The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote:BigDamnBalls.

biggest damn pair YOU'VE ever seen!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

THE RED ROOM: RULES

1. These are actually rules. Yes. They perfectly meet the definition of rules. The host never lies.
2. The players from the other thread can definitely post here without getting punished. And vice versa!
3. You know that saying that "death comes in threes"? It's never true. Especially not here.
4. This thread and the other Champions thread are completely unrelated. COMPLETELY.
5. That said, your alignment here has everything to do with your previous alignment in the other Champions thread.
6. "L" does not stand for lynch and "N" does not stand for night. And they certainly do NOT indicate anything.
7. Just because you're out doesn't mean it's over.
8. May the worst player win.

First let me point out the obvious that nowhere in the so-called "rules" does it expressly state that any sort of "opposite" wordplay is being employed. Going off of that fact, Rule #2 expressly states that the other players can, in fact, feel free to post in the Red Room without the fear or reprisal. Throughout the course of posting, I was under the impression I was being encouraged by said host to continue in my efforts.

Secondly, a player having no knowledge or familiarity with the Twin Peaks motif, such as myself, may not understand what sort of significance the Red Room may or may not hold and therefor be unaware of any quirks of opposite characteristic effects such a place may have on his well-being.

Thirdly, I direct everyone's attention to rule #7: "Just because you're out, doesn't mean it's over." This exact phrase has been repeated multiple times by the host in this thread where normal sentence structure/wordplay is employed thus making a confusing precedent in the Red Room should all his words actually be considered the opposite of their stated meaning...which leads me to me final and MOST DAMNING piece of evidence.

RULE #1....the rule that sets the tone for all the others. It clearly reads that what is to follow are actually rules. If, however, we are to interpret this rule in the opposite context as has been suggested, then that could only conclusive mean that the rules set forth by the host ARE NOT actually rules at all in which case I haven't violated any rule and have thusly been summararily modkilled for no reason whatsoever.

Thank you , your honor....I rest my case!!!



Having said all that, I will still conform to the host's decision to modkill me. What I did, I did for the betterment of the civ nation because the sweetest rewards come from going where others fear to tread, and after all, what good is a reward if nothing was risked to attain it? So if this is indeed the end for me, then at least I retire knowing I went out on my own terms, playing my own style of mafia, and had fun doing it!

MovingPictures07 wrote:[center]Day 10: The Exit of Big Damn Wuss[/center][/b]
"You!" the voice pointed at BigDamnHero.

BigDamnHero stood, defiant. "Yes, YOU!" exclaimed the voice. "Champions don't defy the host!!! Are you willing to accept the price???"

BigDamnHero was. "You bet! Fuck you!!"

The host sighed. "I hate to do this, but...."

A giant sock appeared out of nowhere, completely covering BigDamnHero. After a few minutes, he couldn't stand it any longer, and stopped breathing, suffocated to death by the enclosed space and terrible smell.



BigDamnHero has been modkilled. He was Thomas.

It is still Day 10.

If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could POSSIBLY imagine!

bea wrote:

really sweetie? really?

I guess if this is your last game you went out how you wanted to go out. Being an *in your face* player the whole way.

Still, I'm VERY sad to loose you and your role.

DharmaHelper wrote:These motherfuckers in the Red Room inviting the shit out of me :P

DharmaHelper wrote:So going from MP's comments, Saturday should be an important/busy day for the deadies. Thoughts on that, guys?

DharmaHelper wrote:Arkansas.
Arr, Kansas.
Kansas. For Pirates.

juliets wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:

Nevinera wrote:What just happened? Did someone have a 'end the day immediately' item or something?

RIP SVS :-\
That sucks.

I've gotta fess up....I'm pretty sure this was MY fault, unfortunately. I had a prize from my MacGuyver story, though I had NO IDEA what it did, just that I could only use it during the day phase. I'm so so very sorry SVS.

But BDH, somehow she had to get a vote didn't she? You didnt do that. Or was it considered a tie because none of us got any votes? And Zodac decided? That just doesn't seem right because if Zodac is civvie-leaning why would he choose SVS? This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.

Nevinera wrote:What just happened? Did someone have a 'end the day immediately' item or something?

RIP SVS :-\
That sucks.

BigDamnHero wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm going to be at a concert tomorrow night, so I'll do all the fun night stuff either sometime when I get home, or, if I crash completely because I have to be up early to work the next day, it will be when I get home from work on Saturday.

Nonetheless, let's keep it at 24 hours to submit PMs.

So do we have to PM you a STATE to travel to AS WELL as vote in the poll?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm going to be at a concert tomorrow night, so I'll do all the fun night stuff either sometime when I get home, or, if I crash completely because I have to be up early to work the next day, it will be when I get home from work on Saturday.

Nonetheless, let's keep it at 24 hours to submit PMs.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 9 has ended.

I will try to get a post written and up ASAP.

Hedgeowl wrote:This is mostly to make myself feel better at game end when I find out how shit all my suspicions were.

I may just have to rest my laurels on my most successful suspect VAL.

Linki fact - a llama is not a fetus.

thellama73 wrote:It's like you don't know me at all.

thellama73 wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:
Is it disconcerting to anyone else that the alpaca here is trying to insert himself into the conversations. We ARE sure Media is dead, right?

Did it ever occur to you that I might just be lonely and want attention?

thellama73 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:This is not a discussion of you.

Everything is a discussion of me. There are just varying levels of tangents.

Quit Folding Raincoat to overhaul this all macaronic overthwart. You're virago an immune overhaul role, drawing fire Ceb18 wagon suspicion away from your teammates.

I don't have any teammates, but thank you for talking about me.

S~V~S wrote:I meant in the baddie teams, there is speculation he can be Fetus, right?

And she is saying that for the same reason Nev has, waste of time factor. She thinks the baddies/indies are gonna kill each other.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Also, let's assume we know that llama is Cohen for a second. You are right, I misremembered his lynch survival as a NK survival. But that would leave him with 1 protection left. Would it be better to get rid of that now or later when there are fewer players left?

Linki: Exactly

DharmaHelper wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:

Nevinera wrote:Does anyone have an opinion about doing the riddle in public?

I've been going over it this morning and I can't tell if all the lines are connected to one big riddle or if we have to solve the parts to complete the whole puzzle or what. Then this idea popped into my head: Is it possible that the Sinister Exaggerator put that in there to mess w/ our heads and keep us focused on something other than rooting out his teammates?

That's a good point. Going over it, the riddle looks mad disjointed and i can't think of one solid answer for the whole thing... It could very well be a distraction. And here I was all pumped to do some more codebreaking

Nevinera wrote:Does anyone have an opinion about doing the riddle in public?

timmer wrote:B D H I think
You seem pretty up in arms
About the spotlight

Nevinera wrote:None of my theories have been remotely outrageous, and I'm careful to state my level of confidence in each theory as I describe it.

My "flip flopping" is nothing of the sort, though obviously it could seem that way if you aren't reading my meaning in those posts.

I have acted in every case as intelligently and "honorably" as I could, and I very much disagree with your characterization of my actions and behavior. I do not cite assumptions as evidence, I present observations and then described the conclusions I believe can be garnered from them in a logical fashion. I still believe my rumplestiltskin evidence against bea to have merit, though not so much that it could justify lynching you or Juliets.

And finally, I did not "attack two civs", I brought reasonable and thought-out evidence against one person, who may or may not have been a civ. I certainly didn't 'attack' *you*, which you seem to be implying - I in fact straight out told you that I didn't think there was enough evidence to make any kind of case against you. Maybe the way *you* seem to play - attempting to drive opinion by relentless characterization - that constitutes an "attack", but the way *I* play does not involve steering public opinion via emotional displays and accusations.

Nevinera wrote:To be clear, what I am positing (and this has no kind of confidence, it's just the only story I can make fit all the data):

Bdh read Beas role on accident. Bea Martell, bdh a civ.
They call foul on themselves to MP, and the best way to not destroy the game is for one of them to bow out.
MP lets bdh join the baddy team and bea die anonymously to not kill the game.
I mean, mp could have just killed bdh instead, and that would seem more likely to me, but bea would have thought it was her fault and argued for her dying instead. And since bdh knows, he needs to be switched in?

It seems far fetched enough that even I don't believe it,
but I just cannot figure what happened last night out otherwise.
I don't intend to press any case against BDH based on this, of course, but I will be watching him closely.
Just in case.

Nevinera wrote:Yeah, that fits.

Nevinera wrote:

S~V~S wrote: That is your game play style, but it is not everyones.

Once MP had an entire hidden baddie team that was not in the secrets, mechanics or anywhere. They were just an actual secret. He has secret event style mechanics, and trigger mechanics that are not usually in the role list. Just becasue you don't see something in the roles, does not mean it does not exist.

Logical? Perhaps not. True? Most likely. I understand why you came up with the theory; you are having a problem understanding how this could be, and a theory like that would explain the numbers. But it is what it is.

This is useful to know. I'll definitely be less certain I know what's going on in the future.

I've already said I don't intend to press a case on BDH - I don't think my theory Is solid either,
It's just all I can come up with.

BDH: I am on the civ side, and I am gathering and presenting evidence as well as I can,
Because that's how you catch the bad guys.
If you are civ, please review my behavior throughout the game.
My evidence could have been incorrect (though I don't see how), but it was never *secret* -
I do not 'make up' cases, I do not try to get someone lynched on "my gut",
and I had every reason to believe bea was bad.
Even if, as you say, she was not.

I *also* have accomplished a great deal this game in the civ cause,
and I tend to think that that has been downright obvious, if not to its full extent.

So if you really are a civ, please think twice about this course of action.
Your opinion of me is incorrect.

Nevinera wrote:Well that makes sense. They wouldn't have stopped the lynch if they though bea was going to die instead, huh?

Wonder how bea could have died though - and who is bdh planning to avenge her on?
I hope that wasn't my fault :-/
She doesn't seem bad to me any more, though that boggles my mind.

I'm wondering if there were some kind of corrective host-shenanigans last night, actually.
It's the only thing I can think of that seems to fit all the facts.

Nevinera wrote:To be clear, what I am positing (and this has no kind of confidence, it's just the only story I can make fit all the data):

Bdh read Beas role on accident. Bea Martell, bdh a civ.
They call foul on themselves to MP, and the best way to not destroy the game is for one of them to bow out.
MP lets bdh join the baddy team and bea die anonymously to not kill the game.
I mean, mp could have just killed bdh instead, and that would seem more likely to me, but bea would have thought it was her fault and argued for her dying instead. And since bdh knows, he needs to be switched in?

It seems far fetched enough that even I don't believe it,
but I just cannot figure what happened last night out otherwise.
I don't intend to press any case against BDH based on this, of course, but I will be watching him closely.
Just in case.

Nevinera wrote:Well I can see this is about to get ugly.
There's too much I'm not allowed to say in my own defense, so I'd love it if any of the people that have been paying attention could help out with that.

After that response from BDH I consider the scenario I just posited much more likely than I would have otherwise.
I could believe he hasn't been paying attention, and doesn't know who I am or why I would behave as I do,
but there's no way he'd be this aggressive if that were the case.

I stand by my earlier evidence, and I think it's unlikely that bea was a civ.
My brief appearance of a disagreement with myself is because the numbers, as they say, are bad.
They confuse me.
But I don't see any *role* that could cause Bea to kill herself, I don't see any mechanic in-game to allow that,
and I don't think that's a likely reward for a contest. So host-shenanigans seem likely.

So BDH will certainly try to get me lynched - it's really their only hope of victory, and they know it.
Hopefully the majority will see past that crap and keep an eye on what is really *happening*.

Nevinera wrote:If anyone other than BDH has any questions for me I will be delighted to answer them as far as I'm able.
Or if he wants to ask any real ones, or make a real case of course I'll reply to that.
But I'm not really interested in trying to answer random mud slinging without any arguments or logic.

Nevinera wrote:Well I can see this is about to get ugly.
There's too much I'm not allowed to say in my own defense, so I'd love it if any of the people that have been paying attention could help out with that.

After that response from BDH I consider the scenario I just posited much more likely than I would have otherwise.
I could believe he hasn't been paying attention, and doesn't know who I am or why I would behave as I do,
but there's no way he'd be this aggressive if that were the case.

I stand by my earlier evidence, and I think it's unlikely that bea was a civ.
My brief appearance of a disagreement with myself is because the numbers, as they say, are bad.
They confuse me.
But I don't see any *role* that could cause Bea to kill herself, I don't see any mechanic in-game to allow that,
and I don't think that's a likely reward for a contest. So host-shenanigans seem likely.

So BDH will certainly try to get me lynched - it's really their only hope of victory, and they know it.
Hopefully the majority will see past that crap and keep an eye on what is really *happening*.

Nevinera wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote: If you now believe Bea was good, then why did you just posit a theory in which you think she's bad again? IN fact, if you don't even believe in the words you wrote, why post it at all except to plant the idea in people's heads?

The numbers, of course.

Mongoose wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Wow, what a night!

So happy Vomps was Jack and was lynched. Why/how did bea kill herself!? And good job surviving (if you're good) Timmer, DH, and S~V~S!

FH -- Hi!

I wondered if she did it on accident - like someone redirected her target on even reflected it back on to her? I bet they thought it would be Uber Lulz after she allegedly "begged for it all game."

I will go on the record as saying I don't think it was intentional.