to their awakening was never a guarantee, we have the ability to take a human player and convert them into a brand new model of Cylon upon either their death or at the conclusion of the game. We'd like to offer that spot to you. You're welcome.

If you choose to take us up on this offer, include the phrase 'chaos agent' in one of your early Day 4 posts. Should you accept, you will receive another message on Night 5 with new information and further instructions. Your actions have given us new life and a better chance at winning. In exchange for your ongoing cooperation, you can join us in victory.

You can reject the offer if you like and not post the code phrase. Just know that if you reject us, you'll want to start looking over your shoulder.

Metalmarsh

Matt wrote:This sounds like bullshit hahaha.

Like, what's up with the threat at the end there? I really don't care if I die, that would probably be better for the civs cuz then I can't keep wasting my votes on civs most likely

And if Metalmarsh were on a Final Five, and they teamed up, why would MM agree to be the messenger? Lol he's always bringing up to me how I got him in GoC (I think he did this game even!), so why would he think I would trust him?

I have doubts MM even sent the message.

Despite all of it, even if it is real, Starbuck don't take kindly to threats.

I haven't read the thread since this morning, off to catch up!

Golden wrote:Hello again, Matt.

I don't think I have to tell you just how deeply disappointed we are with you. An act of defiance that is so blatantly public cannot and will not be tolerated. Your activation of the Final Five, however, has proven fruitful for us, so we will let probability decide your fate.

We have a list of players we would like you to vote for. Should you vote for one of these players, we will let you live another day. If you do not vote for one of the players on our list, you will die next.

We are not telling you who is on our list of desired votees but know that your odds of making a correct vote are about 50-50 as it currently stands.

Vote wisely.

Metalmarsh89

Matt wrote:Lol

Wow.

I'm so behind. I in topic'd you, tho, and saw Long Con was Cain. Hahahaha.

I think I have about 20 or so pages to catch up on...

Anyway GREAT GAME Golden. I'm really having a good time with it and thanks for lettin' me play dude!

Golden wrote:You are an exceptionally lucky man, Matt. I want you to know that.

For two days you have voted for acceptable players. Congratulations. Your ongoing displays of dissidence, however, are going to cost you. Or, it could cost someone else. The choice is yours.

Let me spell it out for you clearly. Below are the names of two players. On Day 8, you will vote for one of these two players or we will kill you next. A vote for one of these two players will spare that player from our Night 8 kill.

This means that your Day 8 vote is not a vote to take a life but a vote to spare a life.

Your Day 8 options are:
-insertnamehere
-sig

Remember Matt, you either choose to spare the life of one of these players or you choose your own death. You don't seem like the martyr type to me, so I suggest you start thinking about who you're going to vote for.

It's time to make a choice Matt. Cooperate or die.

Metalmarsh89

Matt wrote:Lol

So much WIFOM is running through my brain. Why still sign it "Metalmarsh89" ? Really?

Since Glorfy flipped Boomer, I've been thinking sig is bad anyway so maybe they think I'll believe he's good because of this or something, god I don't know.

Derp.

^---To be clear, this was before we knew Glorfy was good. Haha.

And my favorite message, the last message I received...

Golden wrote:See Matt

See Matt derp

Derp, Matt, derp

Matt, Matt, Matt- derp, derp, derp

Matt-derp-Matt-derp-Matt-derp-Matt

Derp-a-derp-a-derp-derp, Matt-Matt-Matt

Matador? Matt-a-derp!

Doormat, Derp-Matt

Derp-Matt, Hazmat

Matt derped on a hat. Matt derped on a bat. No, Matt, no! Don't derp on that!

Does Matt belong to a frat? Sigma Derpa Tau is where it's at!

Is Matt derping his way to a great fall?

I think he is. That is all.

Metalmarsh89

Matt wrote:Lol.

Whoever these people are (I'm guessing Cavil faction but even if it was the F5 somehow), do they really have nobody better to message than me? Hahaha.

Fun times, G-man and SVS!

I thought it was funny when Long Con demanded to know who Chaos Age was hahahaha. Oh and sorry Rico, I wasn't trying to confuse the thread, I just wanted to make it clear to 'dem baddies that I wasn't havin' it haha.

Also 3600th post. That's how many sectors of space there are in the DC universe. Geek alert!!

Lol G-man. NIce work, my friend.

You haven't posted your second message to me yet, but in reference to sig/INH...

Despite believing that sig was totes civ cuz of Glorfy, your wifom about sig and INH had me questioning him, and then when INH was NK'd I was questioning sig (to myself, not in the thread) even harder hahahaha.

Nice job, you and SVS rocked it. Glad nobody listens to me.

Whoa! Game over!

Nice job, a win I most assuredly did not deserve.

Congrats to fellow civs, especially those who sniffed out those dastardly cylons the last four days!

Super fun game Golden haha

"Chaos age" G-man

G-Man wrote:Anyone figure out what my shenanigans were this game? Might as well have something to kill time before the post gets here.

I don't get it are you bad or no?

Looks like Gman's gettin' grilled.

Whatcha gonna flip G did I defend another one of you evil toasters again?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy and G-Man:

You both have five minutes to give me your top five suspects.

Your answers will determine which one of you I murder. I have the power.

Do you have the power to murder Cavil?

Cuz I think he can be lynched.

Drum and 3J can partner on you and put you and Gman in a tie or they can partner up with me and try to put Cavil to rest or they can do whatever really.

I'm gonna vote

John Cavil

Cuz why not?

Doing the math...

Even if 3J and Wilgy joined me on a Drumbeats vote, DB could just vote Gman and break the tie.

Derp.

Hmmm

Anything to say about my suss of you Drum?

Yo Doc why do you think SVS stopped going after you once you used your claim?

For some reason I want to lynch juliets lol

Silly meaningless vibe probably.

It comes down to a few things...

1) If Golden was willing to make two of the Final Five baddies, then why not three?

2) She ran with SVS' "slip" trying to get the town to discuss it before others brought up that it was put there on purpose to mislead us.

Hrm.

Started an ISO on the G-Man, here is a snip from his 7th post where he gives out a few reads...

G-Man wrote:DrumBeats stood out initially for jumping right in and requesting a letter without any discussion. It was a rush to judgement that was poor but, given that nobody (I assume) knew the puzzle was ciphered, it's far from indicative. Being helpful on a puzzle is neither here nor there, really. At least he picked what is normally a high-frequency letter.

Epignosis also jumped right in an declared a letter for the puzzle. He picked E, which I assume served a dual purpose- his name begins with E and it's the highest-frequency letter (not just vowel) in the English language. He tried a few guesses and we haven't head from him since. It's Epi, so I'm resisting the natural impulse to assume he's up to no good.

What's interesting to me about this is that he does not comment on either SVS or nutella also just jumping in with a letter.

Not incriminating, but worth sharing I think.

Also, so Epi doesn't forget whenever he comes back, I don't want this to get lost in the clutter...

Matt wrote:Skipping Rico's previous post where he was just being a meany and on to...

Ricochet wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:I can totally see Cavil having some sort of ability. I hope he stays dead if we lynch him.

I just feel like these few days has been rather good - we lynched two baddies in a row and are not as pressured as before by the ambiguity of the f5 and all that(unless you doubt me and Juliets... Though I can't speak for Juliets obviously) so I think the time is right.

I can see him having some sort of ability too...but is it a big one? Is it the same one S~V~S had? I'm not convinced.

...

What ability did SVS have?

Yeah that's a weird thing to say, Epi, care to elaborate?

3J - Do you think G-Man straight bussed his whole team? I'm not saying it's not possible, just curious.

Ricochet wrote:You should skip to posting your theories.

And saying if you suspect sig. For what it's worth, I don't.

sig's an enigma to me cuz of mind games by SVS and company.

I still think he's connected to Glorfy somehow tho so G2H good right now.

Skipping Rico's previous post where he was just being a meany and on to...

Ricochet wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:I can totally see Cavil having some sort of ability. I hope he stays dead if we lynch him.

I just feel like these few days has been rather good - we lynched two baddies in a row and are not as pressured as before by the ambiguity of the f5 and all that(unless you doubt me and Juliets... Though I can't speak for Juliets obviously) so I think the time is right.

I can see him having some sort of ability too...but is it a big one? Is it the same one S~V~S had? I'm not convinced.

...

What ability did SVS have?

Yeah that's a weird thing to say, Epi, care to elaborate?

Epignosis wrote:Matt, I am probably going to vote for G-Man because I think G-Man's "another thread" business with Dex was far too specific to be a natural thought and far too petty to be a genuine suspicion.

What say you?

I'm inclined to follow you and Polo after recent events with me being a total sucker. Tbh tho I have very little opinion of G-Man, in fact I would slightly town read him because of his colorful lists, but I admit those can be done as a baddie as well.

If I was voting simply based on who I wanted to vote for, it would be Cavil or Drumdrum, but I'll be holding my vote for as long as I can today.

Ricochet wrote:Well, I happened to reach some conclusion about Beats being suspicious based on actual interactions with a baddie, not so much him opening the game by posting the letter "S", so yeah, I might not be as interested in your "information".

Well now you're simply downplaying what I brought forth. It wasn't that he posted "S", it was that his first and second posts were eerily similar (almost exact) to two other known baddies in the game, all three of which were posted within 5 minutes of each other.

Also you're not commenting on the fact that you voted SVS Day One, Drumbeats immediately votes for you thereafter. Or Drumbeats minor town reading nutella. Or Drumbeats voting nutella on Day Two a day after townreading her, also his was the last vote for Nute when she was probably going to be lynched regardless. Or him not voting SVS or Dex the day they were lynched, and not voting at all the day Daisy was...

But yeah, we'll go with "Matt came up with Drum being bad cuz of the letter S DEEEEEEERP"

@3J

I looked over the exchanges and it appears Drum voting for Rico had absolutely nothing to do with SVS, at least visibly. Instead Drum was just accusing Rico of not adding anything to the thread, only discrediting everyone's ideas. Although he was saying these things parallel to Rico sussing SVS. Hrm.

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:@3J, @Rico

What do you think of DB town reading nutella from the get go (to be fair he town read someone else too early, maybe sig?) and also voting for Rico directly after Rico votes for SVS on Day one?

I'll have to stop being lazy and actually read the exchanges from Day One and see why Drum actually voted for Rico. Derp.

Also Rico...like wtf man lol. This isn't the first game I've said "Crazy Theory # (Random Number)" so I really don't know what you're on about, my friend.

I was very clear.

You, instead, keep stalling for time. Coolio. What do you have to hide, unless you're bad?

Your link had nothing to do with Drumbeats.

And stalling for time? You're weirding me out dude do you expect me to come up with 977 random theories right now? Cuz that ain't gonna happen.

But yeah, speak to me about what you think about Drumbeats and all the information I've presented.

@3J, @Rico

What do you think of DB town reading nutella from the get go (to be fair he town read someone else too early, maybe sig?) and also voting for Rico directly after Rico votes for SVS on Day one?

I'll have to stop being lazy and actually read the exchanges from Day One and see why Drum actually voted for Rico. Derp.

Also Rico...like wtf man lol. This isn't the first game I've said "Crazy Theory # (Random Number)" so I really don't know what you're on about, my friend.

@Epi

What do you think of DB's voting record? I know you've stated repeatedly that you don't take stock into such things, but the one that I found really interesting was Day One...

When Rico voted SVS and the very next vote was Drum voting Rico. Hrm.

Coincidence again, along with town reading nutella from the get go?

So many koinkidinks if so...

To be clear those are all Drumbeats' votes up there.

A few quick notes despite not having the complete records for Days 7 - 11...

On Day One, Rico votes for SVS. The very next vote is Drumbeats voting for Rico.

On Day Two, Drumbeats is the last to cast a vote for nutella, and she was already leading by about 2 votes at the time, I believe.

On Day Nine, votes Epi but not SVS.

On Day Ten, votes Cavil and not Dex.

Does not vote on Day Eleven. Presumably still on vacation, I guess?

Also I realize the irony of me looking at votes as some way to catch a baddie when my voting record is craaaaaaaap.

But still, I think it's important.

@GOLDAMA - There are no voting records after Day Six.

@Epi, @Rico, @anyone else in the thread right now...

Where do you stand on lynching Cavil? Still want to wait?

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote: Linki - @Rico, you're just having fun with me right? I've noticed you call me out a few times for the "977 theories". Deeerp?

No, I'm very serious. Withholding information is suspicious. Why are you withholding 977 theories, given that you've jumped from one theory number to another, leaving a gap of 977 theories. Clearly suspicious skipping.

Also, your latest theory (no number given to this one, ey? ) is just about the definition of scrapping the barrel.

I hope Epignosis and Polo vote you, so you can follow them.

DEEEEP DEEEEP DOWN

I feel like you're being antagonistic for no reason, so I'm going to leave you be.

@Epi - Maybe. I still think it's suss of all the people in the game, DB gives ol' nutella a minor town look right from the get go. Perhaps I'll ISO him again and see where his votes were the days SVS, nutella, Dex, and Daisy were lynched (I haven't even looked there yet, for all I know he voted to be rid of all four of them).

Oh, and also, could just be a bad read from a civ but I did notice this in DB's ISO...

DrumBeats wrote:

nutella wrote:wait but is it actually a cipher? as in the letters are all changed on top of us not knowing any of them?? seems like that would be too mean

Minor townread here on nutella for pointing out that it could be a cipher first.

Linki - @Rico, you're just having fun with me right? I've noticed you call me out a few times for the "977 theories". Deeerp?

Holy shit LOL

I was like "no fuckin way did I really not say it in the first post" ?

You're funny dude, I actually checked to see if I wrote "Epi is so handsome" hahahaha.

So what do you think tho, for real? Am I reaching as usual?

To be clear, though, I think it would be best if we tried to lynch Cavil today. Lol. But whatevs, I'll probably be following an Epi or Polo vote today, wherever those dudes go. Unless they vote me.

So Say We All

I've been intentionally away from the thread because I did not want to be a distraction as I seem to have been recently. *sigh*

Anyway, after some reevaluation, on Adama's orders...

The Bad Team

SVS
nutella
DrumBeats
Sokoth

F5 additions
Dex
Daisy
juliets

I've come to the conclusion (not just now, for a few phases now) that there is only one baddie team and in most games of this size with one baddie team, that means about 7 baddies. So I would say 4 OG baddies and three F5 baddies.

I'm not sold on Sokoth or juliets (even tho I've been talking about Sokoth the whole game), however...something did catch my eye on Drumbeats, and it's actually very very very minor, but still, I should bring it up just in case...

Here is SVS' first and second post of the game...

S~V~S wrote:R

S~V~S wrote:Wow I crashed on the couch mid contest and return to almost 300 posts. Time to start at the very beginning.

So say we all (again).

Her first post is just simply guessing a letter for the contest at the beginning of the game, her second post rectifies her missing So Say We All (tho for some reason she says "again" but whatever we'll ignore that)

Here is nutella's first and second post of the game...

nutella wrote:N

nutella wrote:lol I fucked up and didn't read all of the rules thoroughly. so say we all...

Her first post is just simply guessing a letter for the contest at the beginning of the game, her second post rectifies her missing So Say We All.

Now, we know these two are baddies.

Here is Drumbeats first and second post of the game...

DrumBeats wrote:S

DrumBeats wrote:So say we all,

my bad on forgetting that in the first one, I jumped the gun and only saw the event post.

And shit guys, sorry about S not being on there. It's a pretty common consonant and I figured other people would go quickly with vowels.

His first post is just simply guessing a letter for the contest at the beginning of the game, his second post rectifies his missing So Say We All.

Looks familiar. Hmmmm.

Also, all of these first posts happened within a 5 minute window in thread, all three.

I did some more digging, only two other players in the entire game missed "So Say We All". One was Marmot, and to me it looked legit. The other was Vomps, so who knows on that one.

And, if I'm to believe some theory where the baddies were required or at the very least, challenged to miss the first So Say We All of the game, then I would have to be a little more lax on Sokoth considering he did his.

Anyway, am I Matting too much here? What does everyone think of the similarities between SVS/Nutella's first and second posts and Drumbeats' ?

Hate to bring stuff up, but just curious...

Are we under the assumption the rest of the Final Five are good to go now?

What if Golden did another reverse and there are 4 Final Five mafia and 1 good one? Deeeeerp.

Hrm.

I've been wrong on everything. My last two top civ reads were Polo and sig. Let's lynch them lulz.

Obscure again I have no idea wtf you're talking about, the last time I asked you to explain I think you said you couldn't because you'd be mod killed and now you're bringing this up again and I just don't even...

Welp, like I said off to read some Batman...

Crazy Theory # 1261

Every singe person we lynch comes up "Cavil aligned" until we lynch John Cavil, regardless of their affiliation. Now I'm just coming up with weird stuff, but I was amazed at what an awesome job town has done taking out two baddies in a row. Hrm.

Anyway for real, I'm not going to waste time defending myself. I think most would agree it's more believable that I just suck because if I were bad (here comes...WIFOM!) I just simply wouldn't be defending Daisy like I did. Just...ugh no.

Regardless I really don't care if ya'll hang me, wasted day, keep on truckin' !

Not that you care Epi but I'm going to stop harassing you from here on out. Derp.

Polo I realize my response to you was a bit disrespectful...

But really I have no defense. I was wrong and am total sucky town.

HOWEVER...

This means Dex pressed town into looking the Final Five which included (at least?) two baddies which gave town a 50% shot of nailing them...all the while pushing against lynching his "unkillable" master.

For real. If SVS IS actually unkillable, then I simply do not understand.

Linki - Oh my. I g2h him totes civ.

Polo wrote:Matt, you were one of my big civ reads but I'm not really liking the cut of your jib now.

Lol k.

I have no words tbh.

Apologies for distracting the town, I'm gonna go read my Batman No Man's Land tpb's now...

Daisy at the very least, be kind when you and SVS and the rest are laughing at me in btsc

....totes!

Daisy just voting herself after being away for three days and not leaving a legacy post...

Makes me think I'm about to pull out the blush smiley.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:vote: Spacedaisy

Might as well vote myself, seeing as I have no chance anyway.

Who among your voters do you think is most likely to be opportunistic?

The guy who said "jumping on the bandwagon" ?

Spacedaisy wrote:vote: Spacedaisy

Might as well vote myself, seeing as I have no chance anyway.

K.

I'm happy to have spent the last hour or so trying to defend you for...that.



So how you gonna flip?

Is there anyone else in the game that would've approached the "unkillable evil" scenario the way SVS and Dex did?

Who in the game would've instead attempted to goad town into lynching you if you were unkillable instead of outright announcing it in thread? Keep in mind SVS is a mafia pro, been playing for nearly a decade I think.

I would've devised a plan exactly the way I described in my "group convo" a couple posts back, and am not sure why they didn't go that route if SVS is indeed "unkillable".

Rubbish.

juliets, why do you think SVS and Dex went the route they did instead of trying to get town to waste a lynch on her?

Matt wrote:

John Cavil wrote:I believe SVS was dead at that time. I was alive, but otherwise ocupado with zany prison related shenanigans. SVS =/= John Cavil for purposes of voting, although I must say she is one of my closest friends and a straight up awesome gal.

That she is!

Questions

1. Why would you tell the thread you can't be killed as opposed to town just finding out by wasting a day to lynch you? Weird.

2. Why didn't Dex push your lynch so the town would waste a day lynching you, instead he pushed looking at a group of four that included himself? Weird.

At this point I know Daisy's going to get lynched but I'd still like insight from other players on their own line of thinking regarding whether or not SVS can be lynched.

Oh wait maybe that was the wrong usage. Derp.

Anyway I'm anticipating this flip and I hope I'm wrong so we nail a bad bad.