The Syndicate

Well I'm gonna get lynched.

So... I think tonight some protection for Ekeknat would be nice.
Tomorrow you guys should lynch LC if you want a Gay Parade baddie.

What else...

I want BR to explain what team she thinks Zebra is on and if she thinks LC is bad.
I don't think DF/ekeknat/Made/SD/sprityo are bad.
I don't think Dana is nutellas teammate, but could very well be LCs teammate.
Leaves BR/Zebra/Indiglo. No read on Indiglo. I'll let BR and Zebra fight it out and figure out which one of them is bad.

Linki with DF:
Nope.

Aw DF you sealed my lynch basically. How rude.

I think he's hinting at a role.

People can believe what they want LC. If they want to believe I'm Coquelicot civ, be my guest. It would mean I'm not going to be nkd tonight and that I'm not going to get lynched. Pretty sweet deal. I also get two lynches to lynch the remaining Coquelicot baddie before I'm safe forever.

I could also just want to focus on getting rid of one team before starting with the other. Believe what you want.

@BR: If you believe Zebra to be bad, what team do you think she is on?
Also, what do you think of Lc?

I have to add this as well:
SVS is the one person in the world who I do not want to be on opposite sides with if I'm bad, because she's about the only one who can read me to a tee. She thought I was civ. That probably doesn't mean much to most of you, but to players like BR and LC, it should mean something.

Cue Zebra saying I am suspicious for saying this :P
Zebra, take a step back from your suspicion of me and try and read through my posts with a clear, neutral mind. Try and see if you can find any baddie things I have done. I haven't. Hope you see that. I know you've already voted, but I want you to be able to change your mind because you turn out to be wrong.

I don't have a lot of time today, so I'm loving these votes. Will probably only be back just before the deadline.

a2thezebra wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:It's WIFOM.

It wasn't even meant as WIFOM. It was meant as a joke.
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sprityo wrote:Sorta clarification: I only interact with typh and I get roleblocked, therefore they are likely to be related and I should vote him

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. According to that logic, SVS was most definitely killed by BR seeing as she had the most interaction with her. You're seeing two completely unrelated things and think they must have a connection because you have no other information or connection to fill in any possible gaps in your reasoning. It's a human thing to do, but it's faulty.
It's also a dumb move because you're acknowledging that you have a power so you're more likely to be nightkilled.

ekeknat wrote:So, at this point, I'm pretty darn sure LC and Typhoony are teammates. I'm not so sure about Black Rock (and at this point, it would be him alone on coquelicot side if i'm keeping track of things correctly - nutella switched MM over and they both died, and the role left that insanifies people is a civvy role. Since the kills switch off like they do between teams, I think it would be better to take one of them out this go around so as to preserve that lack of coordination between mafias. Since there's votes on Typhoony already, i'm going to go ahead and vote for him - think it would be a purty darn good idea to take one of them out today no matter what

You are wrong good sir. Not only about me being on a baddie team, also about BR being a he.

Why exactly do you suspect me? I see a lot of talk but not a single reason why you think I'm bad.

Long Con wrote: It's funny you should say this - it's not Typhoony and I that are teammates, it's a2thezebra and Typhoony. Just look back over their "argument" posts, several times during this game. These are not real arguments, they're arguments for the sake of distancing. Lemme pull up the example that really clicked it for me...

You know LC, if anyone actually reads this and thinks this makes sense, kudos to them.
But you KNOW I am not bad. You know I am not on nutellas team because I was instrumental in her lynch. You also know I'm not on the Gay Parade baddie team because you are on that yourself. I'd much rather focus on taking out nutellas teammate which is why I haven't been after you all that much. I'm sure you can figure out why my friend

Later in that post you say my defense is too good or something, how my thinking is immersed in a baddie team.
Do you actually think that is out of character for me? You've hosted me. You know I am a very tactical player that asks a lot of questions and tries to think about every angle. Me thinking like that should not and does not surprise you. The only reason you would put it like that is if you were bad.

So, to reiterate since this will be my last post before people can decide if they want to vote for me:

- Ekeknat: You're wrong. Look through the thread and see if you actually think I'm bad. Then think about how your read of me being a baddie could be wrong.
- LC: Gay Parade baddie team.
- Zebra: Hello my friend
- BR: Has a vote already. Has a better chance than most at being nutellas teammate (see SVS posts, who was just killed by nutellas teammate. Coincidence?)

Voting BR.

a2thezebra wrote:

Typhoony wrote:

sprityo wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

sprityo wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Yes I forgot about that. Please stay insanified so I can act like I don't know what you are saying. In the mean time I will just kill you so I won't have to bother with you anymore. Great idea if I say so myself

Harmless joke or something else?

Good question.

for the irony that everyone hopped onto Scotty for essentially something almost like this. humor me with explaining why you might even suggest killing zebra, typhoony?

It's called a joke.

Also it is far from "essentially something like this".The big thing against Scotty was that his post was considered a slip, something he wanted to post in a BTSC thread. If you view my post as something that I actually wanted to post in a BTSC thread, you've got yourself a point. But you don't, so don't present it like that.

It's WIFOM. When someone says that you've got something on your face you don't get to decide whether they're right or not. You said something suspicious, deal with it. Also you don't need to introduce sprityo to the concept of jokes, he brought it up in the same quotebox you're responding to before you did.

Of what I said there, what was suspicious and why?

Long Con wrote:Hmmm... another good answer. Maybe too good...

Tell you what, LC. If you don't get lynched today, you can kill Zebra Night 5. Feel free to pin it all on me if you like!

sprityo wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

sprityo wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Yes I forgot about that. Please stay insanified so I can act like I don't know what you are saying. In the mean time I will just kill you so I won't have to bother with you anymore. Great idea if I say so myself

Harmless joke or something else?

Good question.

for the irony that everyone hopped onto Scotty for essentially something almost like this. humor me with explaining why you might even suggest killing zebra, typhoony?

It's called a joke.

Also it is far from "essentially something like this".The big thing against Scotty was that his post was considered a slip, something he wanted to post in a BTSC thread. If you view my post as something that I actually wanted to post in a BTSC thread, you've got yourself a point. But you don't, so don't present it like that.

@ LC: If i wanted to call a hit on her, I'd do it on a night that the non-nutella baddie team kills. So next night maybe

Can we have a separate thread where insanified Zebra and I talk back and forth? :P

This has been a lot of fun, but I'm gonna focus my energy on other people from now on. I suggest you do the same.

a2thezebra wrote:You, jaundiced Con, Black necessitous possibly good guy. Lurkers aside, these are my baddie reads.

Who would you constitute as a lurker exactly and who not?
Quote the player list from the first page and bold and underline whoever you think is a lurker.

Yes I forgot about that. Please stay insanified so I can act like I don't know what you are saying. In the mean time I will just kill you so I won't have to bother with you anymore. Great idea if I say so myself

Actually, I don't think you're insanified any more. MM started talking normally during the Night.

Enrique: Are insanified players also insanified during the night?

Then I do not know what you meant by the post I responded to. Please rephrase when you're no longer insanified.

Also, take a chill pill

a2thezebra wrote:Why are you obligor to reason with Dana if you mastermind her vote was baddie-motivated to begin with and she is therefore not genuinely confused wagon to why a tie wouldn't be beneficial? Oh I know! Because you're the one who's putting on saving act.

If you read my posts, you would know I don't think Dana is nutellas teammate.

Dana wrote:I think I am going to vote Typhoony again because I still don't feel great about his Boulders vote and his vote for dispor seems kind of similar in a way. I have this (maybe not too well thought out) theory that someone who doesn't really play much in a game is probably a civvie since if they weren't, their teammates would be encouraging them to be around more or at least vote to avoid penalties. And while I would like dispor to be more involved, lynching him just because he's not here isn't helpful to us because one less civ is still one less civ and helps the baddies get closer to winning.

Have you ever been on a baddie team where people actively tell the lower posters to be more active in the thread when there hasn't been any suspicion thrown against them so far?
I'd love to hear it if so.

Also, I'll try and explain the tie vote thing one more time.

It's not about your indifference to either of them being lynched, it's about the possibility of giving baddies a chance to save their teammate. Or, in statistical terms, about the expected value of your action.
If you widen the gap between the front leader in the lynch and the next person in line, the chances of baddies saving their teammate is lower than before.
If you create a tie, the chances of baddies saving their teammates is higher than before.

The only way your line of thinking would work is if you are 100% sure that both persons are bad. In that case, it truly doesn't matter who gets lynched (well, it may depending on other factors, but let's not get into that).
But you are not 100% sure, let's say you are 70% sure or something instead.
Let's assume that, in the case of a tie, baddies are more likely to save their teammate than not.
Let's assume for simplicity's sake that the amount of teammates both players can have is equal.
This is based on probability. It does not mean that what in my eyes is most likely to happen will happen every time, just that I think it will happen most of the time.

Player A has 4 votes.
Player B has 3 votes.

Now let's look at the scenarios we can possibly have.

Scenario 1: Player A is bad. Player B is bad.

Doesn't matter what you do, a baddie dies.

Scenario 2: Player A is bad. Player B is civ.

- You vote player A, increasing the margin. Player A's teammate(s) will not bother to save their teammate. A gets lynched. A baddie dies.
- You vote player B, tying up the vote. Player A's teammate(s) see an option to save their teammate and act on it, giving B more votes. Player B gets lynched. A civ dies.

Scenario 3: Player A is civ. Player B is bad.

- You vote player A, increasing the margin. Bs teammates will not let B get lynched. Player A dies. a civ dies.
- You vote player B, tying up the vote. Bs teammates will not let B get lynched and will vote A. Player A dies. A civ dies.

Scenario 4: Player A is civ. Player B is civ.

A civ dies no matter what you do.

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Your vote only matters in Scenario 2 in this case, and voting for player B like you did will only make it more likely that a civ dies. Voting Player A in that scenario is thus the better option.

I voted DP. I'm not confident enough about LC or BR and I'd rather get rid of someone who doesn't really play and will become a really easy lynch target late game anyway.

sprityo wrote:

Long Con wrote:Today, I'm likely going to vote for Dana, made, or sprityo. Dana made the sketchy save attempt on Nutella, made is a possible recruit, and sprityo's actions around the time of nutella's Lynch were super sketchy as well.

??????

well i have to vote someone, might as well drop it here until i get back later

You can't change your vote.

Hello ekeknat! I see you there!

Would be great if you had any thoughts that you would like to share with the rest of us.

I don't know what you mean.

Are you wondering why I'm not voting Black Rock? Something with Black Rock right?

I don't think Dana is nutella's teammate. I don't feel comfortable voting Made purely on the basis that (s)he was insanified. I would have no problem voting sprityo though.

I'm not going to go over this with you Zebra. The argument is done as far as I'm concerned and I have no interest in talking about it again. If you find something new, go ahead and question me. Otherwise, don't waste your breath.

@ SVS:
I don't think it's Faraday either. Most of his posts don't make a lot of sense to me, which usually means he is civ.
It could be BR, it could also be one of the many people who have barely posted this game. DP has 5 posts, guylover 10, ekeknat 10. Sprityo hasn't said anything since Day 1. I want these people to post more than anything before I feel like I can make a somewhat informed decision.

@ SVS: Nutella's role is arguably more important than the other (secrets not withstanding).

Do you think BR would give up a recruiting role for a bit of civ cred?

Also, was someone silenced D2? Is anybody silenced now?

Congrats BR and LC

I would like to hear more from everybody who starts the Day with votes, most notably sprityo and DP, but also DF, ekeknat and guylover.

a2thezebra wrote:

Typhoony wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Probably because you're a nub and the the people who voted nutella aren't.

But really though...why haven't you been lynched yet? nutella didn't ping me once so I have to conclude that it was her meta that revealed her scummy nature to those that knew her meta better than I do. You're just plain baddie mcbadderson.

So you are saying that because nutella didn't ping you once it is impossible for others to be pinged by her behavior from an objective point of view (ie without taking into account her meta) ?
You are also saying that because you have been pinged by me, everybody else has to have been pinged by me?

I don't get you.

@ SVS: BRs vote for nutella pinged me, mostly because I was assuming she would vote me based on earlier comments. It's in her favor that she broke the tie in my favor though, so I'm willing to cut her some slack for that.

I'm not saying that anything has to be anything, I'm only expressing my confusion as to how things panned out. Please stop misrepresenting me every time you respond to me.

Then stop presenting your opinions as facts.

a2thezebra wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Probably because you're a nub and the the people who voted nutella aren't.

But really though...why haven't you been lynched yet? nutella didn't ping me once so I have to conclude that it was her meta that revealed her scummy nature to those that knew her meta better than I do. You're just plain baddie mcbadderson.

So you are saying that because nutella didn't ping you once it is impossible for others to be pinged by her behavior from an objective point of view (ie without taking into account her meta) ?
You are also saying that because you have been pinged by me, everybody else has to have been pinged by me?

I don't get you.

@ SVS: BRs vote for nutella pinged me, mostly because I was assuming she would vote me based on earlier comments. It's in her favor that she broke the tie in my favor though, so I'm willing to cut her some slack for that.

Could the people who keep missing votes please try and bother to show up?

Dana wrote:It's not that I wanted to force a tie in the end, I just figured if they are equally suspicious to me (which isn't even all that suspicious in general, just more than the rest of everyone), then I will let the fates decide. Or other people who vote after me. I am equally as okay with lynching either of them. If Nutella had 3 votes and typhoony had 4 at the time of my voting then I would have voted for Nutella, but it didn't work out that way.

This is NOT the right way to think about it.

Creating ties generally favors baddies as they are more informed than the rest of us. You are giving them a potential out to easily save their teammate.
So if we look at yesterday's poll, nutella was bad. If her teammate wanted to save her, you gave them an easy way to do so by tying it up. Would've been better to vote nutella there and try and make sure a tie would not happen.

DFaraday wrote:I had to work both jobs back to back, hence my missing today.

The Typh votes don't sit well with me. If I'd been here, I'd likely have voted Nutella.

What happened to your "I have the LC voters top of my list right now"? I voted LC that day.

Probably because you're a nub and the the people who voted nutella aren't.

Was that the post you were going to make sprityo?

Voted nutella.

a2thezebra wrote:

Typhoony wrote:So what you're saying is that my actions are actually not indicative of being a baddie, yet you voted for me anyway.

Makes sense.

Don't play dumb, you know what I mean.

You're telling me that because there wouldn't be a point to spreading the votes out even thinner, your vote and subsequent vote post therefore isn't suspicious and shady? That's your defense?

Don't play dumb, you know what I mean.

I am saying that "I did not want to spread the vote out any further" is not a valid reason to find my vote suspicious. That does not mean that you can not find other reasons to find my vote suspicious, you just haven't produced any. So my actions are not indicative of me being bad. If you can find something that is indicative of me being bad, I'd love to hear it from you. Good luck.

So what you're saying is that my actions are actually not indicative of being a baddie, yet you voted for me anyway.

Makes sense.

What is your opinion on nutella SVS?
I know you have a really hard time reading her normally, but I'd still like to know

a2thezebra wrote:

Typhoony wrote:

a2thezebra wrote: Typhoony voted for Boulders right before Eke's and gave pretty much the same reasoning, with the added scummy bonus of mentioning that he's partially voting for Boulders because his two ideal choices aren't getting any traction.

Why is this an added scummy bonus?

To me, you mentioning that your Boulders vote is partially because your ideal choices weren't getting any traction comes across as disingenuous because the votes were already spread so thin that it didn't matter.

Typhoony

What would be the point in spreading it out even thinner?

You're being a nub

I would love to respond to why you find me suspicious, but I have no idea what you are saying

Fair enough.

Don't bother too much. LC made the damn thing and he says that it's basically impossible.

I'm assuming they are using this insanitygenerator?

http://www.mikesteffler.com/InsanityGenerator.html

Who is this Typhony you are speaking of?

Long Con wrote: Six hours later and you didn't vote for nutella. Since when do you need other people to vote before you do?

I'm sorry. I forgot that we don't want any discussion before we place our votes.

Enrique... Some questions:

- Were there any missing PMs Night 1?
- Were there any missing PMs Night 2?
- Was the D2 lynch a tie?
- How do you decide ties?
- If an unlynchable player is up for lynching, will nobody be lynched or will the next person in line when it comes to votes be lynched?

Black Rock wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Voted Boulders. Nutella/lc don't have any votes, so voting him because he only seems interested in filling the thread with nonsense.

I am voting for Typhoony, this post/vote doesn't sit right with me.

How rude of you to vote me in the first game we play in years. What about it doesn't sit right with you?

a2thezebra wrote: Typhoony voted for Boulders right before Eke's and gave pretty much the same reasoning, with the added scummy bonus of mentioning that he's partially voting for Boulders because his two ideal choices aren't getting any traction.

Why is this an added scummy bonus?

I would really like to vote nutella today. This is not her civ game. Take a look at the Lost Heist game she played and compare it with this one. She puts a lot more thoughts into her posts in this game, doesn't throw out random stuff that could be seen as suspicious and seems much more organized, so to speak.

Who's with me?

Voted Boulders. Nutella/lc don't have any votes, so voting him because he only seems interested in filling the thread with nonsense.

Ok, so do Boulders/guylover/ekeknat all know each other irl? Gimme the context here, I want to understand what the hell is going on

Nub Scotty

I'm more suspicious of LC than of Scotty, so I'm voting LC