The Syndicate

Job wrote:I saw uzziah worshiping the devil and associating with heathens, so I'm voting there.

Linki, the wifom is the statement he's rooting for the heathens to win.

Job wrote:If I had to vote now it would be for belshazar.

I lean scum on Ruth, Martha and Lot. I've felt a little better about Lot recently though.

Townreading Paul and Jonah.

Job wrote:

Uzziah wrote:

Rahab wrote:

Uzziah wrote:I'm rooting for the scum.

Oh yeah?

Yeah.

Wifom. No one knows your meta so there's no reason to do it. Which means you have something to hide. I wouldn't mind lynching uzziah. Plus, as someone pointed out, maybe the horsemen voted apocalypse. Uzziah voted that way and I wouldn't be sad to see one leave if that were the case.

Job wrote:

Paul wrote:

Balaam wrote:Holy early vote! Got any proof there Paul?

you should read his posts there are only two

the first post is like how cute everyone else is look how awesome and tough I am bitches I am totally scum

This one is pointing out how totally fluff and void of any real content Samuels first two points are. I'm not convinced like Paul seemed to be that he's scum but it was an OK observation.

Job wrote:I won't cry over a dead horseman either, but to be fair, they will only unleash plagues upon heathens because the sovereign are raptured before their coming.

I don't have a good impression of Lot, I think he is trying to intimidate Paul and squash discussion. As well as find out people's identities, let people be.

I still don't like belshazar in particular for that reason and to a lesser extent Ruth.

Job wrote:Belshazar also suss for that reason, lean scum on him and Ruth. Townreading paul

Absalom wrote:Paul, your list is people you say are not scum hunting. What do you think of the very low posters, like Pilate or Mary Magdelene? They are not scum hunting either.

Absalom wrote:

Paul wrote:miss me?

Always.

Martha wrote:

Belshazzar wrote:More:

If Martha's "hunnies" are sockplay (I didn't get the reference, tbh, I'm not that knowledgeable), then I'm fine with it. Sockplay is fine by me.

Tbh I am sock playing when I speak some of the time, but the point I keep trying to make was Paul was rubbing me the wrong way by not how he was talking, but how was he acting when he posted. I was also fishing for reactions when I mentioned so what if that is how I really talk or not? I think it's interesting some of the responses of wanting me lynched just for how I talk and saying I'm annoying. I think if anyone talks differently than normal, that's the point of a sock game to have mystery to everyone's usernames. I think we should focus on finding Heathens and less on if someone seems like a new player or how they speak, dears.

Balaam wrote: As I mentioned earlier, I have a better understanding of Paul's tactics now. I have no read on him or anyone because I don't read people well. All I'm saying is give Paul's suspicions a go today and see what happens. If he's wrong, hopefully he'll dial it back a notch until we can get some empirical evidence. I never said anything about lynching him if he's wrong, just getting him to turn the dial back off of 11.

Belshazzar wrote:Catchin' up.

Judging by Samuel's long awaited reply to Paul's scumread on him, I'm a bit surprised he only addressed the part where he asked the Host about the need to figure out players behind the sock. Do you really believe that is why Paul called you scum, Samuel, or were you intentionally skipping the real accusation - your agressive opener, that not only Paul, but several others have deemed suspicious. Furthermore, in the same post, Samuel is eyeballing Ruth for her attempts to flush out players who seem/act new, even though he has questioned the Host if there is any purpose in doing sort of the same thing. Something feels a bit odd about this.

Then again, everything suddenly seems water under the bridge now between Samuel and Paul, with Paul right away saying

Paul wrote:Samuel glad we're cool but why do you only comment about Ruth

Paul wrote:yo Samuel you want to be best buds? you seem like a cool guy

and later insisting on the fact that he voted and scumread Samuel only to fish / test reactions and get the ball rolling. Whilst I understand this tactic, I must confess I'm still slightly irked by this switch, especially given that he voted before doing any of this. As in, absolutely everything he has done so far.

Onto the issue of Paul's play being a total pretense, which if I'm not mistaken Ruth, Martha and Lot have brought it up: my gut tells me Paul is indeed new to the Syndicate, because it would take a great amount of fabrication to create such a persona. However, I'm not rejecting the idea either, given that it's such a nice timing, with the Champions game ongoing and such, to take advantage and adopt a different tactic and vocabulary, in addition to hiding under the sock. I'd give it a few more days to judge this, on the belief that if he will remain obstinate in how he plays, it will actually become a sign that it is a possible pretense cracking under limitations (sticking to "scum this, scum that" and other rebuttals) rather than that he is a natural "outsider" who's very much sticking to his own style of mafia.

If Paul is indeed new here, he is no doubt experienced otherwise in playing mafia, therefore he is not a "noob" and I would have no problem with him being voted, even as a "new forum player", if anyone deems him bad. He wouldn't have a problem with it either, from what he says, so game on. On the hand, I don't suspect Rebecca and others who may bring the "BOTD/no newbie d1 lynch" card, because it's such an old and constant debate over here and we never really seem to reach a resolution either, every time it happens.

I don't understand, nor like Samson's follow vote for Samuel. Samson has otherwise said nothing of value or to back his vote, except supporting Paul's actions earlier on. I would just note that Paul's initial reaction was

Paul wrote:wow someone followed me on my vote cool

followed after a split second or so by actually questioning Samson's vote and later turning Samson into his main scum lead.

Bottom line w. Paul, I don't like that he voted first and then has done everything else, his scumreading/fishing switch of intentions strikes me as odd since he is usually defending his actions as being meaningful baddie hunting. I also don't recall him giving any reasons for Nicodemus being a third choice (or 2nd wagon) on his scum list.

Balaam wrote:A little time off, some thinking, and this post:

Paul wrote:basically im being misunderstood b/c its d1 and there is almost nothing to go on so i created stuff to go on

i waited long enough for d1 i can't believe people deal with that

i also can't believe people are taking me so srs i am trying to hunt scum by fishing for reactions to the stuff i say how else do you hunt this early

...gives me a new perspective on Paul. I have not seen such an aggressive, relentless, button-pushing fisher in a long time but now Paul makes a lot of sense to me. Were you really suspicious of Samuel initially or did your lasting suspicion come from the reactions he gave you? After coming out the other side of this issue, it's going to be difficult for me to take you seriously when you go after someone. I will always have to wonder whether you really suspect someone or if you are just fishing for a reaction from them or anyone else.

While I respect your cowboy style of play, I can tell we're not kindred spirits and that may lead us to be at odds as this game progresses (assuming we're both alive come Day 2). For better or worse, I am an empirical observer. I don't care about pings and feelings. Nor do engage in "forcing it" as Paul has done. I simply wait for people to expose themselves to me. This occurs through patterns in voting, process of elimination, and patterns of defensive and supportive behavior in the thread. If I survive past Night 3, I'll let you know what I've come up with.

Isaac wrote:

Paul wrote: I would be more than happy to die d1 if it means doing so leads to a town victpry

I never understand people who say this. Surely you didn't sign up to the game so you could be martyred and let other people get all the fun/credit?

Malchus wrote:Dear Lord please bestow upon Paul the ability to post all his habitual thoughts into one post per page and grant unto me a small portion of his psychic abilities, Amen.

Lot wrote:
See above. I've used the 'a lot' reason a lot, because I'm trying to have fun with the sock. My real reason for voting the law was because I did not think voting for the apocalypse was a good idea, and the two of them were about equally in the lead when I came in.

Absalom wrote: Okay, the Paul show is getting a little old. I don't think he's bad, but he's drowning out everything else in the thread, make it hard for me to get a read on others.

Paul wrote: I am curious what everyone thinks of everyone else no joke try to force yourself to make an opinion of those who have posted and share it b/c that's now town wins this game

Samuel wrote:

Paul wrote:i am tired of talking to myself anyway and understand the argument that useless posts do not help so will leave again now

that said i still think we should wagon the two options I said before

I find it real interesting you say nothing about Samson or anyone else

this phase would be real boring if everyone observed

You don't think my posts were scummy, yet you still think a wagon on me and someone else would be a good idea? Please explain.

And who is the comment about Samson directed toward.?

Paul wrote: this phase would be real boring if everyone observed

Samuel wrote:If you don't want to lynch Paul for possibly trying to conceal his identity, then no I don't find you as suspicious as I did. I mean, we are all concealing our identity, that would be a bad reason to vote him. I guess I misunderstood what you were getting at. Maybe I mixed up your response to Paul with others. I think those either wanting to vote me or Paul are opportunistic at the moment.

Martha wrote:Wow you dears are a little taken back on my opinions and think I'm fake too? I understand this is one of the sock games, but me talking a certain way makes me fake? How do you know I don't talk that way In my daily life? There are new player hunny and I don't think a girl's way of speech deserves any fire. What I meant to clarify by Paul acting fake and forced was, that his posts to me seem like he's purposefully saying "scum, let's catch scum, scum scum scum" many many times as if he's trying very hard to look like he is good to everyone very early in the game. I don't think there is a comparison on the two of us by me naturally calling anyone sweetie or hunny versus someone being over the top saying "they are good, let's catch heathens!" Maybe I'm not used to his style, but I just don't feel good about it and expressed that. I don't even see why this is an issue with me and think you guys are making it an easy way of Heathens to stir up fire.